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[Ghost Rider]

I forgot to say as well.....talked to them yesterday....they should have their product available for the 2011's within 3 or 4 weeks roughly 

That's the funniest thing I have read on this site all week!   

[guppytrash]

Don't feel bad Ed I did the same thing with the Tmax/autotune.  I bought it a week before the Rev Perf EMS came out.  You will be glad you canceled the SERT and even if you need to wait for the EMS it sounds like it is worth it.  If you want to try the Tmax it does work great but I will eventually buy the EMS when I get tired of playing with this.

[MrEd]

That's the funniest thing I have read on this site all week!   

Well....i guess I don't know the history of the device for the 2011's, or rather the delays, and I can understand the frustration from those who have been waiting.  It makes no difference to me really as I'm sold enough from what I've read that that's the way I'm going.  I am intrigued by the option of an earlier year ECM if for no other reason than keeping my original stock and untouched in case warranty work might become an issue in the future.  Was also wondering, is each model year unique unto itself ?  In other words, does the EMS for an 09 work on a 10 or are they all different for each year.  Reason I ask is I'm first on a list for a black 2012 SG and very well might trade my 11 for one.  If this becomes reality, is there a possibility that the one for the 2011 would work on the 2012 as well ?  Assuming of course that it does become available and I buy it before the dealer gets the 2012 SG in.

[MrEd]

If you can stumble in to an -08 or an -08A ECM on eBay or elsewhere there might be some at last initial benefit to doing the EMS package with that rather than the 2011 ECM.

Is there a down side to doing this Twolanerider ?....I mean....will it function in all other aspects the same as the stock one that came on the 2011 ?.  The reason I ask is I'm ignorant to all the inner workings of the ECM and it makes me wonder why they're different to begin with then.

[Twolanerider]

Is there a down side to doing this Twolanerider ?....I mean....will it function in all other aspects the same as the stock one that came on the 2011 ?.  The reason I ask is I'm ignorant to all the inner workings of the ECM and it makes me wonder why they're different to begin with then.

None at all that I'm aware.  The ECM controls the same things in the same ways with the same effectiveness.  It just doesn't have the more heavily encrypted 2011 version of the control software blocking the proverbial door to make it more difficult to be written to.  The modules themselves are physically the same.  Difference is the software.

[Twolanerider]

 it makes me wonder why they're different to begin with then.

It is Mother Harley's way of making it more difficult for the aftermarket to participate in the market.  The more resources an aftermarket vendor has to put out to work with a system the less of them there will be that can afford to do it.  It's just Mother Harley trying to isolate the market.  It will also get worse and worse from the aftermarket's, and by connection, the consumer's point of view.

[Steve Cole]

Well....i guess I don't know the history of the device for the 2011's, or rather the delays, and I can understand the frustration from those who have been waiting.  It makes no difference to me really as I'm sold enough from what I've read that that's the way I'm going.  I am intrigued by the option of an earlier year ECM if for no other reason than keeping my original stock and untouched in case warranty work might become an issue in the future.  Was also wondering, is each model year unique unto itself ?  In other words, does the EMS for an 09 work on a 10 or are they all different for each year.  Reason I ask is I'm first on a list for a black 2012 SG and very well might trade my 11 for one.  If this becomes reality, is there a possibility that the one for the 2011 would work on the 2012 as well ?  Assuming of course that it does become available and I buy it before the dealer gets the 2012 SG in.

Just to set the record straight around this here is what is happening. The 2010 - 2012 Big Twin Touring models all can use the same software and hardware. When HD does an update it replaces the old part number and it is used for all these models. The hardware (ECM) in this case works in 2008 - 2012 Big Twin Touring models, 2008 - 2009 use one software package and the 2010 and up use another. HD changes how you gain access to the ECM every few years and this is nothing new as most all the OEM's do this. So all the BS about what's going on is just that. Does it make much sense to anyone to produce an old part when the new one will be a drop in replacement? Why make two different versions when it's not needed and would cost HD and you more money! The -08B ECM just uses the new way to access the ECM and it would appear that Rev has not figured out how to do it yet. The software that runs the bike is the same so once they figure out how to work with the 2011 stuff they will just drop the same software into it. If you use a -08, -08A or the new -08B ECM they all get the same software in them as I said before..

[Mr_Ed]

I get it....kinda like DRM in the music and video industry.  So just one more question, I don't want to go find the post that spoke about it to quote it but, the "linking" ? I think it said of a different ECM to a particular bike, that has to be done by a dealer if I recall ?  Is that kind of a touchy thing to have done as far as their willingness, or is doing something like that no big deal ?

[SBB]

The -08B ECM just uses the new way to access the ECM and it would appear that Rev has not figured out how to do it yet. The software that runs the bike is the same so once they figure out how to work with the 2011 stuff they will just drop the same software into it. If you use a -08, -08A or the new -08B ECM they all get the same software in them as I said before..

Steve

If someone takes a 2011 Screamin Eagle with a -08 or -08A ECM in to a dealer for diagnostic purposes (for whatever reason) can the dealer tell that the -08B has been replaced with the earlier unit? If a dealer can tell that then I can see dealers using that as an excuse to refuse warranty work. Please tell us the swap isn't evident.
I considered the RevPerf EMS for my 2011.5 SEUC but got tired of being "two weeked" and went with your TTS Master Tune from Jim hd-dude and he had Bob at RC Cycles tune it. I am very pleased with the results but always wondered if my above question would be a concern for those that swapped to the earlier ECM.

Thanks
SBB

[Steve Cole]

I get it....kinda like DRM in the music and video industry.  So just one more question, I don't want to go find the post that spoke about it to quote it but, the "linking" ? I think it said of a different ECM to a particular bike, that has to be done by a dealer if I recall ?  Is that kind of a touchy thing to have done as far as their willingness, or is doing something like that no big deal ?

If your bike has a TSSM which means it has HD security system it needs to be linked between the TSSM and the ECM. This feature can be turn off within the ECM code so that you do not have to do it but that disables most of the HD security system on the bike. When the ECM gets the signal to start the bike if it has the full HD system in place, the starter does not work and the ECM will shut down if not linked to the TSSM. If this feature is turned off in the ECM the bike can be hot wired at the starter and ridden off. The way to get around the linking would be to go to a dealer with the second ECM in hand and pay them to use DT to program it and link it to your bike. Then you can send it off to be programmed if you like.

Steve

If someone takes a 2011 Screamin Eagle with a -08 or -08A ECM in to a dealer for diagnostic purposes (for whatever reason) can the dealer tell that the -08B has been replaced with the earlier unit? If a dealer can tell that then I can see dealers using that as an excuse to refuse warranty work. Please tell us the swap isn't evident.
I considered the RevPerf EMS for my 2011.5 SEUC but got tired of being "two weeked" and went with your TTS Master Tune from Jim hd-dude and he had Bob at RC Cycles tune it. I am very pleased with the results but always wondered if my above question would be a concern for those that swapped to the earlier ECM.

Thanks
SBB

Short answer is YES they can. The DT machine gives the tech the part number of the ECM as part of the standard diagnostics along with everything else. The truth is I am not sure that any of them pay attention to it but you are correct in that HD could if they want to. The bigger thing that they would see with this conversion is the O2 sensor change and the addition of the control unit for the new sensors. The 2010 and later Touring models use a 12mm sensor and the REV unit uses the 18mm sensors so I think the new sensors, sensor control box and welded bungs in the exhaust would be a bigger give away something was changed for warranty work, than the ECM part number. For the 2012 model year all models except the XL have gone to the new smaller 12mm sensors.

[Mr_Ed]

The greatest part of this forum to me.....BY FAR....is the solid people who are it's members....not going to name you guys because I know I'd miss a few....hopefully you know who you are....I've PM'd with a few of you....learned from a lot of you....and would love to one day knock a beer back with all of you.   

[Twolanerider]

There you go Ed.  Independent confirmation from someone that knows for sure and is even a competitor to the EMS product.  The -08 or -08A version will do everything for your 2011 bike that the 2011 variant would do.  So you can feel even more comfortable moving forward should you choose to do so.  Once again thanks to Steve for the inciteful support.

[Mr_Ed]

Thanks Twolanerider....appreciate the time from you and others.  That's the way I'm going to go.  I know if I was close to a "Doc or a Bob" as a tuner I would have already had the TTS Mastertune, and based on everything I've read countless times on this forum I would be very well pleased.  My issue truly comes down to a situation pointed out as an advantage with the EMS, I don't have a tuner anywhere near me that would do Steve Cole's product any justice.  I can use the Rev Performance product and end up with a bike running at least close to as good as one tuned by one of the masters.  Even if it fails after a couple years I'm fine with that, I would rather go that route than spend that much and more chasing a decent tune from those that are in my area.  It's just simple math really.  Thanks for weighing in and further explaining things Steve, especially in light of the fact that the EMS device is a direct competitor to yours, says something about your character friend.   

[Tnbrit]

Guys,can i tag a question on to this thread,i've been following the thread from the start,although i dont own a CVO :(i do have an 11'FDXF,which i am going to change the exhaust sytem to a 2-1 Samson Powerflo 2,& fit a an S.E.filter(because it runs as hot as hell)which my dealer informs me is mainly due to the restrictive(cat)exhaust system.
I then want to add a tuner & because of time constraints the RevPerf looks perfect for me.
Now to get to my question (at last).Do i need to source an 08A ECM for the 11'FXDF ?,(this thread seems to be centered around Tourers).
Can I also agree with Ed,Steve your unbiased input on a thread about a competitors product is outstanding.
Thanks,Graham.

[Twolanerider]

Guys,can i tag a question on to this thread,i've been following the thread from the start,although i dont own a CVO :(i do have an 11'FDXF,which i am going to change the exhaust sytem to a 2-1 Samson Powerflo 2,& fit a an S.E.filter(because it runs as hot as hell)which my dealer informs me is mainly due to the restrictive(cat)exhaust system.
I then want to add a tuner & because of time constraints the RevPerf looks perfect for me.
Now to get to my question (at last).Do i need to source an 08A ECM for the 11'FXDF ?,(this thread seems to be centered around Tourers).
Can I also agree with Ed,Steve your unbiased input on a thread about a competitors product is outstanding.
Thanks,Graham.

Graham, once again specifics about what can and can't be done with the package are of course best put to the vendor/manufacturer.  Revolution Performance has never been difficult to speak with or get information out of in the times I've spoken with them.  In fact they're quite friendly.

Having said that, it is my understanding that the 2011 issues involve the entire year model and not just any one model line.  An email address I've got for Andrew at their shop is andrew@mt-llc.com .  Drop him a note with any questions you might have.