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Re: MOCO needs to take notice
« Reply #75 on: May 11, 2006, 10:59:58 PM »

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Its nice to have a kick ass muscle car from the 60s and a Lexus if you have the means. But we all cannot deny that if you have both cars to choose from to go across country your not going to leave the lexus at home!

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Re: MOCO needs to take notice
« Reply #76 on: May 11, 2006, 11:07:50 PM »

I hear you man, the GL 1800 is the way to go in the real world of comfortably racking up the miles two up. The power is already there and there is no fiddling to be done to get it. Shaft drive, integrated baggage lots of room,the list goes on. You can park anywhere over night and not have to worry about some ner'do well messing with your ride. Did I mention that you can tow most stock Harley's faster with it than they can excellerate? When we go on a bike vacation, the SEEG stays home and we take the Goldwing. That being said, I still cannot get enough of H-D touring bikes! Boy am I stupid... Take care.
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Re: MOCO needs to take notice
« Reply #77 on: May 12, 2006, 09:20:27 AM »

Scott you make some real valid points.I guess some of us that call ourselves"purists" are just a little behind the times in the sense that we overpay for a supposed inferior bike. i guess when you look back thru the years of the biker culture that is what some of us strive for in our desire and love for our HD's even though there may be a more powerful,more comfortable metric we could ride for much less. I guess in my circle of friends we must be a dying breed we all are 30 somethings and bleed orange and black. So call me what you will but for me and only speaking for me I will only ride HD. With all the horror stories of the paint issues,chrome peeling and asshole salesman I still stand behind my bike. But I will admit Scott you make a great arguement for the MOCO to wake up before its too late.And you still have and love your HD so you kinda know where I'm coming from. Later,Q
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Re: MOCO needs to take notice
« Reply #78 on: May 12, 2006, 09:31:57 AM »

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With all the horror stories of the paint issues,chrome peeling and asshole salesman I still stand behind my bike.

Heck BD, we all do that.  Me, I did it even before Harleys, with British cars and British bikes.  Talk about hard to love, but I did.  Now it's Harleys.  
I just don't get it. [smiley=nixweiss.gif]

Got to go now.  Got leaky rocker boxes to fix. ;D
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Re: MOCO needs to take notice
« Reply #79 on: May 12, 2006, 09:42:22 AM »

I wasn't inferring that we all don't stand behind our bikes,hell we wouldn't be on this site if we didn't.And on another note the Fatboy I had , had leaks in the front right and rear left rocker boxes on the Evo. Rumor had that 1 in 10 had leaks from the moco due to the gaskets being so small,narrow you know what I mean. Later Red,Q
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« Reply #80 on: May 12, 2006, 09:50:35 AM »

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the Fatboy I had , had leaks in the front right and rear left rocker boxes on the Evo. Rumor had that 1 in 10 had leaks from the moco due to the gaskets being so small,narrow you know what I mean. Later Red,Q

I've decided that Evo rocker boxes are a crapshoot.  I can put a set of gaskets in and they may stay dry for a year or a month.  Looking at the parts involved, frankly it's a very poor design, and it could easily have been improved to near perfection.  But, I guess the MoCo saw no need.

Aftermarket rocker boxes are much better, but pricey.
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Re: MOCO needs to take notice
« Reply #81 on: May 12, 2006, 10:22:46 AM »

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Here's what I would say if Willie G were sitting in front of me

" Hey Willie, what up dude ? Listen, if you've got a minute, I'd like to talk to you. I've been riding motorcycles for 40 years and have owned only Harley-Davidsons for the past 25. I love your bikes and couldn't picture owning anything else. Hell, I've built my life around my love for your product. So I hope you understand where I'm coming from when I tell you I think the MoCo is taking advantage of me and everyone else like me. Prices are up, quality is down. The competition is gnawing at your heels and you seem oblivious to it. While I can buy a metric bike set up the way I want at delivery and not have to buy the same parts twice, you still expect me to buy your product the way you want to sell it to me and then spend more money setting it up to my own wants and needs. Your accountants and shareholders may like things that way, but I can tell you your customers don't. Increasinly your dealerships are owned by bottom line businessmen who do not understand or appreciate their customer base. I do not believe the MoCo can survive on the goodwill of it's hardcore customer base and your current business model does not seem to be attracting a new and younger customer. My advice is to pay attention to websites such as FLHRSEI.org instead of coming down on them with a ton of lawyers. We all love what we do and we love Harley-Davidson motorcycles, but we are feeling neglected and used of late. Thanks a lot for your time Willie and would you autograph the rear fender of Elvis here ? "


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Re: MOCO needs to take notice
« Reply #82 on: May 12, 2006, 10:32:36 AM »

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While I can buy a metric bike set up the way I want at delivery and not have to buy the same parts twice, you still expect me to buy your product the way you want to sell it to me and then spend more money setting it up to my own wants and needs. Your accountants and shareholders may like things that way, but I can tell you your customers don't.

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...your current business model does not seem to be attracting a new and younger customer.

About the first part--they do expect us to do all that...and we do.  Accountants and shareholdeers are who Willie must please, they're not as easy as us customers--they actually demand performance and are in a position to do so.  Ironically, we ultimately provide that performance.

About the second part--this is THE question for HD.  Willie will be gone by then (actively, although he'll still be signing autographs) but HD will likely be a different company in the next ten years or so.
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Re: MOCO needs to take notice
« Reply #83 on: May 13, 2006, 10:45:38 PM »

Man, you all have some great points. I just wanted to vent but I think I stirred up a real big pot of attitudes.  You never know, good things may come from all this.
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Re: MOCO needs to take notice
« Reply #84 on: May 14, 2006, 12:11:14 AM »

I just got back from an eventful week-end at the Race track, (started 15th, came in 9th), and feeling all full of myself, and I have the displeasure of readin' all this bull chit.
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« Reply #85 on: May 14, 2006, 09:58:10 AM »

[highlight]To put it bluntly, if you ain't ridin' a Harley, you ain't ridin' a Motorsickle!  There endeth the lesson.  Later--HUBBARD[/highlight]
Well Hubbard I agree with you totally .In my response I was just trying to be politically correct. Didn't want to ruffle any feathers if you know what I mean.I've been in enough trouble.Be good Hubs.Later,Q        
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« Reply #86 on: May 14, 2006, 10:32:08 AM »

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Re: MOCO needs to take notice
« Reply #87 on: May 14, 2006, 12:09:26 PM »

My love of my scoot, will cause me to defend the MoCo every time! This is actually false statements to others as they are bashing the HD vs the cheaper Japaneese bikes, but then I watch as these motorcycles seem to go into deterioration at about 25K miles! I have 35K on my bike; have added many engine components to improve the HP and torque beyond my (high) expoectations; and have  a near bullet-proof high horsepower long distance scoot. I have the performance for "around town" and the road banter I constantly fall into (I'll race anything!) for my daily escapades. The thing I protest the most about is this: The new owner (1st timer) will undoubtly believe the hype that the dealer, and the MoCo propaganda is all about. "Keep your Harley all Harley". This is a bunch of BS, but still has an astounding amount of influence on this newbie. I fell pray to this, when I bought my first doll. It was an '02 Nightrain (sfttail {Paul} ). I spent a fortune having "my dealer" do all the work and upgrades to that bike. They did so many stupid things, that I started questioning their actual ability. I had my bike delivered to me after routine service and a tire change. It appears that the technician never tightened the hold down bolts on my front axle, and as I drove away (I mean rode), I felt a bit of vibration and experienced a wobble that scarred the $hit out of me as I accelerated onto the highway. Immediately pulling over, I discovered the problem, but had to get the m/c back to the dealer a mere 5 miles away. Bring it in, I was told that they'd put my bike on their "schedule", and that I would need to come back in three days after they'd fix it. The whole thing was put on me, as they proclaimed that I must have loosened this. Yep, thats me. Old eveil kneevil I am. I love to loosen things, and then go riding for that special thrill that'll happen when you do this. I had another visit where they didn't tighten the oil filter. I had them change the oil because I believed that they were the only ones who could do so, and keep my warranty. I got on the highway (again) only to see plums of smoke develope, as the oil sprayed out from the base of the filter, and was carried consistantly, all over me, the engine, and basically 90% of the frame. It took three complete details to get all the remnants of that oil. I complained again to the owner of the dealership (San Jose H-D) and was assured that the problem was a defective filter. (Defective my butt!). The technician was deffective. Too much weed before work I say. Anyway, I took my complaints to H-D corporate, as I feel them responsible for the fact that this newbie had "his Dealer" do all the work. I had also gone through three tensioneers. The MoCo sent some rep out to check out my bike. He rode it for several hours, bring back a "clean bill of health"; that there was nothing wrong with the bike. Within 50 miles after this "ecxpert" rode my bike. The fourth tensioneer disintrigated! Boy, I believe that an "expert" should have felt that; I did. Anyway again, I couldn't believe the MoCo attitude. I was told that this particular dealer was indeed questionable in H-D's eyes (I have a friend who went to High School with Willie-G, so I had a corporate "inroad") ,and that they were considering a franchise change. Had I known this before the fact, I probably would have done things much differently.
I would love to work on my bike, but have difficulty as I am physically handicapped (mentally too), and cannot stand or bend for many hours necessary to work on her. I do do a lot of things (not Do-Do), but the harder, more technical stuff I leave to professionals. I actually spent last summer doing the fairing installation on my FLHRSEI2, along with all the goodies I installed, kept me busy post-operative from a total knee replacement (that went South also, but it is NOT a topic for this thread) so I have all sorts of capabilities. I just am complaining about the fact that the MoCo makes the owner believe that only a H-D can perform any form of service to the bike, or else you'll void the warranty. This puts the MoCo culpable when something happens, as they are the ones who steered the owner into the dealer trap. Then they wash their hands of any responsibiulity, as the dealers are "independent" of the MoCo. Just my opinion. I wouldn't buy a rag from San Jose Harley Davidson, and the reader should be aware. I have about 10 or 11 MORE stories about this dealer. The problem is that I kept going back for more, but in my defense, I had no choice, as the next nearest dealer is another 30 miles away, and you know the hassels it is to get a ride to/from the dealer...
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Re: MOCO needs to take notice
« Reply #88 on: May 14, 2006, 01:49:53 PM »

My end of MA. is getting drowned by rain. So killing time here reading posts. This is a good thread shows a lot of passion. Brand loyalty. This is something I can't say I have.Today it's HD next year who knows? Like a lot of people here I had a lot of fun bikes, Triumph,BSA,Norton,Honda,and BMW all fun none perfect. The bike scene is getting good best it's ever been IMHO. Anything that you want is out there. I paid 30k for a CVO that's a wad of dough for something I can only ride once and while. But 30k is just the "entry" level price for some of the beautiful customs you can build or have built they are NOT Harleys and people that own them would be the first to remind of that.There is value in having  HD's huge dealer network when your touring. Once and a while you can get lucky and find "repair parts" at a local hardware store but usually there is a dealer near by. The Moco doesn't ask me what to build they just take their best guess and sell them all.There are some of us "grateful" to be buying at MSRP which is  just plain sick. The MOCO has competition out there I hope they do focus on us the customers.
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« Reply #89 on: May 14, 2006, 08:58:55 PM »

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