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[ralford]

Recently got a '10 SE Ultra Classic with the 110" engine.  Of course, next step is to upgrade the engine to what it should have been from the factory ...  Been learning a lot from the site (Thanks!) and am getting ready to pull the trigger - would like to avoid shooting my foot of

I suspect the TTS Mastertune and the SEST are closely related.  Have been told (by HD dealer) that the TTS is a previous version of the SE tuner, with the SEST the newer upgrade; probably simply new software is true. 

The TTS appeals a lot because of the available downloadable tunes from several respected sites.  Not as optimum as a proper dyno tune, but certainly in the ball park.  Dyno tunes in Tulsa appear to run between $360-$550 and I can't see do that as a routine process as I add parts...

On the other hand, the HD dealers (respectable tuning here) may or may not be able to tune with the TTS???

Q: Are there downloadable tunes for the SE Super Tuner available?  Can the TTS tunes be used on the SE Supertuner?

Q: How are the two units related, if all?


Thanks!

Rusty

[Keats]

In the end,

These tuners are only as good as the personnel setting them up on a Dyno.

I have had little luck in that dept.

There are good tuners around, just not very convenient to me.

I am done letting a HD dealer tune my bike,  Did I say DONE?

might want to look at auto tune options, just a thought

[ralford]

Certainly agree with your observation and understand your feelings.  Both have some sort of "auto-tune" facility, but the limited range of feedback adjustment appears to require a decent MAP to get within adjustment range.

One comment, I keep seeing $30-50 dyno runs.  Now for a "run" I can see that, for a tune much more time must be required unless they just upload a MAP...

Cheers,
Rusty

[Keats]

Each tune / dyno run was billed 6 - 8 hours

SERT WITH dyno time cost just under $900.00

SEPST WITH dyno time cost me just over $1000.00

"Dyno runs" for $50.00 has nothing to do with tuning, just a piece of paper that one can brag about to your Buddies.

Those little pieces of paper have never won a race.

and I am convinced that most of those are fudged to give you what you want to hear.

[Steve Cole]

Q: Are there downloadable tunes for the SE Super Tuner available?  Can the TTS tunes be used on the SE Supertuner?

Q: How are the two units related, if all?


Thanks!

Rusty

TTS tunes cannot be used with the SE Supertuner.

TTS supplied HD with our tuner from 2001 - 2007 as the SERT. It was a private label arangement between the companies. In 2007 we found out HD was having our product copied which broke the contract and we walked out. We were then able to put back some of the items we had removed for HD and also added other features that we had want to and customers had been asking for. Anyone who can tune with the SERT or Supertuner can tune with a TTS System.

[ralford]

Thanks for the direct answer, Steve.  Seems like there isn't much motivation to use the SERT, understandably, HD favors it...  Somehow I suspect you have more personal reputation invested in the product and the reputation and vast availability of information and base tunes easily tips the balance in the TTS favor...

Cheers,

Rusty

[strokerjlk]

The TTS appeals a lot because of the available downloadable tunes from several respected sites.  Not as optimum as a proper dyno tune, but certainly in the ball park

Are there downloadable tunes for the SE Super Tuner available?

both have a canned map for a cvo, neither will be in the ball park. both need tuned to reach optimal performance. you can achieve the the same quality tune with either device. so use the one the tuner is comfortable with.
FWIW just talking WOT hp/tq numbers here a canned SESPT or tts CVO map will usually net 80-82 hp 100-102 tq.
a tuned 110 CVO stage 1  SESPT or tts will net 95/115 no problem.
then there is drivablility, a canned map you can get around on,but tuned will be so much smoother.

[beechflyr]

I'll tell ya, fullsac stage 1 with the canned TTS may not be necessarily
perfect but it seems  to be really close.

[mjb765]

both have a canned map for a cvo, neither will be in the ball park. both need tuned to reach optimal performance. you can achieve the the same quality tune with either device. so use the one the tuner is comfortable with.
FWIW just talking WOT hp/tq numbers here a canned SESPT or tts CVO map will usually net 80-82 hp 100-102 tq.
a tuned 110 CVO stage 1  SESPT or tts will net 95/115 no problem.
then there is drivablility, a canned map you can get around on,but tuned will be so much smoother.

On my 2010 SESG, my experience when I purchased my TTS from Fullsac was the opposite.....the map Steve sent me was so close it just about didn't pay for me to have it dyno tuned.

[SBB]

On my 2010 SESG, my experience when I purchased my TTS from Fullsac was the opposite.....the map Steve sent me was so close it just about didn't pay for me to have it dyno tuned.

How do you know that?
Did you have it tuned to compare?

 

SBB

[mjb765]

How do you know that?
Did you have it tuned to compare?

 

SBB

Had it dyno'ed and it was so close the tuner said he wouldn't even bother spending the extra cash for the last 1%. I don't have the printout anymore(it was 2 years ago), but AFR was nice and flat all the way across and right where it should be. HP and TRQ was good for a bike with only exhaust and a tuner. I remember being surprised and amazed that it was that good without doing any tweaking.

[strokerjlk]

Had it dyno'ed and it was so close the tuner said he wouldn't even bother spending the extra cash for the last 1%. I don't have the printout anymore(it was 2 years ago), but AFR was nice and flat all the way across and right where it should be. HP and TRQ was good for a bike with only exhaust and a tuner. I remember being surprised and amazed that it was that good without doing any tweaking.

so the WOT was close is all that tells you.


anyway I in no way meant my comment against Steve or fullsac. it is possible that a map from a tuned bike will be close enough to run on another bike with the same components.
could it be better?  most times.
my comment was in reference to purchasing a tuning device and loading a canned my from there software.
one with some real work devolopment for a particular combination should be fine . but there COULD be room for improvement

[mjb765]

so the WOT was close is all that tells you.


anyway I in no way meant my comment against Steve or fullsac. it is possible that a map from a tuned bike will be close enough to run on another bike with the same components.
could it be better?  most times.
my comment was in reference to purchasing a tuning device and loading a canned my from there software.
one with some real work devolopment for a particular combination should be fine . but there COULD be room for improvement

room for improvement--yes. Improvement that you would feel in the seat of your pants--I doubt it. You would see it on a dyno printout, but that was not my first priority.

[cvobiker]

It is interesting enough to note, the new Revolution Performance EMS is hitting the marks dead on compared to $500 dyno tunes.. Not a bias opinion, A simple google search on Revolution Performance EMS reviews is the tale tale here.. 

[strokerjlk]

It is interesting enough to note, the new Revolution Performance EMS is hitting the marks dead on compared to $500 dyno tunes.. Not a bias opinion, A simple google search on Revolution Performance EMS reviews is the tale tale here.. 

thought this was a tts vs SE pro super tuner thread
ohh well since you brought it up.
it seems about 50/50 from what I see. haven't googled it though. just feed back from users. I have had three calls from guys wanting to go back to stock ECM and re-flash tune.
the crew at REV Performance are doing a hell of a job trying to rectify the issues some have had. flying in and making changes and such. got to hand it to them there. but when you design a system only you can adj. you have to be able to service that product if it isnt performing. there are a lot of happy users,but there are also some that cant seem to get it right.
hope it works out for them. competition is always a good thing for consumers!.