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[MJZ]

Since my SEEG was in the shop, I took the Mobil 1 by there yesterday afternoon and asked them if they would change the fluids using my supplied Mobil 1. They said sure, no problem and I'm sure they will charge me the standard and save the $50.00 for the not having to supply the Syn 3.
Wonder why your dealer would not jump on that.

[Midnight Rider]

Could be that they are dumb a$$es, know they're the only game in town, and not really interested in making the customer happy.  I would gladly have purchased my bike from them, and told them so, but not for 3K over MSRP. They don't seem to be complete a-holes, but have a "we don't care, we don't have to"

[ultrafxr]

I dunno.  I started running Syn3 in my '99 Ultra when it first came out.  I've run thru some might hot weather out west more than once.  Ran almost 5k before I could change on one trip.  I had no problems whatsoever & bike had 74k on it when I traded for CUSE last Sept.  I read the white paper posted above & I just don't see that much difference to warrant the hassle factor.  I ride long distances & if I need a fluid change on the road I don't want to have to hunt for oil.  For me & mine I'm sticking with Syn3.

[Fired00d]

ok so end result.  I know I need to change the oil.  And following the postings I think I even know what oil to put where.  But what did we decide on the feuling oil pump.  I am getting ready to do a cam change.  Do I need this?  How much is it?  Where do I get it?

For me when I made the decision it was based on the following.

1. I wasn't doing the install myself to take a look at the below listed items.

2. I had seen cam tensioners that looked like they had no wear to ones that looked like they had been thru a shredder.

3. Since I wasn't doing the install myself I couldn’t look at the above tensioners to see if I saw any signs of pieces/particles of tensioner’s compromising the oil pump.

4. It's a possibility I could have gotten away w/just using the bypass shim and increased the pressure/volume of the stock pump.

5. To me it just made more sense to have a better product installed while it was tore down, and save on labor down the road if I decided to do this at a later date.

If I was doing the install myself I may have waited until I got into the motor to look at the tensioners then decide. Doing that however will create more down time unless you can find the Feuling Oil Pump in stock at a shop/dealer. The best price that was found was at Wally's Cycle World at the time they were running a special on the pump, and lifters.

Bottom line is it's going to come to budget/personal preference. Sometimes peace of mind can get expensive, on the other hand if you are comfortable with not getting the oil pump your peace of mind will not be as expensive as mines was.

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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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[Midnight Rider]

Dood...no doubt about it, if/when I decide to do some engine mods, and have things apart anyway, the oil pump will get replaced, just for peace of mind, if for no other reason.  That way, you're never second guessing yourself, because you've got all new parts in there, so no worries.  Can't wait to see/hear your scoot in MV and talk about all this stuff...it's all going to be fun!!  I'm sure I'll come back with a revised wish list.... [smiley=nervous.gif]

[Ironhorse]

I'm don't wanna be a jerk here guys, but why is everyone jumping on the anti-Syn3 band wagon when we have not even had a chance to verify the shop and identify the technician who made the original claim? I am neither pro or anti Syn3. I am just looking to get information about the source of the statement before drawing my own conclusions.

It's just a logical fact finding process, but I feel like I am hitting a sore spot on this topic by asking this.

[ultrafxr]

I'm don't wanna be a jerk here guys, but why is everyone jumping on the anti-Syn3 band wagon when we have not even had a chance to verify the shop and identify the technician who made the original claim? I am neither pro or anti Syn3. I am just looking to get information about the source of the statement before drawing my own conclusions.

It's just a logical fact finding process, but I feel like I am hitting a sore spot on this topic by asking this.

Well said & I agree.  I'm certainly no petroleum engineer but I just did not see anything about Syn3 to get all worked up about in the oil test / comparison posted.  OCD is fine but this is getting really anal.  JMHO.

[Fired00d]

.....I'm sure I'll come back with a revised wish list.... [smiley=nervous.gif]

Hehehehe, now you know I wouldn't cause you to spend any of your money. You've been reading to many of Roger's posts. [smiley=huepfenlol2.gif]

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Fired00d
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[Midnight Rider]

Ironhorse...no problem asking the question, but nobody is going to put themselves out there, name and all, if they are a tech/manager for HD, saying that syn3 is crap, even if it's true.  The guy would probably not be working there long if he did.  

The information everyone is presenting here is not based on, nor is it a reaction to, what this one guy said...there are many threads on this site discussing oil and oil filters.  The fact of the matter is that syn3 is simply not as good a product as some of the others, backed up by data, not what somebody thinks or says...and by observation by some who have noticed a big difference in how their motors react to extreme temps or adverse conditions.

A lot of people will choose to continue using the HD product...I personally just want the best product I can use in a bike that I have over 35K invested in.  I have personal knowledge that Mobil 1 is a better product than syn3, so that is what I choose to use.  But, that's why they make chocolate and vanilla.  Never any hard feelings here about this sort of thing...just a discussion.  

[Fired00d]

I'm don't wanna be a jerk here guys, but why is everyone jumping on the anti-Syn3 band wagon when we have not even had a chance to verify the shop and identify the technician who made the original claim? I am neither pro or anti Syn3. I am just looking to get information about the source of the statement before drawing my own conclusions.

It's just a logical fact finding process, but I feel like I am hitting a sore spot on this topic by asking this.

I'm not anti Syn3, but I do think there are better products out there. I know some have changed to other brands of oils and running it in all three holes. For me it may be just old school/timers but I just can't grasp the idea of having the same fluid/oil in all three holes. I think I would feel much better using a fluid that is designed for a specific purpose. I'm still going to use a synthetic in all three holes, but I'm going to use one that is designed for each hole. I had decided that before this thread had ever been started, and was just waiting for next service to have it done.

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Fired00d
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[BobD]

This oil argument will go on eternally. Why? Because it's impossible to prove or disprove opinions whether based on preference or science. Over the years, we've all had our personal preferences in lubricants. I used to prefer Pennzoil products for my cars, trucks and motorcycles. I have a 1974 Honda in my garage that's never had anything but Pennzoil in it and it's 32 years old. Others preferred Quaker State or Mobil or Castroil. The list goes on. Why did we prefer them? Because someone we respected told us one was better than another. Did you ever hear of anyone loosing an engine because the used Shell oil? Of course not. Every oil is slightly unique due to proprietary additives. Is one better than another? You tell me.
A couple of years ago you guys would have been arguing against synthetic oil based on anti synthetic principals. Over time, you've softened a bit I hope. Is Syn3 the best product for our CVO's? You'll probably never know positively. Just follow your gut. If you feel it's best to run Wal-Mart brand oil, your CVO will probably do just fine.
Lastly, think about who has the most to loose if SYN3 is anything but satisfactory. It's the MOCO. They not only put their reputation, they're product and their customers on the line but they back it up with warranty - even extended warranty. That's called putting your money where your mouth is. Will Amsoil, Mobil 1 or any of the others warranty your engine?
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[MJZ]

I'm not anti Syn3, but I do think there are better products out there. I know some have changed to other brands of oils and running it in all three holes. For me it may be just old school/timers but I just can't grasp the idea of having the same fluid/oil in all three holes. I think I would feel much better using a fluid that is designed for a specific purpose. I'm still going to use a synthetic in all three holes, but I'm going to use one that is designed for each hole. I had decided that before this thread had ever been started, and was just waiting for next service to have it done.

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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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Well put d00d, wish I said that.

[Scooterhair]

OK,
  
      It seems to me the whole problem here " IS " - " dry starts ".

Well has anyone tried using Lucas oil stabilizer in their oil?

I've been using it for years in every thing I own and love it. NO dry starts. This stuff sticks to everything.

Done deal .

[RJ749]

I'm don't wanna be a jerk here guys, but why is everyone jumping on the anti-Syn3 band wagon when we have not even had a chance to verify the shop and identify the technician who made the original claim? I am neither pro or anti Syn3. I am just looking to get information about the source of the statement before drawing my own conclusions.
It's just a logical fact finding process, but I feel like I am hitting a sore spot on this topic by asking this.

No one here is forcing anyone to use something they do not want to or to switch from Syn3.

As for someone at a dealership mentioning that the Syn 3 was having an issue.  When I returned from CC I went into the HD dealer I deal with and told them of my gear noise when hot and bearing type noises and suspicion that it was the Syn3 not lubricating well.  The mgr told me he had heard through the grapevine (indicating tech line) theat there may be some issues along the lines I described.  So in my case I have the information I need to make a switch from Syn3.

Others will have to draw there own conclusions and as is stated elsewhere, there are may choices.  I also agree that the MoCo is at risk if there is an issue.  However, with a two year period of concern and the fact many bikes see less than a few thousand miles a year, I doubt they have much of a concern over Syn3 for most use.

At the end of the day, to each his own.   [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]

[RJ749]

Hehehehe, now you know I wouldn't cause you to spend any of your money. [highlight]You've been reading to many of Roger's posts[/highlight]. [smiley=huepfenlol2.gif]
 [smiley=pumpkin.gif]Ride Safe,Fired00d [smiley=fireman.gif]

And with good reason when it comes to the OCD  [smiley=devil.gif]