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[hdnik]

How bad would it be really to just use the HD/HK Head to drive the rears after the fader control Falsh has been done? The ultra overlay has 6wires in each side? or so I can see from some of instructions. Clearly I'm looking to use only two of them from each. I suppose once I see the harness harley supplies with the rear speaker kit I should be able to determine which ones.

Then I guess I will clip them out of the overlay and shorten the Hogtunes harness to suit. Am I heading in the right direction or should I try to use the head to drive the rears.

I'm getting a headache... You all must be too. Sorry gang.

[hdnik]

Updated above. Last entry as I'm sure Rich and Carl are sick of this by now.

[TIF2]

You can plug and play them if you want to drive them just off of the head unit.
The problem is that you won't be able to hear them much when combined with your HW stuff.

I'm not sure how you were able to install your HW stuff but are having difficulty with the rears. It isn't that much different. The non-Ultra overlay harness contains a "sub-harness" that consists of (2) DTM-06P connectors. One of them in this bundle is labled "Right Rear Speaker Controls" or something like that. The other connector is for the Left. The wire harness that is included in the H-D rear speaker kit will contain the same two DTM-06P connectors of opposite gender to extend these signals down the back-bone of the bike.

The connector that is labled "Right Rear Speaker (or whatever)" on the NUOH will contain 2 wires color coded as Logan/Brown and Green. The other connector will contain 2 wires color coded as White/Brown and Brown. These are (normally) the signals to the rear pod speakers and are used for the saddlebag speaker lid speakers. The polarity is as follows:

Logan/Brown ---> RR SPKR (-)
Green --------->  RR SPKR (+)

White/Brown ---> LR SPKR (-)
Brown ---------> LR SPKR (+)

Hope this helps .... if this is still confusing to you on how to wire in the HT 70.2 amp then you really should pay someone to install it for you.

[hdnik]

You can plug and play them if you want to drive them just off of the head unit.
The problem is that you won't be able to hear them much when combined with your HW stuff.

I'm not sure how you were able to install your HW stuff but are having difficulty with the rears. It isn't that much different. The non-Ultra overlay harness contains a "sub-harness" that consists of (2) DTM-06P connectors. One of them in this bundle is labled "Right Rear Speaker Controls" or something like that. The other connector is for the Left. The wire harness that is included in the H-D rear speaker kit will contain the same two DTM-06P connectors of opposite gender to extend these signals down the back-bone of the bike.

The connector that is labled "Right Rear Speaker (or whatever)" on the NUOH will contain 2 wires color coded as Logan/Brown and Green. The other connector will contain 2 wires color coded as White/Brown and Brown. These are (normally) the signals to the rear pod speakers and are used for the saddlebag speaker lid speakers. The polarity is as follows:

Logan/Brown ---> RR SPKR (-)
Green --------->  RR SPKR (+)

White/Brown ---> LR SPKR (-)
Brown ---------> LR SPKR (+)

Hope this helps .... if this is still confusing to you on how to wire in the HT 70.2 amp then you really should pay someone to install it for you.

Like Fredo Corleone said in GF2: "It ain't the way I wanted it! I can handle things! I'm smart! Not like everybody says... like dumb... I'm smart and I want respect!"

The HW Kit was the Direct Connect 2 Channel Set up. It came with a harness... nothing to it... even for me

Thank you for the help with polarity and colours. The HD instruction describes the colours but does not give a complete pin-out description.

My questions in the sketch below may not matter... but maybe... what is the importance of all the other wires. If I can get this clear in my head I'll be good to go!

BTW... I really do appreciate the help... so don't yell at me any more

[TIF2]

Who's yelling? If I were to yell at you about something ... trust me ... you'd know it  

I'm just saying that some people are comfortable in doing this kind of work and some are not. No harm in it either way, and for those that are not fully at ease with this stuff it is good advice when someone suggests to find an installer that is. For me? I know what I can do ... and what I'm willing to do. For example - I know how to hang and finish drywall. However, if we were to do a large remodel project that required pallets of dyrwall to be delivered and hung (like finishing our basement) - just pay the man 'cause it is NOT worth it to me for that much work  

Moral of this story is even when I am comfortable doing the work, there are times that it still make sense for me to pay an installer.

Anyway ... back to your questions.
The "extension" harness that is included with the rear saddlebag lid speaker is the same harness that is included when adding rear speaker pods to a tour pak. I'm calling the "extension" harness the harness that runs from the fairing down the back-bone. Because it is the same harness, there are additional wires (4 per connector) that used for the controls that are present in the rear pods (headset vol, track up/dn, etc) They are not used in the rear sadllebag lid speaker install.

In the NUOH harness, you can cut, de-pin, re-terminate with additional connectors, etc the 4 wires you need for input and output of the 70.2 amp. Whatever method you like. Makes no difference if the connectors themselves are mated as the additional wires are used for rear speaker pod controls (see above). You could, of course, build an interface harness that would route the speaker signals through the 70.2 amp and would plug in to each side of the mating connectors you already have. The bottom line is you need to route the rear speaker signals from the NUOH harness to the input side of the 70.2, and the output signals [from[/i] the 70.2 amp to the extension harness running down the back-bone (just as you have it drawn out). The minutia of how you accomplish it is up to you.

Not sure about your reference to "3 wires per speaker". I don't recall seeing that but if there is such a reference, it is a mistake.

Hope this helps ...

[hdnik]

Thank you so much Rich. That's what I needed to know. I can sleep easier now knowing those other wires aren't important to me.

I hope you didn't think I was serious. That's the problem with typing... You can't hear the inflection. If I was able to convey my concerns through a keyboard better, this thread wouldn't be 3 pages long. But I know what you mean. Believe me if I didn't think I could tackle something I'd pay someone... Do it all the time. I just really like to understand before I jump in... You know... Picture the whole thing in my head.

Were it not for guys like you with your knowledge, no way. This is a great site with some super talented members... In almost every aspect.

Hats off to you Mister... Thank you again,

Nick

[TIF2]

Cheers Nick.

Let us know if you pull the trigger and move forward.
I'm VERY interested in how the combo of adding the HT 70.2 and the OEM 2-ohm H-D lid speakers works out.

Rich

[hdnik]

I will order the stuff today I hope. All my prices should be in. Kent at Gunslingers has been great to deal with. His lead time is a bit long but I think it'll be worth the wait.

Will take pics and put together a thread on the process. That'll be fun too!

Thanks Again

[hdnik]

Cheers Nick.

Let us know if you pull the trigger and move forward.
I'm VERY interested in how the combo of adding the HT 70.2 and the OEM 2-ohm H-D lid speakers works out.

Rich

Everything ordered as discussed. Will let you know once all the parts have arrived. May be a while on the lids as they will be done at Gunslinger. (Kent is a super guy).

Rich, I was considering also replacing the 4ohm HW 5.25 speakers with 6.5s. Given the amp I have for the fronts, are there a pair you'd recommend. I have been looking at the zx HW ones and the Titan II upgrade at biketronics. Those are HATs I think, but not sure.

Thoughts?

[TIF2]

Rich, I was considering also replacing the 4ohm HW 5.25 speakers with 6.5s. Given the amp I have for the fronts, are there a pair you'd recommend. I have been looking at the zx HW ones and the Titan II upgrade at biketronics. Those are HATs I think, but not sure.

Thoughts?

Hey Nick .... I've never heard the Hawg Wired speakers so I am not a good person to ask. There are lots of people happy with them - not sure if they are better/worse than other speakers on the market. My gut says they are probably not as good as the best names in mobile audio, but again - I haven't heard them.

In general it is a significant upgrade in sound quality to go for the 6.5" speakers in the fairing. I'll caveat that by saying I might do some extensive testing this next winter on 5.25" drivers vs. 6.5" drivers - I've never compared the two.

Sorry I wasn't more helpful

[hdnik]

Thanks Rich. You've been way more helpful than you know. Much appreciated.