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[bhtko]

If all that has been done is to stick the V&H Powerduals on the bike, you are running WAY lean.  The ECM is not able to accomodate a change in exhaust that eliminates the CAT. You can get by with just sticking slip on mufflers on the stock headpipe, but changing the headpipe out is a whole other ballgame.  Get it tuned ASAP.

Did your dealer install the pipes and tell you that "it would be fine"?

My dealer installed the pipes and a base map.  It has not gotten the proper tune that I now know it needs...yet.

[gstrickland]

try getting rid of that "small block chevrolet" looking air cleaner, I put a K&N on mine and with the slope forward air cleaner, I didn't find myself being unnoticeably burnt on my right leg, also tune it, makes a huge difference.....

[guppytrash]

My dealer installed the pipes and a base map.  It has not gotten the proper tune that I now know it needs...yet.

Spending money sometimes convinces people they have gotten their moneys worth.
1. You have gotten rid of the cat
2. You have a base map adjustment (I promise you some of the folks that are telling you a tune is going to make your BSR cooler or your leg cooler paid for a full dyno tune and received exactly what you have... a base map)
3. You have done all the things you can do except remove the lowers.  Cat-gone, Fuel added via base map.

These things run HOT!  Sometimes uncomfortably hot.
You can add fuel to these things until they flood and you will still be hot.

[Midnight Rider]

They do run hot, but they don't have to run as hot as they do from the factory.  HD has to run them that way to meet EPA standards, and EPA is not to blame, HD is, for not offering up a better solution (water cooling) 4-5 years ago.  It's not like the EPA standards were a big surprise, after all.

A good tune will HELP, but not cure, the heat issues with a 110" air cooled motor.  However, I would seriously question a dealer installed "base map" to even be close to a better tune than stock.  I do not trust anything HD dealers do with regards to tuning a bike properly...there are exceptions of course, but I'd venture to say that 80% of dealers blow smoke up the customers azz, don't have a well trained tuner, and just do "stuff" to get the customer out the door with the bike running half-azzed right.

IMO, the Fullsac Stage I with the TTS is by far the best system for getting the bike 90% where it needs to be, for the least amount of money spent. Steve has tuned countless bikes with his system, so his "base map" is, again IMO, going to be much closer to right than something a HD dealer sticks in the ECM.  And with a little tweaking, the owner can dial it in further if needed/wanted.  It's just an easier row to hoe.  But it's not what everybody wants.  I just want to do things to my bike that require the absolute minimum involvement by the dealer...but, I can do a lot of things to my bike myself, and not everyone is so inclined.

[LovemyCVOgirl]

They do run hot, but they don't have to run as hot as they do from the factory.  HD has to run them that way to meet EPA standards, and EPA is not to blame, HD is, for not offering up a better solution (water cooling) 4-5 years ago.  It's not like the EPA standards were a big surprise, after all.

A good tune will HELP, but not cure, the heat issues with a 110" air cooled motor.  However, I would seriously question a dealer installed "base map" to even be close to a better tune than stock.  I do not trust anything HD dealers do with regards to tuning a bike properly...there are exceptions of course, but I'd venture to say that 80% of dealers blow smoke up the customers azz, don't have a well trained tuner, and just do "stuff" to get the customer out the door with the bike running half-azzed right.

IMO, the Fullsac Stage I with the TTS is by far the best system for getting the bike 90% where it needs to be, for the least amount of money spent. Steve has tuned countless bikes with his system, so his "base map" is, again IMO, going to be much closer to right than something a HD dealer sticks in the ECM.  And with a little tweaking, the owner can dial it in further if needed/wanted.  It's just an easier row to hoe.  But it's not what everybody wants.  I just want to do things to my bike that require the absolute minimum involvement by the dealer...but, I can do a lot of things to my bike myself, and not everyone is so inclined.

X2 Terry    Did I ever tell you how much I value your knowledge. 

[Midnight Rider]

X2 Terry    Did I ever tell you how much I value your knowledge. 

I'm just old, Judy...at my age, I'm bound to know a little bit, if for no other reason than through osmosis.   

[glens]

I don't think that water cooling will get rid of any heat whatsoever.  It would merely relocate the source.   Where would they put the radiator(s)?  That would be the new source of the concentrated heat.  Unless they put them somewhere behind the rider it's still going to hit them.

[110tHunDer]

 
Definitely not the panacea.  I've been on my share of HOT water cooled bikes.  And they were much, much worse than any Harley I've had.

[Midnight Rider]

Definitely not the panacea.  I've been on my share of HOT water cooled bikes.  And they were much, much worse than any Harley I've had.

Me too, Brian...with 110 degree "heat Monkeys" coming off the pavement sitting at a redlight, the Vrod would take your breath away when the fans came on.

Water cooling would do two things, primarily: Allow tighter tolerances and more power; allow more consistant operating temperatures.  If HD did a clever enough design so that the radiators were located in the lowers, with vents that allowed the rider to direct the hot air the fans blow out either angled out to each side at a 45 degree angle or so, or in cold weather, direct the flow onto the rider's legs, it might not be too bad. 

[guppytrash]

Two seperate issues being talked about here.

1. Rider and Passenger heat from a very hot motor

2. Engine operating temps.

#2 is easy...just look at the temp gauge of any modern day closed loop fuel injected car engine.  The temp gauges rarely move in town or highway -30f or 110f.
Regardless of personal opinions the big ugly radiators will definitely change the temps of our overheating air cooled engines.  This is the missing link to HD engines whether you like it or not.
The evolution from carbs to fuel injection to closed loop fuel injection was not always popular either.  Why do car manufactures now get more horsepower, better fuel mileage, and greater durability out of modern engines?  If you can't figure that out don't bother reading on.

Now for #1.  For those of you with tuners who think you can feel the temp difference on your legs based upon your closed loop air/fuel ratio moved from 14:7 to an adjusted 14:2 by your TTS or Race Tuner....that,.... I don't know if I can buy into...maybe, but, IMO most likely what you or your passenger feels is not going to be greatly affected by that.
However the tuner is going to greatly impact #2, the life of your engine so you better do it.

Back to number 1.  I think all the real impactors to this have been covered.  Go faster, get rid of cat, take off lowers.
As far as weather a water cooled bike will be cooler for us rider and our passengers, I guess comes down to design.

I have no cat, fullsac 2" cores, Big Sucker A/C, and went from race tuner, to Tmax to R. P. EMS for tuning.
Its still hot... it's 110 cubes of air cooled heat producing power and if you ride in town it is on the edge of acceptable.

For me bring on the water already!!
And for the sake of our thighs and ankles look at any modern rv that has the radiator in the back.  I'm thinking radiators and fan's in the bags or the tour pak.
No charge HD...just use my idea and thank me by manufacturing a long lasting comfortable great performing CVO that doesn't cook the family jewels.





  

[LovemyCVOgirl]

I'm just old, Judy...at my age, I'm bound to know a little bit, if for no other reason than through osmosis.   

I like osmosis.    I'm a chemist by trade.   

[VANAMAL]

  i remover the lower doors and took it out in 100 deg. It did make a noticable difference. I didnt feel the hot right leg syndrome. Give it a try i doesnt take long to remove them.

[bhtko]

i remover the lower doors and took it out in 100 deg. It did make a noticable difference. I didnt feel the hot right leg syndrome. Give it a try i doesnt take long to remove them.

By "lower doors" I assume you are talking about the adjustable vents in the lower fairings?

[VANAMAL]

ya - the adj lower vents. some guys are trimming them but i just removed them and will put back in when it cools down

[oe542bob]

ya - the adj lower vents. some guys are trimming them but i just removed them and will put back in when it cools down

I'd like to try that. Is it easy to figure out how to remove them? Thanks, Bob F