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[smiley1049]

Does anybody know how to get a  hold Twolander (Don) I developed a noise and I'm in Nixa MO and I was hoping to get some help and Knowledge.

[hogasm]

Left a message on his phone for you

[Twolanerider]

Spoke to the gent after Chip and Brian called.  I'd have missed the site this morning otherwise.  He's heading my way this afternoon to see if we can accomplish anything.

[smiley1049]

I want to give a great big thanks to Don for giving up his time and shop to help me try to figure out the noise issue.
Thanks a bunch
Chuck

[Twolanerider]

I want to give a great big thanks to Don for giving up his time and shop to help me try to figure out the noise issue.
Thanks a bunch
Chuck

No sweat Chuck.  Glad you came by.  That lift has had so many different bikes ride it its nickname is Easy.


Enjoy New Orleans and the rest of the trip.  Here's to good weather, lots of fun and a safe ride .

[mjb765]

No sweat Chuck.  Glad you came by.  That lift has had so many different bikes ride it its nickname is Easy.


Enjoy New Orleans and the rest of the trip.  Here's to good weather, lots of fun and a safe ride .

So what was causing the noise??

[Twolanerider]

So what was causing the noise??

Short answer is we don't know for sure.  It was a noise he described as being present on cold or cool start that went away after several minutes of run time.  He'd already proactively changed lifters but that hadn't changed anything.  

When Chuck got here the bike was warm of course.  He wanted to put eyes on the compensator just to make sure it was ok.  Some problems there could really bite a guy in the ass between the central US and arriving home in the Pacific NW a few thousand miles later.

Inside the primary looked surprisingly good.  It had the updated compensator in it already.  It was opened up just to put eyes on to make sure.  All seemed good.  

After the maintenance time and on engine re-start the noise he was concerned about was back so we could listen and hope to isolate a bit.  I didn't hear anything from the engine.  Was actually one of the quieter 110s I've heard.  Cam chest area sounded like a nice smooth medium sized sewing machine.

Did hear his concerning noise.  Isolated to the primary side and more to the rear.  He's been hearing it for a thousand miles plus and it's not changed.  It wasn't a noise I was concerned about.  If it's anything that later service will address it might be a tranny mainshaft bearing noise.  Not changing with clutch or other tranny activity though.  

End result of the visit was met another friend from the road.  Chuck got to feel better about the rest of the trip just making sure that things that were concerning him weren't really a concern.  The noise is slight and not really worrisome.  And he knows what to look at next if he decides to tackle it when he gets home.

Oh, and....  the local dealer doesn't have the mainshaft bearings on the shelf so we couldn't have accomplished anything going deeper even if we were so inclined.  Given what I heard though I'd not have worried.

[Twolanerider]

Jinxes being what they are of course Chuck now gets to call me anywhere between here and home if it doesn't make it and I have to go get him....  

[smiley1049]

Lets not say that.

[Eqcons]

Short answer is we don't know for sure.  It was a noise he described as being present on cold or cool start that went away after several minutes of run time.  He'd already proactively changed lifters but that hadn't changed anything.  

I have that.  Start the bike from cold and it's rattling like a ball bearing in a bean can.  Give it 2-3 minutes, it goes quiet (way longer than it takes to pump a lifter up.)  I too (as Don knows) changed the lifters to no effect.

Man, I HATE these 110 motors.  So much racket from them that listening to it and wondering what's going wrong next takes away the pleasure from riding. 

[Twolanerider]

I have that.  Start the bike from cold and it's rattling like a ball bearing in a bean can.  Give it 2-3 minutes, it goes quiet (way longer than it takes to pump a lifter up.)  I too (as Don knows) changed the lifters to no effect.

Man, I HATE these 110 motors.  So much racket from them that listening to it and wondering what's going wrong next takes away the pleasure from riding. 

This is all so subjective discussed as we do online but how heavy is your noise?  I heard Chuck's on an engine that had been thoroughly heat soaked from an hour and a half ride then shut off for about an hour.  So it wasn't a completely cool engine but it was cool enough to touch anywhere you'd want to touch it without getting burned. 

It was giving a definite RPM related noise but not a profoundly loud one.  I can't say what it would have sounded like dead cold.  On the lift at a level easy to bend over and listen to Chuck's sounded to me to be emanating from behind the engine in the primary.  You hearing anything similar?  Sure you're not having a mainshaft bearing issue.  That's another unfortunately not uncommon failure the last few years.

[Eqcons]

This is all so subjective discussed as we do online but how heavy is your noise?  I heard Chuck's on an engine that had been thoroughly heat soaked from an hour and a half ride then shut off for about an hour.  So it wasn't a completely cool engine but it was cool enough to touch anywhere you'd want to touch it without getting burned. 

It was giving a definite RPM related noise but not a profoundly loud one.  I can't say what it would have sounded like dead cold.  On the lift at a level easy to bend over and listen to Chuck's sounded to me to be emanating from behind the engine in the primary.  You hearing anything similar?  Sure you're not having a mainshaft bearing issue.  That's another unfortunately not uncommon failure the last few years.

Noise is pretty alarming when the motor is stone cold, (does it sometimes even when starting a warm engine too) Don - sounds for all the world like a lifter that's bled down, but as I say, it quietens after 2-3 minutes of idling.  Sometimes fades away, sometimes shuts off, just like that. I've tried to determine where it's coming from, but these damn 110s are so noisy you hear it whereever you stand. My feeling was that it was primary side, front end - that's why I hoped changing the compensator for the new type would help. It helped enormously with noise when the motor is warmed up, helped stop the starter kicking back, and spitting smoke out the inlet, but not with this noise.

I tend to think that a mainshaft bearing issue (I did consider that, with regard to my vibration issue, discussed in the other thread) wouldn't go away when hot though, would it?

Jim

[Twolanerider]

I tend to think that a mainshaft bearing issue (I did consider that, with regard to my vibration issue, discussed in the other thread) wouldn't go away when hot though, would it?

Jim

Honestly I'd expect it not to make a difference.  At least not much.  And of course really have no clue on Chuck's if that's actually what it is.  Just that it's the area the sound was coming from.  Other indicators like relationship to clutch activity suggested otherwise though.  Location means something though.... 

Have wondered about yours several times since you described it.  Incessant problems are annoying.  Even more so when they can't be nailed down and are of a type that makes you worry about getting home.  At least Chuck's didn't scare me about getting him home.

Not to rub salt in anyone's wound; but damn I'm glad my bikes are older.  The only thing I miss is ABS.  Aside from that there's nothing about the newer rides that tempt me.  I can even make the suspension good enough that the new frames aren't an issue.

[flhse]

Not to rub salt in anyone's wound; but damn I'm glad my bikes are older.  The only thing I miss is ABS.  Aside from that there's nothing about the newer rides that tempt me.  I can even make the suspension good enough that the new frames aren't an issue.

Agree 100% Don.  The 04 has never been better with the last few changes I've done in the last year.  Going to keep it for a long time, especially if my wife is in earshot.....

Brad 

[Eqcons]

Not to rub salt in anyone's wound; but damn I'm glad my bikes are older.  The only thing I miss is ABS.  Aside from that there's nothing about the newer rides that tempt me.  I can even make the suspension good enough that the new frames aren't an issue.

Fully agree, Don. I preferred the older frame - a better seat height for a short arse like me - and ABS is the only thing I'm grateful for.  The 103 was - is - a far better engine than the 110.