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[turbo357]

So, what I'm thinking is talking HD into making it right by using the reman program. But keeping the heads to install on the reman'd engine.

[phato1]

So, what I'm thinking is talking HD into making it right by using the reman program. But keeping the heads to install on the reman'd engine.

I agree especially if the dealer or HD will pay for the reman to correct the issues they seem to have created.

As far as when the engine gets back, others are more knowledgeable than me when it come to engine set-ups and perhaps they will chime in.

I know your engine is a 95" and mine is a 110" but I love the pull of the 255's in mine, perhaps the 259 cams would provide what your after when combined with the heads you already have and they may not require the use of the high compression pistons either 

[turbo357]

Since i have the stock heads, I could send them off for port and polishing. That may be better. I heard that these HTCC heads are notorious for causing pinging. (Pinging was another problem I've been having)

[turbo357]

The shop discovered the Cam bearings failed.  They are breaking the entire engine down to clean everything thoroughly then replace the oil pump, cams, and upgraded bearings. They don't want any more issues with it either. Monday July 22nd they should have the cams and then the repair can start. They're trying their best to make it right. 

[turbo357]

The dealership is OLD FORT HARLEY DAVIDSON, FORT SMITH, AR. They received the cams but they are NOW saying the cam bearing failure ruined the cases. They said the cam bearing failure had nothing to do with any of the other repairs they did. although, they used a special tool to press them in and it shouldn't have failed or ruined the cases. They do not want to make it right. because it was warranted for only 90 days. It been only 136 days & about 1,000 miles.   Their tech screws up my engine multiple times to the point it wont operated properly long enough to reach its first oil change, but they're not shy about quoting me the Harley Davidson Reman Program at a TOTAL COST TO ME of $5700. 

[Indenial]

Man, you have a really bad deal going. Don't know what to tell you. Looks like it has to go above the dealerships head. Have you talked to the District rep?

[phato1]

Yup, I think a call to HD is needed to request a meeting with their district rep. Gather up all the work orders from this dealer and have them handy(if you don't have them the dealership will in the computer - of course they will hate to give them to you, but that's TS). Although the repair orders are probably worded in such a way that the dealerships service department covered their a**. Maybe once a rep gets to see the history of failures they can get you some satisfaction. It's worth a try at this point , and maybe so is calling a lawyer and discussing the situation.

If not and you have to pay for a reman of the current engine or an entirely new one - IMHO no way in H-E-double toothpick should the current establishment be doing the work

[turbo357]

The dealership owner called me to say he has good news.  (Good news for who...him? $$) The dealer rep will give me a new engine. BUT!!!, I have to pay for the labor AND they want me to buy all of the stock components so they can send the engine to them in stock configuration. Ie. stock heads, pistons, cams, & throttle body. WHAT THE HECK!!!! This still sounds like a financial screwing. 

[Rooster]

Sounds like they want you to pay labor on both motors. You could prolly get new flywheels done from Darkhorse or someone similar and make your motor what you want for all they want you to pay.

[turbo357]

What I can't understand is, they told me the new engine is only the engine without a throttle body. Why would I need to buy a stock throttle body when I can use my existing throttle body. And why would I need to buy stock heads, pistons & cams for mine when my engine is going to be simply shipped off and dismantled anyway. The only thing broken is the cam bearing & journal.

[turbo357]

After talking to HD Customer service, they clarified that the engine will be reman'd.  I still have to buy a stock throttle body to install onto the rebuilt engine when it returns.  I have also bought a used set of stock heads so I can keep the HTCC heads.  Also they are installing my stock cams and pistons Before shipping it off so I can keep the performance pistons and SE cams. 
Although I still have to pay labor for putting the broken engine back together so it can be shipped and labor for reinstalling it when it returns, I'm feeling better. Total $2352.41 + the cost of stock parts = $2606.81

[Fired00d]

After talking to HD Customer service, they clarified that the engine will be reman'd.  I still have to buy a stock throttle body to install onto the rebuilt engine when it returns.  I have also bought a used set of stock heads so I can keep the HTCC heads.  Also they are installing my stock cams and pistons Before shipping it off so I can keep the performance pistons and SE cams. 
Although I still have to pay labor for putting the broken engine back together so it can be shipped and labor for reinstalling it when it returns, I'm feeling better. Total $2352.41 + the cost of stock parts = $2606.81

W/O going back and reading the entire thread... you have a TB now??... are you returning it on the motor to the MoCo for the reman'd one??... if so, why can't you keep the old one, or better yet they return all parts you send in??

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[phato1]

W/O going back and reading the entire thread... you have a TB now??... are you returning it on the motor to the MoCo for the reman'd one??... if so, why can't you keep the old one, or better yet they return all parts you send in??
 

I think he has to return the engine back to the stock configuration BEFORE it get sent out to be reman'd, so goes the swapping of heads,pistons,cams etc... And if I'm understanding correctly the shop is giving him his performance parts back to keep and perhaps use at a later date.

Unless I'm totally confused  he will end up with a "new" as in reman'd engine - in totally stock trim and with a warranty from HD. Since his new engine will be stock his current performance TB will be to big for the engine thereby requiring the purchase of a stock TB to install when he gets the engine back. - I think the engine is being sent out for reman without the TB?

[Fired00d]

I think he has to return the engine back to the stock configuration BEFORE it get sent out to be reman'd, so goes the swapping of heads,pistons,cams etc... And if I'm understanding correctly the shop is giving him his performance parts back to keep and perhaps use at a later date.

Unless I'm totally confused  he will end up with a "new" as in reman'd engine - in totally stock trim and with a warranty from HD. Since his new engine will be stock his current performance TB will be to big for the engine thereby requiring the purchase of a stock TB to install when he gets the engine back. - I think the engine is being sent out for reman without the TB?

I was understanding the same as you posted... what I have highlighted in red may well be the reason for the new TB... hadn't thought about that. Since everything else was being returned to stock I thought the TB was too.. or at least he was still in possesion of it.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[turbo357]

I was understanding the same as you posted... what I have highlighted in red may well be the reason for the new TB... hadn't thought about that. Since everything else was being returned to stock I thought the TB was too.. or at least he was still in possesion of it.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

Yes the highlighted RED part was my understanding of what was going to happen too.
 
After taking the stock parts there today and talking to the owner, he said a new engine will be shipped first.  He didn't sound confident that the old engine would be sent off first to be reman'd then returned all new.  The impression I got, from him Today, was a new engine will be shipped as a replacement to mine. It may have a different VIN. He will email the dealer rep Monday to receive clarification of exactly what is supposed to happen.

What's best a new engine w/different VIN or remanufacturing my engine?  I would rather have a numbers matching bike. Or does that really matter very much regarding resell value later.

The next question I'll ask, if they are sending a new engine, will be ... Can I keep my old engine.  Because new engines don't require a core to be sent in.