It's been brought to my attention that I WAS being a dick. OK. I was.... I have to admit that I feel a PV can get the job done. I also feel that a PV can end up being easier to use for a bike owner DIY type of guy. I have also, always have said, that, at the end of the day, if someone wants a bit more, then TTS is the way to go. These have been my stated opinions for awhile now.
Member Heatwave brought out a bad side in me and I apologize. Some of what HE says isn't ringing true to me and my own personal experiences from the TTS product.
So... to the OP, please buy a pipe instead of welding it up. That really does help and make a difference. Also, to the OP, you need to make a decision.... what to do about fuel. Your choices range from installing some kind of XIED product, to a hang on the bike fooler box, like Power Commander, Cobra, V&H fooler, etc, to having an actual flash tuner. OP, I recommend that you bite the bullet and spend the extra money on a Flash Tuner. There is more to it than just 'fuel', for a smoother running bike. PV costs a little more than TTS. If you buy a Fullsac head pipe you can get the TTS WITH a base map already to go for your set up. You could ALSO go with Fuelmoto and buy his pipe with a PV that also has a base map that should work.
WIth either system, you can run the base map, or tune the bike a little further. Not too awful hard to do, actually. I recommend you do so.
What this all is, and all of us have to find out eventually is that THIS is THE HArley Tax..... We touch ANYTHING on the stock engine, we simply HAVE to address the fuel issues. No way around that, because the bike, as it sits, simply cannot overcome the calibration that comes with a stock bike. So... we ALL have done something. That sucks, but it's the facts of life.
Yes, I like the TTS better. I AM a fanboi, I guess. At the end of the day, the TTS will have the better tune. This IS from experience. But, I will also say that if you wish some 'hand holding' on this expense, PV has you covered, too.
A point was brought up and also needs discussing... A complete pro tune is anywhere from like $700 to $1000, and that price WILL include the tuner. It IS a lot, but you ONLY need mess with it all again if you change anything on the bike later, like cams. Afterwards, another tune should be like $3-400ish for a new tune when you do do more work.
Do you have any Pro tuners around? NOT Dealers that tune(except for Gail's in KC... they do good work tuning), but an Indy shop that specializes in tuning? If so... go ask THAT GUY what HE likes to tune with. Follow HIS lead and not ours. I can think of a tuner in Ohio near upper Sandusky. Roeder Racing. What they do is sell a PV tuning license and NOT the PV itself. They will do a full tune for $500. Also, there are a couple tuners in Mich, I think are quite good, too. Take the bike to one of those guys, leave the bike for 3-4 days, come back and get the bike, and simply RIDE it.
And... FWIW.... If it were me, back in the day... I would do a complete Stage 1 with new cams, tune it, and call it a day. Doing just this will give the bike the power it SHOULD have and it will last a lifetime. A lifetime of fun and enjoyment and.... no stress like this crap, to you.
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