If after 261 posts, no answers to the original questions raised, and ending with the thread being locked down, is there really anything to gain by starting the same conversation all over again with primarily the same participants? Just wondering....
Because a lot of us did NOT participate, or could not participate fully. Bob and I got banned from HTT for asking the politically incorrect questions over there. If YOU like HTT, that's fine. I no longer do, and over here? I can post what I think about narrow bands without fear that the mods will ban me for doing so. This will NOT be the same discussion at all.
There IS an issue over there and it is why I don't like the references to that site. You are either IN or you are OUT. You can see some of the INS coming here spewing forth how one guy from Illinois is the BEST tuner... way better than Doc , etc.. Here? Cold hard data is going to rule. No pros, no antis, but data.
If you THINK this will be a rehash... then how about moving along, no member has to read a thread they think will be worthless, right?
I will have a 96 coming in for a Stage 2 plus tune pretty soon. Now THAT bike will be perfect to run some experiments upon. I will also throw the 120r up on the wheel. Over on HTT, I was NOT permitted to post ANY data as ALL data from me was suspect, which I HIGHLY resented, Mike! HIGHLY. Here on CVO? Data WILL be given to the members. The members will decide the truth and veracity of that data. The MODS will NOT gang up and stop the flow of data, right? Notice how on that 261 thread... not one person posted data? Did you ever stop to wonder the... 'why' of that? And... it has NOTHING to do with how Bob worded his OPs either. That is just Mike hiding the true facts of he is either IN on it or blind to it. I think the latter. Most I talk to think the former, though.
It is because the free flow of ideas was STOPPED. HTT is dying and on the way out. When only ONE opinion is available, the 'entertainment factor' goes way down for members. Also, the ideas one obtains from such a place is screwed because not all sides are present.
So... how about QUIT talking about what happened on HTT as that is not reality anymore anyways. How about instead... move this thread along. BTW, YOU always argue with ANY tuning and why is that? You don't care, remember? You have an EMS and no tuning is needed, right? So... how about allowing us the courtesy to talk about this without the snide remarks that do NOT move the thread forward. In return? I will quit telling folks how EMS destroyed a bike or two, as I AGREE that that COULD have been statistical anomalies. OK?
I think being able to have a DIYer be able to complete a tune without the need of anything else, like twin scan or some WEGO device would be very very cool for members.
Mike, here is something that you simply, as of yet, do NOT grasp...... There are so many guys that want their bike tuned, that it's crazy. Forums distort facts like this. Most want a tune and be able to move on, and all the hullabaloo about 'no more tuners needed' is so much air... it is silly. I have given away way more tunes (to another tuner) than I have even thought about doing.
Instead, with a device that can 'do it all'? That may very well be the 'thing' that grabs certain folks interest and one day THEY will own a dyno, too.