Some simply do NOT understand what is truly going on with these threads. Let's keep the 'other' forum over there. New guy sounds like ANOTHER Steve hater to me. Sounds like Stroker sent another fanboi over here. Inject PV into this thread and then say it is so cool, too. How is THAT furthering a thread?
Here is THE deal. Steve has the product done. It will be released. It works.
Now, what I feel Bob has been trying to do is get folks involved that are not so closely attached to TTS to run some 'experiments'. The true reason for these experiments is NO ONE will believe that one can use NB O2s to gather WOT info, the same as we now use WBs. The idea here is for some folks to change their minds, from looking at data, that.... hmmmmmm... those damn narrow bands CAN be used in this manner.
What MOST still think is at 100kpa, that these sendsors are being used similar to fuel control. They are not being used in this manner. ARe the narrow bands suspect for 100kpa data gathering... presently the answer is yes, they are suspect. What most are simply failing to realize is the fuel lines we graph from using widebands on a sweep, are suspect, also. But... since that is the ONLY thing we have, we have all convinced ourselves the WBos are dead nuts 'on', and that really is simply not the case. Most do not 'get this' fully.
So, here we are. I HAVE done these tests and can keep my fuel line withing less than a 1/2 AFR line, by using voltages. I sweep WOT. I normally use WBos and make multiple runs and dial in the VEs to get the fuel line flat at target. I can do the same with the NBs. ANd... the fuel lines are really quite close.
Here is what you are missing Mike... this is done. This is software driven. A bike owner will NOT have to manually alter VEs, like with a sweep, it does it autaomatically, just like Timing Assist does and just like the VEs are done... automated software.
These threads, from Bob, and YES, they and now I have seen this work, we KNOW it works. It is NOT a vendor pushing a product, it is all about changing the mind sets of some who refuse to believe that WBs have issues.
Those of us that tune, know some of the issues. Biggest issue I have seen, even on a WOT run, low RPM will NOT gather nice data with WBos. But we all get it done, right? Same thing on the other end.
Since other 'members' come here with graphs, etc, but readily admit they haven't touched a bike in years... what does THAT add to the discussion.
This EXISTS. This will be sold. Members here will be able to tune their 100kpa areas, using DIY methods. Those are the FACTS.
ANd when this is through testing and released, I will simply sit by, use this to tune with, and watch all of the HATERS argue it doesn't 'work'. My response will be to anyone, when you use this... then use your dyno and sweep you some fuel, and compare the end results of where the VES are.
I am like Sadunbar, I find this highly interesting. Time marches onwards. New things are discovered. New things make it to market. Things ALWAYS change. In 2007, there were NO tuners that allowed a tuner/DIYer to use the O2 sensors on a bike to tune with. TTS made this, and everyone copied. TTS made a tuner that can pull out EGR using software, then everyone copied. TTS made a tuner that adjusts for cam opening, then folks are copying that right now. SESPT uses 100kpa to tune with RIGHT NOW, and NOBODY says its bullchit. It is only when TTS does the same thing, that is when people scream. Most of us readily know the limitations of the SESPT, magically changes timing, etc. So now that TTS copies, AND fixes these things... it is now bullchit? I ain't buying it. What I AM buying is there are LOTS of folks that have vested interests in the status quo.
Tuning... cars, trucks and bikes is a business category that is full of small businesses. Some may have 100 employees, so that is STILL a small business. Folks wish to protect their turf. The BIG BUSINESS end of tuning is Bosch and NGK (owner of NTK). I doubt NTK and Bosch give a crap. But all of the wide band tuning guys WILL. It will be very heated as this moves forward... the reason will be simple, too. The car market. If this was ONLY about bikes? No one would care and pat Steve on the back. But cars? Now there is THE market, and what happens if this works for bikes? Then it will work for cars, too. ANd then everything changes.
So, the haters can run their ringers in this thread all they wish, time WILL move forward regardless.
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