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[charles05663]

Indian pricing?  See if I'm missing something here - the Chieftain, with no lowers, no tour pac, etc. is 23k.  Top of the line HD Electa Glide Ultra Ltd. is $24,200, which includes tour pac, lowers, and six speakers.  I thought the Indians were supposed to be appealing as an alternative to HD because they were going to have a better price point.  I imagine by the time you add the Indian saddlebag lid speakers, tour pac, and maybe lowers (if Indian offers them), your going to be well past the cost of a comparable HD.  The Indian has some nice features (Bluetooth, adjustable windshield, etc) but still...

...and you'll still be stuck with that ugly fairing.

+ the cost of an extended warranty and all the mods necessary to get it to run reliability.

 

[Rooster]

Ok, I'm going to say it. Those saddlebag hinges are FUGLY.

[Rio]

I don't mean to offend anyone, especially those that forked out the $$ for the Chieftain.  You can tell Polaris owns them because the fairing inner and outer screams Victory.  They try and mix the nostolgic look of the Indian with the modern look and technology of the Victory?  If I want techy, I will go for the tech built into the ride and handling verus the digital crap and get a BMW.  I have already crossed that road and decided to stay with my Harley.  To each their own

[Indenial]

Saw the "unveiling" Saturday night in Sturgis. They had a big hype and nice presentation. I just don't like the looks of them--sorry Indian.

By the way: the police in Sturgis were all riding Victory bikes, that was a switch.

[mark]

"One last thing, in stock form the Electra Glide Ultra only has four speakers, not six." 

Egultrac, I stand corrected, 4 rather than 6.  However, even with all the bling, I don't see the Chieftain as a rival to a CVO SG.

[North Georgia Hawg]

"One last thing, in stock form the Electra Glide Ultra only has four speakers, not six." 

Egultrac, I stand corrected, 4 rather than 6.  However, even with all the bling, I don't see the Chieftain as a rival to a CVO SG.

I may be biased... but I certainly don't put the Chieftain in the same class as a SESG! Maybe a regular SG, but certainly not a CVO SG. No CVO paint job, for starters. Nor extended saddlebags. Nor chrome Agitator wheels. Nor a 400W, eight-speaker sound system. Nor lowers. Nor a passenger backrest. Nor a chrome oil cooler cover. Etc. etc. etc.

The Indian seat looks nicer, and it's leather. And the audio head unit is better with Bluetooth and smartphone compatibility. But I am hopeful that the MoCo will finally update the quite-long-in-the-tooth HK head unit in 2014. That's long overdue.

And, if the MoCo comes out with an FLHXSE4 for 2014, I suspect they will outfit it with even more goodies than my FLHXSE3.

I still can't get past that massive, ugly fairing. I think it's atrocious. It's even uglier than the old TourGlide fairing was... and that thing was downright OFFENSIVE!

Ken

[mark]

I'm sure Indians will have their issues too.  If Indians have catalytic converters (how could they not), then they'll probably have heat problems as well.  Don't get me wrong, I was excited when Indian was reborn by Polaris - the Vintage and Classic are great looking retro bikes.  However, I wish they had made the Chieftain either all retro or all modern, rather than a hybrid of both.  I don't thing anyone interpreted your remarks as a Street Glide put-down, but rather just some good motorcycle discussion.

[Fullsac Performance]

I spent a few hundred miles on a Victory Cross roads and came very close to buying one. The performance and handling gap between the Victory and Harley was staggering and all in favor of the Victory. I expect the performance gap to be even larger with the newest Polaris.
I owned restored and rode a 47 Chief for years before I ever owned a Harley. I could easily see myself buying the Indian Classic instead of a RoadKing. Add a windshield and black softbags and I would be set. Hopefully they will offer the Vintage in an all black option. I have to agree with others, the hard bags and fairing on the Hard Bagger missed the mark. But Polaris is a very aggressive company, they make changes faster than no other manufacture. They won't hear many complaints and new styling will emerge. Polaris may have only scratched the surface with the Victory line of MCs, I think in a very short time these new Indians are going to leave a much bigger mark. The Brand recognition is very deep and already in place. The bikes are mechanically superior in so many ways. Its not a JP crate bike with Indian stickers on the tank this time. I'm sure Harley is very aware of this.

[110tHunDer]

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But Polaris is a very aggressive company, they make changes faster than no other manufacture. They won't hear many complaints and new styling will emerge.

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How many Visions are they selling?

[Fullsac Performance]

How many Visions are they selling?

Not many and that's a good example. The Cross Roads is the Vision with new body work.

Keep Arlen away from the Indians and they should be OK, Lol..

Steve

[05Train]

I spent a few hundred miles on a Victory Cross roads and came very close to buying one. The performance and handling gap between the Victory and Harley was staggering and all in favor of the Victory. I expect the performance gap to be even larger with the newest Polaris.
I owned restored and rode a 47 Chief for years before I ever owned a Harley. I could easily see myself buying the Indian Classic instead of a RoadKing. Add a windshield and black softbags and I would be set. Hopefully they will offer the Vintage in an all black option. I have to agree with others, the hard bags and fairing on the Hard Bagger missed the mark. But Polaris is a very aggressive company, they make changes faster than no other manufacture. They won't hear many complaints and new styling will emerge. Polaris may have only scratched the surface with the Victory line of MCs, I think in a very short time these new Indians are going to leave a much bigger mark. The Brand recognition is very deep and already in place. The bikes are mechanically superior in so many ways. Its not a JP crate bike with Indian stickers on the tank this time. I'm sure Harley is very aware of this.

I was really close to buying a Vic CCT prior to getting the CVO.  It's a really great bike, and as you said, just blows away the Harley from a dynamic standpoint.  Polaris has got a bunch of money behind both Vic and Indian, and they've positioned themselves with two very distinct lines: a modern interpretation of the American V-Twin motorcycle, and a bona-fide heritage brand.  I haven't ridden the Indian yet, but on paper it's an impressive machine.

Competition is good for everyone, and I hope this is the kick in the butt Harley needs to address some of the nagging issues we all talk about.

[DJ56]

Are these 3 new Indians softails? 

[North Georgia Hawg]

Not many and that's a good example. The Cross Roads is the Vision with new body work.

Keep Arlen away from the Indians and they should be OK, Lol..

Steve

So Steve... How long until a Fullsac X-Pipe for these new Indians?

I wonder if Steve Cole is working on a TTS for them, too?

THOSE two things might change the whole game! A new market opportunity for the "Two Steves"!!!

Ken

[Skipper]

Do you guys have any info about the engine? Construction  looks  solid to me. Driving belt on the right side like Sportsters, Forged single pin, tree gear driving cams, helicut gears. If the engine come out to be boolitprove the Chife Vintage will be beater option than CVO Road King.
Skipper

[Fullsac Performance]

So Steve... How long until a Fullsac X-Pipe for these new Indians?

I wonder if Steve Cole is working on a TTS for them, too?

THOSE two things might change the whole game! A new market opportunity for the "Two Steves"!!!

Ken

I did a bunch of dyno testing on the 2012 Victory Cross Roads. Bone stock it made 88 HP, more than a stock CVO.
I made a complete new headpipe behind the stock shields, mufflers ect. Ended up with 94 HP stage I. The fixtures are finished and its already been ran for over 10K. A Power Commander was the only tuner available at that time. Everythings still sitting on the shelf, haven't had the energy to go another direction.  I do have a lot more personal interest in the Indians having owned a 47 Chief. Need to finish our CVO mufflers first. finalizing a black ceramic coated CVO replacement muffler that will accept the stock CVO billet endcap and heat shield making it look OEM original. These are for the CVO owner who doesn't want to be bothered with modding the stock mufflers. Take am out of the box, swap the stock endcap and heat shield and ride. Still a couple months out. Maybe an Indian headpipe after that...

Sorry for the shameless product plug in the middle of an Indian discussion.

Steve