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[RoadDawg]

I have a 2014 CVO Breakout (softail) coming next month. Getting complete new exhaust (Bassani Pro-Street Turnouts) with race tuner. Dealer says dyno run is a must with SE bikes. Would love to hear experiences of the group. Thanks so much.

[old_dirt]

Well, the short answer would be yes, you do. 

The little bit of a longer answer could be...  you could do the tuning yourself.  I'm not the biggest fan of the SEPST, but I feel you could dial in your fuel with some smart tune runs and the rest of the map would be good as far a timing and most other settings.

I hardly ever recommend having a dealer do a tune, one should look to independent tuning shops. 

Get those pipes, go ahead and get a decent flowing Air Cleaner, and then learn how to tune the fuel.  It's been proven that swapping even just exhaust will make the fuel to be off a bit.  It will be slightly lean.  Not dangerously lean or anything like that, but lean enough to make the ECU struggle trying to keep the fuel in line.  Tuning the fuel will put things back to 'center', and the bike will be able to make use of and have more power because of... that Stage1 you will be installing.  Be fun to ride, good manners, etc.

It SHOULD have a tune... the question is who does it.  Me?  I tune, and I think YOU can get this done, my Brother.

You CAN do it!!!

[grc]

I have a 2014 CVO Breakout (softail) coming next month. Getting complete new exhaust (Bassani Pro-Street Turnouts) with race tuner. Dealer says dyno run is a must with SE bikes. Would love to hear experiences of the group. Thanks so much.

I'm guessing that what he meant by that is that there are street legal downloads from Harley for certain Stage I changes on the regular bikes (air cleaner and muffler), but since the SE bikes are already Stage I from the factory there is no such download for those bikes.  So you will need some sort of a tuning package to either load a canned map to match your bike and changes, or to tune the bike yourself using the software in several of those packages, or to have the bike tuned by a professional.  There are several tuning packages on the market, and the Harley offering isn't necessarily the best or easiest to use.  You may want to read up on the TTS MasterTune and the Power Vision as well as the SEPST from Harley.

Before you agree to have this dealership "tune" your bike (there is a huge difference between a "dyno run" and a full tuning session btw), you need to determine their qualifications and capabilities.  Harley dealerships are not the best choice for tuning in many/most cases.  Just because they have a dyno, and they have a guy who knows how to strap the bike onto the dyno and run the bike to produce a chart, doesn't mean they are fully qualified to do a complete tune.  Check them out with others in your area who have had them "tune" their bikes, and ask around locally for recommendations for the best tuners in the area.

Jerry

[RoadDawg]

The dealer claims that the EFI Super Tuner may not be enough. Because it's an SE bike it will likely need a dyno run to get it fully in tune. Make sense?

[old_dirt]

Yes, makes sense.  I would not recommend a dealer down load with a CVO, once swapping parts around.  It is my opinion that CVO bikes don't quite enjoy the amount the AFVs can fix things like 96 and 110 bikes.  GRC and I agree.

My next question is this... are you getting a SEST, (Street Tuner) or a SESPT ( Pro Tuner).  You will need a pro tuner.

I also agree that there are better devices than the SESPT.  Far and away, the TTS is the best solution for your bike.  But... this choice is yours.

[RoadDawg]

SE Pro super tuner part 32109-08c. Retail $459.

[old_dirt]

That is the correct tuner that we would like you to use, if you have already purchased it.

[FlaHeatWave]

For just pipes, you don't need a dyno tune at all! The dealer just wants to pad his bottom line by selling you a dyno tune. They should have a canned map (which they will probably use anyway) that will accommodate a freer flowing exhaust.

Don't buy into the "it's a CVO" bull$hit! I currently have 3 CVOs and there isn't that difference that they are trying to play you with, if you are just going to install pipes.

If all that you are going to do is pipes, just get an add on "fueler" such as a V&H FuelPak or a FuelMoto micro tuner and you will be happy with the $$$ that you can spend on something else.

The '09 SERG had a V&H FuelPak and PowerDuals when I got it and that was all it needed, it ran fine. 'Am since going 113 and 'am going with PC-V / AutoTune and will be surprised if the '09 sees a dyno anytime soon.

If you plan to go any further past pipes (cams, pistons, heads, etc...) then you will need a dyno tune, everytime you change something, unless you go with something that has AutoTune capabilities.

Another device, The DynoJet PowerVision has much more expansion capabilities than the "fuelers" that I mentioned above, it 'flashes' the ecm and is not an add on like the "fuelers" and if you get one from FuelMoto, they will send you canned maps until you are happy. S&S recommends them...

You might have a conversation with your dealer and see if he will support any of the things that I mentioned, some will, some won't...

Just keep in the back of your mind about the "because it's a CVO it needs a dyno tune for just pipes BS"

Hell, I'm starting to sound like Jerry... LOL   

[Steve Cole]

The '09 SERG had a V&H FuelPak and PowerDuals when I got it and that was all it needed, it ran fine. 'Am since going 113 and 'am going with PC-V / AutoTune and will be surprised if the '09 sees a dyno anytime soon.

If you plan to go any further past pipes (cams, pistons, heads, etc...) then you will need a dyno tune, everytime you change something, unless you go with something that has AutoTune capabilities.

Hate to sound bad, but people need to stop misleading other people into thinking there are devices that AutoTune. To date there is NOT any devices that AutoTune your HD bike, it's all marketing hype. If you want your bike to be tuned it needs to be done by someone, the tuners themselves will not do it for you. Sure they have some limited amount of adjusting done in the ECM but they do not come close to tuning your bike. Lots of way to get from point A to point B and lots of people recommend and use various manufactures products to do it. Pick what you want and either spend the time to learn how to do it yourself or pay someone else to do it for you. In the long run it's all about what you expect to gain by doing it.

[FlaHeatWave]

Hate to sound bad, but people need to stop misleading other people into thinking there are devices that AutoTune. To date there is NOT any devices that AutoTune your HD bike, it's all marketing hype. If you want your bike to be tuned it needs to be done by someone, the tuners themselves will not do it for you. Sure they have some limited amount of adjusting done in the ECM but they do not come close to tuning your bike. Lots of way to get from point A to point B and lots of people recommend and use various manufactures products to do it. Pick what you want and either spend the time to learn how to do it yourself or pay someone else to do it for you. In the long run it's all about what you expect to gain by doing it.

Steve is right, there is nothing presently out there that "AutoTunes" in the true sense of the word. I did not intend to mislead anybody, I don't have a dog in that hunt...

I guess that the point I was trying to get across to the OP was that IMHO, spending the money on dyno tuning a new Harley (especially by some dealers) with just pipes might not give him as much bang for the buck as some of the other options out there.  

To the OPs question"Is a dyno run a must with new pipes and race tuner?"
I guess that I should have just said no... Not in my opinion...

[Steve Cole]

I'm not trying to pick on anyone. I think the truth just needs to be out there about the so called Autotune.

As to tuning a bike with only pipes, yes it helps (it even helps on a stock bike). The question of is it worth it, many different answers for that one. Since I do this for a living and I know the difference, for me the answer is yes but many people are just as happy not doing it. Some pipe combinations are worse than others too, so what is OK for one might not be so good for another.

[old_dirt]

Some pipe combinations are worse than others too, so what is OK for one might not be so good for another.

Absolutely True.

[INDEPENDENT_1]

All bikes benefit from a good tune. Is it worth it? I personally can't imagine buying a brand new bike and skimping on something like a tune but that's just me. I see the difference a tune makes when done properly and I believe it's absolutely worth it. Congrats on your new bike! I'm sure you'll get lots of enjoyment out of it.  

[MadCVORG]

I agree that a good tune will help, but if you're mechanically inclined, do a search on the SEPST software.  Someone on here provided the H-D link, and I was able to download the software without any issues.  I bought the SEPST while I was in Afghanistan, so all I received was the VCI.  I bought the cable set, got the sw from here, and was able to interface between the bike and my laptop. I'm still earning the software, but I can at least view/print the current map, and will be able to make changes once I'm more proficient. So for now, I have a good baseline map that I can modify if I need to in the future.

[FlaHeatWave]

All bikes benefit from a good tune. Is it worth it? I personally can't imagine buying a brand new bike and skimping on something like a tune but that's just me. I see the difference a tune makes when done properly and I believe it's absolutely worth it. Congrats on your new bike! I'm sure you'll get lots of enjoyment out of it.  

Tune, or Dyno Tune?? One is around 2x$ of the other...

There are the 'Docs' of our world, that can wring 10/10ths out of a bike, but the average dealer (who the OP is dealing with) would be hard pressed to get any more out of (or equal to) it than  a proper canned map from a competent source (FullSac~TTS, FuelMoto~DynoJet, (some)Dealers~SEPST, etc...)

The OP sounds like he just wants a better sounding exhaust (without leaning out the motor too much) not a LSR bike...