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[dnlpnd]

Does anyone else find it strange that there are separate CVO Limited, Softail Deluxe, Breakout, Road Glide Custom, Road Glide Ultra, Street Glide, Softail Convertible discussions under Custom Vehicle Discussions, but the CVO Road King is conspicuously absent?  Instead, the 2014 FLHRSE owners are supposed to go to a discussion that is buried under Screamin’ Eagle Road King discussion at the bottom of the discussion list?  Shouldn’t the late model FLHRSEs have a discussion of its own like all the other Harley "CVO" models?  ie:  CVO™ Road King®

[Fired00d]

Not strange at all.... All model specific boards on this forum are of CVO/SE bikes. These bikes were designed by the "Custom Vehicle Operations" division of Harley-Davidson. The official model designation of your bike is "FLHRSE⁶" (Screamin' Eagle). So this would make your bike a CVO/SE Road King and for that reason that is why it is included with all the other Road Kings from the Custom Vehicle Operations division of the MoCo.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[dnlpnd]

Well, with that logic then why wouldn’t all models produced by the “Custom Vehicle Operations” division of Harley-Davidson follow the same Screamin’ Eagle convention under the Custom Vehicle discussion board?

The Limited, Softail Deluxe, Breakout, Road Glide Custom, Road Glide Ultra, Street Glide, Softail Convertible all have the CVO designation on this board.  Much like when I purchased my bike, the dealer and I do not talk about my Road King being a Screamin’ Eagle (even though the SE remains in the model letters), everyone talks about it being a CVO.

For that reason, the engineer in me will always think it is strange/illogical that there is no CVO Road King discussion when most of the other models (listed above) are represented as CVOs on this board.  Also, it is not very intuitive to a new user of the site to have to go the Screamin’ Eagle discussion at the bottom of the page when I first see all the CVOs (except the RK) grouped at the top of the page.

I’ll shut my pie hole and conform, if no one else agrees with me on this thread.

[Grizzly]

Actually I was pondering a similar question...

With me always figuring that a Screamin' Eagle and a CVO was one in the same, why are they all not listed as Screamin' Eagles or CVO's?   

Furthermore isn't the CVO Limited simply a name change from CVO Ultra?  In the regular lineup they have both, but in the CVO's they have only had one at a time.

The only thing that makes sense of all this would be that CVO Harley is mirroring what H-D is doing... If you check out the Harley website and follow through the years, for some unknown reason some models changed from being labeled Screamin' Eagles to CVO's and they decided to drop the word Ultra and replace it with Limited in the CVO lineup for some strange reason???  After all, there is nothing "limited" about the 14's and they really are the same bike as the Ultra 13's and prior, just having the same upgrades as all 14's throughout the touring models.

So, it is not CVO Harley that is confusing, technically it is Harley-Davidson who is responsible for this... There must be a method to their madness, but I sure can't figure it out.

Am I missing something?

[dnlpnd]

Yeah, but Grizzy as a new Harley owner that may not know all the history of Screamin’ Eagle versus CVO, why would I even think to go to a Screamin’ Eagle discussion for my bike?  It has always been a CVO Road King and will always be a CVO Road King in my mind.

A new guest to site may just think this discussion board has excluded the CVO Road King for whatever reason and may not return.  T-Roy had to tell me the CVO Road King was listed under Screamin’ Eagle Road King.

In my opinion, the discussions should mirror whatever Harley originally represented the bikes as.  Then the Screamin’ Eagle Road King would have the correct connotation of being an older model and the CVO Road King would have the correct connotation of being a later model bike.  Hence, being more intuitive to post in the intended discussion.

[Grizzly]

Personally I consider them all to be Screamin' Eagles produced by the Custom Vehicle Operations department.

However, having said that, a few years ago H-D stopped producing the SE's on a separate line by the "best of the best" in the factory, which naturally caused the designation change.

Uh, possibly I just answered my own question in my last post.

I really believe CVO Harley is simply following the lead from H-D so that there is actually less confusion.

However, after checking the H-D website just now and considering that H-D calls it a CVO Road King - I'm really confused now! 

[Fired00d]

Actually I was pondering a similar question...

With me always figuring that a Screamin' Eagle and a CVO was one in the same, why are they all not listed as Screamin' Eagles or CVO's?   

Furthermore isn't the CVO Limited simply a name change from CVO Ultra?  In the regular lineup they have both, but in the CVO's they have only had one at a time.

The only thing that makes sense of all this would be that CVO Harley is mirroring what H-D is doing... If you check out the Harley website and follow through the years, for some unknown reason some models changed from being labeled Screamin' Eagles to CVO's and they decided to drop the word Ultra and replace it with Limited in the CVO lineup for some strange reason???  After all, there is nothing "limited" about the 14's and they really are the same bike as the Ultra 13's and prior, just having the same upgrades as all 14's throughout the touring models.

So, it is not CVO Harley that is confusing, technically it is Harley-Davidson who is responsible for this... There must be a method to their madness, but I sure can't figure it out.

Am I missing something?

Exactly!!! Aren't they always at fault.

You mention the CVO/SE Ultra Classic (FLHTCUSE) & CVO/SE Limited (FLHTKSE) similar bikes but the MoCo in their infinite wisdom decided to give them different model names. Take it a little further.... CVO/SE Road Glide (FLHRSE), CVO/SE Road Glide Ultra (FLHRUSE), & CVO/SE Road Glide Custom (FLHRXSE) they are all Road Glides but with different model designations.

When new model(s) designations are introduced by the MoCo then a new board is produced for those. If we had a board for every model year can you imagine how long (and confusing) the index page would be. Makes more sense to have the models grouped together by there official MoCo model designation.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[Fired00d]

Yeah, but Grizzy as a new Harley owner that may not know all the history of Screamin’ Eagle versus CVO, why would I even think to go to a Screamin’ Eagle discussion for my bike?  It has always been a CVO Road King and will always be a CVO Road King in my mind.

A new guest to site may just think this discussion board has excluded the CVO Road King for whatever reason and may not return.  T-Roy had to tell me the CVO Road King was listed under Screamin’ Eagle Road King.

In my opinion, the discussions should mirror whatever Harley originally represented the bikes as.  Then the Screamin’ Eagle Road King would have the correct connotation of being an older model and the CVO Road King would have the correct connotation of being a later model bike.  Hence, being more intuitive to post in the intended discussion.

They do... your bike is a "FLHRSE⁶" from the Custom Vehicle Operations division of the MoCo.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[Grizzly]

Exactly!!! Aren't they always at fault.

You mention the CVO/SE Ultra Classic (FLHTCUSE) & CVO/SE Limited (FLHTKSE) similar bikes but the MoCo in their infinite wisdom decided to give them different model names. Take it a little further.... CVO/SE Road Glide (FLHRSE), CVO/SE Road Glide Ultra (FLHRUSE), & CVO/SE Road Glide Custom (FLHRXSE) they are all Road Glides but with different model designations.

When new model(s) designations are introduced by the MoCo then a new board is produced for those. If we had a board for every model year can you imagine how long (and confusing) the index page would be. Makes more sense to have the models grouped together by there official MoCo model designation.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

The only "fly in the ointment" with that statement is that there is a big difference between a Road Glide, Road Glide Custom and Road Glide Ultra - hard bags vs. leather bags and of course the Ultra came with the TourPac and extra speakers as the EG Ultra's do.  So I can understand the different designations with those three.

[Fired00d]

The only "fly in the ointment" with that statement is that there is a big difference between a Road Glide, Road Glide Custom and Road Glide Ultra - hard bags vs. leather bags and of course the Ultra came with the TourPac and extra speakers as the EG Ultra's do.  So I can understand the different designations with those three.

They all came with hard bags, RGU came with KTP. Other than that and some little electronic differences/additions they are the same bike but the MoCo gave them different model designations.


Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[07CVO.RK]

A friend of mine bought the Limited in its first year of production. 2010 I believe. They came with the 103. Ultras only had the 96 in that year. Hence the designation "Limited".

[Grizzly]

They all came with hard bags, RGU came with KTP. Other than that and some little electronic differences/additions they are the same bike but the MoCo gave them different model designations.


Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

Okay, I'll give you that they were all hard bags.  But the Custom's were leather wrapped and different enough to be designated a Custom.  As was the Ultra's with the KTP considering the RG's didn't come with any TP.

As mentioned earlier, these three different designations make sense considering their differences which followed along with the regular Road Glide models.

[Grizzly]

A friend of mine bought the Limited in its first year of production. 2010 I believe. They came with the 103. Ultras only had the 96 in that year. Hence the designation "Limited".

Yes, that is true.  But once all touring models came with a 103 there wasn't much difference between a so called Limited and a regular Ultra.  With the 14's they have downgraded the Ultra's and left the Limited's with all the goodies, so now there is a difference again - in the regular lineup.

However, in the CVO or (Screamin' Eagle if you will) lineup there is only a Limited and it is the same as a 13 Ultra SE, so why change the name?

Personally I feel after they all went to 103's they should have dropped the name Limited all together for a few years at least then the Limited owners would feel that they really had something special.  With the 14's they should have called the Ultra Limited simply an Ultra and reintroduced the EG Classic what they are now calling an Ultra... Some Ultra with no CB and the smaller infotainment screen???

I guess I just have a different mindset on what the term Ultra and Limited mean.

[Rooster]

A friend of mine bought the Limited in its first year of production. 2010 I believe. They came with the 103. Ultras only had the 96 in that year. Hence the designation "Limited".

The Limited's were also two tone paint jobs. No solid colors or custom paint jobs

[Grizzly]

Okay, I'll give you that they were all hard bags.  But the Custom's were leather wrapped and different enough to be designated a Custom.  As was the Ultra's with the KTP considering the RG's didn't come with any TP.

As mentioned earlier, these three different designations make sense considering their differences which followed along with the regular Road Glide models.

Sorry Firedood,

You are absolutely correct and I stand corrected... Just goes to show you how confusing this all can be!

I just went back onto the H-D site to check the history of CVO's and of course you can see by my previous post that I was confusing the Road Glide Custom with the Road King Custom.  Dah, I'll be alright.

Just to make it more confusing...
in 2002 & 2003 H-D had a Screamin' Eagle Road King with hard bags
in 2007 & 2008 H-D had a Screamin' Eagle Road King with leather wrapped bags (with no designation difference as one would think)
in 2013 & 2014 H-D reintroduces the Road King with hard bags again only now it is called simply a "CVO" Road King

This of course lends credit to the originator of this threads question.  Why are the 2013's and 14's not listed as a CVO?

BTW, where's the fellow with the Road King that started all this?  Did we answer his question or just confuse him more?