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CVO Social => Off Topic => Topic started by: Chief on September 28, 2007, 09:07:36 AM

Title: Do you carry?
Post by: Chief on September 28, 2007, 09:07:36 AM
If so, what do you do when you travel?

:indian_chief:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on September 28, 2007, 09:11:36 AM
Kimber ACP Ultra Carry .45, Federal Talon.

Miker
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: mr_magoo on September 28, 2007, 09:15:49 AM
Khar pm9mm with federal hydra shock.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: SCRM-R on September 28, 2007, 09:32:25 AM
Keltec .380 Auto with laser sight, or S&W Centennial .38 5-shot revolver.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Ghost Rider on September 28, 2007, 09:40:57 AM
Tippmann 98 custom with 10 inch barrel. :rifle:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Chief on September 28, 2007, 09:48:53 AM
Tippmann 98 custom with 10 inch barrel. :rifle:

Is that a Tippmann 98 custom with 10 inch barrel in your pocket, or are you just glad to see me?

I'm really interested in what everyone does when travelling. Is it don't ask, don't tell, or do you leave at home when on long trips?

:indian_chief:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: porthole on September 28, 2007, 10:07:49 AM
I live in New Jersey.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: TN on September 28, 2007, 10:18:55 AM
wouldn't leave home without it.

i'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

i do have a cwp, it only makes me more liable....i pratice saying i felt my life was in danger.



Be Safe


TN
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: VAZHOG on September 28, 2007, 10:21:07 AM
I carry a Verizon Wireless cellphone.

Don't Shoot me or I'll Call somebody  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on September 28, 2007, 10:22:26 AM
Is that a Tippmann 98 custom with 10 inch barrel in your pocket, or are you just glad to see me?

I'm really interested in what everyone does when travelling. Is it don't ask, don't tell, or do you leave at home when on long trips?

:indian_chief:

I don't ask, don't tell and avoid any "showing" or appearance of having cw. I have been accosted by leo's before with them mistaking my cel phone for a cw.  The cw was on the other hip, dumb-asses.

Always check the states you are traveling to or through for reciprocity on a cwp because some states do not reciprocate the cwp of your home state and occasionally leo's will ask if you are carrying if you are detained during a traffic stop.  Please become aware of the rules as they apply to your home state, I ain't no lawyer I just live in the "Gunshine" State.

Miker  
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: VAZHOG on September 28, 2007, 10:23:08 AM
Don't ask and Don't Tell - Do I or Don't I ?










An Armed Society is a polite Society  ;)
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Hoist! on September 28, 2007, 10:23:14 AM
Not in NYC, no way no how, unless you're a cop. Damn near impossible to get pistol permits anymore. :nixweiss:

Hoist! 8)
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on September 28, 2007, 10:24:50 AM
wouldn't leave home without it.

i'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

i do have a cwp, it only makes me more liable....i pratice saying i felt my life was in danger.



Be Safe


TN

Yupper!,

"Officer, I felt I was in danger for my life and would like to speak to my lawyer".

Make sure there is no one to sue you for disability too.

Miker
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: naitram on September 28, 2007, 10:26:21 AM
double tap, make sure he cant appear in court, to dipsute your side of the story
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Chief on September 28, 2007, 10:28:04 AM
I don't ask, don't tell and avoid any "showing" or appearance of having cw. I have been accosted by leo's before with them mistaking my cel phone for a cw.  The cw was on the other hip, dumb-asses.

Always check the states you are traveling to or through for reciprocity on a cwp because some states do not reciprocate the cwp of your home state and occasionally leo's will ask if you are carrying if you are detained during a traffic stop.  Please become aware of the rules as they apply to your home state, I ain't no lawyer I just live in the "Gunshine" State.

Miker  

That's the basis of my question. Because of reciprocity, what do you do if you're going to be travelling through a state that does not honor your cwp?

:indian_chief:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: VAZHOG on September 28, 2007, 10:28:13 AM
Yupper!,

"Officer, I felt I was in danger for my life and would like to speak to my lawyer".

Make sure there is no one to sue you for disability too.

Miker

Should you have to shoot always empty the gun (that proves you were very frightend) and it is way cheaper to bury someone than care for them than a  long term disability. ;)
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Hoist! on September 28, 2007, 10:29:29 AM
Should you have to shoot always empty the gun (that proves you were very frightend) and it is way cheaper to bury someone than care for them than a  long term disability. ;)

Yeap, and dead men tell no lies! ;)

Hoist! 8)
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: VAZHOG on September 28, 2007, 10:31:28 AM
That's the basis of my question. Because of reciprocity, what do you do if you're going to be travelling through a state that does not honor your cwp?

:indian_chief:

Be prepared to post bail and return for your court appearance.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Fired00d on September 28, 2007, 10:32:10 AM
Is that a Tippmann 98 custom with 10 inch barrel in your pocket, or are you just glad to see me?

I'm really interested in what everyone does when travelling. Is it don't ask, don't tell, or do you leave at home when on long trips?

:indian_chief:
;)

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: naitram on September 28, 2007, 10:33:34 AM
That's the basis of my question. Because of reciprocity, what do you do if you're going to be travelling through a state that does not honor your cwp?

:indian_chief:


its not always that simple. its not just state to state but some local ordinaces you need to deal with as well. places like boston for intance. who decided that MA law ( already the strcitest in the US ) didnt go far enough
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: 16HD117 on September 28, 2007, 10:35:01 AM
I usually carry two.

In the tour pack: Springfield XD45 Compact  http://www.springfield-armory.com/xd.php?model=23

Pocket:  Smith & Wesson 342PD Titanium .38: http://www.gunblast.com/SW_342PD.htm
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Talon on September 28, 2007, 10:41:22 AM
Tippmann 98 custom with 10 inch barrel. :rifle:

I play paintball too, we go to the mtns a lot, here's some of our team at a friends paintball field.

Tippmann 98C Bigshot 9" barrel, dye grips, and shadow cocker.

I carry a 38 special, or my Ruger 45.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Chief on September 28, 2007, 10:43:48 AM
I play paintball too, we go to the mtns a lot, here's some of our team at a friends paintball field.

Tippmann 98C Bigshot 9" barrel, dye grips, and shadow cocker.

I carry a 38 special, or my Ruger 45.

Slightly off-topic, but I've often yearned for a paintball gun at times on the road. It would be nice to be able to mark the idiots on the road so others would know what to expect.

:indian_chief:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on September 28, 2007, 10:43:55 AM
That's the basis of my question. Because of reciprocity, what do you do if you're going to be travelling through a state that does not honor your cwp?

:indian_chief:

Then I will not carry a firearm concealed on my person.  

Try this link.


http://www.handgunlaw.us/LicMaps/ccwmap.php

Miker
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Chief on September 28, 2007, 10:47:49 AM
I usually carry two.

In the tour pack: Springfield XD45 Compact  http://www.springfield-armory.com/xd.php?model=23

Pocket:  Smith & Wesson 342PD Titanium .38: http://www.gunblast.com/SW_342PD.htm

Well, this one's for me.

Quote
The Smith & Wesson J-frame .38 Special has been around for over fifty years now in its original "Chief’s Special" configuration. Since then, S&W has added many variations of the original, but the J-frame line of thirty-eights is still the standard to which all other small frame revolvers are compared.

:indian_chief:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Chief on September 28, 2007, 10:50:08 AM
Then I will not carry a firearm concealed on my person.  

Try this link.


http://www.handgunlaw.us/LicMaps/ccwmap.php

Miker

The information in that map is what originated this thread. If you look at Georgia, it appears as there are a lot of people that don't want me carrying in their state.

Is it something we did?

:indian_chief:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Midnight Rider on September 28, 2007, 10:52:25 AM
I have been told by more than one LEO to NEVER say anything other than you were in fear for your life.  It is their job to try and get the story from you, but if it is obviously self defense, say nothing.  In the state of mind one is in after an event like that, it is never a good idea to try and recall the sequence...give yourself time to settle down and think rationally.

I was also advised to empty the chamber in the chest cavity.  If you're going to shoot, shoot to kill, otherwise don't bother carrying the weapon.

There is no good answer to carrying across jurisdictions...they may or may not honor the permit.  You just take your chances.

Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: electraglideclyde on September 28, 2007, 10:53:37 AM
 Sig Sauer 239  .40 caliber / Glock 23 .40 caliber.  Never leave home without it.  All the bad guys have guns, I'm just trying to level the playing field.  I practice and am proficient.  I feel I have a better chance than some crackhead trying to shoot with the gun sideways.  It seems no place is safe anymore.  Here in the Atlanta area, they are even robbing Waffle Houses.  Besided, I usually ride with two LEO's and I'm just back-up.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Chief on September 28, 2007, 10:55:46 AM
Sig Sauer 239  .40 caliber / Glock 23 .40 caliber.  Never leave home without it.  All the bad guys have guns, I'm just trying to level the playing field.  I practice and am proficient.  I feel I have a better chance than some crackhead trying to shoot with the gun sideways.  It seems no place is safe anymore.  Here in the Atlanta area, they are even robbing Waffle Houses.  Besided, I usually ride with two LEO's and I'm just back-up.


In case they run out of ammo?  :D

:indian_chief:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: electraglideclyde on September 28, 2007, 10:56:30 AM
Sig Sauer 239  .40 caliber / Glock 23 .40 caliber.  Never leave home without it.  All the bad guys have guns, I'm just trying to level the playing field.  I practice and am proficient.  I feel I have a better chance than some crackhead trying to shoot with the gun sideways.  It seems no place is safe anymore.  Here in the Atlanta area, they are even robbing Waffle Houses.  Besided, I usually ride with two LEO's and I'm just back-up.


P.S. The old military rule applies.  Never draw your weapon unless you intend to fire.  Never fire your weapon unless you intend to kill.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Chief on September 28, 2007, 10:58:06 AM
Still one of my all time favorite stickers:

(http://bumperart.com/ProductImages/2004011134_Display-35.gif)

:indian_chief:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on September 28, 2007, 11:07:39 AM
The information in that map is what originated this thread. If you look at Georgia, it appears as there are a lot of people that don't want me carrying in their state.

Is it something we did?

:indian_chief:

I don't know what happened with Georgians, I find them most accommodating.  When I have to drive through the nonreciprocal state I would remove the weapon from my person and store it unloaded and locked in a secure box in the vehicle.

I do know you don't want to be too many places down here without one or even two!
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: MikeD on September 28, 2007, 11:44:01 AM
either a Glock 22, or a titanium Smith and Wesson 38 special, snub nose on the ankle, I'm a former LEO but still in the reserves, so I can carry across the states.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: SBB on September 28, 2007, 11:52:55 AM
P.S. The old military rule applies.  Never draw your weapon unless you intend to fire.  Never fire your weapon unless you intend to kill.


Exactly!


Sig 229 in 357.
If I'm there it is also.


 :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Talon on September 28, 2007, 12:16:54 PM
If I could only find a way to mount a 50 cal on the bike! ;D
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Ironhorse on September 28, 2007, 12:21:24 PM
Don't Shoot me or I'll Call somebody  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

No, no, no. It goes like this.

"Don't shoot, or I'll take a video of you with my phone camera, and send the clip along with a text message directly to You-Tube".
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Ironhorse on September 28, 2007, 12:24:00 PM
P.S. The old military rule applies.  Never draw your weapon unless you intend to fire.  Never fire your weapon unless you intend to kill.

An old timer I worked with used to say:

"Never draw in anger, never holster in fear"

I always got a kick out of that one.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on September 28, 2007, 12:30:32 PM
This may be easier to mount, certainly cheaper to shoot and bet the message would get across.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Chief on September 28, 2007, 12:33:53 PM
No, no, no. It goes like this.

"Don't shoot, or I'll take a video of you with my phone camera, and send the clip along with a text message directly to You-Tube".

First round is for the phone!

:indian_chief:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Talon on September 28, 2007, 12:48:39 PM
This may be easier to mount, certainly cheaper to shoot and bet the message would get across.

That's cool, what is it?
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on September 28, 2007, 01:34:13 PM
.17 hmr, nasty little round...Wonder if it would fit in a fairing? :huepfenjump3:

Miker
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Free on September 28, 2007, 01:51:41 PM
An interesting topic.

i have thought about this quite a bit lately because i may be motocycling camping with my son for a week or two and feel like i should have something for an emergency.  I like the snubnose S&W 38 hammerless due to its size.  Curious what other ones you would recommend for this type of application.

Free
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on September 28, 2007, 01:54:40 PM
I am going to pick-up one of these for camp.  Nasty.

Miker
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on September 28, 2007, 01:55:51 PM
Oop, sorry, it is a Taurus 410 shot 45 colt combo, that shouls slow down and hogs or bears.

Miker
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Free on September 28, 2007, 02:12:54 PM
Oop, sorry, it is a Taurus 410 shot 45 colt combo, that shouls slow down and hogs or bears.

Miker

Miker

how would that compare with a S&W 38. Bigger slug but heavier? which would be easier to shoot?

Free
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: BigMike on September 28, 2007, 02:16:59 PM
Never carried on the bike, but I never leave for a road trip in the car without it.  The rules in each state are so different, I just put it in my bag and don't worry about it. 

Glock Model 19 9mm w/black talon hollow points 15+1
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: LRebel on September 28, 2007, 02:32:27 PM
Sturm Ruger P89 (9mm w/ two 18 shot clips --> great poor mans gun).

Here in Oklahoma a good upstanding lawabiding citizen can get a concealed weapon license>>> And we like it that way!

If you have a concealed carry license, you need to be aware of not only what the law is in states you may visit, you must also be aware of where you can and can not carry in your state (example: schools, federal buildings, court,....).

If I visit a state that does not recognize my Okla. conceal carry license, I store it away in a bag in the tourpak and then behave myself.

Don't leave home without it
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Talon on September 28, 2007, 02:34:08 PM
Never carried on the bike, but I never leave for a road trip in the car without it.  The rules in each state are so different, I just put it in my bag and don't worry about it. 

Glock Model 19 9mm w/black talon hollow points 15+1

Like stated before, it's not even by state, it can be city or county laws. Denver has a strict law on guns, some hunters have gotten in trouble just traveling thru Denver. But in most of Colorado you can carry a gun in a holster almost anywhere, as long as it's not concealed.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Midnight Rider on September 28, 2007, 02:43:22 PM
Miker

how would that compare with a S&W 38. Bigger slug but heavier? which would be easier to shoot?

Free

Not speaking for Miker...

The 45 will be heavier, and have more kick to it generally.  I have the S&W Titanium 38 hammerless.  I like it because it is so light and compact.  If you put the right kind of round in it, it will kick ass and take names. I also have an old Chief's Special that stays by my bedside. Would a 38 or 45 stop a Grizzly bear...no, but neither will any handgun, unless it's got a 9 inch barrel with a scope so you can start shooting when the bear is 100 yards away.  All a handgun is going to do with a large mammal is piss him/her off.

It's the two legged mammals we need to worry about, and a 38 +P with a nice round in it will do more than enough damage.  If a couple of chest shots don't stop 'em, blow their kneecaps off, then finish the job.  If it takes more than 5 shots, you're screwed anyway, 'cause they'll be on top of you.

Another nice handgun, IMO, is a Walther PPK in stainless.  380 round (like a 9mm short), 9 shot, and you can put it in your back pocket.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on September 28, 2007, 03:17:53 PM
Anything nasty enough for a nasty job is no joy to shoot,  I had a 44mag in 2 1/2 inch for trailing in N Cali years ago...
Horrible to shoot but would put a hole in anything if it didn't the noise and flash would scare anything...

The 410-45 can have stopping power in rifled slug/45 colt or you pepper them with shot and let them live...

My Kimber(personal favorite speaking) is very accurate with a match grade barrel an small enough to carry.
With 45 hydrashock it'll penetrate and make a mess out of most stuff. 

I still am going to  get the 410-45 for rattle snake dipersal at my NFla camp. Scatter guns are best for that kinda duty imho of course.  Guns are like tater chips, cain't have just one!

Miker
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Talon on September 28, 2007, 03:26:42 PM
Not speaking for Miker...

The 45 will be heavier, and have more kick to it generally.  I have the S&W Titanium 38 hammerless.  I like it because it is so light and compact.  If you put the right kind of round in it, it will kick ass and take names. I also have an old Chief's Special that stays by my bedside. Would a 38 or 45 stop a Grizzly bear...no, but neither will any handgun, unless it's got a 9 inch barrel with a scope so you can start shooting when the bear is 100 yards away.  All a handgun is going to do with a large mammal is piss him/her off.

It's the two legged mammals we need to worry about, and a 38 +P with a nice round in it will do more than enough damage.  If a couple of chest shots don't stop 'em, blow their kneecaps off, then finish the job.  If it takes more than 5 shots, you're screwed anyway, 'cause they'll be on top of you.

Another nice handgun, IMO, is a Walther PPK in stainless.  380 round (like a 9mm short), 9 shot, and you can put it in your back pocket.

For home defence a 38 S, or a 9mm is probably about right, the bigger guns can go right thru someone or thru a wall and possibly hit someone else in the house.  22L can be deadly because many times they ricochet around off bones causing more damage. My daughter has a 38S derringer. 
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Coolbreeze on September 28, 2007, 03:39:15 PM
I carry.  period.  Legally at home and in most surroundig states, illegally in the others.  My theory is.... If the gun is well concealed, no one knows it's there.  AND  If I behave like I should, I NEVER have confrontational contact with LE.  AND  When I do have contact with LE, I behave myself and am respectfull and respectable and haven't had trouble there either.  (Doesn't mean it can't happen, but so far I've come out just fine) 

Then again, I think that anybody that trys to take our guns away from us should be brutally raped by a LARGE band of passing camels and then be repeatedly shot with VERY VERY small guns until thier eventual expiration .  Not that I have MUCH of an opinion  on this subject you know, but , well, you know, a passing thought anyway.....
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Talon on September 28, 2007, 04:09:57 PM
I carry.  period.  Legally at home and in most surroundig states, illegally in the others.  My theory is.... If the gun is well concealed, no one knows it's there.  AND  If I behave like I should, I NEVER have confrontational contact with LE.  AND  When I do have contact with LE, I behave myself and am respectfull and respectable and haven't had trouble there either.  (Doesn't mean it can't happen, but so far I've come out just fine) 

Then again, I think that anybody that trys to take our guns away from us should be brutally raped by a LARGE band of passing camels and then be repeatedly shot with VERY VERY small guns until thier eventual expiration .  Not that I have MUCH of an opinion  on this subject you know, but , well, you know, a passing thought anyway.....


I agree!  :soapbox:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Midnight Rider on September 28, 2007, 04:10:40 PM
For home defence a 38 S, or a 9mm is probably about right, the bigger guns can go right thru someone or thru a wall and possibly hit someone else in the house.  22L can be deadly because many times they ricochet around off bones causing more damage. My daughter has a 38S derringer. 

A sweet, sweet little auto is the Walther 22L...it is so thin that it will literally fit into your rear jean pocket like a wallet.  Talon is correct...a 22L can do some damage, particularly if you can get 7 or 8 in them quickly.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: mr_magoo on September 28, 2007, 05:09:34 PM
This may help some people, Utah has reciprocity with 29 state and issues non resident permits.  We have a gentlemen here in Oregon that gives the classes for Utah.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Unbalanced on September 28, 2007, 06:49:11 PM
Bike/Car the Glock 27 (40)  The Glocks hold up to the heat / sweating / moisture very well.

for carrying it is usually the H&K P7M13 (9mm)
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Coolbreeze on September 28, 2007, 06:50:50 PM
This may help some people, Utah has reciprocity with 29 state and issues non resident permits.  We have a gentlemen here in Oregon that gives the classes for Utah.
Heeellooooo!!!!  That sounds very nice.  Would you be so kind as to post or pm the contact info for this gentleman?
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: murphy on September 28, 2007, 07:04:30 PM
Maybe Moco will include a holster or strorage safe option on the 09s!

Wasn't aware that so many of you were carring... is this something unique with CVO dudes?

I'm LEO up here in Canada... can tell you that all the bad guys are better armed than us.

Never say you were in fear for your life, always say you were going to be murdered. Sounds more final.

Can tell you from experience, that in a gunfight things go really fast and are very dynamic, best of luck with the whole double tap process.... goes out the window when the lead starts flying.

No one deserves to be murdered.... but some people need to be killed.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: REGGAB on September 28, 2007, 07:08:28 PM
H&K USP .40 S&W, CORBON 165gr JHP; Walther P22, CCI Mini Mag
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Fired00d on September 28, 2007, 07:12:34 PM
Then I will not carry a firearm concealed on my person.  

Try this link.


http://www.handgunlaw.us/LicMaps/ccwmap.php

Miker
Just to make sure I understand this correctly. On this map you enter the state(s) you have a CWP in, and all the states that come up blue honor the state(s) CWP you were issued?

If that is the case I wouldn't mind getting a permit from Utah also if they issued "Non Resident" permits.

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: BlueFlames on September 28, 2007, 07:32:32 PM
Usually carry Baby Eagle 40 S/W w/ Federal 180Gr. Hydr Shock or Taurus 7-shot 357 w/ in stainless.  Have cwp but lots of areas around No.Va. where it doesn't apply.  Have "accidentally" traveled through states that don't have reciprocity with no problems.

Did have an intersting encounter a few years ago though that made me very nervous- was heading to a full honors funeral at Arlington for a close friend.  Having not been there for many years did not realize the only way to get to where I was going was through the military base entrance.  Exited the highway to the entrance and entered the base only to find a checkpoint where they were doing thorough car searches and the signs clearly stated no weapons.  Couldn't have turned around at that point if I wanted to and would not have missed the funeral anyway.  When I made it to the guard I immediately explained that I had a weapon in the car, showed him my permit and explained how important it was for me to make it to the funeral.  He spoke to his superior who let me park my car in the closest lot on the base to the entrance and then called for an MP to drive me to where I needed to be and came back and picked me up at the end.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: BlueFlames on September 28, 2007, 07:35:26 PM

If that is the case I wouldn't mind getting a permit from Utah also if they issued "Non Resident" permits.

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
[/quote]

Somewhere I have the name of a guy in NOVA who teaches the required Utah class.  I will find it and post.  Was planning on taking it and then the range in Woodbridge where he taught burned up.  Forgot about it after that.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Glide-man on September 28, 2007, 07:47:18 PM
Springfield XD 9 mm, with Remington Golden Saber 9mm Luger9 (+P)  Hollow Point 10 in clip 1 in chamber. 8)  And TRU DOT night sights.
 I'm very respectful to LEO, having many in my family.
I carry everywhere  (and travel) except work
 I have been known-ed to mow my yard packing.  (Warning if you have CCl. First words out of your mouth after being pulled over and answering Officers initial questions should be. I have a CCl and I'm carring now, It's on my right hip or where ever you have it)
. Last time I was stopped Officer told me they have pulled 5 guy's CCL's and weapons for not notifying officer they were packing so far this year. " I would rather have and not need, than need and not have".  Some dip chit in Cleveland beat a gastation attendant with a brick for over 5 minuets while 4 people stood by and watched.  The guy got tied of beating the attendant in the head and stopped to rest before statring up again.  I now have 10 rounds  in my clip.....
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Fired00d on September 28, 2007, 07:48:13 PM
Somewhere I have the name of a guy in NOVA who teaches the required Utah class.  I will find it and post.  Was planning on taking it and then the range in Woodbridge where he taught burned up.  Forgot about it after that.
Thanks. :2vrolijk_21:

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on September 28, 2007, 11:13:58 PM
Miker

how would that compare with a S&W 38. Bigger slug but heavier? which would be easier to shoot?

Free

I'll let you know when I get one...My 410 bird gun don't kick much,  I have never fired a slug through it but I've seen what it does to doves and tassle cane tops (mostly cane tops).

I have a benelli m4 gas op that with 3 1/2 mag load will make you sore with 6 pulls of the trigger and turn melons n mud into mist. Its a hoot.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on September 28, 2007, 11:17:16 PM
Just to make sure I understand this correctly. On this map you enter the state(s) you have a CWP in, and all the states that come up blue honor the state(s) CWP you were issued?

If that is the case I wouldn't mind getting a permit from Utah also if they issued "Non Resident" permits.

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:


Hell, I don't know, it wouldn't be on the inner net ifin it weren't true would it? :confused5:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: ccr on September 29, 2007, 03:45:01 AM
Don't ask and Don't Tell - Do I or Don't I ?





An Armed Society is a polite Society  ;)
And every time I've met you, you have been Oh So Polite.

 :huepfenjump3:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: VaEagle on September 29, 2007, 12:43:50 PM
Lot's of great advice in the previous posts. I just want to add my .02 to the mix. It is improtant to research the Concealed Weapons Laws in the areas you plan to travel in since they all vary so much. Such as in Virginia you can NOT carry a weapon in a church even with a permit and there are other locations too. Most states laws can be found on the web through the NRA or by each state's State Police or legislature website.
The "fear for your life defense" is the best to use if it can be shown that the suspect had the means and opportunity to use deadly force on you and you did NOT have another choice. You will need to articulate that to the authorities .(with the help of an attorney hopefully)
The phrase "Shoot to kill" is so popular in our culture and even used by police in officer involved shootings. Yet it can cause you problems if the "Victim's" family/attorney ask you if that is how you trained and you answer yes...It now makes you look like a "trained killer" not someone defending themselves from the other person's aggressive and deadly behavior. You need to stop using that phrase and use something along the lines like I wanted to stop him from his attack on me as rapidly as possible. (Same end result for him, you just come across as a person defending yourself.)
As far as carry on a bike, i would keep a weapon on my person as opposed to on the bike since it always a trade-off of access vs. security and there are no real secure vault choices on a bike and if you walk away from your bike and some criminal is closer to the bike you may have just armed him. A weapon for defense is no good if you can't reach it and use it rapidly when you need it.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: VaEagle on September 29, 2007, 01:21:46 PM
Now if you have decided to carry a firearm , you should try to stick with one weapon style and one method of carry. This will help build muscle memory and under stress you will reach instintively to the same spot and activate the weapon in the same manner without thinking about how the weapon functions today vs. what you may have carried yesterday etc. It would be a shame if a shooting situation arose and all you grabbed was a love handle or armpit hair instead of your gun.Then get in lots of pratice wearing what you would in everyday carry. Jackets/chaps, boots etc. Also try different positions as if you were seated on the bike or in a car/truck. How easy is the weapon to draw?
Look at the average shooting situation and you will realize that they are fast,short distance and usually one or two on one. There are always strange senarios where one guy is against a gang at 100 yards but that is rare. You also are not very likely to fire more than a few rounds so make it count with accuracy but hit with the largest caliber you can accurately hit your intended target. Remember that person will not just drop like in the movies with one shot but the bigger the caliber the more likely it will happen with less rounds. You will be held legally responible for each and every shot you fire so overpenetration or a stray round hitting a bystander is a concern of course.
When carrying a weapon you need to be concerned with maintenace more frequently due to weather and things like sweat. The finnish should be very durable and not shiny so it will be less visible to others when you want it concealed.
I personally like the Glock model 36 as a potent package that is concealable and durable and accurate.
Caliber
.45 AUTO
System
Safe Action
   
 LENGTH
6.77in/172mm
HEIGHT
4.76in/121mm
   
 WIDTH
1.13in/28.5mm
Barrel Height
1.26in/32mm
   
 Line of Sight
6.18in/157mm

 
Barrel LENGTH
3.78in/96mm
   
 WEIGHT
20.11oz/570g
LOADED (~)
26.99oz/765g
   
 Mag. Capacity
6
Magazine Mass
Empty: 2.40oz./68g
Full: ~6.88oz/~195g
 
   
 Trigger Pull
5.5lbs/2.5kg
Trigger Travel
0.5in/12.5mm
   Expressly "thinned" for maximum concealability, its frame designed for an easy reach to the trigger for even the shortest adult fingers, this 7-shot .45 Auto is built with "maximum concealment with maximum power" in mind.
 
 Barrel Rifling
right hand, Octagonal
Length of Twist
9.84in/250mm
   
 Internal Locking System
Available
Number of Safeties
3
 
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Copper/Black Cvo on September 29, 2007, 01:30:31 PM
Interesting thread...
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: skippy on September 29, 2007, 08:08:23 PM
Why yes carry a S&W 38 Chief or 357 S&W   sometimes my Colt 1911  but like the 38 or 357  they are easy to conceal and always reliable...
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Jock on September 29, 2007, 09:17:34 PM
While traveling Tauris 38 special
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: MJZ on September 29, 2007, 10:29:52 PM
Springfield XD 9 mm, with Remington Golden Saber 9mm Luger9 (+P)  Hollow Point 10 in clip 1 in chamber. 8)  And TRU DOT night sights.
 I'm very respectful to LEO, having many in my family.
I carry everywhere  (and travel) except work
 I have been known-ed to mow my yard packing.  (Warning if you have CCl. First words out of your mouth after being pulled over and answering Officers initial questions should be. I have a CCl and I'm carring now, It's on my right hip or where ever you have it)
. Last time I was stopped Officer told me they have pulled 5 guy's CCL's and weapons for not notifying officer they were packing so far this year. " I would rather have and not need, than need and not have".  Some dip chit in Cleveland beat a gastation attendant with a brick for over 5 minuets while 4 people stood by and watched.  The guy got tied of beating the attendant in the head and stopped to rest before statring up again.  I now have 10 rounds  in my clip.....

BINGO! :2vrolijk_21: I agree, when pulled over anywhere for any reason, that is the first thing out of my mouth. In some instances (Fl. HP for one) the officer asked as soon as he approached the vehicle but if they don't ask, tell them.
I carry either a Beretta M9 or a S & W (J frame) "Centennial" 357 always, bike or car, trips and locally. I have both a CWP and a county reserve deputy badge and ID, I've never had a problem traveling but as I said above, the first words out of my mouth are to state that I am carrying whenever I am pulled over. For many years I carried the S & W inside the pants belt clip but with age has come more than a few extra pounds and it became too uncomfortable. Now either ankle in summer or the rest of the year, in coat.
Interesting topic, glad you brought it up Chief. :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: harleyteam on September 29, 2007, 10:48:49 PM
in answer to the original question,,, YES,,, anywhere I want. screw the laws.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: displacing air on September 29, 2007, 11:29:19 PM
Sig Pro .40
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: cuthbertss on September 30, 2007, 10:40:08 AM
BINGO! :2vrolijk_21: I agree, when pulled over anywhere for any reason, that is the first thing out of my mouth. In some instances (Fl. HP for one) the officer asked as soon as he approached the vehicle but if they don't ask, tell them.
I carry either a Beretta M9 or a S & W (J frame) "Centennial" 357 always, bike or car, trips and locally. I have both a CWP and a county reserve deputy badge and ID, I've never had a problem traveling but as I said above, the first words out of my mouth are to state that I am carrying whenever I am pulled over. For many years I carried the S & W inside the pants belt clip but with age has come more than a few extra pounds and it became too uncomfortable. Now either ankle in summer or the rest of the year, in coat.
Interesting topic, glad you brought it up Chief. :2vrolijk_21:

Excellent points here..and with HR218, I can carry anywhere..... my question is more along the lines of where you carry?  Waistband seems impractical on the bike...  I have a crotch holster which in theory works on the bike.. it just the thought of a loaded gun pointed at the boys that slows me down on that one...i've done the vest/ jacket pocket carry, but i find that even my G27 is too freakin heavy to do that with..appreciate your input

Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Fired00d on September 30, 2007, 12:03:30 PM
Excellent points here..and with HR218, I can carry anywhere..... my question is more along the lines of where you carry?  Waistband seems impractical on the bike...  I have a crotch holster which in theory works on the bike.. it just the thought of a loaded gun pointed at the boys that slows me down on that one...i've done the vest/ jacket pocket carry, but i find that even my G27 is too freakin heavy to do that with..appreciate your input


What about the fanny packs w/built in holsters? :nixweiss:

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: cuthbertss on September 30, 2007, 12:35:45 PM
What about the fanny packs w/built in holsters? :nixweiss:

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
a few challenges with these..not the least of which everyone sees it knows its a holster
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Jock on September 30, 2007, 01:44:00 PM
Anyone got any good ideas how I can pack my Dad's Winchester Model 70 Super grade on LD ? Just kidding,  ;D
BB



 ;D
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: FLTRCVO on September 30, 2007, 01:56:24 PM
If so, what do you do when you travel?

:indian_chief:

Para Ordnance P14-45 / Sig Sauer P 245 Notify the different Counties and Sherriffs prior to traveling I will be traveling. Being retired from the job (ATF), I don't have any problems.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: MJZ on September 30, 2007, 02:45:04 PM
Anyone got any good ideas how I can pack my Dad's Winchester Model 70 Super grade on LD ? Just kidding,  ;D I do want to get out and shoot a few rounds with it.  Last I knew, Dad had it dialed in around 300-400yds. The B&L scope is a monster. I sighted it in at my house yesterday and could read the label on the beer my neighbor a 1/2 mile away was drinking.Talked to Hank about going out too the desert to dial it in again soon. I'd like to see if I can still keep a clip in the black at 400yds. Dad taught me that when I was a teenager. Can't shoot a handgun worth a chit, but a nice rifle with a scope is a thing of beauty. Anyone know where I can get some hypervelocity .270-140 grain rounds. I know Winchester makes the ammo, but not in hypervelocity.

BB



HUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM, this family lives down the street with a couple of twin daughters about 19 years old and ........... :oops: didn't mean to say that with my out loud voice. ;D ;D
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: skreminegul07 on September 30, 2007, 04:29:49 PM
Most of the time.   :coolblue:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: MJZ on September 30, 2007, 04:33:07 PM
Was just looking at the specs on both the G36 and the G27. I am surprised to see the G27 is lighter. I have been reluctant to spend the $$$ for a new Glock since I have had both the Beretta and S & W for many years. Wish I had not read this thread, there goes some of my chrome $$$.
 Also if you go to http://www.glockworld.com/holsters.htm
there is quite a selection of holsters. :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: charlie on September 30, 2007, 06:37:33 PM
I carry and have a license thats good in 22 states,I don't leave home with out it.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Bubba on September 30, 2007, 08:13:03 PM
Note to self    REMIND ME NOT TO PI$$ ANYONE of you guys OFF at any CVO Gathering!!!!

 ;D

~bubba~
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Chief on September 30, 2007, 08:19:32 PM
Note to self    REMIND ME NOT TO PI$$ ANYONE of you guys OFF at any CVO Gathering!!!!

 ;D

~bubba~

The way I look at it Bubba, with all this heat, I can save my $$$$ for other goodies. I'm feeling pretty safe with this crew!  ;D

:indian_chief:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Gettinold on September 30, 2007, 08:49:54 PM
Only when I'm loaded.  :-\
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: SBB on September 30, 2007, 08:50:45 PM

I can see it now.

The group goes to dinner.

When finished we walk back outside to leave.

Someone is in the process of stealing one of our bikes.

All of a sudden 15 guns pointed at his chest.

Think he would get the message?

 :nixweiss:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Gettinold on September 30, 2007, 08:55:37 PM
I can see it now.

The group goes to dinner.

When finished we walk back outside to leave.

Someone is in the process of stealing one of our bikes.

All of a sudden 15 guns pointed at his chest.

Think he would get the message?

 :nixweiss:

Thats an interesting subject. Wonder what the theft rate of motorcycles is in MV.  :nixweiss:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: SPIDERMAN on September 30, 2007, 10:00:24 PM
I can see it now.

The group goes to dinner.

When finished we walk back outside to leave.

Someone is in the process of stealing one of our bikes.

All of a sudden 15 guns pointed at his chest.

Think he would get the message?

 :nixweiss:

Yeah Chip, but the shot that drops him comes from ??????  There's a hole between his eyes about ._ _ _ in diameter that exits the back of his skull about the same diameter.

Course this is just campfire talk - - - - right ?

B B 
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on October 01, 2007, 08:52:12 AM
How about a nice old "grease gun" mounted through the fairing for traffic abatement?

Miker
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: grandpadoc on October 01, 2007, 10:37:46 AM
...S&W stainless 38 special. When stopped always pass the attitude test first and then declare it. Been through this a few times and have never had a problem.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: HogBreath on October 01, 2007, 04:15:29 PM
Carry???? Moi? I'm from Kentucky.

My last purchase was a S&W Stainless hammerless 38 Special with a 1" barrel. The laser sight was an additional $200 or so. This weapon is designed for close range...REAL close..like 2'. Stick it in somebody's gut and align the laser dot? Maybe for a 357 with a 6" barrel.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: BlueFlames on October 03, 2007, 05:27:58 PM
Dood,

Below is an email I received today from a gentleman who teaches the Utah permit class here in Northern Virginia.  His name is Bruce Jackson and his email address is 4utahpermits@gmail.com.

I have sent him my name and will sign up if the date works.

Doug

------------------------------------------------------------------
OK Folks!

I now have a blank slate and am looking for interested parties who wish to take either the VA class, the Utah class, or both.

Even if you have given me your name before, please resubmit it.
(Also, it would be nice if you would also tell me what classes you would like to take)

As of the writing of this message I have no names for either class.

So if you want a class sooner, forward this to your friends and family.

Cost of each class will be $75 if you prepay, $100 if you don't.
(sorry, but past no-shows have forced me to do this)

Once I have enough interested people I will pick a date and ask all those who have expressed an interest if they want to attend.  After a couple of days I will open the enrolment to the general public.

Class will be held in the North Stafford area (I-95 exit 143).

If you have any questions please feel free to email me.  And please include your telephone number as some answers are easier to talk about then to type.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Fired00d on October 03, 2007, 06:11:46 PM
Dood,

Below is an email I received today from a gentleman who teaches the Utah permit class here in Northern Virginia.  His name is Bruce Jackson and his email address is 4utahpermits@gmail.com.

I have sent him my name and will sign up if the date works.

Doug

------------------------------------------------------------------
OK Folks!

I now have a blank slate and am looking for interested parties who wish to take either the VA class, the Utah class, or both.

Even if you have given me your name before, please resubmit it.
(Also, it would be nice if you would also tell me what classes you would like to take)

As of the writing of this message I have no names for either class.

So if you want a class sooner, forward this to your friends and family.

Cost of each class will be $75 if you prepay, $100 if you don't.
(sorry, but past no-shows have forced me to do this)

Once I have enough interested people I will pick a date and ask all those who have expressed an interest if they want to attend.  After a couple of days I will open the enrolment to the general public.

Class will be held in the North Stafford area (I-95 exit 143).

If you have any questions please feel free to email me.  And please include your telephone number as some answers are easier to talk about then to type.

Thanks!

Thanks for the info. Let me know when you get a date in the interim I'm going to check the list to see if there is a instructor closer also. I've attached a list of instructors by state below. Anyone interested in the requirements to get a Utah CWP can look here - Utah Concealed Weapon Permit (http://bci.utah.gov/CFP/CFPHome.html).

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Fired00d on October 03, 2007, 06:13:03 PM
Utah Concealed Weapon Permit...

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: HogBreath on October 03, 2007, 07:28:57 PM
S&W 38 special hammerless
S&W 380 Auto Snubnose
Browning BLR 308
Browning BPS 12 Gauge 3" Magnum
Ruger 1022 Stainless with synthetic stock
TC 50 Cal Muzzleloader
AR 15 or is 14? 223 Caliber Rock River arms I think.

I carry them all with me everywhere on the bike.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Fired00d on October 03, 2007, 07:36:21 PM
S&W 38 special hammerless
S&W 380 Auto Snubnose
Browning BLR 308
Browning BPS 12 Gauge 3" Magnum
Ruger 1022 Stainless with synthetic stock
TC 50 Cal Muzzleloader
AR 15 or is 14? 223 Caliber Rock River arms I think.

I carry them all with me everywhere on the bike.
Ah hell I was expecting some wild a$$ picture to go along w/this description so I had to look at the post in the thread.

Ken I was expecting something to top the "goat utters". :huepfenlol2:

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: HogBreath on October 03, 2007, 07:43:35 PM
Ah hell I was expecting some wild a$$ picture to go along w/this description so I had to look at the post in the thread.

Ken I was expecting something to top the "goat utters". :huepfenlol2:

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Just for you dood. A picture of me killing a Washing machine back in the 80's.

now, if this head gasket leaks just ONE more drop.............
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: HogBreath on October 03, 2007, 07:47:22 PM
Whenever the law shouts..."DROP YOUR WEAPONS" around here, I can usually drink a cold beer before they all hit the ground.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Fired00d on October 03, 2007, 07:48:36 PM
Just for you dood. A picture of me killing a Washing machine back in the 80's.

now, if this head gasket leaks just ONE more drop.............
It's going to be in trouble. :nervous: According to your last post your arsenal has increased since you were killing/shooting washing machines. ;D

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: spydglide on October 03, 2007, 09:03:28 PM
Yes.  Always have.  Had a NC concealed carry since they started issueing them.  Lots of good advice in this thread, but it's whatever works for me....always at least one gun......depending on what I'm wearing ......  of different sizes/weight/calibers.  Most are autos....one small wheel gun.  The important thing I think, is to have one if you really need it.  No matter the caliber....like someone said: the larger the better if you will carry it, but smaller if necessary to carry it.  As in a jacket pocket....it's got to be light enough to not sag the jacket or it doesn't work.  Then you're looking at holsters.....most are not comfortable as those who wear them all the time will tell you.  So.....what ever works for you.  :jack: Har!  :drink: spyder
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: 2soaper on October 03, 2007, 09:13:17 PM
Carry once in a while, one of the below when I do:

S&W 340PD w/HIVIZ in 357Mag revolver (wieght 12oz in a small package)
KAHR MK9 9MM compact auto
SigArms P226 9mm with 16 shots

Tried the 454 casul but was hard to lean forward...........
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: SPIDERMAN on October 08, 2007, 06:01:23 PM
Proably as good a place as any for this. I've been roaming around the internet trying to get a sense of the value of the Model 70 Winchester I mentioned before. I hate to think of it, but if it got stolen or something I'd need to prove to my insurance company what the value was. Seems like the prices are all over the lot. I'm seeing anywhere from $600 to $1,600. What do you folks think ?

 My Dad bought it new in 1950, so it's a pre-64 as they say Winchester Model 70-270 Super Grade. 80% of new condition. Blueing is solid, stock is excellent, bore is clean , nice Bausch and Lomb scope. Has been kept cleaned and oiled.

B B
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: LRebel on October 08, 2007, 06:32:53 PM
Proably as good a place as any for this. I've been roaming around the internet trying to get a sense of the value of the Model 70 Winchester I mentioned before. I hate to think of it, but if it got stolen or something I'd need to prove to my insurance company what the value was. Seems like the prices are all over the lot. I'm seeing anywhere from $600 to $1,600. What do you folks think ?

 My Dad bought it new in 1950, so it's a pre-64 as they say Winchester Model 70-270 Super Grade. 80% of new condition. Blueing is solid, stock is excellent, bore is clean , nice Bausch and Lomb scope. Has been kept cleaned and oiled.

B B

If the gun was stolen or destroyed, your insurance company would not put much stock on our opinions here.

If the gun has any antique or collector value (and it sounds like it definitely does), you need to get an appraisal from someone qualified to do this type of appraisal (gun dealer most likely).  You then need to contact your insurance agent and tell him that you need to add "scheduled" coverage for this gun (he will know what "scheduled" coverage means).

Without "scheduled" coverage for this gun, your insurance company will not be obligated to pay the antique or collector value of your gun.  Most home insurance policies will only cover a specific amount for theft of guns (usually $1000 to $3000 - that's total for all guns not each gun).  If you are like me, the base amount of coverage on most home insurance policies will not go very far toward covering all of your guns.

This would also be a good time to talk with your agent about other items that may require scheduled or appraised coverage (jewelry, furs, antique items, baseball cards,...).
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: SPIDERMAN on October 08, 2007, 06:51:32 PM
Thanks for the post. I had it appraised in Maine which is how I got the 80% of new condition. That dealer quoted me $750. For what it's worth, the Winchester Model 70 is a working rifle very much in demand by hunters. You will find them for sale in almost any gun shop although the pre-64's are rare in Super Grade. The reason I posted this was because as I said I was roaming around on-line checking out different guns and I noticed Cabella's had a pre-64 Model 70-270 for $1,600. I looked at the pictures and it wasn't even a super grade and not in as good condition as the one I have. I have no intention of quoting people on this site to my insurance agent. What I am curious about is why the divergence in price between Maine and Michigan ?

B B
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: J.J. on October 10, 2007, 10:58:48 AM
Another option for a faring mount.   :nervous:

http://www.outdoorlife.com/outdoor/photogallery/article/0,20036,1270541_1572930,00.html

Click the big play button and get ready to  :huepfenlol2: your a$$ off!

Otherwise 92fs with Crimson.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: GaLonghair on October 16, 2007, 02:50:47 PM
The best old saying is "better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6"!! Fanny packs work well and I have never been challenged by LEO wearing one. A good one does not give away its load. Many people wear them so its hard for LEO to ? them all. I live in GA and they changed their cwp reciently so that more states recip. now. As said many times before in this thread, the laws vary so much from location to location that if you travel far, even with a cwp, you are probably going to break some bodys law.....I say to them tough Shirt. (refer to above old saying). I hope all of you toters are members of the NRA. If not you should be. If they get their way you will not have to worry about carry thru juristictions because the are working for a federal statute to cover everywhere.
Personally I like wheel guns for carry as they are less complicated and tolerate the less than ideal conditions on a bike better. The titanium S&Ws are great...love the 45 ACP myself. :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: HUBBARD on October 16, 2007, 03:56:54 PM
Yes.  Always have.  Had a NC concealed carry since they started issueing them.  Lots of good advice in this thread, but it's whatever works for me....always at least one gun......depending on what I'm wearing ......  of different sizes/weight/calibers.  Most are autos....one small wheel gun.  The important thing I think, is to have one if you really need it.  No matter the caliber....like someone said: the larger the better if you will carry it, but smaller if necessary to carry it.  As in a jacket pocket....it's got to be light enough to not sag the jacket or it doesn't work.  Then you're looking at holsters.....most are not comfortable as those who wear them all the time will tell you.  So.....what ever works for you.  :jack: Har!  :drink: spyder

'Am, spyder, I haven't heard that term in years!  I got rid of all my Automatics years ago.  I just like the sound of the action a "wheel gun", makes.  I carry a S&W Model 686 in Ol' Maudie's Tour-Pak, and a S&W Model 37, in my Leathers.  Hope I never have to pull 'em out in defense.  Found out the hard way, cwp's do not apply in Commercial Vehicles to civilians.  Having carried a concealed weapon most of my adult life, it's weird not having one with me when I take the "Big Rig" to the Races.  Oh well, I'm sure I could find something to defend myself and property, if need be.  ;) Again, hope I never have to.  Later--HUBBARD     
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: spydglide on October 16, 2007, 05:45:51 PM
'Am, spyder, I haven't heard that term in years!  I got rid of all my Automatics years ago.  I just like the sound of the action a "wheel gun", makes.  I carry a S&W Model 686 in Ol' Maudie's Tour-Pak, and a S&W Model 37, in my Leathers.  Hope I never have to pull 'em out in defense.  Found out the hard way, cwp's do not apply in Commercial Vehicles to civilians.  Having carried a concealed weapon most of my adult life, it's weird not having one with me when I take the "Big Rig" to the Races.  Oh well, I'm sure I could find something to defend myself and property, if need be.  ;) Again, hope I never have to.  Later--HUBBARD     
Absolutely, Hub!  but.....with the idiots out there today, it seems as if it is becoming more and more a possible reality.  'why can't we just all get along'?  :o har!  ;) spyder
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: courter on October 16, 2007, 09:27:43 PM
I agree -- hope I never have to use it.  Waiting for the OK from the gun board to get my permit, then I'll be legal.  (not carrying now w/o permit)

Anybody using the Para Carry .45ACP?  What do you think of it?  Is yours accurate?  Any other suggestions for a .40 or .45 carry without the "horn"?
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: RedBone on October 21, 2007, 10:11:53 PM
I do a 640 5 shot 357 hammerless stainless have for years with ccw can carry comforably in waist band with a tshirt and very concealable I live in Texas where Grandma Carries its great hec texas even put a express lane to the electric chair for some of these idiots Love Texas
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: RedRider on November 03, 2007, 10:47:02 PM
Excellent points here..and with HR218, I can carry anywhere..... my question is more along the lines of where you carry?  Waistband seems impractical on the bike...  I have a crotch holster which in theory works on the bike.. it just the thought of a loaded gun pointed at the boys that slows me down on that one...i've done the vest/ jacket pocket carry, but i find that even my G27 is too freakin heavy to do that with..appreciate your input


My leather vest has a zippered inside, deep chest pocket.  A kel-tec .380 is one of the smallest, lightest handguns and goes nicely unnoticed.  It is not cumbersome.  It is, in my experience, dependable, easily maintained and inexpensive.  I have fired boxes of rounds through the 8 round clip without jams.  When riding, I am not wrestling with my waist, ankle or small of my back. It is not a hassle to carry, and I can get to it quickly. (God forbid that would be necessary).  The gun is made in Cocoa, Fla.  Also comes in a .22 cal and can be purchased at most gun stores or all gun shows.  I know the common argument is I want a bigger caliber.....You gotta ask yourself.....will you consistently carry a big caliber, uncomfortable, harder to conceal weapon, or a hassle free, small easy to carry automatic, which by the way has no safety and no hammer to cock.  Safety is in the trigger pull. Quick access, reliable discharge, 8 rounds = dead bad guy.   Thats my .02 worth.           
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: MJZ on November 03, 2007, 11:58:12 PM
Went by the range today and tried a Glock 36, had no intention of getting one but just wanted to try it out.  :oops: it came home with me, complete with night sight and laser. And I thought this place only cost me $$$$ in chrome. ???
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: VaEagle on November 04, 2007, 10:08:59 AM
I agree -- hope I never have to use it.  Waiting for the OK from the gun board to get my permit, then I'll be legal.  (not carrying now w/o permit)

Anybody using the Para Carry .45ACP?  What do you think of it?  Is yours accurate?  Any other suggestions for a .40 or .45 carry without the "horn"?

You should look at the Glock model 36 -very accurate,concealable and stands up to holster wear,sweat and weather.
Look at my post#68 and #69 on page 5 of this thread for more info and a photo of the model 36.

MJZ as you well know you made a great decison to get one. I hope you enjoy it and never "need" it.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: UglyJohn on November 04, 2007, 01:43:25 PM
Simply, Yes. Fully healed and ready to go. Being I use to train law enforcement officers and competed in competitive IPSC, I'm confident in my decision making and accuracy. Enough said.
Ugly John
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: REGGAB on November 04, 2007, 03:03:01 PM
You should look at the Glock model 36 -very accurate,concealable and stands up to holster wear,sweat and weather.
Look at my post#68 and #69 on page 5 of this thread for more info and a photo of the model 36.

MJZ as you well know you made a great decison to get one. I hope you enjoy it and never "need" it.

That the big key right there.........never "need" it.  Man I'd hate that, but you gotta do what you gotta do.  Better safe than woulda, shoulda, coulda.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Break-In on November 04, 2007, 06:57:57 PM
It goes where I go. I carry a Glock 19. easy to conceal
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: mr_magoo on November 04, 2007, 08:25:22 PM
Went by the range today and tried a Glock 36, had no intention of getting one but just wanted to try it out.  :oops: it came home with me, complete with night sight and laser. And I thought this place only cost me $$$$ in chrome. ???

Glad to see we could help light your load(wallet).  Was it new or was it a range gun?
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: MJZ on November 04, 2007, 09:02:24 PM
Used but in good condition, price was right! ;D I added the night and laser.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: naitram on November 04, 2007, 09:27:17 PM
did you go with the lasermax?
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: courter on November 04, 2007, 10:10:23 PM
You should look at the Glock model 36 -very accurate,concealable and stands up to holster wear,sweat and weather.
Look at my post#68 and #69 on page 5 of this thread for more info and a photo of the model 36.

MJZ as you well know you made a great decison to get one. I hope you enjoy it and never "need" it.

Thank you for the suggestion.  I went and shot the Glock 36, and thought it was a truly nice gun.  I was about ready to buy when I took one more look at the used guns and I ended up with a Sig 239 great condition with a .40 and .357SIG barrel and 3+2 mags (respectively) at a price that was hard to beat.  Plus it shot really well for me.  Also picked up a S & W P229 .38 special 5 shot revolver that fits nicely in a front pocket or anywhere.  Shot pattern is more scattered than the SIG, but still on target.  I think it will be good for most times or when I can't carry the larger SIG. 

I got my CPL when I met with the gun board, so I'm legal. 

Thanks again.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: BAKRDS on November 18, 2007, 02:42:14 PM
When I carry it's most often a Star PD in 45 cal.Big problem for me is if I head West I go through Canada.Always ask at the border if you have any firearms.No way no how do you want to get caught with a hand gun in Canada!! Picked up a card at a LasVegas gun show last winter for an online homestudy course to get your Utah concealed carry permit.
   www.safearms.com/utah  Never looked into it 'cause I don't carry on the bike.See so many fum ducks afraid I might start shooting just to improve the gene pool.
               bakrds
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on November 18, 2007, 06:50:45 PM
I tried bore sighting my ar fo rthe 1s time...Did well, 3 dead hogs rootin up my wildflowers on my property in Hammock Grove Fl...
Picked up another kimber 3" 45 today and blasted 200 though it...schweeet.
My Kimber Ultra Carry in SS( with rosewood gripps , mind you) was getting knicked up day to day so the Kimber black was in order.

Miker
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: mr_magoo on November 18, 2007, 07:23:17 PM
Just took the Utah Concealed weapons course,  sent off the paper work no just waiting.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Chief on November 19, 2007, 08:41:25 AM
Just trying to keep up with all of the hi-po equipment here.

I got a pesky squirrel inside the attic on Saturday with a .22 cal BB cap. Does that quilify for the big Arms Race?

:indian_chief: (Still looking for squirrel in attic. Lots of blood, but no squirrel.)
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on November 19, 2007, 08:49:45 AM
Just trying to keep up with all of the hi-po equipment here.

I got a pesky squirrel inside the attic on Saturday with a .22 cal BB cap. Does that quilify for the big Arms Race?

:indian_chief: (Still looking for squirrel in attic. Lots of blood, but no squirrel.)

You betcha, you ruthless slayer...I hope the foul rodent went outside to croak..

Miker
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: MJZ on November 25, 2007, 03:40:24 PM
Raining, 40 degrees and the Titans are playing like chit. So ran up to the local dealer having a sale on anything black 15% off. Found this on the last chance sale table:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: MJZ on November 25, 2007, 03:49:15 PM
Here is the description on Daytonagear.com

 The "GB" Model - $55.00 (Retail)

The “GB” model is designed to carry your personal defense weapon. The main zippered pocket, which includes a removable holster, measures 9 inches long by 5 1/2 inches from top to bottom. The front zippered pocket is 8 inches by 4 1/2 inches and has another 2 smaller zippered pockets on the front. The Velcro holster can be placed in any position desired. Pleas observe all local gun laws.

My Glock fits perfect but I'm a little uncomfortable with the idea of magnets against my tank, even if they are sewn in lamb's skin leather. :nixweiss:
But for 30 bucks  :bananarock: :bananarock:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Fired00d on November 25, 2007, 03:59:38 PM
Mark,
Very interesting. I like you would be uncomfortable w/something on the tank. :nervous: All it would take is a little bit of dust/grime on that bag or on the tank to create some problems. >:( Also how accessible is it getting to your CW in that bag while riding?? I may be a little ole school, but I'd much rather have it on my hip as first choice, and then maybe on my ankle as second choice. :nixweiss:

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: spydglide on November 25, 2007, 04:06:33 PM
Mark,
Very interesting. I like you would be uncomfortable w/something on the tank. :nervous: All it would take is a little bit of dust/grime on that bag or on the tank to create some problems. >:( Also how accessible is it getting to your CW in that bag while riding?? I may be a little ole school, but I'd much rather have it on my hip as first choice, and then maybe on my ankle as second choice. :nixweiss:

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
I agree, plus......not secure enough for me to have my pistol held on w/ magnets.  :nervous: :nervous: :nervous:har! spyder
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: SilverDawg on November 25, 2007, 04:27:24 PM
I've got a Glock 19 and a Sig p229 DAK. 

I just have to take the class in Texas for my CHL.  Now that the weather sucks, I can probably schedule one here real quick. 

I usually ride with at least one or two that carry (one is a LEO) so I feel like I'm covered ;)
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: MJZ on November 25, 2007, 04:29:15 PM
Mark,
Very interesting. I like you would be uncomfortable w/something on the tank. :nervous: All it would take is a little bit of dust/grime on that bag or on the tank to create some problems. >:( Also how accessible is it getting to your CW in that bag while riding?? I may be a little ole school, but I'd much rather have it on my hip as first choice, and then maybe on my ankle as second choice. :nixweiss:

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:

I agree, want to buy a Daytona Gear magnetic pistol lambskin bag cheap? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: MJZ on November 25, 2007, 04:33:06 PM
I agree, plus......not secure enough for me to have my pistol held on w/ magnets.  :nervous: :nervous: :nervous:har! spyder

The security part is not a problem, these magnets are incredible. As for access, a quick zip and draw but it just found a place in storeroom hell. I'm just not comfortable with anything touching the paint.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: spydglide on November 25, 2007, 04:38:35 PM
The security part is not a problem, these magnets are incredible. As for access, a quick zip and draw but it just found a place in storeroom hell. I'm just not comfortable with anything touching the paint.
couldn't a pedestrian just grab the whole bag right off your tank?   :nixweiss:spyder
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Fired00d on November 25, 2007, 05:00:02 PM
I agree, want to buy a Daytona Gear magnetic pistol lambskin bag cheap? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Uh, thanks, but no thanks. Don't think that'll fit on my hip or ankle. ;D

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: MJZ on November 25, 2007, 05:05:05 PM
couldn't a pedestrian just grab the whole bag right off your tank?   :nixweiss:spyder

yep :nervous: :nervous: :nervous: :nervous: :nervous:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: BADBUD on November 25, 2007, 06:06:56 PM
 :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss:  I cannot respond to this question-----------for fear of incrimination.
  But I will show a picture  of my concealables. I especially like the S&W 459 9mm 15 shot, super little piece. The Glock 31 357 sig is pretty sweet. The 45 is too big. The Ruger Bearcat is great for plinking.

  BADBUD
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: LRebel on November 25, 2007, 09:00:44 PM
Uh, thanks, but no thanks. Don't think that'll fit on my hip or ankle. ;D

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:

I'm with you.  I couldn't put it on my tank...I like the condition of my paint and do too much to maintain it.  I also like the CW close.  If I jump off the bike, I want the CW going with me.  I also want the CW as "concealed" as possible.
I really like to carry the CW in a shoulder holster under a jacket or coat.  Second choice is an ankle holster. 
I was just thinking the other day about designing a jacket with a detachable holster just inside the zipper on the left side (since I am right handed).  I may have to get with someone that can sew leather and try a prototype. 
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: grandpadoc on November 26, 2007, 10:23:43 AM
The FirstGear Chief leather jacket has a inside pocket for a 38 special I was told.  Doc
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: LRebel on November 26, 2007, 01:44:36 PM
Thanks.  I will check it out.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Break-In on November 26, 2007, 06:32:22 PM
I carry a Glock 19 with a belt holster
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: grandpadoc on November 26, 2007, 11:05:19 PM
Thanks.  I will check it out.

I looked for it on the net and it doesn't seem to be available. There is something called a Cheif III, but that isn't it and even that one is being discontinued. Here is a pic of what it looks like. The little guy on the left is wearing one (me).  Doc
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: cuthbertss on November 26, 2007, 11:19:33 PM
every leather jacket i own has a gun pocket in it.... 

'cept for the SE one....

galls sells a vest with one

and san diego leather has a chit load of em 

Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Muley on November 28, 2007, 02:53:46 PM
I have been known/unknown to travel very prepared, must be that Boy Scout thing from years ago.  I need to check into this Utah deal.

Joel
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: 46knuck on November 29, 2007, 08:10:49 PM
Neighbor house was robbed yesterday and my wife and I were talking about one of my  s&w. My 19 year old daughter then said are they loaded. I told her they work better that way................. ;D    :idea3:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Muley on November 30, 2007, 02:41:59 PM
If you're not going to keep it loaded, keep a pile of rocks they throw better.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: SnakePlisken on January 15, 2008, 04:26:42 PM
Hell yea. We love guns in VA, I normally carry just a Glock 19 but sometimes I like to break out my personal favorite toy of all time;it's up there with owning a CVO. My Desert Eagle .50 AE. I truly love everything about this gun: it's way to heavy, it's difficult to conceal, shells are way to expensive, it's extremely loud, at least one shell per clip will hit you in the face upon ejection, and it quite literally explodes anything organic it hits. What's not to love! It's bright and shiny! mmm ...guns.

- Jim
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: naitram on January 15, 2008, 04:30:10 PM
when did I.M.I. become I.W.I. ?
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Coolbreeze on January 15, 2008, 04:58:45 PM
That stray round only hits you in the face because your "girlie wristing"...   Get a better grip on that chunk of metal and it won't whack you.    ::) :P

Seriously, if the brass is hitting you, you're not holding the front down well enough, and very soon it will start to misfeed.  (I only know this because... oops.  that cat's out of the bag!)  It does a little bit of gradual re-adjustment in the way some of the pieces line up.  My gunsmith got all fatherly on me and really chewed me out...

Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: SnakePlisken on January 15, 2008, 05:02:02 PM
Yea. They became I.W.I when the samll arms division was privatized in '05. Thanx. I too know the whole speil about the 'shell in face' from a fatherly gun dealer. But it does sound good.

- Jim
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: SnakePlisken on January 15, 2008, 05:10:19 PM
Now if only they made holsters for something like this for the CVO ......then I suppose that would be truly custom. Kind of 'Mad Max - esque.' Right?

- Jim
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: LRebel on January 15, 2008, 05:14:22 PM
Now if only they made holsters for something like this for the CVO ......then I suppose that would be truly custom. Kind of 'Mad Max - esque.' Right?
- Jim

Thompson?
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: BADBUD on January 15, 2008, 06:21:35 PM
As Cris Smithers would "big ass gun made by badass Hebrews". I had one in a 357 auto. Way too big a  gun for me. I was offered 900 bucks and let her go.

  BADBUD
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: SnakePlisken on January 15, 2008, 06:36:43 PM
Nice BADBUD. I'd rather be sitting on my motorcycle thinking about... Start a thread about it! Let me know if I missed out; thanx.

- Jim

Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: towjamin on January 17, 2008, 09:09:06 AM
dont and wont, i would be in jail by now, i deal with the biggest jerks that need to be shot, :rifle:  i do police  :policeman: towing, yea i know that most companies are rip offs :veryangry: and im sure thats why i get sh1t but i am a small company that prides its self on honesty,  :jack: sorry back to the thread, and i am too close to NY where they give free room and board for having a weapon... jamie :zstupid:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: LRebel on January 17, 2008, 10:48:13 AM
dont and wont, i would be in jail by now.  I am too close to NY where they give free room and board for having a weapon... jamie :zstupid:


Boy, I couldn't live like that. 

What ever happen to "the Land of the Free" and that "right to keep & bear arms" thing in the Constitution?

I think I would do one of two things: Either get involved in politics and correct this injustice, or just move South.  Sure glad I live in a Concealed Carry state ;)
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: spydglide on January 17, 2008, 11:20:01 AM

Boy, I couldn't live like that. 

What ever happen to "the Land of the Free" and that "right to keep & bear arms" thing in the Constitution?

I think I would do one of two things: Either get involved in politics and correct this injustice, or just move South.  Sure glad I live in a Concealed Carry state ;)
I agree.  Since no one can keep firearms from criminals, why would it be ok to forbid law-abiding citizens from keeping them?  Just doesn't make good sense (to me, anyway)  :confused5: spyder
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: arcticdude on January 17, 2008, 11:42:41 AM
Take a look at rohrbaughfirearms.com.  They make a couple of sweet little 9's, if you're so inclined.  Very well made, though I haven't yet had the chance to shoot one.  VERY easily concealable 9mm.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: LRebel on January 17, 2008, 11:53:43 AM
Take a look at rohrbaughfirearms.com.  They make a couple of sweet little 9's, if you're so inclined.  Very well made, though I haven't yet had the chance to shoot one.  VERY easily concealable 9mm.

Looking for a small 9mm.  I just sent an e-mail to a gun dealer friend of mine to see if he knows any thing about these or the company.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on January 17, 2008, 11:59:00 AM
Let us know, I need a smaller carry.  The kimber is getting nicked up too much.

Miker
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: spydglide on January 17, 2008, 12:13:12 PM
Let us know, I need a smaller carry.  The kimber is getting nicked up too much.

Miker
Might look at a Colt .380 ........  I use the Govt. model w/ silvertip hollow-pts.   :2vrolijk_21:spyder
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: FNGw/08SERK on January 17, 2008, 12:20:07 PM
Might look at a Colt .380 ........  I use the Govt. model w/ silvertip hollow-pts.   :2vrolijk_21:spyder
Definitely needed, without that weapons effectiveness is questionable in certain circumstances. Of course I miss my 20mm  :nixweiss:  :huepfenlol2:

http://www.anzioironworks.com/MAG-FED-20MM-RIFLE.htm
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: LRebel on January 17, 2008, 12:23:11 PM
Might look at a Colt .380 ........  I use the Govt. model w/ silvertip hollow-pts.   :2vrolijk_21:spyder

I would really like to stick with a 9mm, since I have other 9mm's (one less ammo to keep around).
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: LRebel on January 17, 2008, 01:56:53 PM
Kinda funny video.  Maybe everyone shouldn't carry....at least not a Desert Eagle.

Click the link

http://www.propeller.com/viewstory/2007/12/30/skinny-girl-vs-desert-eagle/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.crane-romania.com%2Fgo%2Fskinny-girl-desert-eagle%2F&frame=true
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: FNGw/08SERK on January 17, 2008, 02:10:12 PM
Kinda funny video.  Maybe everyone shouldn't carry....at least not a Desert Eagle.

Click the link

http://www.propeller.com/viewstory/2007/12/30/skinny-girl-vs-desert-eagle/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.crane-romania.com%2Fgo%2Fskinny-girl-desert-eagle%2F&frame=true
Kinda funny???? :ROFLOL: :smash:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: arcticdude on January 17, 2008, 02:26:06 PM
LR, I got to handle a Rohrbaugh at the Tulsa show last fall.  Really nice, but since we have no dealers in OK, we've got to find someone to get one sent to.  Maybe somebody will have one at the spring show.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: LRebel on January 17, 2008, 03:02:31 PM
LR, I got to handle a Rohrbaugh at the Tulsa show last fall.  Really nice, but since we have no dealers in OK, we've got to find someone to get one sent to.  Maybe somebody will have one at the spring show.

Do you have any idea about the price tag?
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: rottenroger on January 17, 2008, 04:46:14 PM
Utah permit is honored in 31 states now. We have an instructor that teaches a Oregon/Utah CWP training class the second Sat of every month
in Clackamus. $70.00 for an all day class. Even though my DD214 shows my handgun competency I thought it couldn't hurt
to brush up on the laws and restrictions. PM me if you want the guys email. He's an NRA instructor with Utah training certificate.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: arcticdude on January 17, 2008, 06:41:19 PM
The used one I looked at was $900, but I probably could have bought it for $800, maybe $750- if I'd have known what it truly was I would have bought it, just didin't know at the time.  New they're about $950 depending on the model.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: cuthbertss on January 17, 2008, 10:16:08 PM
The used one I looked at was $900, but I probably could have bought it for $800, maybe $750- if I'd have known what it truly was I would have bought it, just didin't know at the time.  New they're about $950 depending on the model.

intriguing...  i like the idea...  the caliber, eh, not so much

dealer up the street a bit by where Talon lives...

i will be at SHOT this year and maybe these guys or someone like them will show up?

Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: LRebel on January 17, 2008, 11:00:11 PM
intriguing...  i like the idea...  the caliber, eh, not so much

dealer up the street a bit by where Talon lives...

i will be at SHOT this and maybe these guys or someone like them will show up?

I'm curious....what caliber would be your preference?
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: cuthbertss on January 18, 2008, 08:19:34 AM
I'm curious....what caliber would be your preference?

i prefer a .40SW, maybe a .45

we all know the 9mm has a bad rep for stopping power...   some earned some not..

a recent example...  NYSP is finally dumping the 9 for a 45...

its all about personal preference....i just dont trust the 9

on the other hand...  even my compact .40 is friggin heavy...  so its a trade off

even a 9 or a .380 carried  is better than the .45 sitting at home cuz its too heavy

hows that for a mixed message?

Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Midnight Rider on January 18, 2008, 08:25:34 AM
How about a Stainless PPK?  I used to have one...operation was always flawless, and it was pretty small.  With the HP silvertips, it would explode watermelons... ::) :huepfenlol2:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: cuthbertss on January 18, 2008, 08:33:03 AM
How about a Stainless PPK?  I used to have one...operation was always flawless, and it was pretty small.  With the HP silvertips, it would explode watermelons... ::) :huepfenlol2:

and bounce harmlessly off glass !   ???
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: cuthbertss on January 18, 2008, 08:34:33 AM
i used to carry a colt mustang .380 with the win silvertips

great little gun...

no question

then as i learned more, i headed to the big calibers more often...

its all a matter of choice really
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Midnight Rider on January 18, 2008, 08:43:23 AM
and bounce harmlessly off glass !   ???

All I've got now is a couple of .38's...one is the S&W Titanium hamerless.  It's light and easy to carry.  Hopefully, I'll never have to use it, but if I do, I figure I won't be shooting any glass, but something more like a watermelon...and won't be too far away... :nervous:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: spydglide on January 18, 2008, 08:44:44 AM
I totally agree that any gun that works is better than having no gun.  Better to have a derringer than nothing.  I'm partial to my .45, but carry smaller often due to size/weight.  Even snake shot will work if 'placement' is accounted for... :-X...spyder
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: DavidB on January 18, 2008, 09:05:40 AM
dont and wont, i would be in jail by now, i deal with the biggest jerks that need to be shot, :rifle:  i do police  :policeman: towing, yea i know that most companies are rip offs :veryangry: and im sure thats why i get sh1t but i am a small company that prides its self on honesty,  :jack: sorry back to the thread, and i am too close to NY where they give free room and board for having a weapon... jamie :zstupid:

Never tow a Black Lincoln in CT.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: SBB on January 18, 2008, 09:11:57 AM
i prefer a .40SW, maybe a .45

we all know the 9mm has a bad rep for stopping power...   some earned some not..

a recent example...  NYSP is finally dumping the 9 for a 45...

its all about personal preference....i just dont trust the 9

on the other hand...  even my compact .40 is friggin heavy...  so its a trade off

even a 9 or a .380 carried  is better than the .45 sitting at home cuz its too heavy

hows that for a mixed message?




Scott

I carry a Sig 229 in 357Sig.
Works great on the range, never used it on anything that could shoot back!
Not yet anyway, and hope I don't have to.
Any thoughts on the 357Sig?

 :nixweiss:      :nixweiss:      :nixweiss:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: arcticdude on January 18, 2008, 09:57:44 AM
I usually carry a 45 as well, but having to deal with the larger frame, weight and on going concealment issues, I'm definitely looking at something smaller.  The 357 is close to a 9 ballistically.  My biggest problem with the 9 is it's over penetration/ricochet abilities.  It definitely likes to skip and go through things.  A 45 will blow a hole out the backside, but essentaily it's done at that point, assuming you're hitting COM and not extremeties.  The 9 is much easier to carry and something the size of a rohrbaugh would be really easy to carry, I just worry about collateral damage.  Since we expect to be firing at close to zero ranges, maybe the ricochet component is reduced, but the over penetration isn't.  I guess I've got to play some more with some jhp's to see what the latest are doing.

Of course, carrying something is much better than nothing at all.  It shouldn't be too often the BG's are going to give you problems in the middle of a crowd. ;)
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: LRebel on January 18, 2008, 10:44:29 AM
i prefer a .40SW, maybe a .45
we all know the 9mm has a bad rep for stopping power...   some earned some not..
a recent example...  NYSP is finally dumping the 9 for a 45...
its all about personal preference....i just dont trust the 9
on the other hand...  even my compact .40 is friggin heavy...  so its a trade off
even a 9 or a .380 carried  is better than the .45 sitting at home cuz its too heavy
hows that for a mixed message?

IMO, there is not really any appreciable difference between the .40 and the 9mm.

The .45, now you're talking.  Plenty of stopping power, however I think sometimes quantity is better than quality.  My 9mm has 18 round clips and can be easily concealed, where as with most .45's you are looking at 6 rounds.  The .45 is best if you can be cool under fire and are a crack shot (everytime).  For me, in such a situation, I would like to have a few more rounds in the magazine, just in case.

You are right, it is personal preference.  I would like to have a .45 that is as compact and light as a 9mm or .40 and with the magazine capacity of my 9mm, but thus far have not found that gun.

I have an assortment from .45, .44 & .357, 9's, .40 & .380 all the way down to a .25 derringer.  They all have their pro's & con's. 
Firearms are like chrome....it's hard to know when it has become an obsession.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on January 18, 2008, 10:53:16 AM
I have an assortment from .45, .44 & .357, 9's, .40 & .380 all the way down to a .25 derringer.  They all have their pro's & con's. 
Firearms are like chrome....it's hard to know when it has become an obsession.

Me too, I liken them to tater chips, cain't have just one....Throw ina Benelli M4 and a S&W AR, Saiga308, some bird guns, some deer rifles and the greaser.  Always but a gun safe 2x bigger than you think!
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: LRebel on January 18, 2008, 10:57:42 AM
Me too, I liken them to tater chips, cain't have just one....Throw ina Benelli M4 and a S&W AR, Saiga308, some bird guns, some deer rifles and the greaser.  Always but a gun safe 2x bigger than you think!

Yep, I've got several long guns as well.

Kinda getting into the antique variety now.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Coolbreeze on January 18, 2008, 03:41:25 PM
What's the price tag look like of the rohrbaugh? 
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: RedDevil on January 18, 2008, 06:13:50 PM
I like my S&W K66 stainless .357.  4" barrel, pacmyer grips, and with hollow points will cause a little bit of damage to "watermellons".
Cheers :2vrolijk_21:,
:devil:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: SnakePlisken on January 18, 2008, 07:26:36 PM
Miker. That is indeed 'swisher sweet,' as they say.

- Jim
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: arcticdude on January 31, 2008, 12:32:45 PM
Here's an interesting take on the 9 vs 45 dilemma.  See this site: http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/9mm%20vs%2045.htm.  It is good reading.  I did some further research on some aspects of this and feel that what ever somebody is comfortable shooting is what is best for them.  Premium ammo may be the real factor, not so much the caliber.  The cost of ammo needs to be considered as well.  9 is pretty cheap, 45 is a little higher, while 357 is higher still for the better stuff. 


Two in the chest and one in the forehead pretty well negates what caliber it may be.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: naitram on January 31, 2008, 01:19:37 PM
any reaso you didnt go with the glock 27?
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Fired00d on January 31, 2008, 01:47:32 PM
i use to carry a glock 26 9mm, just recently went to a springfield sub compact 40 cal. big difference in knockdown power imo. the difference in grain size of the lead will make you a believer. but where does it end. a 50 cal.... :coolblue:

i operate a business that requires me to carry or lay down.




TN
How did you like the Glock? I'm thinking of one as a backup (ankle carry).

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Fired00d on January 31, 2008, 02:02:21 PM
Want real stopping power check this out - The Judge (http://www.taurususa.com/video/taurus-theJudge-video.cfm).

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Chief on January 31, 2008, 02:07:02 PM
Want real stopping power check this out - The Judge (http://www.taurususa.com/video/taurus-theJudge-video.cfm).

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:


Damn! Nice grouping at 10 feet!  :)

:indian_chief:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Fired00d on January 31, 2008, 02:14:52 PM

Damn! Nice grouping at 10 feet!  :)

:indian_chief:
Yea it is a great weapon for close in self defense. I'd be a little concerned of the collateral damage if I had to use it for something of greater distance.

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on January 31, 2008, 02:19:20 PM
I going to git me one....Next gun show I get to.  That'll put a hurtin on the pesky rattle snakes at my camp in Gulf Hammock.   :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: spydglide on January 31, 2008, 02:23:48 PM
You know D00d, I don't understand our gun laws at all.  If you have a sawed-off .410 that's too short, it is so illigal that you do hard time just for possession of it.  Yet, that pistol is even more concealable (while not really small) and I'm guessing is legal classified as a handgun.  What are they retailing for money-wise?    :nixweiss:spyder
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Fired00d on January 31, 2008, 02:24:04 PM
If you really want to have some fun then you need this - AA 12 Assault Shotgun (http://www.strategypage.com/military_videos/military_photos_2005620.aspx) (look at the video).

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Chief on January 31, 2008, 02:24:34 PM
Yea it is a great weapon for close in self defense. I'd be a little concerned of the collateral damage if I had to use it for something of greater distance.

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:

Yea, but now you can hunt squirrels with a hand gun. Yee Haw!  :)

:indian_chief:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Fired00d on January 31, 2008, 02:27:21 PM
You know D00d, I don't understand our gun laws at all.  If you have a sawed-off .410 that's too short, it is so illigal that you do hard time just for possession of it.  Yet, that pistol is even more concealable (while not really small) and I'm guessing is legal classified as a handgun.  What are they retailing for money-wise?    :nixweiss:spyder
Not sure of retail, but you can see more about them here (http://www.taurususa.com/products/gunselector-results.cfm?series=41).

Edited: The link above does show retail price $503.00

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Fired00d on January 31, 2008, 02:29:43 PM
Yea, but now you can hunt squirrels with a hand gun. Yee Haw!  :)

:indian_chief:
That is true. :2vrolijk_21:

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: arcticdude on January 31, 2008, 02:31:16 PM
If you really want to have some fun then you need this - AA 12 Assault Shotgun (http://www.strategypage.com/military_videos/military_photos_2005620.aspx) (look at the video).

That's close to a Saiga 12g that's just coming out.  Really great for home defense, works just like an AK, that most of us are familiar with.  The Saiga is about $350 currently.  I'm going to get one to replace the Mossberg.  Don't worry too much about collateral damage, a 410 doesn't spread all that much, and by the time it does, you don't have enough energy/pellet size/etc to do any real damage.  IIRC, the Judge goes for about $450.  I'll keep my 12g and 45 bug, thank you very much!
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: spydglide on January 31, 2008, 02:32:07 PM
Not sure of retail, but you can see more about them here (http://www.taurususa.com/products/gunselector-results.cfm?series=41).

Edited: The link above does show retail price $503.00

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
I see........$553.  :2vrolijk_21:  thanks, spyder
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Fired00d on January 31, 2008, 02:33:51 PM
I see........$553.  :2vrolijk_21:  thanks, spyder
The two on the left are $503, and the two on the right are $553.

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: spydglide on January 31, 2008, 02:34:47 PM
The two on the left are $503, and the two on the right are $553.

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
The 'stainless' is worth the extra. :-*  har!  spyder
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Fired00d on January 31, 2008, 02:35:57 PM
The 'stainless' is worth the extra. :-*  har!  spyder
Definitely. :2vrolijk_21:

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: RedDevil on January 31, 2008, 03:02:11 PM
Not sure of retail, but you can see more about them here (http://www.taurususa.com/products/gunselector-results.cfm?series=41).

Edited: The link above does show retail price $503.00

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:

There's a gun range north of Fredericksburg that sells it for around $450.00....

   :devil:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: HogBreath on January 31, 2008, 03:20:05 PM
My stepson was raised in the city. He's 15 y/o now.Whenever he comes to vist, he absolutely loves to shoot. I started him off with 22's. He graduated to 20 gauge shotguns, then on to a 12 gauge with turkey loads. We bought him a AR15 223 last Christmas. It's made by Rock River Arm Company. I preach safety to him so much he's tired of hearing it. I told him when he's 30 years old, I'll STILL be preaching it, so he just as well to get used to it.

Dad taught me to shoot and hunt when I was about 12 years old. I lost dad about 2 years ago. The memories of the  times we spent together hunting and shooting are precious. I  have those memories with my children, and my stepson too. Here's a photo of the AR15.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: RJ749 on January 31, 2008, 03:21:28 PM
That Judge is sweet.  Looks like an addition to the family to me. :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: RJ749 on January 31, 2008, 03:23:22 PM
I told him when he's 30 years old, I'll STILL be preaching it, so he just as well to get used to it.

Dad taught me to shoot and hunt when I was about 12 years old. I lost dad about 2 years ago. The memories of the  times we spent together hunting and shooting are precious. I  have those memories with my children, and my stepson too. Here's a photo of the AR15.

HB, Sounds like we got the same instruction at home.

Only way to have it.

Rog
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: RedDevil on January 31, 2008, 03:24:05 PM
This is from thier online catalog...it's a place called "The Range", north of Fredericksburg, VA just off of Route 1.  

GuaranteeD®Lifetime Replacement Warranty

 
 Item # 2-441039T MSRP $569.00  
Mfg Taurus Your Price: $456.29
Model 45-410 Tracker Sale Ends:    
Type Revolver Quantity: Allocated
Caliber: 45LC|410 Gauge Finish Stainless Steel, Matte  
Additional Specifications
Action: Double Action
Stock: Black Ribber Grips
Capacity: 5
Sights: Ft: Red Fiber Optic RR: Notched
Barrel Length: 3"
Overall Length: 9 1/2"
Weight: 29 oz
Chamber: 410 is 2 1/2"
Packaging: Cardboard Box
Additional Features 1: "The Judge" Stamped on the Barrel

:devil:
 
  
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: HogBreath on January 31, 2008, 03:26:06 PM
HB, Sounds like we got the same instruction at home.

Only way to have it.

Rog

Dad absolutely beat it in my head. Point that gun up boy. Is that safety on? Is that gun unloaded? An empty gun is always the one that kills. Now, it's second nature to me. if i'm handling a gun, I'm not afraid of it, but 150% conscious of where it's aimed at all times.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Fired00d on January 31, 2008, 03:29:37 PM
There's a gun range north of Fredericksburg that sells it for around $450.00....

   :devil:

Is that for the stainless?

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: RedDevil on January 31, 2008, 03:34:34 PM
Is that for the stainless?

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Yep, according to the site, it's stainless steel, matte ... I guess that means a brushed finish?   :nixweiss:
It's a great price for a stainless handgun.

  :devil:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: RJ749 on January 31, 2008, 03:35:28 PM
Dad absolutely beat it in my head. Point that gun up boy. Is that safety on? Is that gun unloaded? An empty gun is always the one that kills. Now, it's second nature to me. if i'm handling a gun, I'm not afraid of it, but 150% conscious of where it's aimed at all times.

I hear you, if mine ever goes off do to pilot error, it sure as hell won't hit anyone or anything.....unless you count air or dirt.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Fired00d on January 31, 2008, 03:36:22 PM
Yep, according to the site, it's stainless steel, matte ... I guess that means a brushed finish?   :nixweiss:
It's a great price for a stainless handgun.

  :devil:
Thanks. I hadn't got caught up in the thread before I noticed you poste the specs/price. :2vrolijk_21:

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Midnight Rider on January 31, 2008, 03:41:01 PM
My stepson was raised in the city. He's 15 y/o now.Whenever he comes to vist, he absolutely loves to shoot. I started him off with 22's. He graduated to 20 gauge shotguns, then on to a 12 gauge with turkey loads. We bought him a AR15 223 last Christmas. It's made by Rock River Arm Company. I preach safety to him so much he's tired of hearing it. I told him when he's 30 years old, I'll STILL be preaching it, so he just as well to get used to it.

Dad taught me to shoot and hunt when I was about 12 years old. I lost dad about 2 years ago. The memories of the  times we spent together hunting and shooting are precious. I  have those memories with my children, and my stepson too. Here's a photo of the AR15.

My Grandfather spent a lot of time teaching me gun safety, and how to shoot.  He took me to a few turkey shoots back when I was a kid.  I went hunting a few times with friends when I was a teenager, but never killed anything...I just liked being out in the woods, and liked to shoot cans, mistletoe out of the tops of trees with a 22, etc.  It was good time spent with my "Paw" as I called him, and I never forgot the stuff he taught me.  Good job, Ken!!!
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Fired00d on January 31, 2008, 03:42:14 PM
That's close to a Saiga 12g that's just coming out.  Really great for home defense, works just like an AK, that most of us are familiar with.  The Saiga is about $350 currently.  I'm going to get one to replace the Mossberg.  Don't worry too much about collateral damage, a 410 doesn't spread all that much, and by the time it does, you don't have enough energy/pellet size/etc to do any real damage.   IIRC, the Judge goes for about $450.  I'll keep my 12g and 45 bug, thank you very much!
That's good to hear. :2vrolijk_21: My concern was it penetrating drywall if it was used in the house for self defense.

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Fired00d on January 31, 2008, 03:43:41 PM
That Judge is sweet.  Looks like an addition to the family to me. :2vrolijk_21:
Go big get the AA 12 Assault Shotgun ;D

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: RJ749 on January 31, 2008, 04:13:21 PM
That's good to hear. :2vrolijk_21: My concern was it penetrating drywall if it was used in the house for self defense.

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:

Gary, I wouldn't worry about that when defending your home, 410 most likely wouldn't have the power and the holes it leaves, well we can bring some of this over and get you handled afterwards :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Fired00d on January 31, 2008, 04:16:12 PM
Gary, I wouldn't worry about that when defending your home, 420 most likely wouldn't have the power and the holes it leaves, well we can bring some of this over and get you handled afterwards :2vrolijk_21:
I was more concerned if there was family member(s) that may have secured themselves in a/that room.

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: RJ749 on January 31, 2008, 04:18:51 PM
I was more concerned if there was family member(s) that may have secured themselves in a/that room.

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:

I figured that, but as stated earlier the dispersal would be tighter than as to miss the intended target by much, but I hear your concern.

Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: spydglide on January 31, 2008, 06:06:21 PM
went with the springfield for variety, the glock is a great gun for what there made for. i have the extender on the mag, good feel. the springfield seems to be good quality and i like the night sites it has. its amazing to me with all the play in the barrel with this type of design,
that it can group as good as they do, i'm sold. there again there not made for plinking. the 40 cal has more kick and i wouldn't want to shoot it alot.

i used to carry a ss colt mustang ll 380  cause it fit nicely in my back pocket. i got in a situation where i needed it and it failed. i'm glad i can talk about it!.

been kinda looking around for a tazer type weapon, cause i can. but i guess thats like the old saying about bringing a knife to a gun fight.


if more ppl carried, criminals would think twice.....

i declare open season. :huepfenlol2:....



be safe

TN
got a couple of .380s......one is a Colt Gov't.  I've fired many, many boxes of ammo thru them with never a problem.  What happened, was it mag, ammo, or  ???   Glad you survived.  :2vrolijk_21: spyder
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: 2006_CVO_HD on January 31, 2008, 06:12:35 PM
GLOCK 30 
Kel-Tec P-32
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: murphy on January 31, 2008, 06:33:44 PM
I was more concerned if there was family member(s) that may have secured themselves in a/that room.

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:

A .410 will penetrate drywall.
Title: Re:Why do you carry?
Post by: CVOJOE on January 31, 2008, 07:13:58 PM
WHY THE GUN IS CIVILIZATION (only fools don't understand)

Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force.  If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, that's it.
In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some.
 
When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or employment of force. The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with a 19-year old gang banger, and a single gay guy on equal footing with a carload of drunken guys with baseball bats. The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a potential attacker and a defender.
 
There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force equations. These are the people who think that we'd be more civilized if all Guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for a [armed] mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the muggers potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by legislative fiat--it has no validity when most of a mugger's potential marks are armed.

People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the young, the strong, and the many, and that's the exact opposite of a civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly.
 
Then there's the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser. People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don't constitute lethal force watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come out of it with a bloody lip at worst.

The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level. The gun is the only weapon that's as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weight lifter. It simply wouldn't work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn't both lethal and easily employable.
 
When I carry a gun, I don't do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I'm looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don't carry it because I'm afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn't limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force. It removes force from the equation...and that's why carrying a gun is a civilized act.

Credited to:  Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret) Hoo-Rah!
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: resqdoc on January 31, 2008, 07:27:52 PM
1. Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.

2. If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck.

3. I carry a gun cause a cop is too heavy.

4. When seconds count, the cops are just minutes away.

5. A reporter did a human interest piece on the Texas Rangers. The reporter recognized the Colt Model 1911 the Ranger was carrying and asked him, 'Why do carry a 45?'.  The Ranger responded with, 'Because they don't make a.46.'

6. An armed man will kill an unarmed man with monotonous regularity.

7. The old sheriff was attending an awards dinner when a lady commented on his wearing his sidearm.  'Sheriff, I see you have your pistol.  Are you expecting trouble?'
'NO Ma'am.  If I were expecting trouble, I would have brought my rifle.'

8. Beware the man who only has one gun. HE PROBABLY KNOWS HOW TO USE IT!!!

Comments:
I was once asked by a lady visiting if I had a gun in the house.  To which I said I did.  She said, 'well I certainly hope it isn't loaded!'  To which I said, 'of course it is loaded, can't work without bullets..'  She then asked, 'Are you that  afraid of someone evil coming into your house?'  My reply was, 'No not at all. I am not afraid of the house catching on fire either, but I have fire extinguishers
around, and THEY ARE ALL LOADED.'

Parting note:   An unloaded gun is just a club.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: arcticdude on January 31, 2008, 07:47:05 PM
CVOJOE,
That's a pretty good peice.  Made me think of Sydney this past November.  A couple of kids- I mean kids, they were 14 & 15 yo!- attacked an off duty police officer, whacked him in the head with their fists and either severely injured him or killed him (I don't remember which).  The officer was out for a night with his girlfriend, having had dinner, was walking back home.  Seemed like a case of mistaken identity, tempers flared and the officer paid the price heavily.  Had Australia not gotten rid of their personal weapons, the situation might have had a different outcome.  I will never give up my weapons!  It's too easy to handload and make your own stuff, so I don't even have to be able to buy ammo.  Wheel weights make great bullets and gunpowder ain't that tough to make.  I just have to be sparing with my cases.  Of course, since I police the ranges where I shoot, I think I'll have enough to last a while. :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: MJZ on January 31, 2008, 09:56:17 PM
You must be from the civilized side of the state. In Memphis it has gotten to the point when a person has to use an ATM, they do it in pairs with the spotter armed and on guard. In the beginning of January we went for 18 straight days in a row with at least one carjacking a day. It is probably still going on only the Chamber Of Commerce and City Hall got the right people that convinced the media that they were doing big damage to the city by reporting it because other nearby communities were picking it up and making a joke of it.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: ccr on January 31, 2008, 10:32:30 PM
Going back a few pages on the family learning thing.  My Dad had a lot of guns around.  For all kinds of reasons, but mostly for feeding his family.  So we were all taught about how to hold them, how to load them, how to unload them, how to put on the safety, how to  care for them.  Each one of us kids.  But as in all families, some take to some things better than others.  Myself, the oldest and my brother number three in the brood of four, we liked the gun thing.  And we were taught more than the other two. 

To this day, if you so much as point a finger at me, I shake.  My Dad would smack us so hard we'd fall to the ground - if we so much as pointed a stick at someone and pretended it was a weapon ------ there is no room for mistakes with a weapon that takes your life or the life of anyone you love.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Keats on February 01, 2008, 12:27:55 AM
?
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: skreminegul07 on February 01, 2008, 06:17:59 PM
45's rule.   Para 14, 14+1.  Let's roll!  Plus a donor weapon for the perp.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: FNGw/08SERK on February 01, 2008, 06:25:57 PM
45's rule.   Para 14, 14+1.  Let's roll!  Plus a donor weapon for the perp.
:stop: :zHole: :rifle: :ROFLOL:.
Title: Re:Why do you carry?
Post by: Screamin on February 01, 2008, 06:53:26 PM
WHY THE GUN IS CIVILIZATION (only fools don't understand)

Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another...

                                   ...and that's why carrying a gun is a civilized act.

Credited to:  Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret) Hoo-Rah!

I think that's profound Joe. Well put.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: MJZ on February 01, 2008, 07:38:36 PM
Went by my local gun shop today to buy a Judge and found a long waiting list. I had them add me to the list but it looks like it's going to be quite a wait.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: 70_GTX on February 01, 2008, 08:00:05 PM
 I have a Colt Pony in 380 stainless steel that I like to carry in the back pocket for the same reasons and I too wonder what happened in your situation. What caused it to fail ?
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Fired00d on February 01, 2008, 08:37:07 PM
Went by my local gun shop today to buy a Judge and found a long waiting list. I had them add me to the list but it looks like it's going to be quite a wait.
Are they that popular or Taurus just making a limited number?

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: spydglide on February 01, 2008, 09:45:04 PM
okay, operator error!

i have shot many rounds too without failure. on the river bank. i lost confidence in it after my altercation. i still think its purdy. :coolblue:



The real deal is not like the practice, is it?  That's why it all goes back to the instinctive moves learned thru all the practice when it all goes wrong.  If you want to get rid of the SS 380 Colt, you'll have no problem... ;)...they're getting harder and harder to find.  spyder
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: graygus on February 01, 2008, 09:51:59 PM
Kimber CDP .45
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Talon on February 13, 2008, 04:28:43 PM
I got to get me one of these!!!

http://www.youtube.com:80/watch?v=p4ebtj1jR7c
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: FNGw/08SERK on February 13, 2008, 04:35:08 PM
I got to get me one of these!!!

http://www.youtube.com:80/watch?v=p4ebtj1jR7c
This is one of my favorite toys  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGKy4pa4bGY&feature=related
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: LRebel on February 13, 2008, 04:37:59 PM
I got to get me one of these!!!

http://www.youtube.com:80/watch?v=p4ebtj1jR7c

Dang, I think I could increase my kill rate on quail if'in I had one of them.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on February 13, 2008, 07:06:05 PM
Toy box
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Fired00d on February 13, 2008, 08:08:17 PM
Toy box
Very nice, I like. :2vrolijk_21:

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: dmnrdn on February 13, 2008, 09:48:33 PM
If you carry, I would recommend reading "No Second Place Winner"  by Bill Jordan.  He was a Border patrolman and one of the best revolver shots in the world.

Be first or be dead...there is no second place winner in a gunfight. The subject of this book is the ways and means to survive and stay alive in just such an event.

This book has saved my life twice.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Fired00d on February 13, 2008, 10:12:32 PM
If you carry, I would recommend reading "No Second Place Winner"  by Bill Jordan.  He was a Border patrolman and one of the best revolver shots in the world.

Be first or be dead...there is no second place winner in a gunfight. The subject of this book is the ways and means to survive and stay alive in just such an event.

This book has saved my life twice.
Thanks for the info I'll put it on the list of must reads. :2vrolijk_21:

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Keats on February 13, 2008, 10:17:35 PM
and better.

?
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: harleyteam on February 14, 2008, 04:16:52 PM

just received this from a friend.  had a few graffic pics,, but I'll leave them out.




 How NOT to hold a revolver!
 
 
 
A  St. Louis, Missouri guy on my AR-15 forum had a bad  accident with his S&W 460XVR Magnum yesterday. He was shooting with a two  handed hold and got his left thumb up near the lower front of the cylinder.  The normal (powerful) gasses blowing out at the barrel/cylinder gap ripped the  top of his left thumb off. I've added some of his posts & some  pics.

 

 
 

 

 

 S&W 460XVR  Magnum


 


460XVR blew  my thumb off today! 


 
 

No joke, about 1/2 of my left  thumb is gone ... what's left is a friggin mess.

It's pretty hard to  type, and I'm only posting because you never know, it might save somebody else  a thumb. I was using a 2-handed grip, fired off a Cor-Bon DPX .460  and the blast came violently out the side of the  gun.


At first my thumb was so  covered in blood that I couldn't see how bad it was ... and I was full of  adrenaline and felt no pain. And honestly it looked really bad, my whole hand  was covered in blood and it was kinda  gushing.



 

The blown-off thumb was on my  support hand. I'll re-create the grip tomorrow to see where my thumb was, but  it's not like I didn't already know not to get any body part near the cylinder  gap. And even if I totally screwed up and did, taking my thumb clean off seems  a bit excessive?




Just be careful with those 460's.  That case operates at such high pressure, it's just asking for  trouble.

BTW, I bought my 460 new and had exactly 12 rounds through it.  Info about the gun, it's a full-size 460 with the 8 3/4' barrel and factory  installed compensator. It's one of the Whitetails Unlimited models. Ammo was  200gr Cor-Bon DPX.

The gun only had 12 or 13 rounds of the Cor-Bon  through it, and 10 .45 Long Colt rounds through it. So it was essentially  still brand new.


 
 

 
 

Saw a hand specialist while there  today. Lots of ways to try and save what's left, but first I just have to hope  it doesn't get infected in the next few days ... then surgery early next  week.


 
 

The hand specialist I spent a few  hours with last night said that in gunshot wounds there is always a lot more  damage than is first visible ... same with things like fireworks going off in  your hand. A lot more flesh around the wound is dead, and will rot and fall  off over the next couple days. That's why it's so important to keep clean, and  that's also why they can't do surgery now. If they wrapped new skin over dead  skin it would just puss out, possibly turn gang-green, and they'd have to  start all over again.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Keats on February 14, 2008, 08:56:03 PM
just received this from a friend.  had a few graffic pics,, but I'll leave them out.




 How NOT to hold a revolver!
 
 
 
A  St. Louis, Missouri guy on my AR-15 forum had a bad  accident with his S&W 460XVR Magnum yesterday. He was shooting with a two  handed hold and got his left thumb up near the lower front of the cylinder.  The normal (powerful) gasses blowing out at the barrel/cylinder gap ripped the  top of his left thumb off. I've added some of his posts & some  pics.

 

 
 

 

 

 S&W 460XVR  Magnum


 


460XVR blew  my thumb off today! 


 
 

No joke, about 1/2 of my left  thumb is gone ... what's left is a friggin mess.

It's pretty hard to  type, and I'm only posting because you never know, it might save somebody else  a thumb. I was using a 2-handed grip, fired off a Cor-Bon DPX .460  and the blast came violently out the side of the  gun.


At first my thumb was so  covered in blood that I couldn't see how bad it was ... and I was full of  adrenaline and felt no pain. And honestly it looked really bad, my whole hand  was covered in blood and it was kinda  gushing.



 

The blown-off thumb was on my  support hand. I'll re-create the grip tomorrow to see where my thumb was, but  it's not like I didn't already know not to get any body part near the cylinder  gap. And even if I totally screwed up and did, taking my thumb clean off seems  a bit excessive?




Just be careful with those 460's.  That case operates at such high pressure, it's just asking for  trouble.

BTW, I bought my 460 new and had exactly 12 rounds through it.  Info about the gun, it's a full-size 460 with the 8 3/4' barrel and factory  installed compensator. It's one of the Whitetails Unlimited models. Ammo was  200gr Cor-Bon DPX.

The gun only had 12 or 13 rounds of the Cor-Bon  through it, and 10 .45 Long Colt rounds through it. So it was essentially  still brand new.


 
 

 
 

Saw a hand specialist while there  today. Lots of ways to try and save what's left, but first I just have to hope  it doesn't get infected in the next few days ... then surgery early next  week.


 
 

The hand specialist I spent a few  hours with last night said that in gunshot wounds there is always a lot more  damage than is first visible ... same with things like fireworks going off in  your hand. A lot more flesh around the wound is dead, and will rot and fall  off over the next couple days. That's why it's so important to keep clean, and  that's also why they can't do surgery now. If they wrapped new skin over dead  skin it would just puss out, possibly turn gang-green, and they'd have to  start all over again.



WOW THAT IS INCREDIBLE!
I would never have thought that cylinder blow by could do so much damage...........I would have a good gunsmith look at that gun before anyone fired that again. My biggest gun is a 44 magnum and shooting many rounds will punish you, but that is over the top. I have had some gunshot burns from the cylinder blow by, but have always kept my thumb........something has to be seriously wrong with ammo or gun even though it is big caliber. My gun dealer has one of these sitting in the case with only a 4" barrel and I asked what in the world you would use a 460 with a 4" barrel for? They told me the recoil was not as bad as I would think and as a big game carry piece it might make sense!
anyway I hope you can make a full recovery from this freak accident.......





Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: FNGw/08SERK on February 15, 2008, 07:49:17 AM

WOW THAT IS INCREDIBLE!
I would never have thought that cylinder blow by could do so much damage...........I would have a good gunsmith look at that gun before anyone fired that again. My biggest gun is a 44 magnum and shooting many rounds will punish you, but that is over the top. I have had some gunshot burns from the cylinder blow by, but have always kept my thumb........something has to be seriously wrong with ammo or gun even though it is big caliber. My gun dealer has one of these sitting in the case with only a 4" barrel and I asked what in the world you would use a 460 with a 4" barrel for? They told me the recoil was not as bad as I would think and as a big game carry piece it might make sense!
anyway I hope you can make a full recovery from this freak accident.......






I had much the same thoughts! The ammo raises suspicion possibly more so than the weapon. I really hope things come together for you.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: 16HD117 on February 15, 2008, 06:12:33 PM
The latest addition to my hand gun collection!

HK 45 Compact

 :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: 16HD117 on February 15, 2008, 06:13:13 PM
another
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Fired00d on February 15, 2008, 06:22:49 PM
The latest addition to my hand gun collection!

HK 45 Compact

 :2vrolijk_21:
Sweeeeeeeet!! :2vrolijk_21:

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Copper/Black Cvo on February 17, 2008, 08:33:56 PM
07hd110...

How do you like the HK 45 Compact...

Size, Compactability, shooting...
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: 16HD117 on February 18, 2008, 09:58:42 AM
Copper,

The main reason that I went with the HK compact is the way it fits my hand and it's small enough to carry concelled.  Most full size 45's are too big for my "dainty" hand.  There are a lot of 45 compacts on the market that are much smaller than the HK but again, fit was the reason I bought this one.  All my fingers fit on the grip.  Some 45C's are so small that your small finger hags below the grip.  Not good! 

Recoil is surprisingly low.  Very easy to get gun back on target during rapid fire!

I shot about 150 rounds through it Saturday.  No misfires, no jams!

 :2vrolijk_21:





 























The
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: REGGAB on February 18, 2008, 10:59:15 AM
The latest addition to my hand gun collection!

HK 45 Compact

 :2vrolijk_21:

Excellent Choice, and Great Taste, Tommy.  Can't go wrong with much of anything from H&K.   :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: naitram on February 18, 2008, 06:20:08 PM
maybe you guys can help, i'm looking for a bolt for an old Marlin 81 tube fed .22
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: skippy on February 18, 2008, 06:28:25 PM
I have been looking for one here in CLT I need the ambi set up I am a big fan of 45s in the 1911 style but have been told that the HK is a Rolls Royce   I have an HK Super 90 shotgun  it is a great gun...  I want to see one in person but not to many dealers stock them  . what is your thoughts on Kimber ...
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: spydglide on February 18, 2008, 06:34:17 PM
maybe you guys can help, i'm looking for a bolt for an old Marlin 81 tube fed .22
Neal, sometimes it's better on the old, worn out guns/rifles to just hang 'um on the wall for sentimental reasons and buy a new one......rebuilding 'um can cost more than replacement.  That's what the gunsmiths are telling me, anyway.  :-\ spyder
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: REGGAB on February 18, 2008, 07:53:11 PM
I have been looking for one here in CLT I need the ambi set up I am a big fan of 45s in the 1911 style but have been told that the HK is a Rolls Royce   I have an HK Super 90 shotgun  it is a great gun...  I want to see one in person but not to many dealers stock them  . what is your thoughts on Kimber ...

I do not have any personal experience with the Kimber line-up beyond examining them.  They appear to be fine weapons upon examination and as indicated by asking price, but that price is a bit much for me.  Others here have them, and perhaps they'll chime in.  I'm quite happy with my H&K and Walther.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: naitram on February 18, 2008, 08:58:48 PM
Neal, sometimes it's better on the old, worn out guns/rifles to just hang 'um on the wall for sentimental reasons and buy a new one......rebuilding 'um can cost more than replacement.  That's what the gunsmiths are telling me, anyway.  :-\ spyder

i hear ya but i love this rifle, it might even be as simple as a pin that i can get for a couple of bucks. i cant seem to find the parts list i got from marlin years ago. gonna have to write to them again

Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Guilty on February 18, 2008, 09:09:37 PM
The latest addition to my hand gun collection!

HK 45 Compact

 :2vrolijk_21:

07hd110...you suck! jk - very nice pistol! :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: 16HD117 on February 18, 2008, 09:17:51 PM
maybe you guys can help, i'm looking for a bolt for an old Marlin 81 tube fed .22

Neal, do they have gun shows in New England?  If so, that would be the place to find your part.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Keats on February 18, 2008, 10:32:55 PM
I do not have any personal experience with the Kimber line-up beyond examining them.  They appear to be fine weapons upon examination and as indicated by asking price, but that price is a bit much for me.  Others here have them, and perhaps they'll chime in.  I'm quite happy with my H&K and Walther.

Kimber is a great gun  (made in Brooklyn?) but it is still the same old 1911 frame and for some reason I hate carrying cocked and locked on a 1911
It is just me I guess but that safety is easily moved and the trigger even easier.  The H&K p2000 I can carry cocked and locked (I do not) or I carry 1 in the chamber and let the first shot be double action.......I am much more settled with that situation.......and H&K is a great gun also (not quite as heavy.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Keats on February 18, 2008, 10:36:45 PM
another

you would think for the price of those guns, they would give you the pin removal tool to change the grips?  and that key to lock gun down is not as easy as I thought it should be........oh well what do you expect for $800.00 - $1000.00  plastic frame gun anymore?
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: HUBBARD on February 18, 2008, 10:45:42 PM
To each his own...........No Gun has the smooth action of a Colt..............but no Gun Trades like a Smith.  As far as Auto's go..............the Smith & Wesson Model 39-2 (9mm), is hard to beat.  While I tend to like older Guns, revolvers are my choice.  Especially, packin' 2 at a time!  ;) Later--HUBBARD
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Keats on February 18, 2008, 10:57:06 PM
To each his own...........No Gun has the smooth action of a Colt..............but no Gun Trades like a Smith.  As far as Auot's go..............the Smith & Wesson Model 39-2 (9mm), is hard to beat.  While I tend to like older Guns, revolvers are my choice.  Especially, packin' 2 at a time!  ;) Later--HUBBARD

My colt Python 6" is extremely smooth ( I had the trigger worked to get the rest of the creep out of the gun)  they are getting hard to find but My S&W
586 6" is also sweet after the trigger work done.....(the colt is still my favorite) and the S&W 686 8" stainless is a workhorse but not a carry piece
(none of my revolvers are really for carry...just to big)     
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Keats on February 18, 2008, 11:02:45 PM
To each his own...........No Gun has the smooth action of a Colt..............but no Gun Trades like a Smith.  As far as Auot's go..............the Smith & Wesson Model 39-2 (9mm), is hard to beat.  While I tend to like older Guns, revolvers are my choice.  Especially, packin' 2 at a time!  ;) Later--HUBBARD

Just noticed as a fellow West Virginian  (we like our guns) I no longer live in WVA but born in Princeton (coal country)   I need to get back and visit Family
have you heard of names like   Matoka, Hiawatha ,  the old Roanoke Coal and Coke company had mines back there...
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: cuthbertss on February 19, 2008, 12:38:43 AM
anyone on here have exeprience with Kel-Tec?  in particular the .380

i took one off a DUI the other night...  small, light, gave the appearance of being well made...

sadly, it went into evidence...

but im thinking about getting one

any thoughts?

Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: arcticdude on February 19, 2008, 10:48:30 AM
The Kimber's are great.  We've got 3 of them and they all work and shoot excellent.  Good triggers and action.  Tough to beat for the money.  The KelTec's are simple, very basic, inexpensive and will shoot "minute of bad guy".  Not the most accurate, but when you're typically shooting less than 5 yards how much more do you need?  I'm contemplating one as a bug.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: HUBBARD on February 19, 2008, 11:31:59 AM
Just noticed as a fellow West Virginian  (we like our guns) I no longer live in WVA but born in Princeton (coal country)   I need to get back and visit Family
have you heard of names like   Matoka, Hiawatha ,  the old Roanoke Coal and Coke company had mines back there...

Dam, it's a small world!  I was raised in a Coal Camp, 4 miles from Matoaka, in a little place called Dott, WV, right above Springton.  My Dad was the Tipple Boss there, and my Mother was a School Teacher, there at Springton Elementary School.  Taught me in the 3rd Grade!  My Dad was killed there in a Mining Accident in 1972.  At that time it was owned by CONSOL, who purchased it from Pocahontas Fuel Company.  The name of the Mine was "Turkey Gap."  I'd bet I know some of your Family.  PM me, and we'll talk.  Later--HUBBARD 
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: HUBBARD on February 19, 2008, 11:55:13 AM
My colt Python 6" is extremely smooth ( I had the trigger worked to get the rest of the creep out of the gun)  they are getting hard to find but My S&W
586 6" is also sweet after the trigger work done.....(the colt is still my favorite) and the S&W 686 8" stainless is a workhorse but not a carry piece
(none of my revolvers are really for carry...just to big)     

I've got a Python too, but I think mine is an 8".  I'll have to look.  Haven't had it out in ages.  I've got a 686, too, and I believe it is a 4".  I'll report tomorrow.  May send pics.  I wouldn't take anything for my Python.  One of the older ones.  Mfg. in 1985.  Smooth as silk.  Later--HUBBARD
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Coolbreeze on February 19, 2008, 03:37:16 PM
I've got a Python too, but I think mine is an 8".  I'll have to look.  Haven't had it out in ages.  ..... I'll report tomorrow.  May send pics.  I wouldn't take anything for my Python.  One of the older ones.   ....
AAAACCCKKKK!!!!!!!   My eyes! my eyes.....       :huepfenlol2:


Ok, seriously, I like the Kimbers... now.  Just picked up AnOtHeR ultra-carry. (that makes three now..  I just had to have all the colors!) Very well made and engineered gun.  Much smoother than any 1911 type colt I have ever purchased.  The damn thing is same hole accurate on the ransom rest too! (not that I can shoot that well, but it'll sure take the wind out of my excuses...)  I guess I've got 3 or 40 short guns now, of various different type, most worked over pretty heavily for trigger and accuracy, and this particular example really impressed me.  I don't see any signs of re-working or trigger/internal work, and it's just perfect! three cheers for the factory boys!!!

Of course, I can't compete with pictures of my 8" python, posted on the internet...... so I'm going to go back out in the yard and shoot a can ot two....
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: 16HD117 on February 19, 2008, 03:51:46 PM
AAAACCCKKKK!!!!!!!   My eyes! my eyes.....        :huepfenlol2:


Ok, seriously, I like the Kimbers... now.  Just picked up AnOtHeR ultra-carry. (that makes three now..  I just had to have all the colors!) Very well made and engineered gun.  Much smoother than any 1911 type colt I have ever purchased.  The damn thing is same hole accurate on the ransom rest too! (not that I can shoot that well, but it'll sure take the wind out of my excuses...)  I guess I've got 3 or 40 short guns now, of various different type, most worked over pretty heavily for trigger and accuracy, and this particular example really impressed me.  I don't see any signs of re-working or trigger/internal work, and it's just perfect! three cheers for the factory boys!!!

Of course, I can't compete with pictures of my 8" python, posted on the internet......   so I'm going to go back out in the yard and shoot a can ot two....

Not to worry Cool, it's probable a 2' snub nose!
 :)
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Hobo on February 19, 2008, 04:44:56 PM
maybe you guys can help, i'm looking for a bolt for an old Marlin 81 tube fed .22

Neil, one of the guys I work with is a gunsmith and collector. He gave me this address for Numrichs in NY. Check this out and see if you can find what you need.

http://www.e-gunparts.com/

Hobo
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: harleyteam on February 19, 2008, 04:55:07 PM
everybody should pass this video on to your mailing lists






Subject: Still Think Gun Control Works?

Well, it doesn't seem to have helped - even though  there are better than
35,000 federal, state and local laws directed at  restricting gun
owenership......

_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_YTM_eAWnQ&feature=related_
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: 70_GTX on February 19, 2008, 10:44:42 PM
 I have two six inch Pythons. The nickle one is the first hand gun that I ever purchased, mid seventies. The blue one used to be my Dad's. He was an Illinois state trooper. The state used to make them buy their own guns. He had a .38 and had to have the Python when they came out. He traded the .38 for it. He carried the Python until the state finally issued the  nine millimeter auto. Early ammo problems with the auto made him think about going back to the Python but that got worked out. Bad guys high on drugs wouldn't go down with the early issued ammo. He had to return the auto when he retired. My Dad should really write a book about his time in the service and law enforcement. He was an Illinois state trooper from 1949 to 1978. Then the local chief of police for several years.








Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: cuthbertss on February 20, 2008, 11:46:59 AM

check this out

http://www.ruger.com/LCP/index.html
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: LRebel on February 20, 2008, 12:05:56 PM
check this out

http://www.ruger.com/LCP/index.html

Nice.  I have always liked Ruger....durable and affordable.  I have a P89 and a Super Blackhawk 44 - both great guns.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: cuthbertss on February 20, 2008, 12:20:58 PM
Nice.  I have always liked Ruger....durable and affordable.  I have a P89 and a Super Blackhawk 44 - both great guns.

9 ounces..less than an inch wide...  i may have a new toy!
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: LRebel on February 20, 2008, 12:23:41 PM
Yep, I will have to check them out when they come out.  .380 is a little small, but might be a nice pocket gun.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: VaEagle on February 20, 2008, 01:57:18 PM
Now if you have decided to carry a firearm , you should try to stick with one weapon style and one method of carry. This will help build muscle memory and under stress you will reach instintively to the same spot and activate the weapon in the same manner without thinking about how the weapon functions today vs. what you may have carried yesterday etc. It would be a shame if a shooting situation arose and all you grabbed was a love handle or armpit hair instead of your gun.Then get in lots of pratice wearing what you would in everyday carry. Jackets/chaps, boots etc. Also try different positions as if you were seated on the bike or in a car/truck. How easy is the weapon to draw?
Look at the average shooting situation and you will realize that they are fast,short distance and usually one or two on one. There are always strange senarios where one guy is against a gang at 100 yards but that is rare. You also are not very likely to fire more than a few rounds so make it count with accuracy but hit with the largest caliber you can accurately hit your intended target. Remember that person will not just drop like in the movies with one shot but the bigger the caliber the more likely it will happen with less rounds. You will be held legally responible for each and every shot you fire so overpenetration or a stray round hitting a bystander is a concern of course.
When carrying a weapon you need to be concerned with maintenace more frequently due to weather and things like sweat. The finnish should be very durable and not shiny so it will be less visible to others when you want it concealed.
I personally like the Glock model 36 as a potent package that is concealable and durable and accurate.
Caliber
.45 AUTO
System
Safe Action
   
 LENGTH
6.77in/172mm
HEIGHT
4.76in/121mm
   
 WIDTH
1.13in/28.5mm
Barrel Height
1.26in/32mm
   
 Line of Sight
6.18in/157mm

 
Barrel LENGTH
3.78in/96mm
   
 WEIGHT
20.11oz/570g
LOADED (~)
26.99oz/765g
   
 Mag. Capacity
6
Magazine Mass
Empty: 2.40oz./68g
Full: ~6.88oz/~195g
 
   
 Trigger Pull
5.5lbs/2.5kg
Trigger Travel
0.5in/12.5mm
   Expressly "thinned" for maximum concealability, its frame designed for an easy reach to the trigger for even the shortest adult fingers, this 7-shot .45 Auto is built with "maximum concealment with maximum power" in mind.
 
 Barrel Rifling
right hand, Octagonal
Length of Twist
9.84in/250mm
   
 Internal Locking System
Available
Number of Safeties
3
 




I just wanted to repost part 2 of my original post on this subject again since it has moved back to page 5 of this long thread.
When you compare the .380 mentioned above by several to the Glock 36 you can see that there is not much difference in dimensions but there is ballistic difference between a .380 vs. a .45 shot for shot. I do know that a hit with a .380 beats a miss with a .45 but all things considered I would rather use the .45 for personal defense.
The dimensional difference I saw between the two is that the .45 is 10 Ounces heaver, about 1 1/2" longer, 1" taller and about 3/10" wider.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: cuthbertss on February 20, 2008, 02:33:09 PM


I just wanted to repost part 2 of my original post on this subject again since it has moved back to page 5 of this long thread.
When you compare the .380 mentioned above by several to the Glock 36 you can see that there is not much difference in dimensions but there is ballistic difference between a .380 vs. a .45 shot for shot. I do know that a hit with a .380 beats a miss with a .45 but all things considered I would rather use the .45 for personal defense.
The dimensional difference I saw between the two is that the .45 is 10 Ounces heaver, about 1 1/2" longer, 1" taller and about 3/10" wider.

good info.
I carry a G27 in 40 cal right now much of the time.
there are conditions when even  its just too freaking heavy.  many times i opt to not carry under those conditions.  the .380 would fill that gap.

a .380 with good ammo is still a decent punch..and , most certainly better than an empty hand!
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: TN on February 20, 2008, 03:40:36 PM
 one thing i did come away with by obtaining the cwp was the libility that comes with packing.

like mentioned above stray fire is still deadly. and practice practice pratice. no time to think in the heat of the moment.


my springfield has a safety where the gun has to be gripped to fire. i like it. :2vrolijk_21:





be safe

TN


the next gun show i'm gettin a judge. :coolblue:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: MJZ on February 20, 2008, 04:06:20 PM


I just wanted to repost part 2 of my original post on this subject again since it has moved back to page 5 of this long thread.
When you compare the .380 mentioned above by several to the Glock 36 you can see that there is not much difference in dimensions but there is ballistic difference between a .380 vs. a .45 shot for shot. I do know that a hit with a .380 beats a miss with a .45 but all things considered I would rather use the .45 for personal defense.
The dimensional difference I saw between the two is that the .45 is 10 Ounces heaver, about 1 1/2" longer, 1" taller and about 3/10" wider.

I have a 36 and I love it. Beats the heck out of these Kel-Tecs. I think they are made by Ronco, you can buy them on late night infomercials. If you order a Popel pocket fisherman and a Ronco veg-i-matic, they will send you a Ronco shoot-a-matic (Kel-Tec) for free. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: cuthbertss on February 20, 2008, 04:31:27 PM
I have a 36 and I love it. Beats the heck out of these Kel-Tecs. I think they are made by Ronco, you can buy them on late night infomercials. If you order a Popel pocket fisherman and a Ronco veg-i-matic, they will send you a Ronco shoot-a-matic (Kel-Tec) for free. ;D ;D ;D

lol
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Biguglydude on February 20, 2008, 05:37:51 PM
I also carry a Glock 27.  In a leather holster at 3 O'Clock.  95% of the time I have it with me.  Feel kind of naked without it!  I carry it into Ky, Tn, Va, W.Va, North and South Carolina when I go to Charlotte, Martinsville and Daytona NASCAR races.  I lock it in a box in those states that just don't understand.  "wink, wink"    I need to get my Florida permit.   :jack:  Don't leave home without it!  :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: MJZ on February 20, 2008, 05:44:27 PM
I also carry a Glock 27.  In a leather holster at 3 O'Clock.  95% of the time I have it with me.  Feel kind of naked without it!  I carry it into Ky, Tn, Va, W.Va, North and South Carolina when I go to Charlotte, Martinsville and Daytona NASCAR races.  I lock it in a box in those states that just don't understand.  "wink, wink"    I need to get my Florida permit.   :jack:  Don't leave home without it!  :2vrolijk_21:


 Florida is a reciprocating state, if I am not mistaken, they recognize all southeastern states carry permits. I know they reciprocate with Tennessee.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: MJZ on February 20, 2008, 05:55:15 PM
Yep, I thought so.



Tennessee
States That Honor Your Tennessee Permit

ALASKA*    ALABAMA    ARKANSAS    ARIZONA    COLORADO
DELAWARE    FLORIDA    GEORGIA    IDAHO    INDIANA
KANSAS    KENTUCKY    LOUISIANA    MICHIGAN    MINNESOTA
MISSOURI    MISSISSIPPI    MONTANA    NEW HAMPSHIRE    NORTH CAROLINA
NORTH DAKOTA    NEW MEXICO    OHIO    OKLAHOMA    PENNSYLVANIA
SOUTH CAROLINA    SOUTH DAKOTA    TEXAS    UTAH    VERMONT*
VIRGINIA    WYOMING
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Keats on February 24, 2008, 12:44:27 AM

I found this  website for gun nuts, I am amazed how much it appears these guns are worth...

www.gunbroker.com

Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: MJZ on February 24, 2008, 01:18:36 AM
Stopped by a local shop today and asked how long the list is the "Judge". The owner, a friend said probably 25 names but if you want the Judge Ultra Lite, I held one back for me and you can have that one now.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: MJZ on February 24, 2008, 01:22:54 AM
Can't wait to take it to the range tomorrow. It is a little larger than I had thought as you can see from the picture below showing it next to a S&W 357 but it is much lighter than I imagined.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Fired00d on February 24, 2008, 07:29:55 AM
Mark,
That's nice. :2vrolijk_21: Let us know how it goes at the range and if you can get some pics of the target after a few rounds have been shot into it. ;D

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Biguglydude on February 25, 2008, 07:31:27 AM
 ???  I looked at those.  I have a the older Taurus 357 that shoots just great.  I also have several .410's that shoot great as well.  Putting both 45 and .410 in one revolver... :nixweiss: I don't know?  On the other hand, having a shot gun (even a .410) in your pocket can't be all that bad.  :confused5:  Let us know (1) how the .410 shells feel balanced wiss with one hand, and (2) how hard is this to conceal?
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: spydglide on February 25, 2008, 07:58:48 AM
???  I looked at those.  I have a the older Taurus 357 that shoots just great.  I also have several .410's that shoot great as well.  Putting both 45 and .410 in one revolver... :nixweiss: I don't know?  On the other hand, having a shot gun (even a .410) in your pocket can't be all that bad.  :confused5:  Let us know (1) how the .410 shells feel balanced wiss with one hand, and (2) how hard is this to conceal?
A small person (such as moi) would need to wear a overcoat or one of those waist pouches that I don't consider concealling anything.  ??? har!  :drink: spyder
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Fired00d on February 25, 2008, 11:55:07 PM
Oh yea!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D99NHb6B03s

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: TN on February 28, 2008, 01:46:04 PM
Oh yea!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D99NHb6B03s

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:


very interesting.
just when i thought i'd seen it all. and stated no desire to mass produce.


we'll see

TN
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: MJZ on February 28, 2008, 02:24:32 PM
I want one.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: cuthbertss on February 28, 2008, 11:25:21 PM
I want one.

hell yea!!!  sign me up
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Trapperdog on February 29, 2008, 10:22:42 AM
Count me in! No mass production, but they did not say no production. Think they would consider a "group buy"?
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Janine on February 29, 2008, 12:02:54 PM
My hubby, Al, always asks me what's new and interesting when I'm logged on here. I made the mistake of showing him this thread. He got together with my Dad, who's a retired gunsmith, and they went shopping for a handgun that Al could easily conceal (yea, he does have a cwp). He brought it home and showed me his new "toy" and all I could say was "not another gun?" Guess he's trying to catch up to my Dad's collection. Sorry, I don't know what he purchased. It's locked up in his gun safe and I don't go into it, or his wallet, unless I have his permission, just like he never gets into my purse without my OK. My guns are kept there also, but if I need security, I know where the "house" gun is kept for easy access (and yes, my aim is excellent). 
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: ccr on February 29, 2008, 01:44:09 PM
A couple of weeks ago we had a wind storm ----- I think it was 70 + mph winds.  At any rate our electicity was knocked out for about 30 hours.  During the night - not sleeping well anyway- sleep number bed can't be set without electricity, dog started to go nuts, running up and down the stairs, barking her fool head off.  I look outside and my car that sits in front of the house - not enough room in garage for all the toys - the overhead light is on, it comes on if you open the door handle.  I look around and I see the neighbor across the street roming around his house, so figure his dog has alerted to something too. So I, dressed in slippers and bath robe (Already a scary sight), armed with a little battery charged tea light am going to go downstairs and find out what is going on.  I momentarily think about the gun in the husband's night stand.  Then a scenario plays in my head. 

Wife arrested for killing husband, accidently shooting revolver that she has no idea how to work, while using a tea light for immuniation during a electrical outage.

No - I do not carry.    And you are all safer for it. 

 :huepfenlol2:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: REGGAB on February 29, 2008, 01:53:19 PM
A couple of weeks ago we had a wind storm ----- I think it was 70 + mph winds.  At any rate our electicity was knocked out for about 30 hours.  During the night - not sleeping well anyway- sleep number bed can't be set without electricity, dog started to go nuts, running up and down the stairs, barking her fool head off.  I look outside and my car that sits in front of the house - not enough room in garage for all the toys - the overhead light is on, it comes on if you open the door handle.  I look around and I see the neighbor across the street roming around his house, so figure his dog has alerted to something too. So I, dressed in slippers and bath robe (Already a scary sight), armed with a little battery charged tea light am going to go downstairs and find out what is going on.  I momentarily think about the gun in the husband's night stand.  Then a scenario plays in my head. 

Wife arrested for killing husband, accidently shooting revolver that she has no idea how to work, while using a tea light for immuniation during a electrical outage.

No - I do not carry.    And you are all safer for it. 

 :huepfenlol2:

Well......I guess that could be a good thing.  On the other hand, my bride...........all 5'4" 107lbs of her..........is very proficient with a pistol.  I worry....but not much.  The Girl is lethal.   :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Janine on February 29, 2008, 01:55:21 PM
A couple of weeks ago we had a wind storm ----- I think it was 70 + mph winds.  At any rate our electicity was knocked out for about 30 hours.  During the night - not sleeping well anyway- sleep number bed can't be set without electricity, dog started to go nuts, running up and down the stairs, barking her fool head off.  I look outside and my car that sits in front of the house - not enough room in garage for all the toys - the overhead light is on, it comes on if you open the door handle.  I look around and I see the neighbor across the street roming around his house, so figure his dog has alerted to something too. So I, dressed in slippers and bath robe (Already a scary sight), armed with a little battery charged tea light am going to go downstairs and find out what is going on.  I momentarily think about the gun in the husband's night stand.  Then a scenario plays in my head. 

Wife arrested for killing husband, accidently shooting revolver that she has no idea how to work, while using a tea light for immuniation during a electrical outage.

No - I do not carry.    And you are all safer for it. 

 :huepfenlol2:

Out of curiosity, what was going on?
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: 16HD117 on February 29, 2008, 01:58:07 PM
A couple of weeks ago we had a wind storm ----- I think it was 70 + mph winds.  At any rate our electicity was knocked out for about 30 hours.  During the night - not sleeping well anyway- sleep number bed can't be set without electricity, dog started to go nuts, running up and down the stairs, barking her fool head off.  I look outside and my car that sits in front of the house - not enough room in garage for all the toys - the overhead light is on, it comes on if you open the door handle.  I look around and I see the neighbor across the street roming around his house, so figure his dog has alerted to something too. So I, dressed in slippers and bath robe (Already a scary sight), armed with a little battery charged tea light am going to go downstairs and find out what is going on.  I momentarily think about the gun in the husband's night stand.  Then a scenario plays in my head. 

Wife arrested for killing husband, accidently shooting revolver that she has no idea how to work, while using a tea light for immuniation during a electrical outage.

No - I do not carry.    And you are all safer for it. 

 :huepfenlol2:

Hey Candy,  What's a tea light???   :nixweiss:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: ccr on February 29, 2008, 02:18:38 PM
I never did figure exactly out what got the dog going crazy - we lost a couple of trees so we think when a big one crashed next to the house it was enough of an impact to not set off the car alarm, but enough to wake it up to warn any intruders - thus the overhead light on and dog going nuts.  The neighbor's dog probably alerted to the same thing.  We did not find out about down tree till next day. 

The tea light ----- you are going to laugh at the image of me - carrying a 1 inch tea light as if it were a weapon as I trudge through the house, open doors and demand to know what is going on outside.

But a tea light is about 1 inch round and 3/4 inch tall candle, I have the battery operated ones, it has a flame shaped LED bulb which softly flickers to mimic the effect of a real candle. LED bulb has no smoke or flame so it's safe to use, usually we use them for decorations. And the small size fit into the bath robe pocket for moving from room to room once we went to bed.  While we were still up listening to the radio, we had kerosene lanterns, and candles so our house looked pretty lit up from the outside. 
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: leoniru on February 29, 2008, 06:02:05 PM
.45 Springfield Armory V-10 Compact, or S & W 640 .38/.357, or Star 9mm, or etc., etc. All southpaw friendly. Don't like polymer or even alloy frames -- give me good ol' steel all around. I'll suffer with the extra weight. Works better if needed to bludgeon. Don't like decockers, or trigger safetys. Carry semis with one in the pipe, safety wiped off, and hammer first click back from the firing pin.  I also handload for all with Hornady XTP bullets, weigh every powder charge and seal all primers. I don't trust ammo (have had several misfires over the years) made by the thousands per minute coming down some assembly line. I do trust my ability to reload consistently. Course I'm still at the mercy of the primer's being reliable, but I feel I've at least minimized any other ammo-related failure.
Always carry when on the bike and lately always wherever I go anywhere -- whether it's to the bank, shopping, the mall or to work. Once at work (I worked in an emergency room for 21 years now) I have to discretely transfer the weopon into my locker as I don't feel comfortable leaving it in my vehicle despite a vehicular alarm system. I would be immediately fired if my carry piece were found by the administrators at work, but I feel if I can get to it and effectively use it to save either my life or that of one of my colleagues, it's a worthwhile trade. Especially since our security are NOT allowed to even carry defensive sprays, tasers, or a baton let alone a firearm!! No metal detectors and the doors aren't even locked down at night!! I know we're 'overdue' for a situation caused by some desperate crack-head or junkie, or gang-banger. Of course I don't make it known what I do at work, nor do I broadcast the fact that I'm carrying in general. I also subscribe to the 'better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6' philosophy. Yeah, I have a CCL, but I wonder if it might just make it that much easier for the gun grabbers to know where and who to look up when the day comes to try and disarm the populace in this country.
Usually carry in a fanny pack. Not very quick to deploy but doesn't broadcast the fact that I'm packing, at least not in NE Pennsylvania. Oh yeah, I also always carry a Surefire flashlight with extra batterys. In fact, the light itself is bright enough to knock out someone's vision temporarily.

leoniru
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: skippy on February 29, 2008, 08:56:08 PM
Added a Glock 21 SR to the collection today , SR meaning slim rail it is thiner  in width  has ambi mag release  3 dot nite sites and 13 round clips   hope to shoot tomorrow    :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Pete7539 on March 06, 2008, 09:10:10 AM
anyone on here have exeprience with Kel-Tec?  in particular the .380

i took one off a DUI the other night...  small, light, gave the appearance of being well made...

sadly, it went into evidence...

but im thinking about getting one

any thoughts?


The P3AT is a great gun , but if you get one make sure it was manufactured after 2005. Prior models had extraction problems (the company is great w/fixing it, but you may not be around to send it back to them). Also they cannot fire +P or +P+ rounds, but cor-bon, speer, and win. rangers are plenty powerful. You can get them for around $270 and they have very little recoil and tight grouping.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Hugh Janis on March 06, 2008, 10:04:45 AM
Is this considered a concealed weapon?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D99NHb6B03s
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Fired00d on March 06, 2008, 10:08:34 AM
Is this considered a concealed weapon?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D99NHb6B03s
Only if they would produce it. ;)

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Oh yea!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D99NHb6B03s

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: spydglide on March 10, 2008, 07:04:12 PM
Oh yeah, I also always carry a Surefire  flashlight with extra batterys. In fact, the light itself is bright enough to knock out someone's vision temporarily.

leoniru
Which model Surefire do you carry?  :nixweiss: thanks, spyder
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: cuthbertss on March 10, 2008, 07:07:51 PM
Which model Surefire do you carry?  :nixweiss: thanks, spyder

I typically carry the E2D Exec Defender , light bright and has a very cool bezel for close in core sample removal

Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: cuthbertss on March 10, 2008, 07:09:44 PM
I typically carry the E2D Exec Defender , light bright and has a very cool bezel for close in core sample removal



btw they offer a 25% mil/ LE discount factory direct on everything

awesome folks to work with
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: cuthbertss on March 10, 2008, 07:14:25 PM
this particular surefire was a personal gift from the designers at Surefire....  bright and deadly...   TSA guys had fun with my suitcase that day :2vrolijk_21:

L6 porcupine special
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: cuthbertss on March 10, 2008, 07:15:46 PM
different view
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: spydglide on March 10, 2008, 07:31:03 PM
Nice!  What's the battery life on that model, Scott?  :nixweiss: thanks, spyder
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: cuthbertss on March 10, 2008, 07:32:49 PM
Nice!  What's the battery life on that model, Scott?  :nixweiss: thanks, spyder

which one ? the E2D lasts a while......  only changed batteries once that i can think of in three years....the L6 i have never changed the batteries in.... i rarely take it out of the box......  this thread just made me think of it


about 8 in overall length..i figure if i carry it at work id be in IA in a NY minute lol
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Trapperdog on March 10, 2008, 08:31:23 PM
Cell phone gun - Real or hoax?

http://www.videovat.com/videos/1234/cell-gun-phone.aspx
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: cuthbertss on March 10, 2008, 09:31:17 PM
Cell phone gun - Real or hoax?

http://www.videovat.com/videos/1234/cell-gun-phone.aspx

sadly, there are a zillion variations like this out there...all real
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: harleyteam on March 11, 2008, 11:19:51 AM
bought one of these in Daytona,  thought you guys would want to check it out.

www.ConcealmentT.com
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Smiler on March 12, 2008, 05:25:44 AM
Yep a toolkit, a mobile phone and a prayer  :)
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: skreminegul07 on March 12, 2008, 10:37:53 AM
bought one of these in Daytona,  thought you guys would want to check it out.

www.ConcealmentT.com

How does that no arm guy draw that piece?  HA
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: arcticdude on March 12, 2008, 02:14:15 PM
bought one of these in Daytona,  thought you guys would want to check it out.

www.ConcealmentT.com

Going to need something small to work and be comfortable there.  What are you planning on using as a cover over that?
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: skippy on March 12, 2008, 09:08:10 PM
Been on a gun binge  new Glock 21 SF in 45  with nite sites  real neat gun  having the slide polished out next week  . also have been looking for a Springfield Champion Operator in 45   it came in today    love this gun tricked out from the factory cvo style.....
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: spydglide on March 12, 2008, 09:25:32 PM
Been on a gun binge  new Glock 21 SF in 45  with nite sites  real neat gun  having the slide polished out next week  . also have been looking for a Springfield Champion Operator in 45    it came in today    love this gun tricked out from the factory cvo style.....
OK Skippy.......... :worthless:   Har!  :drink: spyder
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: harleyteam on March 13, 2008, 05:52:01 PM
Going to need something small to work and be comfortable there.  What are you planning on using as a cover over that?

just a regular shirt , untucked,   or my vest covers pretty well.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Pete7539 on March 14, 2008, 11:41:52 PM
Glock 19 w/tritium sights, FNH Five-Seven, Glock 27 w/lasermax, Kel-Tec P3AT

Just got the FN, can't wait to fire it. Anybody have any SS190 ammo they'd be willing to part with?
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: TN on March 14, 2008, 11:55:53 PM
Glock 19 w/tritium sights, FNH Five-Seven, Glock 27 w/lasermax, Kel-Tec P3AT

Just got the FN, can't wait to fire it. Anybody have any SS190 ammo they'd be willing to part with?

if more ppl packed like this , criminals would think twice.



 :coolblue:


TN
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Pete7539 on March 15, 2008, 12:01:17 AM
I'd definitely run for cover if I saw this girl http://digg.com/comedy/Skinny_Girl_Owned_By_Desert_Eagle
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: RJ749 on March 15, 2008, 01:51:02 AM
I'd definitely run for cover if I saw this girl http://digg.com/comedy/Skinny_Girl_Owned_By_Desert_Eagle

My kid shot my .50 some when he weighed maybe 130 lbs.  She didn't stand a chance with teh stance, grip etc.  The gun kicks way less than my .44 Anaconda.

By the way, never stand behind a woman firing a big handgun, especially if you gave her more than one round.  The ultimate outcome was as the gun recoiled she held it on her shoulder and it fired the third time.  That killed the guy standing behind her that had brought a group to the range.

http://archives.seattletimes.nwsource.com/cgi-bin/texis.cgi/web/vortex/display?slug=2535311&date=19970423&query=wade%27s+gun+shop
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Pete7539 on March 15, 2008, 10:17:16 AM


By the way, never stand behind a woman firing a big handgun, especially if you gave her more than one round.  The ultimate outcome was as the gun recoiled she held it on her shoulder and it fired the third time.  That killed the guy standing behind her that had brought a group to the range.

http://archives.seattletimes.nwsource.com/cgi-bin/texis.cgi/web/vortex/display?slug=2535311&date=19970423&query=wade%27s+gun+shop

Sad, but not surprising.  :-X
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: naitram on March 18, 2008, 07:56:16 PM
saw this in  American Rifleman

(http://www.smith-wesson.com/wcsstore/Walther//upload/images/firearms/WAP10001.jpg)

Walther PPS - More Conceal, Less Carry

The Walther Police Pistol Slim (PPS) model narrows the margin between concealment and confidence by packing Walther innovation into an unbelievable 1.04 inch profile. It's amazing how much professional-grade design actually fits into this lightweight sub-compact. Available in either 9mm or .40S&W (Fall 2007), the PPS packs in more power. All in all, the PPS embodies both the legendary quality and tradition of innovation that make it not just a great pistol — but a great Walther pistol.

PPS Power - Small Frame, Large Caliber

In 9mm or .40S&W, the PPS has several notable features aimed at better fit and safe performance in its narrow dimensions. From your choice of perfect-fitting backstrap (small or large) to our patented QuickSafe™ innovation, no one packs in the power and features like Walther:

Ambidextrous Magazine Release
Two Magazine Sizes (Third Optional)
Loaded Chamber & Cocking Indicators
Small & Large Backstrap
Trigger Safety
Internal Striker Safety
Walther QuickSafe™ Safety
9mm Caliber
   6 & 7 Round Magazines Included (8 Rounds Available)

.40S&W Caliber
   5 & 6 Round Magazines Included (7 Rounds Available)



http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10002&catalogId=13152&langId=-1&productId=60492&tabselected=over&isFirearm=Y&parent_category_rn=44304
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Fired00d on March 18, 2008, 08:00:14 PM
That's nice... Stop trying to confuse me I still want my Berreta. ;D

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: naitram on March 18, 2008, 08:06:01 PM
only draw back i see is low capacity mags
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: cuthbertss on March 18, 2008, 08:08:51 PM
that and they are awful damn proud of em!  Thats kinda pricey for a back up gun....

i have no issue with the quality being worth it.. its just a lot to invest

Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Fired00d on March 18, 2008, 08:11:23 PM
only draw back i see is low capacity mags
Noticed that (8 max/9mm). Would make a nice backup/ankle holster carry, but I can get 15 round clip for the Berretta. My S&W is small enough now for a backup/ankle holster carry, and that has 12 round clip.

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Pete7539 on March 18, 2008, 09:50:59 PM
Its slightly thinner than Glock 26/27. L and W are even bigger than the Glock and the standard 27 mag holds 9 rounds. Plus the 27 is $200 less. Looks nice though, but not that ni$e.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: naitram on March 19, 2008, 09:39:43 AM
i hear ya, i'm not retiring my G27 any time soon
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Biguglydude on March 19, 2008, 10:23:09 AM
 :huepfenjump3: I love my G27!  Goes everywhere I go!  Hey, why does the lower trigger guard of the PPS swivel down? :confused5:  It does look pretty!
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: naitram on March 19, 2008, 10:27:47 AM
:huepfenjump3: I love my G27!  Goes everywhere I go!  Hey, why does the lower trigger guard of the PPS swivel down? :confused5:  It does look pretty!

i was wondering that myself
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Biguglydude on March 19, 2008, 10:29:50 AM
Never Mind......I found it!!

The magazine release is the latest in Germanic design. The lower part of the triggerguard has a hinged lever, and you press that lever down to release the magazine. It takes some getting used to. However, it is ambidextrous, unobtrusive and, considering that there is absolutely no room on the frame for a customary (to American shooters) magazine button, pretty clever. Not new but still clever.

Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: spydglide on March 19, 2008, 10:32:37 AM
only draw back i see is low capacity mags
I wonder if they (or someone) will make a extended mag for it?   :nixweiss: spyder
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: naitram on March 19, 2008, 10:38:56 AM
will probally depend on how well the gun sells
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: comfortablynumb on March 19, 2008, 11:15:05 AM
uA few comments: the NRA website is the bible for information on interstate travel but if you know that you will be travelling thru a non reciprocity state, my personal favorite is Mass., the firearm should be packed safely,unloaded, separately from ammo, with "no immediate access". Although romantic, any more than 2 rounds in the pr**ks head or chest has been construed in court to change incident status from defensive to offensive; and the dead mofo isn't the only one to legally worry about, friends, family, or an overzealous anti-brian DA or local prosecutor can also press local ordinance violations against you, and fook if I want to go back to deliverance,Alabama (no offense), for a court date, or get yanked off my ride to post. That being said, I hate bad guys, kill em' and let God sort 'em out. Just be careful
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on March 19, 2008, 11:21:12 AM
I tapped a carjacker ten years ago three times with a .45....Three is my number at the range too.
I put 2 in the scumbags chest and once in the skull on the way down after he cut me through the window on my truck...
Cops said nice shootin....but this IS the Gunshine state, thank goodness.   :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: LRebel on March 19, 2008, 11:30:39 AM
Lots of rumblings going on about gun control.  My guess is that if Hitlery and/or Obama get elected, it will be a steep downhill ride for those of us living in states that still allow citizens to own guns and protect themselves with them.

We could be one election and/or a few supreme court appointments from seeing our second amendment rights disappear.  People better wakeup and smell the coffee. :(
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: GMAN on March 19, 2008, 11:41:27 AM
Smith and Wesson 40cal. You never know when you might meet some asshole you used to arrest on a weekly basis.

GMAN
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Biguglydude on March 19, 2008, 12:15:42 PM
Well, I’m probably not the bravest man in the world but, then again, I’m not a coward or stupid either.  I’m 5’11”, 220lb…your typical Caucasian male.  I have a second degree black belt in TKD, taught for over 10 years and could probably hold my own very well against 2 or 3 “unarmed” As***les!  The problem here lies with…what if they’re armed?  Even the greatest Martial Artist in the world is going to at least get cut and sure as hell can’t stop bullets…well he can but not the way he’d like.  What if my wife is with me?  What if my kids are with me?  What if my grandkids are with me?  What if my mother-in-law…hummmmm.  Anyway, I can’t keep all the perps busy with me.  One or two will surely go after them.  I want the choice to be able to deal with the situation at hand and keep myself, as well as those with me, alive.  It’s a shame our society tries to turn defensive situation into a criminal act itself.  Everyone is looking for an easy dollar and suing seems to be the trend.  I’ve made up my mind to deal with the aftermath whatever it may be.  God forbid I should ever have to use this G27.  But, if you’re asking me to choose between jail time or one of my loved ones lives?  Lock me up and throw away the key.  This (IMO) is the first and most important question that needs to be answered before you carry.  Are you willing to go to jail?  Because, chit happens!  Even professional law enforcement officers deal with possibility.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on March 19, 2008, 12:25:59 PM
If somebody intends to do you or yours harm, as in slashing me through an open window with a group of other miscreants waiting to pull me out, rob and kill me, they deserve to die, period.  If my family is involved, double duty.  I wish I had the greezer with me but then I would have gone to the clink because I would have cut them all down.

Property protection isa little dicy, but luckily we have a "castle doctrine" in Florida.  It does not justify homocide but will keep you safe from prosecution, unless you unload on somebody banging on your door as recently happened down here. 
I think the shooter effed up when he went outside after the 1st shot and pumped another one into the idiot on the ground.

"Officer, I was in fear of my life and would like to speak to my lawyer as soon as possible please", keep repeating....

Dirtbags beware, some of us nice guys bite.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: old wrench on March 19, 2008, 12:28:13 PM
Biguglydude I agree 100% there is a high cap. 9mm in one bag and a flask of Crown in the other, that way Im covered as to which type of snake I run into. You just have to learn to respect them both, I dont drink and drive or do drive by shooting, I always pull over first hehehehe
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Biguglydude on March 19, 2008, 12:29:34 PM
 :huepfenjump3: I agree!!....Nice gun!
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on March 19, 2008, 12:32:30 PM
I am going to retire this kimber for a "black gun" that won't get a beat up, as I carry everyday.
I will probably go with the kimber 45 in 3"....
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: old wrench on March 19, 2008, 12:39:57 PM
If somebody intends to do you or yours harm, as in slashing me through an open window with a group of other miscreants waiting to pull me out, rob and kill me, they deserve to die, period.  If my family is involved, double duty.  I wish I had the greezer with me but then I would have gone to the clink because I would have cut them all down.

Property protection isa little dicy, but luckily we have a "castle doctrine" in Florida.  It does not justify homocide but will keep you safe from prosecution, unless you unload on somebody banging on your door as recently happened down here. 
I think the shooter effed up when he went outside after the 1st shot and pumped another one into the idiot on the ground.

"Officer, I was in fear of my life and would like to speak to my lawyer as soon as possible please", keep repeating....

Dirtbags beware, some of us nice guys bite.

Thats not a gun, this is a gun ha, man have a hell of a time getting it in the bags ;)
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Biguglydude on March 19, 2008, 12:53:02 PM
Hey Miker,

That's a nice Kimber!  A 1911 is the next pistol on my list to buy.  And Yes, everyone should have an AR-15.  I don't have any pics handy of my Colt AR-15 but, it sure do group'em nice at 200 yards!
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: RJ749 on March 19, 2008, 12:56:43 PM
saw this in  American Rifleman

(http://www.smith-wesson.com/wcsstore/Walther//upload/images/firearms/WAP10001.jpg)

Walther PPS - More Conceal, Less Carry


Here's the Walther I got awhile back, don't carry this one, more of a collector piece; 75th Anniversary
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Pete7539 on March 19, 2008, 01:27:25 PM
I wonder if they (or someone) will make a extended mag for it?   :nixweiss: spyder

I think the only reasonable extension would be one round (for pinky to wrap around) because I believe its only a single stack mag. Anything bigger would start to look silly like the 30 rd. mag for the Glock.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: spydglide on March 19, 2008, 01:38:03 PM
I think the only reasonable extension would be one round (for pinky to wrap around) because I believe its only a single stack mag. Anything bigger would start to look silly like the 30 rd. mag for the Glock.
'looking silly' doesn't bother me as optional backup mags are only used when reloading and not in a 'carry' situation.  How 'dependable' it feeds is my only concern if I can comfortably carry it. :2vrolijk_21:  spyder
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Pete7539 on March 19, 2008, 01:50:41 PM
Didn't think of it that way, may just tuck a 30 rd. inside jacket pocket for reload :2vrolijk_21:. Quality ammo and a quality gun shouldn't misfeed, but always practice extration/smokestack malfunctions so its second nature should the time come cause you never know when Murphys gonna lay down the law.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: old wrench on March 19, 2008, 02:00:43 PM
Didn't think of it that way, may just tuck a 30 rd. inside jacket pocket for reload :2vrolijk_21:. Quality ammo and a quality gun shouldn't misfeed, but always practice extration/smokestack malfunctions so its second nature should the time come cause you never know when Murphys gonna lay down the law.


Thats a amen brother ol Murphy always shows up and its always at a bad time.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: arcticdude on March 19, 2008, 02:13:00 PM
d00d,
Did you ever wonder why the US Military is the ONLY ones to carry Berettas?  Stick with the Glocks or better 1911's.  You'll always be able to use it.  While I prefer the 45's, I'm probably going to switch to a 9mm.  Most BG's are carrying this or smaller.  Once I drop one of them, I've got more ammo if I need it.  The 9 also has more to begin with in a smaller package.  In most "confrontations" you shoot til empty.  Hopefully you don't have to reload, but if you do, then reloading after 13 and adding 13 is a whole lot better than reloading after 8 and only adding 8.  Think about appendix carry over the ankle carry.  Ankle carry for a primary only has you start falling while you're getting shot.  Your first shot needs to be off in under 2 seconds to be effective.  (Even a close miss will have them starting to duck- certainly a hit is better, but may not always happen.)  You simply can't do that with an ankle carry.  Even SOB (small of back) is tough to get a shot of in less than 2 seconds.  Appendix can be done with a little practice.  The reason for the 2 second shot time is that most confrontations are over in 3 seconds.  Even with a 2 second shot time, you a severely behind the power curve.  At that point, you've already had 3 shots in your direction if they've pulled first.  An airsoft works really well to practice this.

As for filling a BG full of holes, I'm emptying the magazine, reloading and THEN waiting to see if further action is needed.  That's what umbrella policies are for.  Cheap with lots of coverage.  EVERYBODY on this site should have one, whether they carry or not!  It's all about asset protection.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on March 19, 2008, 02:38:49 PM
Thats not a gun, this is a gun ha, man have a hell of a time getting it in the bags ;)

How about a box o guns....The M4 is a real gun make big boom boom.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: old wrench on March 19, 2008, 02:40:50 PM
d00d,
Did you ever wonder why the US Military is the ONLY ones to carry Berettas?  Stick with the Glocks or better 1911's.  You'll always be able to use it.  While I prefer the 45's, I'm probably going to switch to a 9mm.  Most BG's are carrying this or smaller.  Once I drop one of them, I've got more ammo if I need it.  The 9 also has more to begin with in a smaller package.  In most "confrontations" you shoot til empty.  Hopefully you don't have to reload, but if you do, then reloading after 13 and adding 13 is a whole lot better than reloading after 8 and only adding 8.  Think about appendix carry over the ankle carry.  Ankle carry for a primary only has you start falling while you're getting shot.  Your first shot needs to be off in under 2 seconds to be effective.  (Even a close miss will have them starting to duck- certainly a hit is better, but may not always happen.)  You simply can't do that with an ankle carry.  Even SOB (small of back) is tough to get a shot of in less than 2 seconds.  Appendix can be done with a little practice.  The reason for the 2 second shot time is that most confrontations are over in 3 seconds.  Even with a 2 second shot time, you a severely behind the power curve.  At that point, you've already had 3 shots in your direction if they've pulled first.  An airsoft works really well to practice this.

As for filling a BG full of holes, I'm emptying the magazine, reloading and THEN waiting to see if further action is needed.  That's what umbrella policies are for.  Cheap with lots of coverage.  EVERYBODY on this site should have one, whether they carry or not!  It's all about asset protection.

Have you ever seen a Seal take the top works off a Beretta and your standing there with the lower frame in your hand while he has a chuck of iron your fixin to eat oh damn it.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: old wrench on March 19, 2008, 02:48:10 PM
Damn miker you better not even drive close to the airport with that case ha, thats the way to travel ;)
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on March 19, 2008, 02:50:41 PM
Damn miker you better not even drive close to the airport with that case ha, thats the way to travel ;)

Only to and from the camp or range...The greezer is only in its gi  cardboard box...A silenced 22 lr is next on the list.
Guns is like tater chipsor harleys's, cain't have just one!   :cucumber:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Pete7539 on March 19, 2008, 02:51:33 PM
How about a box o guns....The M4 is a real gun make big boom boom.

Is the M4 that much cleaner than than say an FN SLP or Rem. 1100? Benelli claims that the way it reloads makes it that much cleaner and much less to clean than other selfloaders.  I'm contemplating between an M4 and the SLP :nixweiss:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Fired00d on March 19, 2008, 02:53:34 PM
d00d,
Did you ever wonder why the US Military is the ONLY ones to carry Berettas?  Stick with the Glocks or better 1911's.  You'll always be able to use it.  While I prefer the 45's, I'm probably going to switch to a 9mm.  Most BG's are carrying this or smaller.  Once I drop one of them, I've got more ammo if I need it.  The 9 also has more to begin with in a smaller package.  In most "confrontations" you shoot til empty  Hopefully you don't have to reload, but if you do, then reloading after 13 and adding 13 is a whole lot better than reloading after 8 and only adding 8.   Think about appendix carry over the ankle carry. Ankle carry for a primary only has you start falling while you're getting shot.   Your first shot needs to be off in under 2 seconds to be effective.  (Even a close miss will have them starting to duck- certainly a hit is better, but may not always happen.)  You simply can't do that with an ankle carry.  Even SOB (small of back) is tough to get a shot of in less than 2 seconds.  Appendix can be done with a little practice.  The reason for the 2 second shot time is that most confrontations are over in 3 seconds.  Even with a 2 second shot time, you a severely behind the power curve.  At that point, you've already had 3 shots in your direction if they've pulled first.  An airsoft works really well to practice this.

As for filling a BG full of holes, I'm emptying the magazine, reloading and THEN waiting to see if further action is needed.  That's what umbrella policies are for.  Cheap with lots of coverage.  EVERYBODY on this site should have one, whether they carry or not!  It's all about asset protection.
Can't and will not argue the point of there are probably better things out there then the Berretta's, but it's like owning/buying Harley's once you like something it's hard to get away from it. :nixweiss: I know Glocks are better, but they remind me so much of the Mattel guns I used to play w/as a kid. Have always been taught/told to "shoot the threat down" no if, ands, buts about it. I'll have 15 round clips so as you suggested I should be alright in that respect. Definitely will carry on the hip, and only thinking of ankle carry as a backup gun (S&W Model 669) or for some reason I wouldn't be able to conceal on the hip.

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: old wrench on March 19, 2008, 02:59:36 PM
Only to and from the camp or range...The greezer is only in its gi  cardboard box...A silenced 22 lr is next on the list.
Guns is like tater chipsor harleys's, cain't have just one!   :cucumber:


Oh I was a full blown junkie at one time over 270 long rifles and more than 150 hand guns, when I brought home a 4000# safe door from a bank that was being remodeled so I could build a walkin gun safe my wife told me, Honey you really need to think about going to rehab  ;D
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on March 19, 2008, 03:01:50 PM
Is the M4 that much cleaner than than say an FN SLP or Rem. 1100? Benelli claims that the way it reloads makes it that much cleaner and much less to clean than other selfloaders.  I'm contemplating between an M4 and the SLP :nixweiss:

It eats anything, even lowbounce ammo...It seems cleaner (but I'll blast a couple of cases on a shoot) than my remmy (which I love), but the blam blam blam blam blam blam of the m4 is pretty neat and it shoots a tight bunch, murder on clays.  Besides the look on on the foo foo weatherby shooters is great when they see a black gun smashin clays.
 
I need to get the ammo tube extension for two more and the collapsible stock only because, well it is tacticool!

Shoot straight n safe.

 :jalapeno:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on March 19, 2008, 03:04:09 PM

Oh I was a full blown junkie at one time over 270 long rifles and more than 150 hand guns, when I brought home a 4000# safe door from a bank that was being remodeled so I could build a walkin gun safe my wife told me, Honey you really need to think about going to rehab  ;D

I gottcha wrench...I'll am cooling off on them simply so I don't have to get a bigger safe.  I only have 10 or so longs and 4 pistols, so there is room for a few more.... ;)
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Pete7539 on March 19, 2008, 03:07:59 PM
It eats anything, even lowbounce ammo...It seems cleaner (but I'll blast a couple of cases on a shoot) than my remmy (which I love), but the blam blam blam blam blam blam of the m4 is pretty neat and it shoots a tight bunch, murder on clays.  Besides the look on on the foo foo weatherby shooters is great when they see a black gun smashin clays.
 
I need to get the ammo tube extension for two more and the collapsible stock only because, well it is tacticool!

Shoot straight n safe.

 :jalapeno:

Thanks, I'll probably go w/ the M4 then. This is probably what you're lookin for http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/Store/ProductDetail.aspx?p=23213   I'll be sure to get one
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: old wrench on March 19, 2008, 03:13:30 PM
I gottcha wrench...I'll am cooling off on them simply so I don't have to get a bigger safe.  I only have 10 or so longs and 4 pistols, so there is room for a few more.... ;)


Yep they stay in my safe and one under my pillow unless the grandkids come over, then that one gets put up. You can always buy another safe, uh lets see what is the combo to his one
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: cuthbertss on March 19, 2008, 08:22:07 PM
Have you ever seen a Seal take the top works off a Beretta and your standing there with the lower frame in your hand while he has a chuck of iron your fixin to eat oh damn it.

they actually fixed that problem about 10yrs ago..but still
its one of the many issues with the Beretta that i can think of....  only touch em when i has to!
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: old wrench on March 19, 2008, 10:09:22 PM
they actually fixed that problem about 10yrs ago..but still
its one of the many issues with the Beretta that i can think of....  only touch em when i has to!

I had heard they made a change in that, the one I had was a sweet shooter, but that was a draw back on it. You can lock nearly any auto down if you got the nerve to grab and pull it into your stmoach, you just better be strong enough to hold it while you beat the H out of him with your free hand, wheel guns are the same way if you can hand lock the cylinder. Its good to know if some one is close to you and they look serious about pulling the trigger. My father always told me dont pull the gun unless your going to use it and when the music is done you better be the only on standing. I hope that day never comes.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Pete7539 on March 20, 2008, 12:16:41 PM
Thanks, I'll probably go w/ the M4 then. This is probably what you're lookin for http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/Store/ProductDetail.aspx?p=23213   I'll be sure to get one


Even better yet http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=94613691
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: old wrench on March 24, 2008, 08:17:29 AM
Man I think these would sale good at a rally, Im going to get one for each bag  ;D

http://www.doubleviking.com:80/videos/tag/awesome/page0.html/8409.html       
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: AXIL on March 24, 2008, 10:38:23 AM
GLOCK 17,  OLDER MODEL,  NO SAFTY JUST FIRST PULL A LITTLE HARDER AND ADRENALINE WILL TAKE CARE OF THAT.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: arcticdude on March 24, 2008, 04:07:28 PM
Saiga 12 for a shotgun works quite well!  Faster than the Benny's and Remmy's.  Easier to reload 10 rounds, too!  Good pattern with anything I've tried.  It really likes slugs.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on March 24, 2008, 04:38:20 PM
Saiga 12 for a shotgun works quite well!  Faster than the Benny's and Remmy's.  Easier to reload 10 rounds, too!  Good pattern with anything I've tried.  It really likes slugs.

I am tempted to order one in auto! They are cool!   :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on March 24, 2008, 05:37:02 PM
I love em...

http://www.tromix.com/Welcome.htm
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Rooster452 on March 24, 2008, 08:47:15 PM
I love em...

http://www.tromix.com/Welcome.htm

Now that brings back memories of dove hunting in Wellington.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Talon on March 31, 2008, 01:44:26 PM
I haven't read this yet, it was sent to me by a friend. Just thought I'd post it and let you look.

http://uscca.us/contests/signup/i_am_an_armed_american.html
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: arcticdude on April 01, 2008, 07:57:53 PM
I "subscribed" to that newsletter for a little while, just to see if it was any good.  Mostly nothing but trying to get you to pay to be let on another forum and see the "paid-up members valuable sections".  Don't waste your time.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Talon on April 01, 2008, 08:09:35 PM
I "subscribed" to that newsletter for a little while, just to see if it was any good.  Mostly nothing but trying to get you to pay to be let on another forum and see the "paid-up members valuable sections".  Don't waste your time.

Ok, thanks, it was sent to me and I haven't gotten around to reading it. I guess I'll look at the free stuff, and then get rid of it.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Fired00d on April 01, 2008, 08:11:31 PM
I subscribed to it too, but haven't gotten a copy yet. I guess I'll be unsubscribing. :nixweiss:

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Keats on April 03, 2008, 10:02:17 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gIvAL7oxa0

nice Glock.......

I want one!
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sklywag on April 03, 2008, 11:28:39 PM
yep
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Capo on April 04, 2008, 12:48:17 AM
that would drill a hole for the satellite dish-huh?
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: sadunbar on April 04, 2008, 08:27:24 AM
that would drill a hole for the satellite dish-huh?

I think that would drill a hole to park a freight train!
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Biguglydude on April 04, 2008, 09:22:04 AM
  :nervous: Wow, are you happy to see me, or is that a 50 cal in your pocket? :nixweiss:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: jimp on April 05, 2008, 04:46:12 PM
Kel-Tec .380


(http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL488/1126801/2125100/312030167.jpg)



Rohrbaugh 9mm $945

(http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL488/1126801/2125100/312030910.jpg)

Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Chief on April 05, 2008, 05:00:19 PM
Kel-Tec .380


(http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL488/1126801/2125100/312030167.jpg)



Rohrbaugh 9mm $945

(http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL488/1126801/2125100/312030910.jpg)



Jimp,

With that wig I think you'd be PERFECT on the Moto crew for the Tampa 3-Day Komen Breast Cancer Walk. I did it last year and it was a lot of fun. Women everywhere, and very appreciative. ;)

:indian_chief:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Coolbreeze on April 05, 2008, 10:11:19 PM
WOW!  a grand for that rorbaugh?  I figured spendy, but not outrageous!  How does it shoot? :nixweiss:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Screamin_Beagle on April 05, 2008, 11:32:18 PM
The membership of this board never ceases to amaze me with their total lack of street smarts!!!! Number one,  If....and only if I did carry a piece,  I would never disclose it to anyone.  Not even my brothers!!(they would have to get that info from me, and only me, should I let them have it).  Second, should something happen, the last thing that I would want is a website, with my IP address associated with it, as well as a screen name with pictures of the weapon and me braggin' bout what I carry.......I don't believe that there are 27 pages of you guy's with pictures of the gun's that you tote.  If you guy's want Field and Stream.....there's a website for that,  Gun's and Ammo has one too!!!!!


_Beags
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: naitram on April 07, 2008, 01:24:11 PM
if you are leagely entitled to carry, and ever pull the trigger in a legaly accepted manner then you have nothing to worry about.

what about the posts bragging about excessive speeding...... and pictures of the GPS to prove it.

if you post intent and then go Columbine or VT...... well that posting will be the least of your problems
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: naitram on April 07, 2008, 01:24:55 PM
somewhat on topic....

former NRA president Charlton Heston passed away this weekend

http://www.boston.com/ae/movies/gallery/charltonheston/
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: blowncobra on April 07, 2008, 04:23:28 PM
Springfeild V-10 ported .45 or Colt Delta Elite 10mm with laser grips or H&K Mark 23 or any of their little friends :coolblue:, ya never know when you might run into a bunch of bikers  :nixweiss: 
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: jimp on April 07, 2008, 05:54:06 PM
If run across any of these at a good price, you may want to snatch it up.


(http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL488/1126801/2125100/310841804.jpg)
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: jimp on April 07, 2008, 05:57:26 PM
WOW!  a grand for that rorbaugh?  I figured spendy, but not outrageous!  How does it shoot? :nixweiss:


The Rorbaugh will hurt your hand with enough rounds down the range, so will the Kel-tec. They both group good for what they are.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Coolbreeze on April 08, 2008, 03:29:46 PM
I would think so!  So... would you refer to the recoil as robust? or just sharp and nasty?   :D :nervous:

Then again, I run a Desert Eagle .50AE, and I like the recoil on that better than the recoil on the Walther PPKS that I had run...   (robust versus sharp and nasty...) 
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: oldharleyguy on April 26, 2008, 10:09:48 PM
trial by 12 or carried by 6.  I like my chances with 12 of my peers.  Funny story, was in Sturgis back in 06 and went through a bullchit stop sign that was haunted by the local police.  Well they pulled over 4 bikes and a suburban and gave us all 97 dollar tickets for running the stop sign.   as the cop was writing my ticket he looked at me and said, " you don't have any dangerous weapons on ya do you?"    And they allow this guys to carry guns!
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Capo on April 26, 2008, 10:58:43 PM
I may knpw where there's a Baretta .40 if needed ;D
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: spydglide on April 27, 2008, 02:45:15 PM
Colt Commander Wilson Combat upgrades, extended mag with Black Talons in a Galco pancake holster and and extra clip   :2vrolijk_21:

.22 Mag with HP's or Snake Shot in a pocket holster. 

Sean   Agree, Agree.....FlaMarine.  :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21: har!  spyder
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: 2PAK on April 28, 2008, 12:15:08 AM
I read these “what do you carry” threads on various bike forums.  It can be amusing.  I wonder if some guys think they’re going to be in own version of the 1969 “True Grit” movie simultaneously firing and driving with reins of their iron horse in their mouth.  :bananarock:

I personally carry, I always have.  :2vrolijk_21:  I believe in it and recommend it for folks who’ve had proper training, can do it legally (haven’t been convicted of felonies etc), aren’t on their way to becoming nut cases.   :nervous:

Here’s my two cents on what works for me.  For rides around my hood, about a 100 mile radius, I carry a S/W model 642 5-shot revolver with hollow points in a Mika pocket holster.  I also carry one strip of 6 rounds in the other pocket which are so light to carry I forget they are there sometimes.   On the bike, I carry a “Center of Mass” small lockable gun safe for those times when I need to go into a place for a bite to eat that also happens to be a bar.  In my state, you can’t legally carry in a bar.   :drink:   By the way, no one has ever seen me make the transition from carry to a lockable state on the bike.  I just manage to do it without being noticed.  Obviously, I don’t broadcast to anyone that I am carrying so it’s not something folks are watching out for either.  :P
 
I recommend wearing black jeans as that color doesn’t “print” as much as blue jeans.  Having said that, no one has ever made me having the above set  up on me whether I’ve got black or blue jeans on and that includes several LEO’s that I stand right next to and speak with from time to time.

Frankly, as someone who’s carried wearing an ankle holster for years on the job, I recommend against it.  I could go on and on about why but, no need.  I have no problem wearing a shoulder holster while on a bike assuming you know how to wear it and conceal it or with wearing an inside the waistband holster, again assuming you know who to wear it and conceal it.  I generally just prefer the front pocket Mika Holster with a .38 for my in town rides or to the store.

On my rides beyond 100 mile radius or overnighters etc, I also pack a SIG 220 Equinox .45 with three clips on the bike.  The SIG is my personal favorite SHTF weapon of choice and I have a lot of other SHTF pieces to choose from but I know that the SIG is the best and safest rod to pack and depend on.
 
My two cents and I know some will disagree with the above but I’m the new guy so give me a mulligan on this one.. :pineapple:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Biguglydude on April 28, 2008, 07:45:35 AM
Welcome 2PAK...no need for a mulligan here.  I see nothing wrong with your line of defense.   :2vrolijk_21:  As a matter of fact it sounds very familiar (only with a G-27.)  I've also found that just being on a Harley with leathers and such somewhat stigmatizing!  Everyone thinks we are packing anyway  :nixweiss: !  Must be that Hollywood thing again....LOL.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on April 28, 2008, 07:59:13 AM
Welcome 2pak..no mully needed...I am still looking for a new front pocket piece and have not found the new ruger lcp in 380...My kimber ucp 3" is just a little too heavy but a blast to shoot....

I'd like to strap a shotrgun on the bike for traffic issues though!   ;)
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on April 29, 2008, 08:49:03 PM
Quote
I have no problem wearing a shoulder holster while on a bike assuming you know how to wear it and conceal it or with wearing an inside the waistband holster, again assuming you know who to wear it and conceal it.

After my first trip to Iraq in 05-06 I was so conditioned to wearing a shoulder holster that I had to get one at home...it wasn't really bad when I was in civvies, but when I was in uniform after coming home, all of a sudden I would realized I wasn't wearing my obligatory Galco Jackass - and I would freak out thinking I had left my pistol "somewhere"... 

I have a Jackass for my Colt Commander, but never really use it...just too much of a PIA to be all covered up.

Sean
I am the tall one on the right...
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: 2PAK on April 29, 2008, 09:24:07 PM
Sean,
Cool pic!!

Perhaps a S/W 642 .38 in a shoulder holster might work.  It's higher up and smaller (less of a print).  I've worn a set up like that under my uniform shirt (t-shirt>shoulder holster>uniform shirt) long ago in my past life when I refused to carry my second piece in an ankle holster.  While it's not a fast draw, it's not like any of us are going to get in any shoot-outs while riding the bike and, its pretty easy to get to it if needed with some practice.  Of couse in hot weather it's not fun which is why i prefer my front pocket.  In cooler weather (like here in Seattle) it's not a problem.  Cheers,
Marines 72-76
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Air1 on April 29, 2008, 09:26:55 PM
Welcome 2pak..no mully needed...I am still looking for a new front pocket piece and have not found the new ruger lcp in 380...My kimber ucp 3" is just a little too heavy but a blast to shoot....

I'd like to strap a shotrgun on the bike for traffic issues though!   ;)

Looking to fix some traffic problems in Delray, I'd start with a 20mm cannon?

I've been looking for the new ruger too.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Fired00d on April 29, 2008, 09:30:11 PM
Sean,
Cool pic!!

Perhaps a S/W 642 .38 in a shoulder holster might work.  It's higher up and smaller (less of a print).  I've worn a set up like that under my uniform shirt (t-shirt>shoulder holster>uniform shirt) long ago in my past life when I refused to carry my second piece in an ankle holster.  While it's not a fast draw, it's not like any of us are going to get in any shoot-outs while riding the bike and, its pretty easy to get to it if needed with some practice.  Of couse in hot weather it's not fun which is why i prefer my front pocket.  In cooler weather (like here in Seattle) it's not a problem.  Cheers,
Marines 72-76
Another "Jarhead". 6/75 - 6/78 here. :2vrolijk_21:

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Capo on April 29, 2008, 11:00:42 PM
Sean,
Cool pic!!

Perhaps a S/W 642 .38 in a shoulder holster might work.  It's higher up and smaller (less of a print).  I've worn a set up like that under my uniform shirt (t-shirt>shoulder holster>uniform shirt) long ago in my past life when I refused to carry my second piece in an ankle holster.  While it's not a fast draw, it's not like any of us are going to get in any shoot-outs while riding the bike and, its pretty easy to get to it if needed with some practice.  Of couse in hot weather it's not fun which is why i prefer my front pocket.  In cooler weather (like here in Seattle) it's not a problem.  Cheers,
Marines 72-76

I have an old S&W model 66 that is exactly what you want or a Ruger Security 6 not mags but with the loads you can get today OTC they are close to the same kinetic energy at the end-couple with a JHP and BINGO! Still prefer my 40-Berreta for quick!
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on April 30, 2008, 08:00:59 AM
Looking to fix some traffic problems in Delray, I'd start with a 20mm cannon?

I've been looking for the new ruger too.

If you find them Tom, buy 2!
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: mr_magoo on April 30, 2008, 09:18:06 AM
Springfield XD40 subcompact with 2 extra clips. Good luck looking for the Ruger LCP I have heard that Kel tec is suing Ruger and all shipments have stopped figures I'm next on the list of folks wiating.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on April 30, 2008, 09:20:16 AM
Springfield XD40 subcompact with 2 extra clips. Good luck looking for the Ruger LCP I have heard that Kel tec is suing Ruger and all shipments have stopped figures I'm next on the list of folks wiating.

Really? Go figure...I heared no so good things about the KT..That is why I was looking for the rug...
I'll check out the Springxd40.  Thanks
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Air1 on April 30, 2008, 12:03:18 PM
I'll check out the Spfld XD40 looks good, the KT was always priced. I know several PBSO carry the KT off duty.
The rug looks just like it and I heard they were a hot item, so the price was up if you can find one.
I'll talk with a KT dealer tomorrow night.  ;)
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Hoist! on April 30, 2008, 03:18:10 PM
Bikers were boycotting Ruger a few years ago. Don't know if their policies changed at all. Rugers are made in a no-helmet req'd state, but they refused their employees health insurance if the employee didn't wear a hemet. Don't know if that matters to anyone, or if things have subsequently changed, but their discriminastory policy turned off a lot of bikers from buying their guns. ;)

Hoist! 8)
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: LRebel on April 30, 2008, 04:17:39 PM
Bikers were boycotting Ruger a few years ago. Don't know if their policies changed at all. Rugers are made in a no-helmet req'd state, but they refused their employees health insurance if the employee didn't wear a hemet. Don't know if that matters to anyone, or if things have subsequently changed, but their discriminastory policy turned off a lot of bikers from buying their guns. ;)

Hoist! 8)

Don't know for sure, but I would guess that the helmet requirement had more to do with the health insurance provider than Ruger.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on May 01, 2008, 11:44:17 AM
Sean,
Cool pic!!

Perhaps a S/W 642 .38 in a shoulder holster might work.  It's higher up and smaller (less of a print).  I've worn a set up like that under my uniform shirt (t-shirt>shoulder holster>uniform shirt) long ago in my past life when I refused to carry my second piece in an ankle holster.  While it's not a fast draw, it's not like any of us are going to get in any shoot-outs while riding the bike and, its pretty easy to get to it if needed with some practice.  Of couse in hot weather it's not fun which is why i prefer my front pocket.  In cooler weather (like here in Seattle) it's not a problem.  Cheers,
Marines 72-76

Chucks good to go - funny all the "Chuck Norris Facts" you read in the Port O Crappers in and around Iraq...  Chuck Norris doesn't get wet when he jumps in a lake, the lake gets Chuck Norris'd.  Great guy and an "Honorary Marine".

I was looking at The Horse mag today and saw a link for Barney's Leathers.com that has a concealed leather vest that looks interesting...gonna check that out. 

Sean
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Hugh Janis on May 01, 2008, 11:54:05 AM
When the boogey man goes to bed, he looks under the bed for Chuck Norris!  or Chuck Norris doesn't sleep, he WAITS!
http://www.chucknorrisfacts.com/
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Keats on May 03, 2008, 03:20:10 PM

 Some of you can identify with this more than other.......

Doctors vs. Gunowners
 
 Doctors

(A) The number of physicians in the U.S. is  700,000.
 
(B) Accidental deaths caused by Physicians  per year are  120,000.

(C) Accidental deaths per physician 0.171

Statistics courtesy of U.S. Dept of  Health Human Services.

 
Now think about this:
 
Guns


(A) The number of gun owners in the U.S. is  80,000,000.
 
        (Yes, that's 80 million)
 
(B) The number of accidental gun deaths per year, all age groups,  is 1,500.
 
 
(C) The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is  .000188

Statistics courtesy of FBI
 

 
So, statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners.
 
Remember, 'Guns don't kill people, Doctors do.'
 
FACT: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN, BUT ALMOST EVERYONE HAS AT LEAST ONE DOCTOR.


Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Trapperdog on May 06, 2008, 07:12:23 PM
Here is a girl that may need a doctor!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5O14JsggUFI&feature=related
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on May 06, 2008, 07:35:18 PM
Well, I got a bug up my azz and bought a Rudger lcp 380...I let you how it pops when I get it...
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on May 06, 2008, 07:36:13 PM
Ruger....Ruger... :o
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Hoist! on May 06, 2008, 07:57:51 PM
Ruger....Ruger... :o

Did Ruger require you to wear a helmet, even though it's not req'd by law in FL, before you bought it! ::)

Hoist! 8)
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: HogBreath on May 06, 2008, 09:19:57 PM
I live in Kentucky. I had a gun once.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Hoist! on May 06, 2008, 10:13:20 PM
I live in Kentucky. I had a gun once.

Yeah, and then ya got a whole bunch more, huh! :huepfenjump3: :huepfenjump3: :huepfenjump3:

Hoist! 8)
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: spydglide on May 06, 2008, 10:34:21 PM
Did Ruger require you to wear a helmet, even though it's not req'd by law in FL, before you bought it! ::)

Hoist! 8)
Did they really get away with requiring all their employees to do that?  Seems like that should have been 'challenged'.  :o spyder
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Hoist! on May 06, 2008, 10:40:40 PM
Did they really get away with requiring all their employees to do that?  Seems like that should have been 'challenged'.  :o spyder

They were. The AMA even got involved. Don't know if there was a resolution or the outcome. I just remember reading all the outcries about their policy, and the subsequent boycotting campaign.

Hoist! 8)
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: AXIL on May 06, 2008, 10:56:50 PM
I thought chuck was in the air force.  don't know just asking.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: old wrench on May 07, 2008, 06:19:54 AM
Here is a girl that may need a doctor!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5O14JsggUFI&feature=related

If Ruger gets a look at this, they may require a full face helmet  :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: poor girl
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: 07 CVO on May 07, 2008, 07:18:33 AM
If Ruger gets a look at this, they may require a full face helmet  :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: poor girl

I bet that was her last time firing... :'(
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: ima29 on May 07, 2008, 09:31:25 AM
I only carry when in the lower 48. When you have a S&W 50 that is considered bear protection in Alaska. When I carry, Glock 10 and my wife XD 9.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on May 13, 2008, 06:48:40 AM
I thought chuck was in the air force.  don't know just asking.

Dunno - but he is an "honorary Marine" now!   :bananarock:

I guess he continues to get better  :D

Sean
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on May 13, 2008, 09:03:40 PM
Here is a girl that may need a doctor!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5O14JsggUFI&feature=related

Holy Crap that was funny... 

Back in the day I used to shoot on a team for my battalion in "The Division Matches", rifle and pistol, two week long affair, anyway, it was still the .45 in those days...and the armorers would file the sears down to make them pull lighter for the shooters, one handed stance shooting. 

It was not uncommon to have a pistol go full auto for 7 rounds.  One day it happened and the last round put a hole in the brim of the Marines cover.  He was scared chitless, but managed to pull off a "hey that was cool" move and must have cleaned his shorts out of sight of the rest of us...he had the indentation of the sight in his forehead.   ???

Sean
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Lzyboy on May 13, 2008, 10:19:44 PM
I should have known better to spit my dip out before I watched that clip. I cant stop LMA off :huepfenlol2:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Hoist! on May 13, 2008, 10:34:22 PM
That happened to a girl when we were shooting upstate a few years back. She was a bloody mess though! :nixweiss:

Hoist! 8)
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: CVOJOE on May 14, 2008, 12:30:24 AM
Damn good thing she didn't bite her tongue off, would sorta handicap her sexually...... :bananarock: :huepfenjump3:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on May 14, 2008, 08:58:36 AM
Damn good thing she didn't bite her tongue off, would sorta handicap her sexually...... :bananarock: :huepfenjump3:

Not if she had her teeth knocked out also... :bananarock:

Sean
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: harleydawg57 on May 15, 2008, 02:41:53 PM
I wonder is she hit the target?
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: BigLew on May 15, 2008, 04:50:35 PM
Bike/Car the Glock 27 (40)  The Glocks hold up to the heat / sweating / moisture very well.

for carrying it is usually the H&K P7M13 (9mm)

I love the P7M8, It is very accurate and a good size. Just bought a FN Five-SeveN and it is the coolest with 3 20 round clips and the hot rounds I'm having reloaded it would stop you! And its easy on the recoil.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Pete7539 on May 15, 2008, 08:15:51 PM
I love the P7M8, It is very accurate and a good size. Just bought a FN Five-SeveN and it is the coolest with 3 20 round clips and the hot rounds I'm having reloaded it would stop you! And its easy on the recoil.

http://fnforum.net/index.php all the accessories for your new toy can be found here.

http://www.eliteammunition.com/index.htm    very nice loads here.      Have fun :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: 03glide120 on May 18, 2008, 06:12:31 PM
We just bought

For the Wife S+W model 642 Airweight 1 7/8" barrel  .38 spl+p added Crimson Trace LG-105 Laser grips
For my self S+W model 340pd Airlite pd 1 7/8" barrel .357 mag added Crimson Trace LG-405 Laser grips
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: 03glide120 on May 18, 2008, 06:25:43 PM
O ya our house was broken into 2 weeks a go while we were southern Indiana. 30,000. in guns and jewelry gone.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Coolbreeze on May 18, 2008, 08:31:46 PM
O ya our house was broken into 2 weeks a go while we were southern Indiana. 30,000. in guns and jewelry gone.

Ain't that just the $hit$...    I felt raped for months after our house got looted the last time....     And I caught the little $hits 2 weeks after they hits....   (high school kids, looking for a thrill and some spending change...)   I didn't get much of it back, but I got some satisfaction...
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on May 19, 2008, 06:02:21 AM
O ya our house was broken into 2 weeks a go while we were southern Indiana. 30,000. in guns and jewelry gone.

Gun Safe?

That was one of the first things I did when I had my first kid - I had a "mishap" when I was a kid with a .45 my dad left lying around loaded with a 3rd grader in the house (oddly I own it now - Remington Rand 1911 he took home from Vietnam).  Vowed never to let that happen to my kids. 

Fireproof etc - and we have an alarm, and a large Labrador also.  A few layers of defense, at least it might make it not worth a crooks time.  Should they break in while I am home, they are f'd.

Sorry you had that happen to you!

Sean
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on June 22, 2008, 04:13:16 PM
New toy - gonna see if they can order it for me at the PX...   :bananarock: :bananarock:

Ruger LCP (http://www.ruger.com/Firearms/FAFamily?type=Pistol&subtype=Centerfire%20Autoloading&famlst=64)
Sean
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Keats on June 22, 2008, 04:16:37 PM
New toy - gonna see if they can order it for me at the PX...   :bananarock: :bananarock:

Ruger LCP (http://www.ruger.com/Firearms/FAFamily?type=Pistol&subtype=Centerfire%20Autoloading&famlst=64)
Sean

Nice looking carry piece.....if it is more reliable than a Wather PPK I might get one.....I wonder how much?
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on June 22, 2008, 04:17:59 PM
Nice looking carry piece.....if it is more reliable than a Wather PPK I might get one.....I wonder how much?

It's a Ruger, swear by their other products.

$335!!

Sean
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: BIGDOG on June 22, 2008, 05:07:43 PM
Why a simi auto, a double action revolver works with one hand. Just wondering. :confused5:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on June 22, 2008, 05:10:38 PM
Why a simi auto, a double action revolver works with one hand. Just wondering. :confused5:

So does this, its DA only...  Smoother then a wheel gun and easier to reload - should you ever need to.

Sean
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Keats on June 22, 2008, 05:37:02 PM
Why a simi auto, a double action revolver works with one hand. Just wondering. :confused5:

slimmer profile......6 + 1 rounds vs 6 and slam anther clip in....done
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Capo on June 22, 2008, 05:54:45 PM
Why a simi auto, a double action revolver works with one hand. Just wondering. :confused5:
Way more than 6 shots and reloads faster!
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: SPIDERMAN on June 22, 2008, 05:57:52 PM
I think I asked this question about 30 pages of posts ago

Why are you guys saying whether you do or you don't

I mean isn't that the whole idea of  " concealed"

B B



Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: BIGDOG on June 22, 2008, 06:22:22 PM
So does this, its DA only...  Smoother then a wheel gun and easier to reload - should you ever need to.

Sean
Answered my question thanks. As for reload Not an issue!!!
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: elvislee on June 22, 2008, 07:29:34 PM
I got a S&W Model 66...She's a sweetie but a little big to conceal IMHO; anyway, I've been thinking of buying a semi-auto Glock, something small in stature (like Sean's Ruger photo) to carry around. I don't shoot a lot just have weapon for home and self defense and am not a gun encyclopedia by any means. Does anyone know of how well the compensated Glock works in low lit conditions? I've talked to a few folks who say it interferes with their sight picture in low light. In other words I guess there is a flash of light from the two ports at the top that somehow interferes with sighting for the next shot...Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Pete7539 on June 22, 2008, 08:42:12 PM
No more than you'll get from the muzzle flash in low lighting with a non-c model. Tritium sights are very bright and you shouldn't have any problem with a followup shot, but Lasermax is an excellent low light laser system that replaces the recoil spring on the Glock with an ambidextrous on off switch that replaces the takedown lever. There are several sites that have them for under $300. Lasermax also now has a green daytime laser setup that mounts to the rail system on the frame, nothing internal yet. As for the gun, they're failsafe and idiot proof and have been tested 10,000 rounds with no cleaning and no malfunction.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on June 22, 2008, 08:45:39 PM
I think I asked this question about 30 pages of posts ago

Why are you guys saying whether you do or you don't

I mean isn't that the whole idea of  " concealed"

B B


Cause now you will never know if we are - or aren't... 

Would you be willing to take that chance if you were a bad guy?  That's why I never like to use a butt pack to carry, they are like a big "Shoot Me First" sign.  (Like being 6'6" with a high and tight and a USMC t-shirt wouldn't do the same - but not much I can change there other then the T-shirt  :nixweiss:).

Sean
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: SPIDERMAN on June 22, 2008, 09:38:09 PM
Cause now you will never know if we are - or aren't...   

Would you be willing to take that chance if you were a bad guy?  That's why I never like to use a butt pack to carry, they are like a big "Shoot Me First" sign.  (Like being 6'6" with a high and tight and a USMC t-shirt wouldn't do the same - but not much I can change there other then the T-shirt  :nixweiss:).

Sean

ummmm errrrrr ahhhhhhhhh Sean, isn't your post what I'm saying in my post ?

 I don't mind BSin and agreeing to disagree, but we're agreeing too agree on this one I think  :nixweiss:

B B
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Coolbreeze on June 22, 2008, 11:38:31 PM
B B,
I can answer your question.  Because if all of us agreed to carry, and agreed to admit that we carry, at all times...  The bad kids would have to find a different playground to play on.   And none of them know what we look like, so now they would have to shoot ALL of us first....      THAT puts them in a bad position.    And I like it when they sweat! 
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on June 23, 2008, 06:22:01 AM
ummmm errrrrr ahhhhhhhhh Sean, isn't your post what I'm saying in my post ?

 I don't mind BSin and agreeing to disagree, but we're agreeing too agree on this one I think  :nixweiss:

B B

crap, you mean we agree?   :oops:

Oh well.

Sean
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Capo on June 23, 2008, 08:55:06 AM
crap, you mean we agree?   :oops:

Oh well.

Sean

Wow now that's scary!
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on June 23, 2008, 10:18:32 AM
New toy - gonna see if they can order it for me at the PX...   :bananarock: :bananarock:

Ruger LCP (http://www.ruger.com/Firearms/FAFamily?type=Pistol&subtype=Centerfire%20Autoloading&famlst=64)
Sean

I have one....the teets....and tiny...90 gr corbon gonna sting and can carry mexi! Woowoo!  I am still waiting on a mag extension for one more finger, it barks a little....Still love my Kimber after 10k rounds though.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on June 23, 2008, 11:08:44 AM
I have one....the teets....and tiny...90 gr corbon gonna sting and can carry mexi! Woowoo!  I am still waiting on a mag extension for one more finger, it barks a little....Still love my Kimber after 10k rounds though.

Had to kill time this morning before my pistol range class ( :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21: GET PAID!!! to Shoot T-Th and I get PAID to RIDE Friday!  :bananarock: :bananarock:) and they will order it for me at the PX - $277!

Sean
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Hugh Janis on June 23, 2008, 11:12:03 AM
Had to kill time this morning before my pistol range class ( :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21: GET PAID!!! to Shoot T-Th and I get PAID to RIDE Friday!  :bananarock: :bananarock:) and they will order it for me at the PX - $277!

Sean

Life is good!
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on June 23, 2008, 11:14:22 AM
Life is good!

Hell yeah, shootin and ridin all in one week?  Only thing better is that we are riding to a BATTLESHIP!!  The North Carolina in Wilmington - get to see the guns that can fling projectiles that weigh as much as Volkswagens 20 miles!!   :orange:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on June 23, 2008, 11:20:13 AM
Great price on the ruger, I paid 3 hun plus transfer but I am an idiot when I get a bug up my ass about what I want when.

VW's chucked 20 miles?? Now that a gun mate!  :orange:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: spydglide on June 23, 2008, 04:27:43 PM
a BATTLESHIP!!  The North Carolina in Wilmington - get to see the guns that can fling projectiles that weigh as much as Volkswagens 20 miles!!   :orange:
Oh yesssssss.  I still remember the woo-woo-wwooo sound they made as the New Jersey chunked 'um over us on the So. China Sea beach inland........then you'd just feel the ground tremble as they impacted.  Impressive.  ;) har!  spyder
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Coolbreeze on June 23, 2008, 08:36:08 PM
Had to kill time this morning before my pistol range class ( :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21: GET PAID!!! to Shoot T-Th and I get PAID to RIDE Friday!  :bananarock: :bananarock:) and they will order it for me at the PX - $277!

Sean

I didn't know we could order gun throught eh PX!  How do I do that!?  uhh...   you might want to send me a pm....  dumb ass retired guy that I am.... :coolblue:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: elvislee on June 23, 2008, 10:10:37 PM
I didn't know we could order gun through eh PX!  How do I do that!?  uhh...   you might want to send me a pm....  dumb ass retired guy that I am.... :coolblue:

Me too! I never thought about the PX. I haven't been in one but once since I retired. The closest base to me is a Coast Guard Base, then Pensacola Naval Air Station and Keesler AFB. Thanks for that post Coolbreeze, I might would never thunk the PX purchase thing; I might be able to find a Glock through the PX a little cheaper :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: elvislee on June 23, 2008, 10:24:19 PM
No more than you'll get from the muzzle flash in low lighting with a non-c model. Tritium sights are very bright and you shouldn't have any problem with a followup shot, but Lasermax is an excellent low light laser system that replaces the recoil spring on the Glock with an ambidextrous on off switch that replaces the takedown lever. There are several sites that have them for under $300. Lasermax also now has a green daytime laser setup that mounts to the rail system on the frame, nothing internal yet. As for the gun, they're failsafe and idiot proof and have been tested 10,000 rounds with no cleaning and no malfunction.

Thanks Pete...Hey when I think about it, may not have time to aim any damn way. Just point in that direction and the rapid fire is on :2vrolijk_21: Seriously though; just looking for something auto, light, and small. Thinking along the line of a Glock 26, 6.2" length (slide), 4.1" Height, 12 rd mag and 9mm. I was thinking compensated just for less recoil and maybe that xtra split sec advantage one might get for all shots after the first...but hey...what the hell do I know?...Don't anyone answer that ;D
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Unbalanced on June 23, 2008, 10:32:32 PM
Thanks Pete...Hey when I think about it, may not have time to aim any damn way. Just point in that direction and the rapid fire is on :2vrolijk_21: Seriously though; just looking for something auto, light, and small. Thinking along the line of a Glock 26, 6.2" length (slide), 4.1" Height, 12 rd mag and 9mm. I was thinking compensated just for less recoil and maybe that xtra split sec advantage one might get for all shots after the first...but hey...what the hell do I know?...Don't anyone answer that ;D

Elvislee,

Have you considered the 27 over the 26 for the stopping power of the 40 over the 9mm?

 http://www.remtek.com/arms/glock/model/9/26/index.htm  (http://www.remtek.com/arms/glock/model/9/26/index.htm)

 http://www.remtek.com/arms/glock/model/40/27/index.htm  (http://www.remtek.com/arms/glock/model/40/27/index.htm)

There is a 1 shot difference and 4 gram weight difference of the magazine.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: elvislee on June 24, 2008, 12:13:38 AM
Elvislee,

Have you considered the 27 over the 26 for the stopping power of the 40 over the 9mm?

 http://www.remtek.com/arms/glock/model/9/26/index.htm  (http://www.remtek.com/arms/glock/model/9/26/index.htm)

 http://www.remtek.com/arms/glock/model/40/27/index.htm  (http://www.remtek.com/arms/glock/model/40/27/index.htm)

There is a 1 shot difference and 4 gram weight difference of the magazine.

Hey Unbalanced...Thanks for the links...very interesting thought on the model 27. Will keep this info under the chrome dome...Thanks
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on June 24, 2008, 06:17:14 AM
Me too! I never thought about the PX. I haven't been in one but once since I retired. The closest base to me is a Coast Guard Base, then Pensacola Naval Air Station and Keesler AFB. Thanks for that post Coolbreeze, I might would never thunk the PX purchase thing; I might be able to find a Glock through the PX a little cheaper :2vrolijk_21:
I've only seen gun depts at Marine Corps Exchange...  They have Glocks here at Lejeune - most sizes from what I recall.

Sean
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: BLM777 on June 24, 2008, 09:03:25 AM
Me too! I never thought about the PX. I haven't been in one but once since I retired. The closest base to me is a Coast Guard Base, then Pensacola Naval Air Station and Keesler AFB. Thanks for that post Coolbreeze, I might would never thunk the PX purchase thing; I might be able to find a Glock through the PX a little cheaper :2vrolijk_21:

Might want to check the PX @ Keesler AFB.  Been a  few years since  I  was there, but they used to order whatever you wanted.  Have you looked at the Glock 36 in .45?  I've shot the 26 and 27 and found them to be difficult to grip, especially on the second round of a double-tap.  The 36 has the slightly longer and thinner grip.  If you get up to N AL before you buy one, PM me and put a 100 or so rounds thru one of mine.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Pete7539 on June 24, 2008, 11:58:10 AM
Also check out Gunbroker.com .   There are alot of used Glocks for sale there.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: cuthbertss on June 24, 2008, 12:40:09 PM
 dealer im Denver will sell Glocks for a smoking price to Soldiers.....  i just found this out....   of course I already own 4 of em..lol


Someone clue me into the ordering a gun from the PX thing? 

i am stoopid  and have no ideer how to do it
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: BLM777 on June 24, 2008, 12:53:50 PM
dealer im Denver will sell Glocks for a smoking price to Soldiers.....  i just found this out....   of course I already own 4 of em..lol

Someone clue me into the ordering a gun from the PX thing? 

i am stoopid  and have no ideer how to do it

Might check with Sean,  but I recall that most of the Marine Corp bases have guns in stock, but the other PX's usually have a service to order them at the reduced prices.  I think it would be an individual base deal.  To purchase them you would have to be active or retired military or hold credentials from a G agency as an 1811 series criminal  investigator with a GS ranking of GS14 or higher.  The savings are usually substantial
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on June 24, 2008, 01:18:52 PM
dealer im Denver will sell Glocks for a smoking price to Soldiers.....  i just found this out....   of course I already own 4 of em..lol


Someone clue me into the ordering a gun from the PX thing? 

i am stoopid  and have no ideer how to do it

MCX stocks a range of weapons - but I WAS going to order the Ruger LCP.  Got a call this morning from the head of the Outdoor Depart at the MCX, they have a restriction on barrel size, 3.5" or larger...LCP doesn't make the mark.

Oh well.

Sean
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: spydglide on June 24, 2008, 01:44:41 PM
MCX stocks a range of weapons - but I WAS going to order the Ruger LCP.  Got a call this morning from the head of the Outdoor Depart at the MCX, they have a restriction on barrel size, 3.5" or larger...LCP doesn't make the mark.

Oh well.

Sean
No 'deep concealable' pea-shooters, huh?  ::)  har!  spyder
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: TN on June 24, 2008, 04:16:27 PM
my new toy and i'm looking for volunteers..... :innocent:


TN


Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: elvislee on June 24, 2008, 04:28:46 PM
my new toy and i'm looking for volunteers..... :innocent:


TN




errrrrrrrrrrr....... :o......uuuuuuuummmmmmmmmm.....NO THANKS!...Maybe somebody else wants to play ;D
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: BLM777 on June 24, 2008, 04:39:35 PM
my new toy and i'm looking for volunteers..... :innocent:


TN

Nope....been there and done that with one of the early prototypes. Drew the short straw for a test dummy.   It will knock you on your a$$! 
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: SPIDERMAN on June 24, 2008, 06:50:29 PM
my new toy and i'm looking for volunteers..... :innocent:


TN




I've been reading about the huge surge in sales of these. It's gonna get to the point where you'll be walking along a sidewalk and there will be two people lying on the ground shakin with neither able to turn off the juice because they other guys probes are juicin them.

B B
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: cuthbertss on June 24, 2008, 07:11:13 PM
my new toy and i'm looking for volunteers..... :innocent:


TN




Uh yea.....  did you really buy that thing or a C2?

I just got home from the TASER Master Instructor Course....  much fun....  those of you who might be familiar with Hans M will understand why

the C2 IMHO is a fabulous tool for wifes GFs etc...one of my partners from Taser carries one in his windshield bag on the scoot...

it is designed to deploy the probes and run for 30 seconds whilst you "leave" the area

played with one yesterday

wow

http://www.taser.com/products/consumers/Pages/C2.aspx
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: cuthbertss on June 24, 2008, 07:12:23 PM
I've been reading about the huge surge in sales of these. It's gonna get to the point where you'll be walking along a sidewalk and there will be two people lying on the ground shakin with neither able to turn off the juice because they other guys probes are juicin them.

B B

this happened very recently as a matter of fact

lol

argument over a parking spot
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: cuthbertss on June 24, 2008, 07:14:15 PM
Nope....been there and done that with one of the early prototypes. Drew the short straw for a test dummy.   It will knock you on your a$$! 

the M26 hurt a FKload more than the X26......  the civ C2 thing will woop the chit out of you for a long time

the new 12 ga delivered one is even more special

Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: TN on June 25, 2008, 09:02:12 AM
Uh yea.....  did you really buy that thing or a C2?

I just got home from the TASER Master Instructor Course....  much fun....  those of you who might be familiar with Hans M will understand why

the C2 IMHO is a fabulous tool for wifes GFs etc...one of my partners from Taser carries one in his windshield bag on the scoot...

it is designed to deploy the probes and run for 30 seconds whilst you "leave" the area

played with one yesterday

wow

http://www.taser.com/products/consumers/Pages/C2.aspx


funny cause i got that one for my wife, same color and everything. and yes i bought the one in the pic. :nixweiss:

sometimes it seems like the thing to do. i know nuthing,nuthing.   

went in my the local gunshop to have tritium sights put on my glock and walked out with an armful. :2vrolijk_21:




TN
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: VANAMAL on June 25, 2008, 09:56:35 AM
Might want to check the PX @ Keesler AFB.  Been a  few years since  I  was there, but they used to order whatever you wanted.  Have you looked at the Glock 36 in .45?  I've shot the 26 and 27 and found them to be difficult to grip, especially on the second round of a double-tap.  The 36 has the slightly longer and thinner grip.  If you get up to N AL before you buy one, PM me and put a 100 or so rounds thru one of mine.
i have a magazine extension on my 27 and it makes it easy to grip :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: naitram on June 25, 2008, 10:06:44 AM
i have a magazine extension on my 27 and it makes it easy to grip :2vrolijk_21:

i have one clip with and one without the extension. it helped having it until i was comfortable with the size of the 27. after that i found i didnt need it
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: BLM777 on June 25, 2008, 06:57:13 PM
i have a magazine extension on my 27 and it makes it easy to grip :2vrolijk_21:

Extensions do work well....I just can't use the profile they create the way I carry...
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: TN on June 26, 2008, 03:13:37 PM
okay i might have made a mistake in getting my wife this.

http://www.taser.com/products/consumers/Pages/C2.aspx


i had a nightmare where i woke up with probes in my arse and her finger on the trigger. :nervous: :nervous:


a vulnerable position. :huepfenlol2:



TN



edit: with the clean life i live i have nothing to worry about...do i?.... :innocent: :innocent:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Pete7539 on July 07, 2008, 12:14:44 PM
Oldest addition to the toybox-Marston & Knox .31 caliber pepperbox 1854
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on July 07, 2008, 12:16:53 PM
Beautiful Pete! 
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: LRebel on July 07, 2008, 12:24:08 PM
Oldest addition to the toybox-Harston & Knox .31 caliber pepperbox 1854

Very Nice!
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Pete7539 on July 07, 2008, 12:36:34 PM
Thanks, mother-in-law gave it to me. Wasn't working, but I took it apart and the cam by the trigger was out of alignment. Put it back together and now trigger functions and barrel rotates with each pull :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: LRebel on July 07, 2008, 12:39:33 PM
Thanks, mother-in-law gave it to me. Wasn't working, but I took it apart and the cam by the trigger was out of alignment. Put it back together and now trigger functions and barrel rotates with each pull :2vrolijk_21:

Pretty nice gift!
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: bsquared62 on October 14, 2008, 06:20:11 PM
I've just recently purchased my first gun at age 46. Within a month, I have 3 and a CWP.

I do not plan to carry at first, until I feel comfortable around the weapons AND I am convinced I would use it appropriately. The stories in this thread about using it if you draw it and shooting to kill and dead men don't tell lies, etc. scare the living crap out of me right now. I think one person said "I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6" - I don't know - I may rather be dead than in jail...that seems worse than death. Anyway, I think I will come around, but I just need to be more comfortable with them than I am now.

Ruger P95 9mm
S&W 22 Target
Bersa Thunder 380 (for carry, this is an excellent choice...)

Brad
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: BalDeagle on October 14, 2008, 06:46:13 PM
You guys kill me. I'm allowed to carry a handkerchief and our Police have to shout "Stop or I'll phone for permission to shoot you"

Beam me up Scotty!

Nige
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: MontyB on October 14, 2008, 08:12:43 PM
Allegedly, some people carry a 5 shot featherweight .38 S&W with a laser grip sight. Allegedly.

FYI  here is a decent summary of carry laws including a section on travel.
http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/Federal/Read.aspx?id=59

Some states are a real PIA so plan accordingly. That we feel its unfair or unconstitutional will probably not impress the local sheriff if stopped.

Cheers!
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on October 14, 2008, 09:58:27 PM
My lil ruger lcp is the best carry I had yet even though it is only .380 and beat to practice with...
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: cuthbertss on October 14, 2008, 10:13:15 PM
My lil ruger lcp is the best carry I had yet even though it is only .380 and beat to practice with...

damn nice little toy for carrying on the scoot ..no question
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on October 15, 2008, 08:42:07 AM
The LCP is great for Florida, carry mexi style in the fron pocket of short pants, prints like a wallet.
It is kinda of snappy with the corbons in it.  Ball shoots ok but it is no fun to practice with. 

I did not go to the gun show last week, the 1st step to recovery!  But I do need a new wheel, something nice ...44 ss 6inch S&W??
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on October 15, 2008, 09:18:16 AM
Yep, I carry.  XD-40 service...Never travel with out it.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: REGGAB on October 15, 2008, 08:51:52 PM
Does anyone have experience with a SIG SAUER P229 DAK chambered in .40 S&W?  I'm interested in range endurance and accuracy after 100 rounds at at 6.5 lb. trigger pull.  Thx.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: REGGAB on October 15, 2008, 08:55:31 PM
Yep, I carry.  XD-40 service...Never travel with out it.

Got one of those, but it is a compact.  Renea has an XD-9 compact.  Springfield Armory is spot-on with the entire XD line.  I like it better than my H&K USP, and Renea likes her XD-9 better than her Glock 19.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: SBB on October 15, 2008, 09:01:44 PM
Does anyone have experience with a SIG SAUER P229 DAK chambered in .40 S&W?  I'm interested in range endurance and accuracy after 100 rounds at at 6.5 lb. trigger pull.  Thx.

I carry one in 357 Sig!


 :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: REGGAB on October 15, 2008, 09:23:49 PM
I carry one in 357 Sig!


 :2vrolijk_21:

Chip,
Does the double action affect your accuracy after firing numerous rounds?  In other words, how does the 6.5 lb. trigger pull wear on you after, say, three magazines of ammo?
Thanks for your input.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: SBB on October 15, 2008, 09:47:31 PM
Chip,
Does the double action affect your accuracy after firing numerous rounds?  In other words, how does the 6.5 lb. trigger pull wear on you after, say, three magazines of ammo?
Thanks for your input.

Actually Henry it does wear on me.
But the reality is that in a situation that requires more than one clip I'm sure that trigger wear will be the least of my concern.
In target practice I knock out ten then start over.

 :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: REGGAB on October 15, 2008, 09:51:34 PM
Actually Henry it does wear on me.
But the reality is that in a situation that requires more than one clip I'm sure that trigger wear will be the least of my concern.
In target practice I knock out ten then start over.

 :2vrolijk_21:

Just what I was looking for.  Thanks much, Chip.   :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: SBB on October 15, 2008, 09:57:01 PM
Just what I was looking for.  Thanks much, Chip.   :2vrolijk_21:

Henry

I'm not the sharpest shooter on the range.
The quality of my Sig and my practice with it certainly gives me confidence to use it effectively should that need arise!
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: REGGAB on October 15, 2008, 10:10:38 PM
Henry

I'm not the sharpest shooter on the range.
The quality of my Sig and my practice with it certainly gives me confidence to use it effectively should that need arise!

That, and the whole safety/auto de-cock feature provided by the DAK.  I really like my H&K and my XD-40, BUT, if I ever have to REALLY use either, my worst fear is an inadvertant, adrenaline fueled discharge into my torso or leg upon reholster.   :nervous:

Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: cuthbertss on October 15, 2008, 10:59:40 PM
That, and the whole safety/auto de-cock feature provided by the DAK.  I really like my H&K and my XD-40, BUT, if I ever have to REALLY use either, my worst fear is an inadvertant, adrenaline fueled discharge into my torso or leg upon reholster.   :nervous:



practice that fear minor concern right out of yourself!!  after every engagement ,, tac reload, scan and holster

repetition will come into play when needed
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: RJ749 on October 15, 2008, 11:18:25 PM
Allegedly, some people carry a 5 shot featherweight .38 S&W with a laser grip sight. Allegedly.


If someone did have one of those for a carry, it would be a good choice and easy to pull
out of a pocket (or not). :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: SPIDERMAN on October 16, 2008, 02:41:52 PM
A site member (no name mentioned) showed me a handgun I'd never seen before - - .410 shotgun shells in a 6 shot revolver. Now that's cool.

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Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on October 16, 2008, 02:43:46 PM
The judge? 
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: SPIDERMAN on October 16, 2008, 03:04:01 PM
The judge? 

I WANTEE !

HOW MUCHEE ?

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Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: RJ749 on October 16, 2008, 04:02:20 PM
I WANTEE !

HOW MUCHEE ?

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I think the MSRP I saw was in the low $500 range.  You should be able to get one for a bit less.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jl-ZIo-Wztc

Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: SPIDERMAN on October 16, 2008, 04:21:23 PM
I think the MSRP I saw was in the low $500 range.  You should be able to get one for a bit less.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jl-ZIo-Wztc



Ha  I think I'll buy two load em up with birdshot and walk around the Maine woods huntin Partridge, Woodcock, Pheasant and Quail like a two fisted Dirty Harry

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Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Twolanerider on October 16, 2008, 04:24:15 PM
Ha  I think I'll buy two load em up with birdshot and walk around the Maine woods huntin Partridge, Woodcock, Pheasant and Quail like a two fisted Dirty Harry

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 :worthless: :worthless:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on October 16, 2008, 04:26:20 PM
The judge looks like a good cage carry, it is alittle heavy.  Now twin fisted bird blastin (after my bike got creamed with poo today), hmmm.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: RJ749 on October 16, 2008, 04:26:44 PM
:worthless: :worthless:

Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Pete7539 on October 16, 2008, 04:43:35 PM
That, and the whole safety/auto de-cock feature provided by the DAK.  I really like my H&K and my XD-40, BUT, if I ever have to REALLY use either, my worst fear is an inadvertant, adrenaline fueled discharge into my torso or leg upon reholster.   :nervous:



Practice drawing and holstering with TF outta TG (Trigger Finger/Trigger Guard). Keep your index finger straight out alongside the slide, only putting it on the trigger when you've aquired your intended target. Making a habit of this will help prevent accidental discharge.

http://www.break.com/index/copshootsleg.html
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: icybay on October 16, 2008, 04:49:20 PM
FTJ    here's The executioner.  Picked one up at the gunshow last year and it a BLAST! Have to have a big set of pants like BB or Miker to get it in the front pocket though.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: FNGw/08SERK on October 16, 2008, 05:43:04 PM
One of my all time favorite toys only never could figure out how to carry her  :nixweiss:  :coolblue: 20MM MK10  :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: MontyB on November 03, 2008, 07:43:56 PM
I WANTEE !

HOW MUCHEE ?

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I am not affilliated with this gun shop. I have purchased several gunds from them and been very satisfied with price and service. If you do not have  a FFL, you will need to find a local dealer that will accept a shipment. My local shop handles the paperwork for $35.

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=taurus+judge

cheers!
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on November 03, 2008, 08:10:00 PM
Got one of those, but it is a compact.  Renea has an XD-9 compact.  Springfield Armory is spot-on with the entire XD line.  I like it better than my H&K USP, and Renea likes her XD-9 better than her Glock 19.

I have been thinking about getting another in the 40 compact.  How do you like it?  I figure the little bit smaller size would make carry easier.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: arcticdude on November 03, 2008, 09:09:26 PM
If anybody wants a judge, there's a local shop here in OKC that had 3 of them on Saturday for the $350+/- range, depending on finish.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: mr_magoo on November 03, 2008, 09:13:40 PM
I have an XD40 subcompact that is carried daily, and love it.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: cuttinhorse on November 04, 2008, 07:23:11 AM
Sig P226 9mm or P220 .45

.30/.30 and 16g in the truck



Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: MikeD on November 04, 2008, 06:07:30 PM
Going to start carrying the Glock 23 and the 38 S & W airweight daily. 
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Coolbreeze on November 05, 2008, 11:33:59 AM
Going to start carrying the Glock 23 and the 38 S & W airweight daily. 

Everyone should carry daily.  one will do,  two is better, but all should carry.  It makes for a much more polite society....   
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: spydglide on November 05, 2008, 12:30:26 PM
Everyone should carry daily.  one will do,  two is better, but all should carry.  It makes for a much more polite society....   
yes.  Col. Colt was correct.  ;)  har!  spyder
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: CVOwner on November 05, 2008, 06:47:02 PM
Me, .40 Springfield Armory XD. The wife .38 Colt revolver.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: MJZ on November 05, 2008, 07:35:29 PM
Got a AK-47 yesterday, does Techmount make a chrome handlebar mount for it? :nixweiss: :rifle: :rifle: :rifle:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: REGGAB on November 05, 2008, 07:55:47 PM
Me, .40 Springfield Armory XD. The wife .38 Colt revolver.

I have an XD-40.  Renea has an XD-9.  Springfield makes some fine weaponry.  Gotta closet full of ammo too.   :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: MJZ on November 05, 2008, 08:52:16 PM
When I was at my local small gun shop yesterday, the shop was full and the owner was selling everything as fast as he could ring it up. He told me he was on the phone reordering several times a day. He said it had been that way for the last month.
Strange thing is all the business is in handguns, 12 ga. 18" home protection pumps, AK-47's and AR-15's. This is the start of hunting season here and 99% of his business for the last 20 years has been in hunting shotguns and deer rifles.
You don't have to be a rocket scientist (or a MoCo engineer) to figure this out.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: REGGAB on November 05, 2008, 09:42:48 PM
Yeah.  I carry.......tote......pack.......whatever you want to call it.  'Nuff said.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: SBB on November 05, 2008, 09:49:00 PM
Yeah.  I carry.......tote......pack.......whatever you want to call it.  'Nuff said.

I believe in love and piece.
My piece of choice is a Sig 229 in 357Sig.
It's a much better gun than I am a shooter, but my aim is improving.
I share the love with Nancy, all others get the piece.

 :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: REGGAB on November 05, 2008, 09:51:32 PM
I believe in love and piece.
My piece of choice is a Sig 229 in 357Sig.
It's a much better gun than I am a shooter, but my aim is improving.
I share the love with Nancy, all others get the piece.

 :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21:

:2vrolijk_21:

Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: CVOJOE on November 05, 2008, 10:13:39 PM
Saddlebag buddy changes over time, but current is from the S&W .44 Mag family. Probably go to smaller size wise in .40 cal this next year and attach Brutus here to the front door bell button.  :huepfenjump3:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: CVOJOE on November 05, 2008, 10:15:29 PM
Fits nicely into bags and excellent for stopping power Vs unwelcomed advances upon persoal territory or property.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: REGGAB on November 05, 2008, 10:16:35 PM
Saddlebag buddy changes over time, but current is from the S&W .44 Mag family. Probably go to smaller size wise in .40 cal this next year and attach Brutus here to the front door bell button.  :huepfenjump3:


Good idea.  Don't forget the speedloaders..........lots of speedloaders..........and some extra magazines for the .40 S&W in your saddlebag.   :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: SPIDERMAN on November 05, 2008, 10:40:55 PM
Saddlebag buddy changes over time, but current is from the S&W .44 Mag family. Probably go to smaller size wise in .40 cal this next year and attach Brutus here to the front door bell button.  :huepfenjump3:


Joe,
       even though you're sporting a professional manicure on your fingernails (with clear nail polish) , you're no sissy

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Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: RJ749 on November 06, 2008, 03:04:47 AM
When I was at my local small gun shop yesterday, the shop was full and the owner was selling everything as fast as he could ring it up. He told me he was on the phone reordering several times a day. He said it had been that way for the last month.
Strange thing is all the business is in handguns, 12 ga. 18" home protection pumps, AK-47's and AR-15's. This is the start of hunting season here and 99% of his business for the last 20 years has been in hunting shotguns and deer rifles.
You don't have to be a rocket scientist (or a MoCo engineer) to figure this out.

Got an email from a good buddy this AM asking what to pick up in the way of his first hand gun.  He was going to get one just because he still can.

He got a 22 semi of some kind and a Glock 9mm, said they had so many great guns he'll go back after he picks these two up and shoots them awhile.  I queried him on the models but he wasn't sure.

Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on November 06, 2008, 08:23:37 AM
Good idea.  Don't forget the speedloaders..........lots of speedloaders..........and some extra magazines for the .40 S&W in your saddlebag.   :2vrolijk_21:

I have purchased 6 30 round magazines for my AR's and my MAC-90, 1000 rounds of ammo (7x62 x 39 and .223) and two more AR-15's this week... 

No Chit.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Keats on November 06, 2008, 08:29:57 AM
I was having a problem carrying various guns due to their size, so I went to the local shop with the intent to pick up a reliable carry piece. (I already have a compact HK .40 and a Para .45)
I walked out with a Kel-Tech 380. , great little piece (compact) (looks like a plastic piece of chit)
but it is reliable and I can completely conceal with no effort. (my 44 mag 8 3/8 Ruger was very hard to conceal)
S&W 586 357 6" revolver to big
S&W 686 357 4" revolver to big
Colt Trooper to big
Para Ordinance 45 to heavy
HK 40 compact still to big
Kel-Tech 380 (PoS) perfect
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: BLM777 on November 06, 2008, 08:31:56 AM
I have purchased 6 30 round magazines for my AR's and my MAC-90, 1000 rounds of ammo (7x62 x 39 and .223) and two more AR-15's this week... 

No Chit.

Cabela's annual ammo sale starts about the 15th of the month.  Case prices on .223 much lower than can be found most anywhere including distributor cost to FFL dealers.  They are USA manufactured by Ultramax in South Dakota, new brass and Nosler ballistic tip bullets.  Bought 3k rounds last year and will order 6k this year.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Keats on November 06, 2008, 08:37:46 AM
I have purchased 6 30 round magazines for my AR's and my MAC-90, 1000 rounds of ammo (7x62 x 39 and .223) and two more AR-15's this week... 

No Chit.
What.......
No PDW in the arsenal?
surely a M4?
A Barrett M95?


question...can a civilian actually legally buy a PDW? with a FFL?
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on November 06, 2008, 09:13:05 AM
What.......
No PDW in the arsenal?
surely a M4?
A Barrett M95?


question...can a civilian actually legally buy a PDW? with a FFL?


got an M4 upper coming from Del-ton (and an A2) - have two lowers (stripped) going to build my own black rifles this time.

No .50 - almost got a Desert Eagle in .50...but no Barretts.

The folks with the most guns win...you wait and see.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on November 06, 2008, 09:14:30 AM
I was having a problem carrying various guns due to their size, so I went to the local shop with the intent to pick up a reliable carry piece. (I already have a compact HK .40 and a Para .45)
I walked out with a Kel Tec 380. , great little piece (compact) (looks like a plastic piece of chit)
but it is reliable and I can completely conceal with no effort. (my 44 mag 8 3/8 Ruger was very hard to conceal)
S&W 586 357 6" revolver to big
S&W 686 357 4" revolver to big
Colt Trooper to big
Para Ordinance 45 to heavy
HK 40 compact still to big
Keltec 380 (PoS) perfect


Had a Kel-Tech stolen from my truck 10 years ago...decent little .380.  Grabbed the web of my thumb every so often - that HURTS.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Keats on November 06, 2008, 09:26:00 AM
Had a Kel-Tech stolen from my truck 10 years ago...decent little .380.  Grabbed the web of my thumb every so often - that HURTS.
I am sure that will happen with my big mitts also (webbing getting caught under the slide), but I do not shoot that gun real often. My Para made me bleed getting the web caught under the hammer. The gun that really punished me was my Ruger 44 mag with scope 2x, I would target shoot with 44 mags (yes I know this is dumb and expensive) and after 20 rounds my middle finger under the trigger guard start bleeding and hurting like I had been hitting it with a hammer (in reality, I was).
I just figured with the weight of that gun the recoil would be less. (oh no!)
Now I just use 44 specials if I plan to shoot more than 10 rounds (not the same trajectory though).

Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on November 06, 2008, 09:40:39 AM
Yes in Florida, the Gunshine state!
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Dash Riprock on November 06, 2008, 09:51:59 AM
S&W Airweight 38 w/hollow points.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: BLM777 on November 06, 2008, 10:39:31 AM
got an M4 upper coming from Del-ton (and an A2) - have two lowers (stripped) going to build my own black rifles this time.

No .50 - almost got a Desert Eagle in .50...but no Barretts.

The folks with the most guns win...you wait and see.


Partial to those black rifles myself.  If it's bigger than a grapefruit and within 1000 yards, I own it.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: MJZ on November 06, 2008, 10:48:01 AM
I have purchased 6 30 round magazines for my AR's and my MAC-90, 1000 rounds of ammo (7x62 x 39 and .223) and two more AR-15's this week... 

No Chit.

What are they going for down there? I paid $249.00 for Wolf 124 Gr. this week.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: RJ749 on November 06, 2008, 10:55:40 AM
got an M4 upper coming from Del-ton (and an A2) - have two lowers (stripped) going to build my own black rifles this time.

No .50 - almost got a Desert Eagle in .50...but no Barretts.

The folks with the most guns win...you wait and see.


OK, I'll play...............yes to the D E 50 and a SW 500 shown center
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: RJ749 on November 06, 2008, 10:59:13 AM
POLK  COUNTY FLORIDA SHERIFF GRADY JUDD 
Some 'dirtbag' in Polk County Florida who got pulled over in a routine traffic stop ended up 'executing' the deputy who stopped him.
 & nbsp;
The deputy was shot eight times, including once behind his right ear at close range. Another deputy was wounded and a police dog  killed. 

A statewide manhunt ensued.   

The low- life was found hiding in a wooded area with his gun and fired first . SWAT team officers fired and hit the guy 68 times.

Now here's the kicker:  Naturally, the media screamed foul and asked why they shot him 68 times.
 
Polk County Sheriff Grady Judd, told the Orlando Sentinel:  'That's all the bullets we had!'

(Talk about a classic answer! !!)

http://www.snopes.com/crime/cops/judd.asp
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on November 06, 2008, 11:08:35 AM
What are they going for down there? I paid $249.00 for Wolf 124 Gr. this week.

Cabela's - 124.99/250 for Black Hills reman .223 and 119.99 for 500 7.62 (and free shipping until the 10th).
 
Wolf voids the warranty on my Del-ton uppers, any steel case does...harsh stuff that steel case ammo IMHO.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on November 06, 2008, 11:09:46 AM
Partial to those black rifles myself.  If it's bigger than a grapefruit and within 1000 yards, I own it.

mine have Stoner lineage...
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: MJZ on November 06, 2008, 11:13:28 AM
Cabela's - 124.99/250 for Black Hills reman .223 and 119.99 for 500 7.62 (and free shipping until the 10th).
 
Wolf voids the warranty  on my Del-ton uppers, any steel case does...harsh stuff that steel case ammo IMHO.

Don't have to worry about that, Romania doesn't honor any warranties. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on November 06, 2008, 11:14:39 AM
Don't have to worry about that, Romania doesn't honor any warranties. ;D ;D ;D

I have a Norinco MAC-90...and will hammer steel through it, but not the AR's...forged metal vs stamped stuff in the AK's.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: BLM777 on November 06, 2008, 11:16:36 AM
mine have Stoner lineage...

Built several pieces on the Stoner 63 system.  Good stuff and far superior to the currently available outsource components.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on November 06, 2008, 11:39:22 AM
I found the wolf sticky and dirty...Cheap in more ways than one..imho of course cause I don't know squat.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: 16HD117 on November 06, 2008, 11:55:35 AM
I found the wolf sticky and dirty...Cheap in more ways than one..imho of course cause I don't know squat.

If not Wolf, what brand of ammo do you guys recommend when U just want to burn powder (a lot of powder)???
 :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on November 06, 2008, 12:15:00 PM
I like Federal, regular ball ammo, fmj boatail, 55g ish. Clean, pretty accurate and at one time $.25 a round, last time I bought is was .39 for 5k rounds. I have other stuff for, well, other stuff
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: BLM777 on November 06, 2008, 12:20:15 PM
You might want to look at http://www.black-hills.com/   They've recently received several military and law enforcement contracts and have everything from target to top end rounds in their online catalog.  I've ordered from them for years and/or ordered their ammo thru Cabelas when they have a major sale.  Good quality and excellent brass.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on November 06, 2008, 12:30:44 PM
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/Default.aspx

Good but oftern out of stock on what I want.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: AZSSE on November 06, 2008, 12:45:00 PM
Para Ordnance Slim Hawg .45
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on November 06, 2008, 12:48:36 PM
If not Wolf, what brand of ammo do you guys recommend when U just want to burn powder (a lot of powder)???
 :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss:

I am getting ready to dig us deeper in debt with a Dillon 550...my wife is awesome.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on November 06, 2008, 12:54:03 PM
I am getting ready to dig us deeper in debt with a Dillon 550...my wife is awesome.

I'll say!  Strike while the iron is hot!  Kimber?
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: BLM777 on November 06, 2008, 12:57:21 PM
I am getting ready to dig us deeper in debt with a Dillon 550...my wife is awesome.

Excellent press.  My .45 ammo figures out to about 6 cents a round using top of the line components.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on November 06, 2008, 12:57:59 PM
I'll say!  Strike while the iron is hot!  Kimber?
would be cheaper without the impending 500% tax increase...

I guess I am lucky, no taxes on base, but the gun shop is within 5 miles of a school.

wait and see - I am buying the stuff I know was on the '94 ban, and fear that will quickly be put back into play
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on November 06, 2008, 01:44:09 PM
would be cheaper without the impending 500% tax increase...

I guess I am lucky, no taxes on base, but the gun shop is within 5 miles of a school.

wait and see - I am buying the stuff I know was on the '94 ban, and fear that will quickly be put back into play

Gawd, I just had a hoorible flash..

Whaddya think is gonna happen to cigar taxes! Yikes...I knew I should have just lined the room!
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: REGGAB on November 06, 2008, 08:01:19 PM
I have purchased 6 30 round magazines for my AR's and my MAC-90, 1000 rounds of ammo (7x62 x 39 and .223) and two more AR-15's this week... 

No Chit.

Great Stuff.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Pete7539 on November 07, 2008, 07:28:41 PM
All the newer Bushmaster ARs recommend Wolf, go figure?
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on November 07, 2008, 07:30:26 PM
All the newer Bushmaster ARs recommend Wolf, go figure?

weird...all I have read about steel casings is about it rattling around in the chamber and causing excessive carbon blow back.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Pete7539 on November 08, 2008, 07:28:52 PM
FL Marine,   if you're gonna build a black gun you might be interested in this
http://www.thegunsource.com/item/85671_Adams_Arms_AR15_Gas_Piston_System.aspx?NID=167
Very cool system
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on November 08, 2008, 10:36:38 PM
FL Marine,   if you're gonna build a black gun you might be interested in this
http://www.thegunsource.com/item/85671_Adams_Arms_AR15_Gas_Piston_System.aspx?NID=167
Very cool system

Interesting...the gas system on the M16's has always been an issue with carbon build up.

Thanks

Sean
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on November 08, 2008, 11:30:14 PM
Interesting...the gas system on the M16's has always been an issue with carbon build up.

Thanks

Sean

Specially plinkin wolf.  ::)
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on November 09, 2008, 09:58:13 AM
Specially plinkin wolf.  ::)

Just slam the forward assist repeatedly...
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: REGGAB on November 09, 2008, 02:27:21 PM
Just slam the forward assist repeatedly...

Works for me.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: spydglide on November 09, 2008, 02:54:28 PM
Just slam the forward assist repeatedly...
Doesn't work for me as mine is pre-forward assist model.  Guess I'll just have to resort to cleaning often, huh?  ???  spyder
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on November 09, 2008, 04:51:09 PM
Doesn't work for me as mine is pre-forward assist model.  Guess I'll just have to resort to cleaning often, huh?  ???  spyder

oh well...  updated uppers are available, just have a long wait

Tap/Rap/Bang...
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on November 09, 2008, 07:07:19 PM
Slam fire sucks...
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on November 09, 2008, 08:39:19 PM
Know some of your have LCP's...  Recall

http://www.ruger.com/LCPRecall/?utm_source=InterMedia&utm_medium=Banner&utm_content=Rectangle&utm_campaign=IM%2BLCPRecall
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on November 09, 2008, 09:35:32 PM
Know some of your have LCP's...  Recall

http://www.ruger.com/LCPRecall/?utm_source=InterMedia&utm_medium=Banner&utm_content=Rectangle&utm_campaign=IM%2BLCPRecall

Yup mine is affected because when they came out I got a bug up my azz to have one toot sweet.

The ultimate beta tester, I, 110, fah, 110.

I buffed n fluffed, fired around a hunnert rounds, nothing to say but it is a stinger.  I sent it back and am waiting.
The kimber cdp is back in rotation.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: MJZ on November 13, 2008, 11:52:14 AM
For quite a while I have used a J frame S&W Airweight 38 as a concealed carry, recently I gave it to my secretary and need to get another to replace it.
Any suggestions for the replacement? I have not seen or tried out a S&W Nightguard but from what I've read it seems interesting.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: BalDeagle on November 13, 2008, 11:57:30 AM
I currently carry a Perazzi MX8 SC3 - but usually only on a weekend!

 :2vrolijk_21:

Nige
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: REGGAB on November 16, 2008, 02:53:57 PM
Took Renea out for breakfast this morning with the intent of stopping at a local supply store afterwards to continue adding to our ammunition stockpile.  I bought every box of .380 ACP, .40 S&W, and 9mm Luger ammunition they had.  Then I got the third degree questioning:  1)  Is WW3 fixing to start?  2)  What in the world do you need so much ammo for?  3)  What are you going to do with all that ammo?

1)  I don't think so, but who really knows?
2)  I don't, really, but it'll be there if I do, and I can't get it at that time because it's either not available or taxed so much as to be unaffordable.
3)  Add it to the closet full I have already.   :2vrolijk_21:

Get it while you can.  Change is imminent.   :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on November 16, 2008, 05:05:03 PM
Prices are only gonna go up...alot.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on November 16, 2008, 05:59:45 PM
Prices are only gonna go up...alot.

yep

Built my M4 last night, got it all put together, function checked it and wiped it down...had vice scratches all over the upper from the vendor!

I was bummed.  Couldn't see them with all the protectant they had on it when it shipped.  You can make them out all over the upper.

Gonna ride up to Del-ton Wednesday I think - see if they can trade me out.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: FNGw/08SERK on November 16, 2008, 06:07:47 PM
yep

Built my M4 last night, got it all put together, function checked it and wiped it down...had vice scratches all over the upper from the vendor!

I was bummed.  Couldn't see them with all the protectant they had on it when it shipped.  You can make them out all over the upper.

Gonna ride up to Del-ton Wednesday I think - see if they can trade me out.
Which vendor  :confused5:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: REGGAB on November 16, 2008, 06:19:28 PM
Prices are only gonna go up...alot.

That they are, Sir.  That they are, hence my adherence to the 6Ps.   :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: MJZ on November 16, 2008, 07:50:31 PM
yep

Built my M4 last night, got it all put together, function checked it and wiped it down...had vice scratches all over the upper from the vendor!

I was bummed.  Couldn't see them with all the protectant they had on it when it shipped.  You can make them out all over the upper.

Gonna ride up to Del-ton Wednesday I think - see if they can trade me out.

Sean, in your opinion who has the best AR-15 set up on the market and would you go 16' or 20"?
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on November 16, 2008, 08:08:06 PM
Which vendor  :confused5:

Del-Ton.com, gotta be an anomaly - they have a great rep
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on November 16, 2008, 08:13:50 PM
Sean, in your opinion who has the best AR-15 set up on the market and would you go 16' or 20"?

I'm a black rifle neophyte with owning/building them (all the rest are Colt's at work) - the DPMS lower and the Del-ton upper were recommended by a Master Sergeant at work, he has 6 of them.  J&T was also spec as a great source for kits - which is what I did from Del-ton.  It was fun building it, over the years I have become quite familiar with them, so it was not a stretch to build this one from a kit.  Addicting actually, think I am going to get a 7.62 x 39 before the end of Jan...

AR-15.com is a huge resource (FLAMarine there), there are folks who spend an ungodly amount of $$ on rifles.

I was interested in shooters.  I got the M4 kit and have the 20" A3 kit with the A2 upper, not the flat top coming.  You can go nuts with this, spend big money.  Basically there are two manufacturers of the barrels and most components - and they are branded from there.  Working on optics for the M4, EOTech is what I am leaning towards for that- can't afford an ACOG, or I would get that.  Have shot them with an A4 and they are amazing.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on November 16, 2008, 08:14:45 PM
That they are, Sir.  That they are, hence my adherence to the 6Ps.   :2vrolijk_21:

I have put away 500 each of .223 and 7.62 x 39 and expect to buy more.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: dmnrdn on November 16, 2008, 10:01:51 PM
I found the wolf sticky and dirty...Cheap in more ways than one..imho of course cause I don't know squat.

The whole problems with the Wolf crap is #1 Steel cases but the really big problem is the lacquer they put on the rounds.  Weapon heats up lacquer melts , gets sticky, traps carbon and any other crude it can find and then you have a sandpaper like goo in the chamber etc.  If you do not clean the weapon in hot and I mean hot soapy water with a lot of elbow grease you will never get all the goo out and any following shooting just keeps adding to the problems.  One a foreign made weapon with loose tolerance that is okay but on weapon that has tight tolerances you are just dooming the weapon.

I shoot a lot and the Dillon 550 I have keeps me at about a 50/50 time line.  In other words If i shoot for an hour I can reload what I shot in an hour.  Which is around 400 to 500 rounds an hour.

Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: MJZ on November 16, 2008, 10:31:35 PM
The whole problems with the Wolf crap is #1 Steel cases but the really big problem is the lacquer they put on the rounds.  Weapon heats up lacquer melts , gets sticky, traps carbon and any other crude it can find and then you have a sandpaper like goo in the chamber etc.  If you do not clean the weapon in hot and I mean hot soapy water with a lot of elbow grease you will never get all the goo out and any following shooting just keeps adding to the problems.  One a foreign made weapon with loose tolerance that is okay but on weapon that has tight tolerances you are just dooming the weapon.

I shoot a lot and the Dillon 550 I have keeps me at about a 50/50 time line.  In other words If i shoot for an hour I can reload what I shot in an hour.  Which is around 400 to 500 rounds an hour.



Interesting, I thought it was just me that was stuck in cleaning mode. What would y'all suggest instead of Wolf other than reloads?
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: dmnrdn on November 16, 2008, 10:49:41 PM
Interesting, I thought it was just me that was stuck in cleaning mode. What would y'all suggest instead of Wolf other than reloads?

Usually you can go to a gun show and find some good buys on Surplus Federal.  Also the federal Eagle line works good.  Really anything that is not steel cased or has a lacquer coating on the case.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on November 17, 2008, 06:30:31 AM
The whole problems with the Wolf crap is #1 Steel cases but the really big problem is the lacquer they put on the rounds.  Weapon heats up lacquer melts , gets sticky, traps carbon and any other crude it can find and then you have a sandpaper like goo in the chamber etc.  If you do not clean the weapon in hot and I mean hot soapy water with a lot of elbow grease you will never get all the goo out and any following shooting just keeps adding to the problems.  One a foreign made weapon with loose tolerance that is okay but on weapon that has tight tolerances you are just dooming the weapon.

I shoot a lot and the Dillon 550 I have keeps me at about a 50/50 time line.  In other words If i shoot for an hour I can reload what I shot in an hour.  Which is around 400 to 500 rounds an hour.


scrubbing bubbles - the green/blue can stuff...  Learned that at OCS, we would make a 3 layer deep security ring around the deep sink prior to inspections to keep the Sergeant Instructor and/or Platoon Sergeant away from our dubious activities, scrubbing bubbles is amazing and does not hurt the bluing.  Final inspection at OCS, I had the armory officer as my inspector, day after we had come out of the field and were busting blanks for days, which are horrible on a chamber.  All he could say was "your weapon is too dry"...and he kind of smirked, couldn't find a spec of carbon on it.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on November 17, 2008, 06:31:53 AM
Usually you can go to a gun show and find some good buys on Surplus Federal.  Also the federal Eagle line works good.  Really anything that is not steel cased or has a lacquer coating on the case.

I just got 500 rounds of Black Hills reman...will report back on that.

I am going the RL550B route, reloading is the way to go.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Coolbreeze on November 17, 2008, 12:05:48 PM
Where does the opinion lie on a good price for a russian AK right now? 
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on November 17, 2008, 12:12:54 PM
Which vendor  :confused5:

called em earlier today - they said they would trade me out and that my 20" A2 was ready for pickup...

Off to Elizabethtown Wednesday for a 2fer.  Will have to hit a range on the way home and do some test fire.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: MJZ on November 17, 2008, 12:13:41 PM
Where does the opinion lie on a good price for a russian AK right now? 

Here the Romainian are $450. and the Yugos are bringing $650. Not sure what they are getting for the Chinesse junk but everyone told me to stay away from them.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on November 17, 2008, 12:16:47 PM
Depends on the variant of the rifle and there are lots of fakes...
Saiga syn stock start around 750 I would guess.   Pre-ban wood pistol gripped are getting hard to find in good shape.

There is a pre-ban Romainian on gunbroker now bids at 600...
Also a beaty Cninese polytech at 2500 or so...near mint it says...

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=116393969

I am not in the market for one...I am not in the market for one...I am not in the market for one...I am not in the market for one...
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on November 17, 2008, 12:20:06 PM
Where does the opinion lie on a good price for a russian AK right now? 

there are still kits going for $289...
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Coolbreeze on November 17, 2008, 02:30:01 PM
there are still kits going for $289...

Hmmm...  that sounds like fun.  What else would I need besides the kit?  and where would I get one from?

I have two of everything but an AK variant,  spo it just seems prudent to fill out the collection!   
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on November 17, 2008, 04:10:35 PM
Hmmm...  that sounds like fun.  What else would I need besides the kit?  and where would I get one from?

I have two of everything but an AK variant,  spo it just seems prudent to fill out the collection!   

receiver and barrel - those are the controlled items that require purchase from an FFL holder.

Do a search on AK-47 Kit there are a bunch, guess until just a month or so ago they were $89.00...  Going as high as $600 now.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Steve G on November 18, 2008, 12:52:46 AM
I "carry", but I don't carry my AR.
Maybe this topic is getting off the subject? 
Not that there aren't interesting posts about long guns, but I would assume that the topic should be about CCW permits and the use thereof. 
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on November 18, 2008, 06:37:13 AM
I "carry", but I don't carry my AR.
Maybe this topic is getting off the subject? 
Not that there aren't interesting posts about long guns, but I would assume that the topic should be about CCW permits and the use thereof. 

I'd ride with my M4...but I am guessing it would cause too much commotion, and probably cause unnecessary drag.  Hell, if I got a 14.5 in barrel with the, and the carbine stock...hmmm, might just fit in a bag.  They are sold out of lowers, but there are AR-15 Pistol Kits!

Was joking to the wife that I needed a scabbard for the SERK...easy for my KLR.

Only half kidding
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: spydglide on November 18, 2008, 09:09:23 AM
I'd ride with my M4...but I am guessing it would cause too much commotion, and probably cause unnecessary drag.  Hell, if I got a 14.5 in barrel with the, and the carbine stock...hmmm, might just fit in a bag.  They are sold out of lowers, but there are AR-15 Pistol Kits!

Was joking to the wife that I needed a scabbard for the SERK...easy for my KLR.

Only half kidding
Times have changed......when my Dad rode his Knucklehead across these United States in the late 30's, he carried a shotgun in a fork-mounted scabbard.  Not sure you would get too far with one mounted now. I remember someone on here mentioning that they got pulled over for a sword mounted on a sissy bar in Virginia, I think.  :-\  har!  spyder
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: BIGDOG on November 18, 2008, 02:46:17 PM
The best answer is screw with me and find out.  Never show your hand before you need to. :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: arcticdude on November 19, 2008, 10:45:11 AM
Just go buy an AK parts kit and a receiver flat.  You should get everything in the parts kit, other than a useable receiver.  That kit should set you back about $125 for a real good one.  The receiver flat shouldn't be anymore than $25.  NEITHER is an FFL item!!!!  The ONLY thing on an AK that's FFL is a "functional" receiver.  An unbent peice of metal with some holes in it is just exactly that, so the flat isn't controlled.  If you pick up shotgun news or the like, you should be able to go back to one of their many articles that tell you how to take the flat and make it into a functional receiver.  I did one a while back, and the ONLY papered item was the prebent receiver I bought for $90.  Since it IS a functional receiver, it is papered.  I just felt that for my first build, I didn't want to hassle with the buildup of the receiver.  It went together pretty easily.  After doing it, I realized how easy it would be to make the receiver, especially if all you really have to do is bend it and heat treat it- which is what a better flat takes to "make " it.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on November 19, 2008, 03:37:41 PM
Just go buy an AK parts kit and a receiver flat.  You should get everything in the parts kit, other than a useable receiver.  That kit should set you back about $125 for a real good one.  The receiver flat shouldn't be anymore than $25.  NEITHER is an FFL item!!!!  The ONLY thing on an AK that's FFL is a "functional" receiver.  An unbent peice of metal with some holes in it is just exactly that, so the flat isn't controlled.  If you pick up shotgun news or the like, you should be able to go back to one of their many articles that tell you how to take the flat and make it into a functional receiver.  I did one a while back, and the ONLY papered item was the prebent receiver I bought for $90.  Since it IS a functional receiver, it is papered.  I just felt that for my first build, I didn't want to hassle with the buildup of the receiver.  It went together pretty easily.  After doing it, I realized how easy it would be to make the receiver, especially if all you really have to do is bend it and heat treat it- which is what a better flat takes to "make " it.

need a brake to bend it?  what gauge?
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: arcticdude on November 19, 2008, 04:07:06 PM
While a brake can make for a cleaner bend, I'm fairly certain with some patience and the right sized support a hammer and clamps would be all you'd need.  It's fairly light gauge, but I don't know gauges well enough to be able to put a number on it.  None of the ones I have are more than 1.5mm think.  Their all probably closer to 1mm.  Even on an original from the factory, it's nothing but a stamped piece; hardened after it's stamped.  That's what makes the damn thing so reliable, cheap easy to make parts with loose tolerances on everything that doesn't matter.  The only thing that has any real tolerance is the headspacing.  That's why most AK's will eat any ammo you can stuff into them and be "minute of bad guy" accurate, no matter what ammo of it's condition.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: sportygordy on November 19, 2008, 04:34:12 PM
What is the status of AR-10 and AR-15 Receivers in your parts? I bought 2 of each last month and sold one of each yesterday for what i paid for all four :bananarock: Sold them to my FFL pal, he is turning them around to make money for himself. Come to find out, these things are now a year out...  :nixweiss:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on November 19, 2008, 04:45:57 PM
What is the status of AR-10 and AR-15 Receivers in your parts? I bought 2 of each last month and sold one of each yesterday for what i paid for all four :bananarock: Sold them to my FFL pal, he is turning them around to make money for himself. Come to find out, these things are now a year out...  :nixweiss:

Went over to Del-ton today, got a new upper for my M4 and picked up my A2...  Just got done building it about 10 minutes ago, this is addicting.

Feeling the need for another caliber soon, but the PX is out of lowers!

Obama has done wonders for the short term in the gun industry.

Oh well, got mine.

Looking at a Springfield Armory hi-cap now
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: sportygordy on November 19, 2008, 11:01:35 PM
Went over to Del-ton today, got a new upper for my M4 and picked up my A2...  Just got done building it about 10 minutes ago, this is addicting.

Feeling the need for another caliber soon, but the PX is out of lowers!

Obama has done wonders for the short term in the gun industry.

Oh well, got mine.

Looking at a Springfield Armory hi-cap now

It is addicting and used to be fairly cheap.  Not no more. My AR-10 went from $1,400 to $2,000 in a matter of one day..  >:( Harley's and guns,, they can keep a guy poor for sure
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: cuthbertss on November 20, 2008, 12:02:10 AM
Sean, in your opinion who has the best AR-15 set up on the market and would you go 16' or 20"?

take a look at Rock River Arms....  very reliable and last i looked...cheap(ish) LAR15A2 ( "M4" w/ 16.5 bbl)

i had my uppper tweaked and mated to a Rock lower and she shoots like a dream.....  have hung a Surefire Pic Rail with their M910 Light; EoTech on a LaRue Tactical quick release rail, ARTMS 40 flip up BUIS ; tactical Tailor 3 point sling  eats everything i put in it and shoots straight

yea i know...

 :worthless:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: cuthbertss on November 20, 2008, 12:03:36 AM
Went over to Del-ton today, got a new upper for my M4 and picked up my A2...  Just got done building it about 10 minutes ago, this is addicting.

Feeling the need for another caliber soon, but the PX is out of lowers!

Obama has done wonders for the short term in the gun industry.

Oh well, got mine.

Looking at a Springfield Armory hi-cap now

Sean

Take a look at the SIG P250  Tactical   in Digi Cam

Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: cuthbertss on November 20, 2008, 12:10:06 AM
Interesting, I thought it was just me that was stuck in cleaning mode. What would y'all suggest instead of Wolf other than reloads?

check out Palmetto State Armory 

good prices on factory ammo in bulk

1000 5.56 fo 350  ( not that wolf crap!)
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on November 20, 2008, 06:19:30 AM
Sean

Take a look at the SIG P250  Tactical   in Digi Cam



writeup in American Rifleman this month  haven't had opportunity to read it...
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on November 20, 2008, 08:17:57 AM
AR24 is now on the list.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: RJ749 on November 26, 2008, 12:06:13 PM
Times have changed......when my Dad rode his Knucklehead across these United States in the late 30's, he carried a shotgun in a fork-mounted scabbard.  Not sure you would get too far with one mounted now. I remember someone on here mentioning that they got pulled over for a sword mounted on a sissy bar in Virginia, I think.  :-\  har!  spyder

Spyd,

I recall when I bought my 650 Tiger there was a guy in the Triumph shop that just rode sea to sea with his 30-30 mounted in a scabbard and said he never had a problem with anyone.  Circa 1970 when bikers did run into some issues from time to time in some areas of the country, especially if you had long hair etc.

Like you said, with our sorry PC azzes now it wouldn't go over well.  You don't even see gun racks in trucks out here anymore.

On another note, there have been increasing gun violence attacks from gangs in malls etc. in the Seattle area these past weeks, may have to carry 24-7 soon.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: grandpadoc on November 26, 2008, 12:38:12 PM
I'd ride with my M4...but I am guessing it would cause too much commotion, and probably cause unnecessary drag.  Hell, if I got a 14.5 in barrel with the, and the carbine stock...hmmm, might just fit in a bag.  They are sold out of lowers, but there are AR-15 Pistol Kits!

Was joking to the wife that I needed a scabbard for the SERK...easy for my KLR.

Only half kidding

Its not uncommen to see just that in Arizona. The bars and Harley dealers make you check them in before intering though.  Doc
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: spydglide on November 26, 2008, 12:47:47 PM
Spyd,

I recall when I bought my 650 Tiger there was a guy in the Triumph shop that just rode sea to sea with his 30-30 mounted in a scabbard and said he never had a problem with anyone.  Circa 1970 when bikers did run into some issues from time to time in some areas of the country, especially if you had long hair etc.

Like you said, with our sorry PC azzes now it wouldn't go over well.  You don't even see gun racks in trucks out here anymore.

On another note, there have been increasing gun violence attacks from gangs in malls etc. in the Seattle area these past weeks, may have to carry 24-7 soon.
It's just a 'hassle' that we live with as our society ebbs & flows.  :soapbox: And I thought it was just my paranoid azz that did that.  :-X har!  spyder
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Coolbreeze on November 26, 2008, 07:08:01 PM
 :soapbox:   I still want to know why I have to have a permit to do what the bill of rights says is my right...   Do I have to have a license to exercise free speech!?!?!?!?!

AAARRRGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!


okay, I feel better now.  I'm sitting quietly in the dark and pettinjg my kimber....  damn these meprolites are bright!
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: 49445CVO on November 26, 2008, 07:15:42 PM
Sig Sauer P 220   45
Sig Sauer P 232   380

Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Fired00d on November 26, 2008, 07:17:26 PM
:soapbox:   I still want to know why I have to have a permit to do what the bill of rights says is my right...   Do I have to have a license to exercise free speech!?!?!?!?!

AAARRRGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!


okay, I feel better now.  I'm sitting quietly in the dark and pettinjg my kimber....  damn these meprolites are bright!
I was of the understanding that permits are required to conceal carry, and open carry for most states was permissable. :nixweiss:

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: TN on November 26, 2008, 07:45:17 PM
:soapbox:   I still want to know why I have to have a permit to do what the bill of rights says is my right...   Do I have to have a license to exercise free speech!?!?!?!?!

AAARRRGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!


okay, I feel better now.  I'm sitting quietly in the dark and pettinjg my kimber....  damn these meprolites are bright!


the supreme court did decide that the right to bear arms is in our favor. the man just wants ya in the system, and by obtaining the permit we agree to there terms.

i wish i never got a cwp, the libility factor goes up.


i was in fear of my life.

TN
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: naitram on November 26, 2008, 10:44:01 PM
no open carry allowed in MA
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Fired00d on November 26, 2008, 10:55:56 PM
no open carry allowed in MA
And I thought the Commonwealth of Virginia was messed up. :(

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Fired00d on November 27, 2008, 06:19:46 PM
no open carry allowed in MA
This post made me do some google searching. Seems there are several states that don't allow open carry for any that are interested and aren't aware here is a good website for resources - Open Carry (http://www.opencarry.org/).

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: TN on December 01, 2008, 08:37:08 AM
last weekend was tax free for firearms in SC. :huepfenjump3:



TN
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: REGGAB on December 02, 2008, 05:49:19 AM
Not that I'd ever carry the thing on the bikes, but...........
I have a Browning Auto-5 Light in 16 guage.......AKA:  Sweet 16.  Belgian.  Been in our family since 1962-3.  That's Dad's best recollection of when Mom got it for him.  Tried using the methodology listed on Browning's website to get an accurate date of manufacture, but the serial number on the underside of the receiver doesn't match the decryption code on Browning's website.

Was wondering/hoping someone here could help me figure out exactly how old this weapon is.  Serial Number is 3S16279.  The buttstock end bears the old FN label.  Gold trigger and lots of ornate stuff you'd expect on a Belgian Browning Sweet 16.  Pristine.  I remember oogling this thing since I was old enough to walk.......and based on that, the date on the instruction manual, and Dad's fading memory, I think it is a 1963 model, but I can't find anything definitive based on the serial number.

Thanks in advance to whoever can help me figure out how old this piece of my family history is.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: MJZ on December 03, 2008, 10:13:39 AM
You got to see this: :2vrolijk_21:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4069761537893819675&p
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on December 03, 2008, 10:22:50 AM
Yup! Love my country and fear my government.

Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: MJZ on December 03, 2008, 10:23:57 AM
Yup! Love my country and fear my government.



Yep, that is what I was thinking.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Steve G on December 03, 2008, 02:51:35 PM
You got to see this: :2vrolijk_21:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4069761537893819675&p
Very worthwhile!  She sure tells it like it is.   :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: arcticdude on December 03, 2008, 04:42:09 PM
To bad she said it so long ago.  It's been forgotten by most.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: dlaws01 on December 04, 2008, 04:37:35 PM
Kimber Stainless Covert .45 ACP with Corbon 230 grain prefragmented jacketed hollowpoints with a +P powder charge, because if I have to shoot someone I don't want them to suffer
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Steve G on December 04, 2008, 05:24:25 PM
I have a customized Colt .45 ACP I used to shoot competition with, but I leave it in my dresser when I'm at home.  I just keep a S&W model 60 in my Denali, but I never carry a piece on me even though I have a CCW permit. 
I have been looking at the Ruger .380 LCP for a pocket gun I might actually carry.  -Sounds like now's the time to get one.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: cuthbertss on December 05, 2008, 08:09:58 PM
I have a customized Colt .45 ACP I used to shoot competition with, but I leave it in my dresser when I'm at home.  I just keep a S&W model 60 in my Denali, but I never carry a piece on me even though I have a CCW permit. 
I have been looking at the Ruger .380 LCP for a pocket gun I might actually carry.  -Sounds like now's the time to get one.

LCPs are scarce right now due to the recall.....  excellent gun though!
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Coolbreeze on December 05, 2008, 09:10:02 PM
What was the recall all about? 
and
How big a smack is it in the palm to shoot?
re:  I run a Kimber Ultra carry with BIG handloads, and I willingly pop 40-50 rounds through my DE .50cal, but,  snakebit is something entirely different to convince the wife to carry....
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on December 05, 2008, 10:31:49 PM
My LCP is affected...Before I live loaded it I buffed the chamber, cycled it about 30 times with snap caps and 30 rds into fed fmj ball I got sore but it is ideal fla carry...My cdp was too big.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: cuthbertss on December 06, 2008, 12:15:46 AM
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Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: cuthbertss on December 06, 2008, 12:16:21 AM
mine is also affected....

im real careful to not drop it on the hammer until they fix it ;-)
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: LarryB on December 06, 2008, 05:37:02 AM
I'm not going to divulge what I carry and where I carry it. But let me say that anytime my wife or myself leaves this house, there is a handgun somewhere on each of us. Yes, we both have concealed carry permits. When On the Bikes, there is usually and extra one on board.
I've always been partial to 9mm with a 4 in barrel, wifey likes S&W snub 38 spec, but likes her new 380.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: ridefar on December 06, 2008, 07:47:03 AM
Always, legally of course. Colt Series 70 Lightweight Commander.45 ACP worked over to perfection by Novak's .45 Shop. Owned since new in 1980. Also, you can't beat a nice wheelgun like a Smith .38 snub or bigger if you are willing, nice because they do not leave spent cases lying around, if you get my drift. If expecting trouble, stay home or take a rifle or shotgun.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: spydglide on December 06, 2008, 09:46:58 AM
Always, legally of course. Colt Series 70 Lightweight Commander.45 ACP  worked over to perfection by Novak's .45 Shop. Owned since new in 1980. Also, you can't beat a nice wheelgun like a Smith .38 snub or bigger if you are willing, nice because they do not leave spent cases lying around, if you get my drift. If expecting trouble, stay home or take a rifle or shotgun.
Great shooter.  Just wish mine was the 'lightweight' like yours.......I'd probably choose it more often for CC.   8)  har!  spyder
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Steve G on December 06, 2008, 01:55:42 PM
I just found a Ruger LCP at a small local gun shop right in Custer.  I asked about the recall deal, but the lady who owns the shop didn't seem to know much about it.  Anyway, I bought it.  When I got home I got on the computer, and sure enough- my new gun is subject to the recall. 
I was going to return it, but I started thinking about the fact that although it's a small hassle I would get the upgrades AND a free extra clip so I decided to keep it.  I just sent Ruger an email this morning and already received a reply.  -Besides, I'm not going to be dropping a loaded gun anytime soon anyway.  I just wanted to be sure and get one while the gettin's good.

The thing is, I feel like dejavu all over again with the "product enhancement" deal I just went through with my bike!   :confused5:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: cuthbertss on December 06, 2008, 02:13:56 PM
I just found a Ruger LCP at a small local gun shop right in Custer.  I asked about the recall deal, but the lady who owns the shop didn't seem to know much about it.  Anyway, I bought it.  When I got home I got on the computer, and sure enough- my new gun is subject to the recall. 
I was going to return it, but I started thinking about the fact that although it's a small hassle I would get the upgrades AND a free extra clip so I decided to keep it.  I just sent Ruger an email this morning and already received a reply.  -Besides, I'm not going to be dropping a loaded gun anytime soon anyway.  I just wanted to be sure and get one while the gettin's good.

The thing is, I feel like dejavu all over again with the "product enhancement" deal I just went through with my bike!   :confused5:

very true on the Deja VU!!!! 

it seems like Ruger is doing what they can to make it painless and correct so, no worries  enjoy it!
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on December 08, 2008, 08:12:31 AM
I just found a Ruger LCP at a small local gun shop right in Custer.  I asked about the recall deal, but the lady who owns the shop didn't seem to know much about it.  Anyway, I bought it.  When I got home I got on the computer, and sure enough- my new gun is subject to the recall. 
I was going to return it, but I started thinking about the fact that although it's a small hassle I would get the upgrades AND a free extra clip so I decided to keep it.  I just sent Ruger an email this morning and already received a reply.  -Besides, I'm not going to be dropping a loaded gun anytime soon anyway.  I just wanted to be sure and get one while the gettin's good.

The thing is, I feel like dejavu all over again with the "product enhancement" deal I just went through with my bike!   :confused5:

Take the gun down and buff the chamber/reciever/barrel with a scotch brite red pad.  Load snap caps into the mag and hand cycle the lil runt a bunch...I did that a few times then with a few snap caps loaded, proceeded to beat the crap out of it, no hammer fall, but I am sending it back anyway.  It fired fine with no feed problems spritely recoil with fmj, I imagine the heavy corbons will kick good.  I need a mag xtension I think.

I no longer keep one in the chamber to avoid the Plexcio but still carry it and can rack one purty dern quick after a little practice.



Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: arcticdude on December 08, 2008, 01:07:56 PM
[quote author=miker link=topic=16970.msg499641#msg499641 date= )

I no longer keep one in the chamber to avoid the Plexcio but still carry it and can rack one purty dern quick after a little practice.


Not as quick as a BG pulling the trigger.




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Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on December 08, 2008, 01:11:19 PM
True :'(

That is why I swapped out for the cdp this am...Boy is it heavy! 
Maybe I should go pick up a 22 mag wheel for the meantime.

Any suggestions, this Kimber is just too big.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Steve G on December 08, 2008, 02:22:43 PM
Take the gun down and buff the chamber/reciever/barrel with a scotch brite red pad.  Load snap caps into the mag and hand cycle the lil runt a bunch...I did that a few times then with a few snap caps loaded, proceeded to beat the crap out of it, no hammer fall, but I am sending it back anyway.  It fired fine with no feed problems spritely recoil with fmj, I imagine the heavy corbons will kick good.  I need a mag xtension I think.

I no longer keep one in the chamber to avoid the Plexcio but still carry it and can rack one purty dern quick after a little practice.





Thanks for the advise.  Good idea about the scotch-bright pad.  As you probably already know, the new mag Ruger sends you is supposed to have the extention on it.  -Steve
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on December 08, 2008, 02:29:51 PM
They haven't even sent me a return auth yet!  This is gonna end up costing me...a new ccw...
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Fed68 on December 08, 2008, 03:36:02 PM
Here is another web site that gives information about concealed carry permits.  http://www.usacarry.com/index.php

Personally, I carry a Smith & Wesson M&P40 compact.  This thread has been very interesting and it's amazing to see the amount of people who carry.  Even though I live in Illinois I have a concealled permit for Iowa as I work and travel in Iowa alot.  You can't get a CCP in IL unless you are a cop or private investigator.  We can thank Chicago for that!!

Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on December 08, 2008, 04:06:06 PM
What is amazing to me is seeing the caliber (pun intended) of people I see at gun shows signing up for cwp in Fla..The Gunshine state.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on December 08, 2008, 07:27:49 PM
What is amazing to me is seeing the caliber (pun intended) of people I see at gun shows signing up for cwp in Fla..The Gunshine state.

yeah...
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: spydglide on December 08, 2008, 07:35:29 PM
yeah...
What are " Gold D Bites "  ????   :-\ har!   :drink:spyder
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Keats on December 08, 2008, 07:41:15 PM
What are " Gold D Bites "  ????   :-\ har!   :drink:spyder

too much  :drink:        "Gold Bikes rule"
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: spydglide on December 08, 2008, 07:56:33 PM

too much  :drink:        "Gold Bikes rule"

....just 'funnin' w/ the Major.  :huepfenlol2: har!  :drink: spyder
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: ridefar on December 08, 2008, 08:16:49 PM
True :'(

That is why I swapped out for the cdp this am...Boy is it heavy! 
Maybe I should go pick up a 22 mag wheel for the meantime.

Any suggestions, this Kimber is just too big.
  Buy a Smith 442 alloy .38 snub and put it in your pocket...13 ounces
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: RJ749 on December 08, 2008, 08:23:01 PM
  Buy a Smith 442 alloy .38 snub and put it in your pocket...13 ounces

I have enjoyed the one I got from my dad's collection, easy to carry and very good for personal protection.  I have the oringinal open hammer without the thumb lever.

Here's a pic of the Centennial.  Also, one for the ladies...........
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: RJ749 on December 08, 2008, 08:35:25 PM
 Also, one for the ladies........... 
 
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Fired00d on December 08, 2008, 08:39:42 PM
Hmmm, wonder if they have orange grips?? :)

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: ridefar on December 08, 2008, 08:43:42 PM
You can have it any way you want Dood!
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: RJ749 on December 08, 2008, 08:47:34 PM
Hmmm, wonder if they have orange grips?? :)

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:

Like this maybe?
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Fired00d on December 08, 2008, 08:50:08 PM
Like this maybe?
:ROFLOL:  :2vrolijk_21:

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Fired00d on December 08, 2008, 08:52:53 PM
Seriously though that did peak my interest I like the idea of it being small enough to slip in your pocket. My only concern is I have large hand(s) and wonder about smaller handguns like that. I'll have to stop by a gunshop and put my hands on one, even better find someone that has a few small frame guns and go shoot them.

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: SBB on December 08, 2008, 08:54:30 PM
Like this maybe?


Geeeeeeeeeee
That model doesn't have the chrome hinges either!
What's up with that?

 :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: sadunbar on December 08, 2008, 08:56:00 PM
Seriously though that did peak my interest I like the idea of it being small enough to slip in your pocket. My only concern is I have large hand(s) and wonder about smaller handguns like that. I'll have to stop by a gunshop and put my hands on one, even better find someone that has a few small frame guns and go shoot them.

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:

Just don't carry in your waistband...I have heard if it were to fall thru your waistband - it is possible when retreiving it - to shoot yourself in your leg...   ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: ridefar on December 08, 2008, 08:56:28 PM
[quote author=miker link=topic=16970.msg499641#msg499641 date= )

I no longer keep one in the chamber to avoid the Plexcio but still carry it and can rack one purty dern quick after a little practice.


Not as quick as a BG pulling the trigger.

I would be willing to bet that Plaxico was handling a Glock. They are an accident waiting to happen to someone who does not train with one constantly, as there is no safety.  Catch that "safe action trigger" on something and that bad-boy goes bang if it contains a chambered round. Had a local "federal agent" touch a round off in a mall men"s room while pulling his pants up, no bull!



Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Fired00d on December 08, 2008, 09:01:03 PM

Geeeeeeeeeee
That model doesn't have the chrome hinges either!
What's up with that?

 :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss:
Maybe a friend is going to get them for it. :nixweiss: ;D

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Fired00d on December 08, 2008, 09:02:32 PM
Just don't carry in your waistband...I have heard if it were to fall thru your waistband - it is possible when retreiving it - to shoot yourself in your leg...   ??? ??? ???
Believe you me I'm not going to be sticking nothing in my waistband. :nervous:

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Fired00d on December 08, 2008, 09:10:13 PM
I'm used to big frame guns....

(http://www.notpurfect.com/main/dw22.jpg)

A little hard to conceal w/an eight inch barrel though. :oops: ;D :D ;D :D

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on December 08, 2008, 09:23:06 PM
yeah...

I hate you....
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: ridefar on December 08, 2008, 10:15:31 PM
I'm used to big frame guns....

(http://www.notpurfect.com/main/dw22.jpg)

A little hard to conceal w/an eight inch barrel though. :oops: ;D :D ;D :D

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:    Ah yes, the Dan Wesson interchangable barrel system. Amazingly accurate.
     
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: EZRIDN on December 08, 2008, 10:29:10 PM
Ruger LCP .380 is all I need...wifey has a Taurus PT25.  Also have a .357 mag Armenius for my backup (there's a twist for ya) among the rest of the hunting gear I keep in the office.

I have the famed "370" numbered LCP...haven't heard squat from Ruger since registering over a month ago.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: cuthbertss on December 08, 2008, 10:31:30 PM
Ruger LCP .380 is all I need...wifey has a Taurus PT25.  Also have a .357 mag Armenius for my backup (there's a twist for ya) among the rest of the hunting gear I keep in the office.

I have the famed "370" numbered LCP...haven't heard squat from Ruger since registering over a month ago.

I honestly think that Ruger is just getting their chit together for the recall....  thats a lot of guns affected by it..

it'll come

the 110 guys should be used to this  ::)
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: EZRIDN on December 08, 2008, 10:40:53 PM
I honestly think that Ruger is just getting their chit together for the recall....  thats a lot of guns affected by it..

it'll come

the 110 guys should be used to this  ::)

I'm sure they will come through...haven't heard though what the actual additional upgrades are that they say they will be making.  I do look forward to getting the freebie mag w/finger grip....looks much nicer than the std.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: cuthbertss on December 08, 2008, 10:56:18 PM
I'm sure they will come through...haven't heard though what the actual additional upgrades are that they say they will be making.  I do look forward to getting the freebie mag w/finger grip....looks much nicer than the std.

i have shot with the new mag..it is very nice

Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on December 09, 2008, 07:34:50 AM
i have shot with the new mag..it is very nice



What didja shoot through it, all I have used is ball in mine...
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: VaEagle on December 09, 2008, 10:55:18 AM
Here is a complete kit for Fired00d !

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=11101&storeId=10001&productId=49906&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=15707&isFirearm=Y
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Fired00d on December 09, 2008, 11:19:55 AM
Here is a complete kit for Fired00d !

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=11101&storeId=10001&productId=49906&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=15707&isFirearm=Y
Interesting. :2vrolijk_21:

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: cuthbertss on December 09, 2008, 11:35:07 AM
What didja shoot through it, all I have used is ball in mine...

cheap ball

but...i carry gold dot ( no choice really)
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: RJ749 on December 09, 2008, 07:15:09 PM
I'm not an assault weapons collector but I saw a listing at my gun shop for a Colt AR 15.  It noted it is rare and worth having.

Any opinions welcome.  It was around $1400.00 and had extra mags etc.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on December 09, 2008, 07:19:26 PM
Condition I guess is the question, I am not a Colt expert by any means.
They are just fun to shoot...223 has gotten pricey though...The colt will always keep value..
I own a S&W AR and it is a nice gun, I paid around 1100 a few years back...
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: RJ749 on December 09, 2008, 07:23:23 PM
I think I'll go by there in the morning and see what the deal is with it.

I doubt they'd have it posted where they do if they weren't looking for a Colt nut to see it.  I know I need to get some additional details to know what I'm talking about anyway.

Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: LarryB on December 09, 2008, 08:23:33 PM
I got a Colt AR-15 for 5 yrs of my life.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on December 09, 2008, 08:31:12 PM
I'm not an assault weapons collector but I saw a listing at my gun shop for a Colt AR 15.  It noted it is rare and worth having.

Any opinions welcome.  It was around $1400.00 and had extra mags etc.

More fun to build them...  Get a DPMS stripped lower and a Del-ton kit.  I just built an M4 and an A2 - was a blast just to build them, and Del-ton makes a great upper kit for $465 plus the lower - just be patient delivery times are long right now.

Just got my Yugo M70AB2 kit tonight, going to build an AK underfolder and a fixed stock Rom G next.

Building them is addicting

Sean
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: RJ749 on December 09, 2008, 09:36:30 PM
Here is a complete kit for Fired00d !

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=11101&storeId=10001&productId=49906&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=15707&isFirearm=Y

Get stuck in the woods and then open your kit and read the book. :2vrolijk_21:

Model 500ES - Emergency Survival Tool Kit contains:
Smith & Wesson Model 500, 2 3/4" Barrel with Bright Orange Hogue® recoil reducing grip
Waterproof Storm® Case
Blast Match™ Firestarter and WetFire tender
Saber Cut™ Saw with fabric sheath
Jet Scream™ whistle
Star Flash™ signal mirror
Polaris® compass
Two MPI Mylar Space® Emergency Blankets
Smith & Wesson Extreme Ops Liner Lock Folding Knife with Black Sheath
"Bear Attacks of the Century - True Stories of Courage and Survival" book by Larry Mueller and Marguerite Reiss
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: spydglide on December 09, 2008, 11:03:26 PM
I think I'll go by there in the morning and see what the deal is with it.

I doubt they'd have it posted where they do if they weren't looking for a Colt nut to see it.  I know I need to get some additional details to know what I'm talking about anyway.


Don't know how 'rare' they are, Rog.  But I do like mine, of course, I've had it for a very long time.  Price is all over the place for them and as you know, condition, condition, condition.  ;D har!  spyder
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: RJ749 on December 09, 2008, 11:37:17 PM
Don't know how 'rare' they are, Rog.  But I do like mine, of course, I've had it for a very long time.  Price is all over the place for them and as you know, condition, condition, condition.  ;D har!  spyder

I'll be checking it out in the AM I hope, I forgot Santa is going on his annual buying trip for the company Christmas party tomorrow and Mrs. Claus will be along (no gun store).

But Santa will be able to stop afterwards.  If I have the strength.  :2vrolijk_21:

Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: cuthbertss on December 09, 2008, 11:40:34 PM
I'll be checking it out in the AM I hope, I forgot Santa is going on his annual buying trip for the company Christmas party tomorrow and Mrs. Claus will be along (no gun store).

But Santa will be able to stop afterwards.  If I have the strength.  :2vrolijk_21:



enjoy that trip my friend...  and i kinda doubt that AR is all that "rare" for that price, but  any AR is a good one   :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: RJ749 on December 09, 2008, 11:44:35 PM
enjoy that trip my friend...  and i kinda doubt that AR is all that "rare" for that price, but  any AR is a good one   :2vrolijk_21:

Devil is in the details I know, so I'll get my research done so I'm not talking out of the orifice I normally am Scot.  At least the shopping will be fun.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: spydglide on December 09, 2008, 11:45:21 PM
Ohhhhhh K, Santa.  A panel van full of wrapped presents.  8) Good Santa!  har!  :drink: spyder
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: arcticdude on December 10, 2008, 09:51:16 AM
Roger,
Hop onto gunbroker.com.  You should find lots to look at and learn from as far as what prices the Colts are bringing.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: BLM777 on December 10, 2008, 11:07:21 AM
Devil is in the details I know, so I'll get my research done so I'm not talking out of the orifice I normally am Scot.  At least the shopping will be fun.

One thing to pay attention to Roger is the model.  I've got a Colt AR that I bought 2 of several years ago that is the Target Match Competition model.  Wish I hadn't sold one of them to a friend as I turned down $2600 for mine last week with an AimPoint red dot on it.  Seen some standard ones going anywhere from $1000 to $1600 in the past couple of months depending upon condition.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Coolbreeze on December 10, 2008, 03:14:32 PM
Ifr you are looking for a rare AR-15, I have a rare one that I bought new in 83.  22" bbl, 3 30rd mags, and a scope on the removable mount.  It's one of a kind, (the only one I have), and I'll take $2500 for it on paypal...     That s a screamin deal! 
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: RJ749 on December 10, 2008, 05:35:51 PM
One thing to pay attention to Roger is the model.  I've got a Colt AR that I bought 2 of several years ago that is the Target Match Competition model.  Wish I hadn't sold one of them to a friend as I turned down $2600 for mine last week with an AimPoint red dot on it.  Seen some standard ones going anywhere from $1000 to $1600 in the past couple of months depending upon condition.

Is this one like your match? http://www.gunsinternational.com/results.cfm?cid=72

 COLT MATCH H-BAR GI#:100065342
COLT MATCH HBAR AR-15 RIFLE, .223/5.56NATO CALIBER, 20" HEAVY BARREL, NO FLASH SUPPRESSOR, LONG HANDGUARD. ADJUSTABLE SIGHTS(A-2), FIXED CARRY HANDLE AND BUTTSTOCK. COMES w/1-9 ROUND MAGAZINE. CONTACT FOR FURTHER DETAIL OR QUESTIONS....more
Seller: DOMINIONOUTDOORS Area Code: 540  $1,299.99
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on December 29, 2008, 02:05:41 PM
I honestly think that Ruger is just getting their chit together for the recall....  thats a lot of guns affected by it..

it'll come

the 110 guys should be used to this  ::)


I must give credit to Ruger in regards to the lcp recall issue.
I spoke with a human that had an american accent, they sent a box for shippingtwo days after speaking with them, sent it ups on the 19th got it back an the 26th with an extra magazine and finger extension(nice) and a ball cap...Very good service, off to the range this week to heat it up...
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Hoist! on December 29, 2008, 02:51:14 PM

I must give credit to Ruger in regards to the lcp recall issue.
I spoke with a human that had an american accent, they sent a box for shippingtwo days after speaking with them, sent it ups on the 19th got it back an the 26th with an extra magazine and finger extension(nice) and a ball cap...Very good service, off to the range this week to heat it up...

Does Ruger still deny Health Insurance to bikers who choose to ride helmetless in states where it's legal? Many bikers protested Ruger for this policy, led by AMA qand ABATE. Was wondering if this is still the case.

Hoist! 8)
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: BLM777 on December 29, 2008, 06:25:54 PM
Is this one like your match? http://www.gunsinternational.com/results.cfm?cid=72

 COLT MATCH H-BAR GI#:100065342
COLT MATCH HBAR AR-15 RIFLE, .223/5.56NATO CALIBER, 20" HEAVY BARREL, NO FLASH SUPPRESSOR, LONG HANDGUARD. ADJUSTABLE SIGHTS(A-2), FIXED CARRY HANDLE AND BUTTSTOCK. COMES w/1-9 ROUND MAGAZINE. CONTACT FOR FURTHER DETAIL OR QUESTIONS....more
Seller: DOMINIONOUTDOORS Area Code: 540  $1,299.99


Similar weapon Roger, but pre ban (sear only change for full auto).  Most of the post ban AR's are marked "match"...the older ones (most bought on government purchases) designate "competition match".  Most of the pre ban are set up for quick change from "street legal" to auto for competition in the armed forces events.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on December 29, 2008, 07:13:58 PM
Does Ruger still deny Health Insurance to bikers who choose to ride helmetless in states where it's legal? Many bikers protested Ruger for this policy, led by AMA qand ABATE. Was wondering if this is still the case.

Hoist! 8)

Don't know??? Don't care...they could go to work for someone else if it is that big a deal to them...I would if it were to me...
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: cuthbertss on December 29, 2008, 10:33:33 PM
Don't know??? Don't care...they could go to work for someone else if it is that big a deal to them...I would if it were to me...

Ditto

only care about their product and their customer service

so far a+++
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: cuthbertss on December 29, 2008, 10:34:45 PM

I must give credit to Ruger in regards to the lcp recall issue.
I spoke with a human that had an american accent, they sent a box for shippingtwo days after speaking with them, sent it ups on the 19th got it back an the 26th with an extra magazine and finger extension(nice) and a ball cap...Very good service, off to the range this week to heat it up...

havent gotten mine back yet...but the outbound experience was about the same

any FFL on site that answer a technical question offline?
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Admiral on December 29, 2008, 11:02:41 PM
Wouldn't think of not carrying

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yJ7cfr9Lso
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: JoMo on December 29, 2008, 11:08:09 PM
admit to nothing


                       Jo mo NYC  :coolblue:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on December 29, 2008, 11:21:47 PM
havent gotten mine back yet...but the outbound experience was about the same

any FFL on site that answer a technical question offline?

I have have relatively quick access to one...but am on leave until Monday.  Can it wait?

Sean
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: BLM777 on December 30, 2008, 09:46:48 AM
Wouldn't think of not carrying

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yJ7cfr9Lso


Funny video .... can't agree with the politically correct left foot/right foot deal though.  My training and experience dictates a "double tap" to the center torso followed by a single to the forehead on the way down .... leaves only one live witness to the story ....   ::)
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Fired00d on December 30, 2008, 10:34:17 AM
Funny video .... can't agree with the politically correct left foot/right foot deal though.  My training and experience dictates a "double tap" to the center torso followed by a single to the forehead on the way down .... leaves only one live witness to the story ....   ::)
True dat. :2vrolijk_21:

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: MIKEYTEE on December 30, 2008, 03:07:48 PM
I would never post weather I did or didn't on a public forum. Never know who might be lurking!
By the way I start my new job with ATF next week!
Mike
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LIE,  Just wanted to see the reactions!
 ;D ;D ;D :drink:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: dmnrdn on December 30, 2008, 06:39:16 PM
True dat. :2vrolijk_21:

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:

Amen.  I made the mistake years ago when I was in law enforcement of Only wounding a person and not killing them.  It was a woman who was coming at me from behind with a knife as I was arresting her husband who had just beat the hell out of her.  I had a moment of sympathy and did not kill her.  Long story short they tried to sue me.  Lesson learned.   Dead people do not testify.   Yes my back up was around he is the one who warned me about here because he did not have a clean line of fire to her. 
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on December 30, 2008, 09:26:53 PM
I would never post weather I did or didn't on a public forum. Never know who might be lurking!
By the way I start my new job with ATF next week!
Mike
 :drink:

LIE,  Just wanted to see the reactions!
 ;D ;D ;D :drink:
But if folks know you are packing, odds are they will not mess with you... 

A black talon just under a half inch has quite a persuasive capability.

My take - peace through superior firepower.

Sean
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: MIKEYTEE on December 30, 2008, 11:10:07 PM
Sean,
I like to keep them guessing! Do he do or do he don't?
Feel lucky......... Make my day!
Mike
 :drink:
Title: Hand guns carried on bikes?
Post by: 1abastarsmda on January 03, 2009, 01:06:08 PM
I've noticed that a good many people that I ride with carry guns with them.  I'm just not sure how this comes in handy with them locked in the tourpack.  At what point do you get a gun out?  Is there really a good reason to carry one with you on a bike...versus any other time?  This is a serious question.  I've been shopping around online lately, looking at them.  I'm just not quite sure what the reason I would be getting it for.  I would think that I could end up in irreversible trouble by having one.  I'm sure I'll spark some people to respond to this one.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Screamin on January 03, 2009, 01:11:09 PM
Goldarnitalltoheck Dood you're fast on the merge thing.   :)

Back to topic.   :jack:
Title: Re: Hand guns carried on bikes?
Post by: HogBreath on January 03, 2009, 01:11:23 PM
I've noticed that a good many people that I ride with carry guns with them.  I'm just not sure how this comes in handy with them locked in the tourpack.  At what point do you get a gun out?  Is there really a good reason to carry one with you on a bike...versus any other time?  This is a serious question.  I've been shopping around online lately, looking at them.  I'm just not quite sure what the reason I would be getting it for.  I would think that I could end up in irreversible trouble by having one.  I'm sure I'll spark some people to respond to this one.

Get a hammerless S&W 38. It fits nicely inside the pocket of the HD leather jacket, or in the back pocket of your jeans. Or so I've heard.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Fired00d on January 03, 2009, 01:12:11 PM
Goldarnitalltoheck Dood you're fast on the merge thing.   :)

Back to topic.   :jack:
Hehehehe. :2vrolijk_21:

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: 212hjet on January 03, 2009, 02:15:27 PM
You mean like a 642....wouldn't know anything about those.  1ABA.... I think your question answers the question you posed, in regards to you packing a firearm.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: SBB on January 03, 2009, 03:20:47 PM
Goldarnitalltoheck Dood you're fast on the merge thing.   :)

Back to topic.   :jack:

Other than pasting the hint on his forehead what other choice did he have?


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Quote from: 1abastarsmda on Today at 12:59:26 PM
That aims me at a question, but I'm going to post it as a new topic...regarding guns and bikes.

Have you seen this thread - Do you carry?

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 


 :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: 1abastarsmda on January 03, 2009, 03:31:57 PM
You mean like a 642....wouldn't know anything about those.  1ABA.... I think your question answers the question you posed, in regards to you packing a firearm.

I'm guessing that what you are saying is to forget about purchasing a gun...and just be happy that those I ride with carry one.
Title: Re: Hand guns carried on bikes?
Post by: Steve G on January 03, 2009, 03:56:03 PM
I've noticed that a good many people that I ride with carry guns with them.  I'm just not sure how this comes in handy with them locked in the tourpack.  At what point do you get a gun out?  Is there really a good reason to carry one with you on a bike...versus any other time?  This is a serious question.  I've been shopping around online lately, looking at them.  I'm just not quite sure what the reason I would be getting it for.  I would think that I could end up in irreversible trouble by having one.  I'm sure I'll spark some people to respond to this one.
I believe you should work through the issues you have mentioned before you buy a gun.  There are some excellent books out that should help you.  One I would recommend is titled "In the Gravest Extreme" by Massad Ayoob. 
Title: Re: Hand guns carried on bikes?
Post by: Hoist! on January 03, 2009, 04:04:02 PM
I believe you should work through the issues you have mentioned before you buy a gun.  There are some excellent books out that should help you.  One I would recommend is titled "In the Gravest Extreme" by Massad Ayoob. 

HeHe!!! I thought you were joking and referring to a Terrorist! :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss: ;D ;D ;D

Had to look it up:

In The Gravest Extreme - Massad Ayoob

The Role of the Firearm in Personal Protection The modern classic book that AMERICAN HANDGUNNER calls "must reading for anyone who owns a firearm for self defense". This best seller is widely acclaimed by cops, lawyers, and judges as the ultimate guide to the use of a gun's deadly force at the ultimate level of self protection. Numerous lawyers have said that they learned more about self defense law from this book than they did in law school. Often imitated but never equaled, In The Gravest Extreme tells it like it is, and prepares you to protect you and yours against criminal violence without being crucified for it in court. Anti-gunners call it "a guide on how to kill criminals and get away with it," but men like Lt. Frank McGee, former head of firearms training for New York City Police Department, say it's "must reading" for anyone who keeps a gun for self defense. Welcome to the reality of the street in a book that also makes a memorable gift to anyone who keeps a gun in their home. 130 pgs, illust., softcover

It wasn't a joke, and sounds interesting! ;)

Hoist! 8)
Title: Re: Hand guns carried on bikes?
Post by: Screamin on January 03, 2009, 04:23:14 PM
I believe you should work through the issues you have mentioned before you buy a gun.  There are some excellent books out that should help you.  One I would recommend is titled "In the Gravest Extreme" by Massad Ayoob. 

I note that this was published in 1980. While it received rave reviews, no doubt there's been many changes in the laws, technology and attitudes in the U.S. over the past 28 years or so. Any idea of a similar reference which is more up to date?
Title: Re: Hand guns carried on bikes?
Post by: spydglide on January 03, 2009, 04:34:14 PM
I note that this was published in 1980. While it received rave reviews, no doubt there's been many changes in the laws, technology and attitudes in the U.S. over the past 28 years or so. Any idea of a similar reference which is more up to date?
I'd still read Ayoob's book.....it covers the basic concepts of using deadly force w/o sugar-coating it and w/o adding the macho precepts.  Gotta have your 'mind' right before 'carrying'.  :-X  spyder
Title: Re: Hand guns carried on bikes?
Post by: Steve G on January 03, 2009, 05:14:52 PM
I note that this was published in 1980. While it received rave reviews, no doubt there's been many changes in the laws, technology and attitudes in the U.S. over the past 28 years or so. Any idea of a similar reference which is more up to date?
As others have pointed out, the basic concepts don't change, but if you can get your hands on the American Handgunner Personal Defense 2008 special edition annual, it has some really good articles.  It was put out August 12, 2008.  (There's also a great article in it by Mr. Ayoob).  You may be able to order it at www.americanhandgunner.com
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: serghaven on January 03, 2009, 06:25:12 PM
I carry because its my right. I have a licence to carry a gun. I do not have a licence to pull my gun. That is something you need to remember. To use your gun to protect your bike would be a good way to lose your bike in a lawsuit. I do not carry it in a tour pak it is on my hip at all time. In my state you do not have to conceal the gun. so,  if anyone was messing with my bike and I were to walk up to them with my 45 on my hip, it would get their attention. If you ever do need to pull you gun. Remember dead people can not sue.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: spydglide on January 03, 2009, 06:45:11 PM
I carry because its my right. I have a licence to carry a gun. I do not have a licence to pull my gun. That is something you need to remember. To use your gun to protect your bike would be a good way to lose your bike in a lawsuit. I do not carry it in a tour pak it is on my hip at all time. In my state you do not have to conceal the gun. so,  if anyone was messing with my bike and I were to walk up to them with my 45 on my hip, it would get their attention. If you ever do need to pull you gun. Remember dead people can not sue.
Oh, but the 'family' will surely take up the civil cause on the deceased' behalf.  Not sure I'd want to count on the good judgement of someone observing your weapon, either.  :-\  Just saying.....   spyder
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: 212hjet on January 03, 2009, 06:53:26 PM
While contemplating Serghaven's last sentence, remember that the heirs of the deceased CAN sue and that the state in which the shooting takes place CAN bring a criminal action against you for a variety of offenses if they think you violated their laws.  It is always wise to know as much as you can agout the law regarding self defense and defense of others and concealed and open carry.  The publications mentioned, the internet and the State's Attorney General's office are good sources to begin.  Personally, I think the mental aspect of carrying needs the most contemplation once you know as much as you can about your rights and make the decision to carry.
Enjoy riding, protect yourself and be safe.
212
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: BLM777 on January 03, 2009, 07:02:55 PM
Oh, but the 'family' will surely take up the civil cause on the deceased' behalf.  Not sure I'd want to count on the good judgement of someone observing your weapon, either.  :-\  Just saying.....   spyder

Amen, brother Spyder.  I would prefer that it be the very last thing they ever see .....  ;D
Title: Re: Hand guns carried on bikes?
Post by: 1abastarsmda on January 03, 2009, 07:35:10 PM
I've noticed that a good many people that I ride with carry guns with them.  I'm just not sure how this comes in handy with them locked in the tourpack.  At what point do you get a gun out?  Is there really a good reason to carry one with you on a bike...versus any other time?  This is a serious question.  I've been shopping around online lately, looking at them.  I'm just not quite sure what the reason I would be getting it for.  I would think that I could end up in irreversible trouble by having one.  I'm sure I'll spark some people to respond to this one.

I'm quoting myself on this one.  I'm not getting the answers I was looking for, so I'll try to reword this.  I think I'm looking for an example of a time someone on a bike has needed to pull their gun out.  I'm trying to figure out what the reason is that so many of these people I ride with carry a gun on their bike, but not in their cars.  Am I missing something?
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: brhulen on January 03, 2009, 07:35:47 PM
Maybe so, maybe no!  If its concealed, then that's where it should remain unless needed. I tend to think that applies to discussing whether someone does or doesn't.  That being said Alaska is one of the few states where a CW permit is not required.  But, if you are going to carry, I suggest that you attend a CW course and become proficient with the weapon you intend to carry.  Many quickly attain a false sense of bravado by simply carrying a sidearm, and that's pure unadulterated B.S.  Nothing makes up for constant practice.  Have you ever watched the results of a police shoot out?  Look how many shots are fired by trained professionals that never hit their target.  In an emergency situation your adrenaline rush will be out of control and you'll be damn lucky to hit what you're shooting at.  I do intend to agree with an earlier post referrng to a double tap and to that I would add the failure to stop procedure.  If you simply shoot to wound, then chances are you really didn't need to.  If your life is indeed in danger and you must use deadly force then shoot to end it, not postpone it.  Your first duty is to remove yourself from the situation if at all possible, and that will be one of the first questions you'll be asked when the interviews commence.  Lastly, there is a huge responsibility that comes with carrying a CW not the least are the multitude of restrictions regarding where you cannot carry a weapon and that includes if you have a CW permit. I hate to harp on this guys, but I carry a weapon for a living and always abide by the four golden rules.  If you don't know them, you shouldn't be carrying a firearm of any kind!  Be responsible, be careful.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: OhioDave on January 03, 2009, 08:40:35 PM
Maybe so, maybe no!  If its concealed, then that's where it should remain unless needed. I tend to think that applies to discussing whether someone does or doesn't.  That being said Alaska is one of the few states where a CW permit is not required.  But, if you are going to carry, I suggest that you attend a CW course and become proficient with the weapon you intend to carry.  Many quickly attain a false sense of bravado by simply carrying a sidearm, and that's pure unadulterated B.S.  Nothing makes up for constant practice.  Have you ever watched the results of a police shoot out?  Look how many shots are fired by trained professionals that never hit their target.  In an emergency situation your adrenaline rush will be out of control and you'll be damn lucky to hit what you're shooting at.  I do intend to agree with an earlier post referrng to a double tap and to that I would add the failure to stop procedure.  If you simply shoot to wound, then chances are you really didn't need to.  If your life is indeed in danger and you must use deadly force then shoot to end it, not postpone it.  Your first duty is to remove yourself from the situation if at all possible, and that will be one of the first questions you'll be asked when the interviews commence.  Lastly, there is a huge responsibility that comes with carrying a CW not the least are the multitude of restrictions regarding where you cannot carry a weapon and that includes if you have a CW permit. I hate to harp on this guys, but I carry a weapon for a living and always abide by the four golden rules.  If you don't know them, you shouldn't be carrying a firearm of any kind!  Be responsible, be careful.

Well said !!!
Title: Re: Hand guns carried on bikes?
Post by: RedBone on January 03, 2009, 09:11:36 PM
Get a hammerless S&W 38. It fits nicely inside the pocket of the HD leather jacket, or in the back pocket of your jeans. Or so I've heard.

Hogbreath so right as an x leo S&W 640 I can wear with tshirt or whatever and not a hassle at all carry by habit and its better to have one and not need it then to not have one and need it to many wackos out there :nervous:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Plasmaman on January 03, 2009, 09:46:48 PM
Having spent a year in Vietnam as a helicopter gunship pilot I found that it is easy to take a life but so very hard to forget that I did. I am licensed to carry and do so but my tiny 22 mag remains in my pocket and will remain there unless I find myself or my family in dire straits and no other option is available. The right to carry comes with an awesome responsibility. Don't ever abuse your rights.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: dlaws01 on January 03, 2009, 11:47:27 PM
I have had a carry permit issued by the state for nine years now.  I don't always carry but if I'm traveling overnight or out of town I do.  I have never been in a situation where I felt I needed to draw my weapon, thank God.  However, I do practice quick draw, point and shoot without aiming almost weekly and have probably put 10,000 plus rounds through my handgun to stay proficient. 
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: LarryB on January 04, 2009, 06:42:02 AM
Dave, I'll try and answer your question of, has anyone ever had to pull and shoot while on the Bike? I have never had to nor have I seen it done, that includes my OL days. Kind of gives old west feel. I do carry, all the time, and have unholstered maybe a dozen times in 25 years, once to fire, and then it was them or me. The military taught me to use the "minimum amount of force" to subdue the situation, and then Special Forces taught me to "go for the jugular" right off the bat. So a whole lot of common sense has got to come into play. When my wife took the CW classes, she felt most of the other women in the class should NEVER carry a weapon, kinda scared her. But she took that Colt Python and put 100% in center mass. She carries ALL the times while working and riding, not a women you'd want to cross, or cut in line in front of at the store.
What I have found that removes the use of deadly force is those little novelty baseball bats. I carry one on the bike, while on trips I have it so my left hand can access it. I drill the top out and fill with lead. wont kill anyone, but will get there attention. Unless you strike a blow to the sweet spot of the melon, so don't do that.
Here's a little tip, if ever in a bar fight and you need to use a pool cue as a weapon, take the fat end whack the tip end on the pool table fast to break the tip off. then it's a stick, a pool cue can be considered a deadly weapons, a stick...........is a stick.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: 1abastarsmda on January 04, 2009, 12:25:22 PM
I used to carry just such a novelty baseball bat in my car, years ago.  I still don't know who stole it from me.  I've been asking some of the guys I ride with, that I didn't already know if they carried a gun when riding.  I'm one of the very few that doesn't.  It sounds like I am well protected without having to carry one myself.  That doesn't mean that I've abandoned the concept entirely.  I've been doing a lot of reading on the subject, and may head to a range to find out some more.  If I should get one, I want to make sure I am well educated and learn how to shoot.  I've only ever shot a gun once in my life...a rifle.  Some buddies took me out for target practice (oil cans) and they got mad and took the gun away from me when I hit all 3 cans with my only 3 shots, since they never hit one.  It turns out that I had either beginner's luck or a very good eye for this sort of thing.  If I ever get to the point of getting out there and firing a weapon again, I'll let you know if I'm actually any good at it.  At this point, it's still far down on my priority list.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Coolbreeze on January 05, 2009, 03:54:29 PM
I used to carry just such a novelty baseball bat in my car, years ago.  I still don't know who stole it from me.  I've been asking some of the guys I ride with, that I didn't already know if they carried a gun when riding.  I'm one of the very few that doesn't.  It sounds like I am well protected without having to carry one myself.  That doesn't mean that I've abandoned the concept entirely.  I've been doing a lot of reading on the subject, and may head to a range to find out some more.  If I should get one, I want to make sure I am well educated and learn how to shoot.  I've only ever shot a gun once in my life...a rifle.  Some buddies took me out for target practice (oil cans) and they got mad and took the gun away from me when I hit all 3 cans with my only 3 shots, since they never hit one.  It turns out that I had either beginner's luck or a very good eye for this sort of thing.  If I ever get to the point of getting out there and firing a weapon again, I'll let you know if I'm actually any good at it.  At this point, it's still far down on my priority list.

A right not exercised is a right lost.
Title: Re: Hand guns carried on bikes?
Post by: Keats on January 05, 2009, 07:32:25 PM
I'm quoting myself on this one.  I'm not getting the answers I was looking for, so I'll try to reword this.  I think I'm looking for an example of a time someone on a bike has needed to pull their gun out.  I'm trying to figure out what the reason is that so many of these people I ride with carry a gun on their bike, but not in their cars.  Am I missing something?


Could the answer be so simple, as a "group" (Bikers) are of the mindset of self reliance and preservation that it seems natural to take actions that would be consistant with those beliefs.
I personally have never had to pull a gun out and hope not to, but I cannot picture myself being a bystander to a horrific sequence of events without an intervention of some kind.
There are serious consequences for using deadly force but the biggest upside is living through the event.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: hard10 on January 05, 2009, 08:45:29 PM
Dave, I'll try and answer your question of, has anyone ever had to pull and shoot while on the Bike? I have never had to nor have I seen it done, that includes my OL days. Kind of gives old west feel. I do carry, all the time, and have unholstered maybe a dozen times in 25 years, once to fire, and then it was them or me. The military taught me to use the "minimum amount of force" to subdue the situation, and then Special Forces taught me to "go for the jugular" right off the bat. So a whole lot of common sense has got to come into play. When my wife took the CW classes, she felt most of the other women in the class should NEVER carry a weapon, kinda scared her. But she took that Colt Python and put 100% in center mass. She carries ALL the times while working and riding, not a women you'd want to cross, or cut in line in front of at the store.
What I have found that removes the use of deadly force is those little novelty baseball bats. I carry one on the bike, while on trips I have it so my left hand can access it. I drill the top out and fill with lead. wont kill anyone, but will get there attention. Unless you strike a blow to the sweet spot of the melon, so don't do that.
Here's a little tip, if ever in a bar fight and you need to use a pool cue as a weapon, take the fat end whack the tip end on the pool table fast to break the tip off. then it's a stick, a pool cue can be considered a deadly weapons, a stick...........is a stick.


Here's a little tip, if you break (or steal) one of my pool sticks, I'll come and find ya. Now I know why I go through so many cases of them a year!
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: LarryB on January 06, 2009, 06:43:02 AM
Hard10, that little bit if info is on the house. I usually charge for such things but for a CVO Bro. it's free.
Hey, I gotta try and make something back from all those years of hard knocks.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on January 06, 2009, 10:01:00 AM
I never go any were in the car with out a piece.  On the bike I do not always have it, as most rides are much less likely to be near unsavory areas.

I did just get another carry piece, a Kimber Ultra CDP II, 45acp
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on January 06, 2009, 11:13:15 AM
Fine choice..
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: hdhog1 on January 06, 2009, 08:44:10 PM
Yeah and if you live in New Jersey.  You better know a commercial crabber that needs bait or have a buddy with a backhoe dig you a new basement.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Steve G on January 07, 2009, 04:34:41 PM
This surely isn't original, and I don't know who the author is, but I like the concept.
"I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop".  ;)
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: SPIDERMAN on January 07, 2009, 05:53:38 PM
To answer this thread, sad to say YES, about an extra 100lbs, but I had my first meeting for Lapband surgery on Monday so I'm workin on it

B B
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: BigLew on January 07, 2009, 05:57:59 PM
Sorry to hear about the extra 100, I feel your pain myself. Glad you are being proactive. It will be worth it. That's next on my list./But I just quit smoking. One at a time! :drink:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: LarryB on January 08, 2009, 04:51:25 AM
Did he say Lapdance surgery? what, she throw your back out?

Good luck
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: NW_FLSTRSE3_2009 on January 08, 2009, 09:51:56 AM
double tap, make sure he cant appear in court, to dipsute your side of the story

...two to the body one to the head...

In case he is wearing body armor!
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: BAKRDS on January 08, 2009, 04:35:14 PM
This come up on this site yet ?? 
   http://ammunitionaccountability.org/legisiation.htm
  The way I read it it would apply to handloads also.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: SPIDERMAN on January 08, 2009, 04:36:59 PM
Did he say Lapdance surgery? what, she throw your back out?

Good luck

No but she lightened my wallet by a couple sawbucks
 8)
B B
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: BAKRDS on January 08, 2009, 04:41:29 PM
This come up on this site yet ?? 
   http://ammunitionaccountability.org/legislation.htm
  The way I read it it would apply to handloads also.


     Try it again.Never could spell  to good.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on January 08, 2009, 04:41:37 PM
I know 3 people who have had it done...Easy to get done but hard to adjust the feed bag, they have to graze during the day, no belling up to the bone in strip steak anymore but each one has lost considerable weight and one lost his diabetes too!  Go for it, your retired what you got to do???  Good luck with it BB, really.  :drink:

If you want some email address' pm me I'll send them along...
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: BAKRDS on January 08, 2009, 04:44:36 PM

     Try it again.Never could spell  to good.

      http://ammunitionaccountability.org/legislation.htm
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on January 08, 2009, 08:16:32 PM
      http://ammunitionaccountability.org/legislation.htm

This would effectively kill hand loading and from what I have read it mandates the turn in of all current inventories.

H.R. 1022 that is other issue

Bad times ahead
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on January 09, 2009, 07:39:18 AM
Or drive it underground....of all the things to worry about...if they need revenue just tax it...
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on January 09, 2009, 10:10:26 AM
Or drive it underground....of all the things to worry about...if they need revenue just tax it...
you mean like blue pickle barrels with desiccant and 12" PVC, sealed at both ends to make them water tight - scattering scrap metal in the yard to throw off metal detectors?

Not that I have thought about that or anything  ::)
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on January 09, 2009, 11:09:00 AM
No like illegal production, crooks don't care about laws but when give them the opportunity to make money through prohibiton of any kind, they will.....Just put a tax on and be dome with, no new agencies to form blah blah blah...I thought $.35 a round for .223 was bad, imagine $.75

$22.00 clips out plinkin??? $10.00 range practice clips for the kimber or lcp?

Makes golf and fishing cheaper...

By the by Ruger did good on the LCP recall, 1 week turn around, extra mag with extender(needed even with my pudgy little hands) and a dorky ball cap.  Have heated it up yet though, prolly should while I can afford it...
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: BAKRDS on January 09, 2009, 12:23:23 PM
Have to keep a few rounds of legal ammo around.Don't want to get caught shooting
some dirtbag breaking into your house with illeagle ammo.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: BLM777 on January 09, 2009, 12:44:35 PM
This would effectively kill hand loading and from what I have read it mandates the turn in of all current inventories.

H.R. 1022 that is other issue

Bad times ahead

Pleased to comply ..... one round at a time   ;D
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: BigLew on January 09, 2009, 01:04:07 PM
Love my FN five-seven!!!!!!!!!!!! Just quit shooting the heavy stuff. Second and third shots take too long to be accurate. Besides 3 20 round clips are cool. If I really want to be accurate I'll use the P7M8, just can't find a good carry holster for it. Best handgun ever made. Why they don't make it anymore is beyound me. But trust me I've had many people argue with me and then we would go to the range and they end up trying to buy it. All around.....best there is. If you find one buy it...if you don't like it let me know I'll buy it.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on January 09, 2009, 01:17:50 PM
A respectful disagreement from me but I am biased like a Gator alum...
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: BigLew on January 09, 2009, 01:45:02 PM
Sure you would it's a $1400 gun. I've owned 4 and still have a ultra cdp and a raptor II. Like most people that don't shoot 100 rounds a month if you carry a hand gun with one in the pipe and the hammer back bad things are going to happen if you need to use it in a hurry. I'm not a big glock fan for the same reason. And you're right everyone is entitled to their opinion. And mine is that nothing is even a close second for cc handgun. Extremely accurate even to a novice, lots of knock down, no recoil and keep one in the chamber and most people couldn't figure out how to shoot it if they took it away from you. Ultimate carry weapon!! 8)
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: spydglide on January 09, 2009, 01:56:20 PM
That sure is a 'pretty' pistol, Miker......but I still see nothing wrong with my Colt .45 1911s, in different sizes for different purposes.  ;) har!  spyder
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: BigLew on January 09, 2009, 02:11:37 PM
That sure is a 'pretty' pistol, Miker......but I still see nothing wrong with my Colt .45 1911s, in different sizes for different purposes.  ;) har!  spyder
You're right spyder Colt makes a pretty good .45. Just not a very good cc handgun in my opinion.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on January 09, 2009, 02:14:27 PM
Sure you would it's a $1400 gun. I've owned 4 and still have a ultra cdp and a raptor II. Like most people that don't shoot 100 rounds a month if you carry a hand gun with one in the pipe and the hammer back bad things are going to happen if you need to use it in a hurry. I'm not a big glock fan for the same reason. And you're right everyone is entitled to their opinion. And mine is that nothing is even a close second for cc handgun. Extremely accurate even to a novice, lots of knock down, no recoil and keep one in the chamber and most people couldn't figure out how to shoot it if they took it away from you. Ultimate carry weapon!! 8)

Yup Lew, I will keep my eye out for one, handsome with a wood grip..
That is why I went with the lcp, like a vacation from the cdp. I felt bad dinging it up.
The lil ruger is not too bad to shoot ball out of at practice time but it stings with the gold dot.
Almost bought a seecamp but after seeing that P7M8 and hearing the testimony, let the hunt begin!
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: BigLew on January 09, 2009, 02:31:14 PM
Yup Lew, I will keep my eye out for one, handsome with a wood grip..
That is why I went with the lcp, like a vacation from the cdp. I felt bad dinging it up.
The lil ruger is not too bad to shoot ball out of at practice time but it stings with the gold dot.
Almost bought a seecamp but after seeing that P7M8 and hearing the testimony, let the hunt begin!
Yep I feel your pain. I love the ultra cdp. Its as good looking as anything I've ever owned. Or it was until I put it under the vettes seat and the memory setting ran over the wood. Ouch!! Backstrapping will eat my hand up if I shoot it very much. The 9mm is a good round, I can get back on target much faster and without any flash at night. I wish I could find a 13 shot but the grip would be a lot bigger. One of the things I really like about the H&K it has a good size grip and long enough fo all my fingers but a short slide. And with the weird safety... try one you will love it.Especially if you like playing with guns!!!
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: BLM777 on January 09, 2009, 02:34:19 PM
Recently obtained the Ultra Covert with the Crimson Trace laser sight in addition to the slide night sights.  With only about 300 rounds thru it got to say it's impressive, even to a guy who swears to 30 years of shooting 1011's.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on January 09, 2009, 02:34:35 PM
It is the height of gunshow season downhere, I'll be lookin...I do not own any HK but have an open mind when it comes to firearms!   ;) :D
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: BigLew on January 09, 2009, 02:41:06 PM
It is the height of gunshow season downhere, I'll be lookin...I do not own any HK but have an open mind when it comes to firearms!   ;) :D
Excellent there are a few sights for the holster wear but if you see anything that looks good for cc let me know.      than :bananarock:ks
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on January 09, 2009, 02:43:45 PM
I have 5k through mine and still need a takedown pin, kimbers are worth it..I have a 300 winmag I used to hunt with...>1moa at 100
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: BLM777 on January 09, 2009, 02:47:23 PM
I have 5k through mine and still need a takedown pin, kimbers are worth it..I have a 300 winmag I used to hunt with...>1moa at 100

Custom build ?
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: BigLew on January 09, 2009, 02:51:12 PM
I have 5k through mine and still need a takedown pin, kimbers are worth it..I have a 300 winmag I used to hunt with...>1moa at 100
Don't do much rifle hunting anymore but weapon of choice is a 7 winmag. Doing a lot more bird hunting hunting and sporting clays. Love to watch the dogs work!!
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on January 09, 2009, 03:08:05 PM
No, but I remember custom load, I cannot recall the spec...Kimbers are custom built and a treat to own.
I have not fired in years, prolly should when the range has the 300 meter alley open.  It sits. I need a new spotting scope..

My AR was put into service hunting hogs via 4 wheeler with S&W 357 wheel 7 1/2 barrel sidearm for cutting through palm fronds, but those days down here are now waning too as the desperate need of gated communities, golf courses and shopping malls has taken much hunting ground out of the limited natural space.   :-\

Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: BigLew on January 09, 2009, 03:17:52 PM
No, but I remember custom load, I cannot recall the spec...Kimbers are custom built and a treat to own.
I have not fired in years, prolly should when the range has the 300 meter alley open.  It sits. I need a new spotting scope..

My AR was put into service hunting hogs via 4 wheeler with S&W 357 wheel 7 1/2 barrel sidearm for cutting through palm fronds, but those days down here are now waning too as the desperate need of gated communities, golf courses and shopping malls has taken much hunting ground out of the limited natural space.   :-\


Its the new grey hair club. Did some hog hunting up here with the new S&W 500 hunting version with the sling and such. Shot good when I didn't flinch. Then it started spitting metal at me through the break at least I thought so.........long story. anyway I don't have it anymore.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on January 09, 2009, 04:54:16 PM
Big club! Can't say I blame you...last box through the kimber and I had to take advil for my elbow... :'(
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: arcticdude on January 09, 2009, 06:35:16 PM
The smaller 45's all will wear you out shooting full loads.  I shoot the lighter loads for practice but carry full loads.  You get to keep the muscle memory going with the light loads and if the chit hits the fan, the big loads will do the job.  You're not going to worry about your elbow til at least a week after and by then it will be fine!  It's also been show more times than I care to remember that the accuracy of your load and pistol will be mute when the stress and adrenaline kick in.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: porthole on January 10, 2009, 09:35:03 AM
Must be popular, every one listed here is sold.

http://mactec-militaryarms.com/hkp7.html
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on January 10, 2009, 10:57:52 AM
A respectful disagreement from me but I am biased like a Gator alum...

That looks like a Kimber CDP, most likely the Pro size.  It is the same as my new Ultra CDP but a inch longer barrel.

Very nice piece.

I love mine.  My wife keeps trying to take it from me.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on January 10, 2009, 11:02:30 AM
Yep I feel your pain. I love the ultra cdp. Its as good looking as anything I've ever owned. Or it was until I put it under the vettes seat and the memory setting ran over the wood. Ouch!! Backstrapping will eat my hand up if I shoot it very much. The 9mm is a good round, I can get back on target much faster and without any flash at night. I wish I could find a 13 shot but the grip would be a lot bigger. One of the things I really like about the H&K it has a good size grip and long enough fo all my fingers but a short slide. And with the weird safety... try one you will love it.Especially if you like playing with guns!!!

I love my Ultra CDP.  Fine shooting gun.  Almost to pretty for Carry.  I can shoot 100 to 150 rounds of 45acp with it and its not bad on the hands.  Wife gets tired after about 60 rounds or so with it.
Title: Re: Hand guns carried on bikes?
Post by: 1abastarsmda on January 16, 2009, 04:22:34 PM
Get a hammerless S&W 38. It fits nicely inside the pocket of the HD leather jacket, or in the back pocket of your jeans. Or so I've heard.

Well, after talking it over with some friends, basically I was told to just forget that I have the gun, but if I ever really need it, remember that I have a gun.  I decided to go with the one that you suggested.  Model 642 Smith & Wesson 38 Special.  When I went into the gun shop, I was told just what I had read online...it was the most popular on the market.  Then they both showed me the ones that they carried on them...same one.  I found a local indoor range that charges $5/hr to shoot there.  That didn't seem like a very high price.  I think I will spend some time learning to shoot it and see where that takes me for comfort with it.  I always thought it would be a good idea to have at home, and I'm still not sure if it will ever leave the house other than going to the range.  My father always kept one in the house, and my mother sold it after he died, never fired once.  I'll at least learn how to shoot it.

I did find another range closeby that charges $12.50/hr and they have all kinds of rental guns there.  It may have been a smart move to go there and rent a few different ones to see which I liked best, but that's the hindsight thing.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: 1abastarsmda on January 21, 2009, 11:12:18 PM
Well, I got a chance to go fire my new S&W 38 Special at the range tonight.  I was glad when I walked in and saw one of my old neighbors that has a Street Glide there.  He introduced me to the only 4 other people there at the time.  One of the guys set up next to me and saw me shooting at the target and when I pulled the target in, he said he was a bit worried when he saw me shooting that far away with my gun.  He thought that I was actually hitting the target.  He told me that I was out of range for my gun and had me bring the target within range.  Then I started hitting real well...I think I was at about 25 feet.  He told me that was real good and that my gun was really meant for more like a 15 to 20 foot shot at most and that it was a great self defense weapon, but not much for target shooting.  He knew that I just bought the gun, but had no idea that I had never shot one before.  Then he started pulling out some of his different guns and had me try them.  He moved the targets back out further and had me give them a try.  I'll be darned, but I hit inside the target with all my shots and even hit the bullseye on one shot.  Then I told him that this was my first time shooting.  He told me that I was doing extremely well with no experience and that I picked a good gun for self defense and that if I wanted to get good at target shooting, he can get some other guns for me to try so I can get another to use for longer distance targets.  So, what I'm saying is I found a real nice guy that was very willing to help out and he doesn't sell guns.  He told me the place I got mine was by far the best dealer around this area.  I don't even know what kind of guns these were that I was firing, but I quickly found out how much easier it was to aim and pull the trigger with the hammer cocked and firing single action.  I fired off all 50 bullets that I had, as well as about another 30 of his.  Anyway, I'm glad that I found a place real closeby that I feel comfortable going to practice.  I may take a liking to this.  If I do make it a regular stop, I may just have to go get myself another gun that would be better equipped for target practice.  Oh no...am I getting sucked into another hobby that's going to get expensive?
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: RJ749 on January 21, 2009, 11:23:37 PM
Oh no...am I getting sucked into another hobby

that's going to get expensive?

To the above YES and YES :2vrolijk_21: :huepfenlol2:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: 1abastarsmda on January 22, 2009, 12:05:32 AM
To the above YES and YES :2vrolijk_21: :huepfenlol2:

This better not take away my money for bike parts and accessories.  I guess I'm lucky though...at least I'm not into skiing.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: RJ749 on January 22, 2009, 01:09:54 AM
Posted to Craig's List Personals:

To the Guy Who Mugged Me Downtown (Downtown, Savannah )

Reply to:
Date: 2009-01-06, 3:43AM EST

I was the white guy with the black Burrberry jacket that you demanded I hand over shortly after you pulled the knife on me and my girlfriend. You also asked for my girlfriend's purse and earrings. I hope you somehow come across this message. I'd like to apologize.

I didn't expect you to crap your pants when I drew my pistol after you took my jacket. Truth is, I was wearing the jacket for a reason that evening, and it wasn't that cold outside. You see, my girlfriend had just bought me that Kimber 1911 .45 ACP pistol for Christmas, and we had just picked up a shoulder holster for it that evening. Beautiful pistol, eh? It's a very intimidating weapon when pointed at your head, isn't it?

I know it probably wasn't a great deal of fun walking back to wherever you'd come from with that brown sludge flopping about in your pants. I'm sure it was even worse since you also ended up leaving your shoes, cell phone, and wallet with me. I couldn't have you calling up any of your buddies to come help you try to mug us again. I took the liberty of calling your mother, or "Momma" as you had her listed in your cell, and explaining to her your situation. I also bought myself some gas on your card. I gave your shoes to one of the homeless guys over by Vinnie Van Go Go's, along with all of the cash in your wallet, then I threw the wallet itself in a dumpster.

I called a bunch of phone sex numbers from your cell. They'll be on your bill in case you'd like to know which ones. Alltel recently shut down the line, and I've only had the phone for a little over a day now, so I don't know what's going on with that. I hope they haven't permanently cut off your service. I was about to make some threatening phone calls to the DA's office with it. Oh well.

So, about your pants. I know that I was a little rough on you when you did this whole attempted mugging thing, so I'd like to make it up to you. I'm sure you've already washed your pants, so I'd like to help you out. I'd like to reimburse you for the detergent you used on the pants. What brand did you use, and was it liquid or powder? I'd also like to apologize for not killing you and instead making you walk back home humiliated. I'm hoping that you'll reconsider your choice of path in life. Next time you might not be so lucky.
If you read this message, email me and we'll do lunch and laundry. Peace Bro!


- Alex
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: LarryB on January 22, 2009, 04:46:11 AM
ya but Dave, at least you don't need to use a dremel on a gun, unless you really want to.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: 1abastarsmda on January 22, 2009, 08:03:17 AM
ya but Dave, at least you don't need to use a dremel on a gun, unless you really want to.
Leave it to you to hit me with the dremel again.  Not only have I gotten better with it, I found out some more uses for it.  Look...I can do my own dental work now...
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on January 22, 2009, 08:16:04 AM
Well, I got a chance to go fire my new S&W 38 Special at the range tonight.  I was glad when I walked in and saw one of my old neighbors that has a Street Glide there.  He introduced me to the only 4 other people there at the time.  One of the guys set up next to me and saw me shooting at the target and when I pulled the target in, he said he was a bit worried when he saw me shooting that far away with my gun.  He thought that I was actually hitting the target.  He told me that I was out of range for my gun and had me bring the target within range.  Then I started hitting real well...I think I was at about 25 feet.  He told me that was real good and that my gun was really meant for more like a 15 to 20 foot shot at most and that it was a great self defense weapon, but not much for target shooting.  He knew that I just bought the gun, but had no idea that I had never shot one before.  Then he started pulling out some of his different guns and had me try them.  He moved the targets back out further and had me give them a try.  I'll be darned, but I hit inside the target with all my shots and even hit the bullseye on one shot.  Then I told him that this was my first time shooting.  He told me that I was doing extremely well with no experience and that I picked a good gun for self defense and that if I wanted to get good at target shooting, he can get some other guns for me to try so I can get another to use for longer distance targets.  So, what I'm saying is I found a real nice guy that was very willing to help out and he doesn't sell guns.  He told me the place I got mine was by far the best dealer around this area.  I don't even know what kind of guns these were that I was firing, but I quickly found out how much easier it was to aim and pull the trigger with the hammer cocked and firing single action.  I fired off all 50 bullets that I had, as well as about another 30 of his.  Anyway, I'm glad that I found a place real closeby that I feel comfortable going to practice.  I may take a liking to this.  If I do make it a regular stop, I may just have to go get myself another gun that would be better equipped for target practice.  Oh no...am I getting sucked into another hobby that's going to get expensive?
7 yards...so your 25' is about right for close in practice

Work a double tap with a 38, one double action, on single action if that works (you may have DA only)

also try a fire from the hip/holster - pointing/pushing with your left hand (assuming you are a righty)...to simulate you are being harassed at close range, draw and shoot while pushing an attacker way to get yourself some distance to draw/shoot.

15 yards is about the outside range for long distance on that - we do 25 yards for qual also - slow fire single action only stuff

guns are as addicting as MC's to me...  AR's and AK's have been my obsession lately, I am building a Romanian "G" AK currently, it is de-milled and waiting on a new receiver, which I am bending from a flat - this is a no kidding build it yourself gun, fun!

Sean
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: 1abastarsmda on January 22, 2009, 08:23:59 AM
7 yards...so your 25' is about right for close in practice

Work a double tap with a 38, one double action, on single action if that works (you may have DA only)

also try a fire from the hip/holster - pointing/pushing with your left hand (assuming you are a righty)...to simulate you are being harassed at close range, draw and shoot while pushing an attacker way to get yourself some distance to draw/shoot.

15 yards is about the outside range for long distance on that - we do 25 yards for qual also - slow fire single action only stuff

guns are as addicting as MC's to me...  AR's and AK's have been my obsession lately, I am building a Romanian "G" AK currently, it is de-milled and waiting on a new receiver, which I am bending from a flat - this is a no kidding build it yourself gun, fun!

Sean

I think until I get a little more comfortable with it, I'd be afraid of shooting my own left hand trying that manuever just yet.  I've got to go out and get some more ammo now.  It looks like there is a wide swing in prices from place to place and it's not cheap.  I guess when I heard mention of ammo prices going up, I didn't pay attention, since it wasn't something that mattered to me...until now.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on January 22, 2009, 08:32:25 AM
Welcome to spending money on things that go boom....

Remember Kimbers are worth every penny and you should have (see: need) at least on black gun...AR's are very handy...

My latest "need" a .458 Lott Kimber model 8400...Stump knocker...Or the 84M in .308 or....a new 44 magnum wheel,  Ruger prolly

When MOA becomes a obession, you know it is too late...

http://www.kimberamerica.com/index.php
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: 1abastarsmda on January 22, 2009, 08:38:11 AM
Welcome to spending money on things that go boom....

Remember Kimbers are worth every penny and you should have (see: need) at least on black gun...AR's are very handy...

My latest "need" a .458 Lott Kimber model 8400...Stump knocker...Or the 84M in .308 or....a new 44 magnum wheel,  Ruger prolly

When MOA becomes a obession, you know it is too late...

http://www.kimberamerica.com/index.php

My old neighbor grabbed me off before I left there last night and had me check out his new scope...some kind of laser scope that had 4 different hologram choices.  Now that was cool.  He told me to let him know when I was going there next so he can show up and let me try that out too.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on January 22, 2009, 08:43:14 AM
Optics are a whole other ball game...I do have a crimson trace laser on my rugher lcp 380...accurate to the 15-25 foot range...It shows you how unsteady your hand really is...But it may give more confidence in the defensive stance the Major was talkin about...Don't put the red dot on your hand.

Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: 1abastarsmda on January 22, 2009, 08:45:38 AM
Optics are a whole other ball game...I do have a crimson trace laser on my rugher lcp 380...accurate to the 15-25 foot range...It shows you how unsteady your hand really is...But it may give more confidence in the defensive stance the Major was talkin about...Don't put the red dot on your hand.



I think I can remember that piece of advice.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on January 22, 2009, 08:49:45 AM
You are ahead of the curve...Find some "snap caps", phoney ammo to help in racking, clearing and getting used to draw and fire practice at home...I found them helpful and cheap...
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on January 22, 2009, 08:50:57 AM
Yep shooting can become very adicting.

And as some one else said, Kimbers are worth it.  The single action on them is smooth and they are very accurate guns.

Sad thing is, at first I wanted one gun.  Then I wanted another, and got it, then another and so one, and it seems the more I have the more I want.

Loved the story about the Kimber and mugger
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: 1abastarsmda on January 22, 2009, 08:53:14 AM
Yep shooting can become very adicting.

And as some one else said, Kimbers are worth it.  The single action on them is smooth and they are very accurate guns.

Sad thing is, at first I wanted one gun.  Then I wanted another, and got it, then another and so one, and it seems the more I have the more I want.

Loved the story about the Kimber and mugger

The guy that let me shoot some of his guns last night told me that guns are like tattoos...nobody can just get one.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on January 22, 2009, 08:59:01 AM
 1abastarsmda the other thing...when you buy your gun safe,,, buy one so big that you will say to yourself, "I'll never need all that space"...

You will...you will.... "Luke, come to the dark side"...

My Fort Knox Defender is 41' wide, weighs 1200 pounds and is configured to be a 15 gun easy access, that is 15 long arms(I have traded and sold some over the years)...it also holds 2 dozen handguns, ammo, documents and other gee gaws and is full.  If I had the room, I'd just secure a full room and install a vault door...I have it bad...

http://www.ftknox.com/
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: 1abastarsmda on January 22, 2009, 09:06:33 AM
1abastarsmda the other thing...when you buy your gun safe,,, buy one so big that you will say to yourself, "I'll never need all that space"...

You will...you will.... "Luke, come to the dark side"...

My Fort Knox Defender is 41' wide, weighs 1200 pounds and is configured to be a 15 gun easy access, that is 15 long arms(I have traded and sold some over the years)...it also holds 2 dozen handguns, ammo, documents and other gee gaws and is full.  If I had the room, I'd just secure a full room and install a vault door...I have it bad...

http://www.ftknox.com/

Whoa...slow down.  I don't think I'm ready for that quite yet.  I just figured out that you must have meant 41", not 41', but still.  Right now I still only have one gun that will fit in my pocket and I've only been out to shoot it once.  I think (at least I hope) that I won't need a safe like that for quite some time. :nixweiss:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on January 22, 2009, 09:06:54 AM
I think until I get a little more comfortable with it, I'd be afraid of shooting my own left hand trying that manuever just yet.  I've got to go out and get some more ammo now.  It looks like there is a wide swing in prices from place to place and it's not cheap.  I guess when I heard mention of ammo prices going up, I didn't pay attention, since it wasn't something that mattered to me...until now.
depends on the caliber...but yeah, it has gone through the roof lately...something about Jan 20th.

Reloading always and option and one that I find quite satisfying - love reloading.  

You have to be totally focused, no outside distractions - very zen, your other "stuff" goes away as your punching primers and watching and measuring grains.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on January 22, 2009, 09:07:45 AM
Whoa...slow down.  I don't think I'm ready for that quite yet.  I just figured out that you must have meant 41", not 41', but still.  Right now I still only have one gun that will fit in my pocket and I've only been out to shoot it once.  I think (at least I hope) that I won't need a safe like that for quite some time. :nixweiss:

COME TO THE DARK SIDE...
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on January 22, 2009, 09:08:55 AM
or else
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: 1abastarsmda on January 22, 2009, 09:09:40 AM
For now, I think I'm going to get cleaned up and head to the store.  I need to pick up some ammo and see what other goodies I might want to get for now.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on January 22, 2009, 09:09:47 AM
1abastarsmda the other thing...when you buy your gun safe,,, buy one so big that you will say to yourself, "I'll never need all that space"...

You will...you will.... "Luke, come to the dark side"...

My Fort Knox Defender is 41' wide, weighs 1200 pounds and is configured to be a 15 gun easy access, that is 15 long arms(I have traded and sold some over the years)...it also holds 2 dozen handguns, ammo, documents and other gee gaws and is full.  If I had the room, I'd just secure a full room and install a vault door...I have it bad...

http://www.ftknox.com/

secure room is already in the planning stages for the "final house" as I call it - cinder block, wire reinforced, fire suppression with a steel door, filtered humidity controlled air in the center of the house...

yeah, I'm nuts
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: FNGw/08SERK on January 22, 2009, 09:10:09 AM
COME TO THE DARK SIDE...
.... would love to but .... I live in NY  :rifle: :nixweiss:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on January 22, 2009, 09:10:22 AM
Whoa...slow down.  I don't think I'm ready for that quite yet.  I just figured out that you must have meant 41", not 41', but still.  Right now I still only have one gun that will fit in my pocket and I've only been out to shoot it once.  I think (at le :Dast I hope) that I won't need a safe like that for quite some time. :nixweiss:

41 inch wide, sorry...I need a 41 foot room... :D :D
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on January 22, 2009, 09:10:53 AM
.... would love to but .... I live in NY  :rifle: :nixweiss:

that is the DARK STATE (also CA, NJ, CT)
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: 1abastarsmda on January 22, 2009, 09:11:30 AM
secure room is already in the planning stages for the "final house" as I call it - cinder block, wire reinforced, fire suppression with a steel door, filtered humidity controlled air in the center of the house...

yeah, I'm nuts

Let's just say that I'm still into my bike more than the gun.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on January 22, 2009, 09:13:19 AM
Let's just say that I'm still into my bike more than the gun.
I obsess about both equally...and my woodworking also (and fly fishing, and hunting and computers and somewhere in there my kids and wife)

freaking work gets in the way of all my fun, but at least I get to ride to work...oh and I get to play with guns a lot at work also
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on January 22, 2009, 09:14:39 AM
secure room is already in the planning stages for the "final house" as I call it - cinder block, wire reinforced, fire suppression with a steel door, filtered humidity controlled air in the center of the house...

yeah, I'm nuts

Hmmmm, me too....great mimes act alike....as I sip organic Honduran coffee...Fort Knox is the snizzle in vault equipment...A survivalist acquaintance in the Loxahatchee has a room, very nice...
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on January 22, 2009, 09:15:45 AM
abastarsmda pick upp one of these if you find one... :P
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: 1abastarsmda on January 22, 2009, 09:17:52 AM
abastarsmda pick upp one of these if you find one... :P

That looks more like the thing from Honey, I Shrunk the Kids
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: FUZZNUTS on January 22, 2009, 09:21:24 AM
Just bought a 45 cal Colt 1911 style. Made in 1950's. Never fired, still in the original box with horse hair brush and paper manual. Also it was wrapped in like a waxy type paper I guess to keep corrosion at bay. My dilemma is , should I shoot this one or should I clean it up and just keep it as a antique. I still want to buy a daily shooter, same style. Any input would be appreciated.............................Fuzz :nixweiss:    
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: BLM777 on January 22, 2009, 09:35:58 AM
secure room is already in the planning stages for the "final house" as I call it - cinder block, wire reinforced, fire suppression with a steel door, filtered humidity controlled air in the center of the house...

yeah, I'm nuts

Sean .... you might want to look at some of the safe room manufacturers.  We're just finishing up building our new home (last one burned totally to the ground last year .... nasty deal, especially a couple of custom .45's that melted into 1/4 inch sheets of metal that I had built for work a while back) and looked at all the options.  There are several nationwide companies that deliver the finished product with very strong ratings that end up a cleaner and less costly installation.  I'm going to look at a couple of finished installs and can forward you the info if you like in a couple of weeks.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: BLM777 on January 22, 2009, 09:48:46 AM
Just bought a 45 cal Colt 1911 style. Made in 1950's. Never fired, still in the original box with horse hair brush and paper manual. Also it was wrapped in like a waxy type paper I guess to keep corrosion at bay. My dilemma is , should I shoot this one or should I clean it up and just keep it as a antique. I still want to buy a daily shooter, same style. Any input would be appreciated.............................Fuzz :nixweiss:    

Fuzz .... that's a tough call.  If you're going to keep it, I wouldn't fire it as you may want to sell it to a collector at some point.  There's a strong market out there for old, original Colt 1911's and plenty of die hards that will pay whatever they can afford to own another one.  You may be able to make enough on it to buy a Kimber or similar custom build that is far superior for shooting.  I'm a 1911 fan and have carried one for 35 plus years, but must say that the older ones really just can't compete with the upper end new models. 
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: FUZZNUTS on January 22, 2009, 10:16:33 AM
I,m new at the pistol collecting as a hobby. But I do want a daily shooter for fun, not competition. I was at a gun shop and there was a parts gun (1911- 45) for around 500 or so is this something good to start with? I've seen S/W's and Taurus's for a little more and much newer. I'll take a closer look at the Kimbers now. The only thing I would have done with it would be a laser site and have the trigger pull tinkered with.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: BigLew on January 22, 2009, 10:46:43 AM
Kimbers are great but don't care for them as a carry piece. Never liked one in the pipe and the hammer cocked on my person. If i shot 1,000 or more rounds with it a year maybe but I don't. Just more things to go wrong in a panic situation. :bananarock:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on January 22, 2009, 01:57:52 PM
Sean .... you might want to look at some of the safe room manufacturers.  We're just finishing up building our new home (last one burned totally to the ground last year .... nasty deal, especially a couple of custom .45's that melted into 1/4 inch sheets of metal that I had built for work a while back) and looked at all the options.  There are several nationwide companies that deliver the finished product with very strong ratings that end up a cleaner and less costly installation.  I'm going to look at a couple of finished installs and can forward you the info if you like in a couple of weeks.
gtg - always looking to gather information for "the compound" intended for my retirement - and the imminent apocolypse...   :rifle: :rifle:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on January 22, 2009, 02:03:50 PM
Find abutting property, we can get a better deal on the fencing, well pumps and infrastructure costs, even game to hunt..


http://www.hdownsrealestate.com/content/listings.html?proptype=L&minprice=&maxprice&bed=&full=&county=&state=&selectvirtualprops=1&show_listings=1&ag_id=651801&pageclicked=5&RowCount=116
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: BLM777 on January 22, 2009, 02:06:21 PM
gtg - always looking to gather information for "the compound" intended for my retirement - and the imminent apocolypse...   :rifle: :rifle:

Will get it to you after I take a first hand look.  Got to agree on the "compound"... ours is nearly finished, got the high ground on the mountain top, 90 acres, 663 yards measured to the front gate and one way in and out ..... bet it's close to the compound you have in mind.....
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on January 22, 2009, 02:53:34 PM
Will get it to you after I take a first hand look.  Got to agree on the "compound"... ours is nearly finished, got the high ground on the mountain top, 90 acres, 663 yards measured to the front gate and one way in and out ..... bet it's close to the compound you have in mind.....

defensible perimeter - elevation, good fields of fire, source of water...all on the list

just love calling it "the compound"   :)
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: BLM777 on January 22, 2009, 05:39:08 PM
defensible perimeter - elevation, good fields of fire, source of water...all on the list

just love calling it "the compound"   :)

Until recently, I thought it was a joke, presently very apropos!   :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on January 22, 2009, 05:45:39 PM
Whats the signal for entry or frendlies?

Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: BLM777 on January 22, 2009, 05:50:41 PM
Whats the signal for entry or frendlies?



Sure you want to go there, Miker ;D ;D ;D ;D?
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on January 22, 2009, 06:37:28 PM
Whats the signal for entry or frendlies?



hold up the six pack...
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Hoist! on January 22, 2009, 06:41:02 PM
hold up the six pack...

HeHe!!! Or buy Sean lunch!!! ;D ;D ;D ;) :huepfenjump3: :huepfenjump3: :huepfenjump3:

Hoist! 8)
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on January 22, 2009, 06:42:33 PM
HeHe!!! Or buy Sean lunch!!! ;D ;D ;D ;) :huepfenjump3: :huepfenjump3: :huepfenjump3:

Hoist! 8)
that'll work 8)
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: LarryB on January 23, 2009, 05:19:41 AM
But don't wave the six pack around that just draws fire, plus it shakes up the beer.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on January 23, 2009, 07:31:11 AM
But don't wave the six pack around that just draws fire, plus it shakes up the beer.
and it better not be Bud or Bud Light...that gets you shot in the leg
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on January 23, 2009, 07:36:49 AM
Now you done gone and almost hurt my feeling with that beer comment....I think, wait....errrr, nope.
Nevermind... :drink:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: BLM777 on January 23, 2009, 08:52:08 AM
hold up the six pack...

...or a Mason jar with clear liquid...  Actually, flying the Marine Corp Flag on top of the mountain functions as a self-sorting device ..... I've observed some very rapid u-turns.


Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: RJ749 on January 23, 2009, 10:21:01 AM
...or a Mason jar with clear liquid...  Actually, flying the Marine Corp Flag on top of the mountain functions as a self-sorting device ..... I've observed some very rapid u-turns.




Honor and a warning I like it :2vrolijk_21:

I'm told homes with wall mounts are broken into far less than those without..............
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: arcticdude on January 24, 2009, 03:13:09 AM
Liberty safes, better fire ratings
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: HogBreath on January 24, 2009, 07:02:30 AM
depends on the caliber...but yeah, it has gone through the roof lately...something about Jan 20th.

Reloading always and option and one that I find quite satisfying - love reloading.  

You have to be totally focused, no outside distractions - very zen, your other "stuff" goes away as your punching primers and watching and measuring grains.

If anyone would want to get into reloading let me know. I have most everything for handloading rifles, not shotguns. Press, scales, and dies for..(Going off memory here) 223, 243, 308, 30-06, 270...maybe more..maybe less. I'd let it go lots cheaper than new. I have no idea what new is worth.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on January 24, 2009, 07:27:29 AM
If anyone would want to get into reloading let me know. I have most everything for handloading rifles, not shotguns. Press, scales, and dies for..(Going off memory here) 223, 243, 308, 30-06, 270...maybe more..maybe less. I'd let it go lots cheaper than new. I have no idea what new is worth.

pm sent!
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on January 24, 2009, 10:33:34 PM
foundation of my new obsession...  (someone mentioned building AK's...now I am head long down that path)

Bent this today, foundation for a new Romanian "G" kit I have already demilled, preparing to re-assemble

You can get the kits, no FFL and the flats same - becomes an FFL item once bent.

 :)
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: TN on January 25, 2009, 01:26:04 PM
old school. ;D



TN

Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: EZRIDN on January 26, 2009, 09:42:04 AM
I honestly think that Ruger is just getting their chit together for the recall....  thats a lot of guns affected by it..

it'll come

the 110 guys should be used to this  ::)


Got a note from Ruger after I sent them an inquiry about where my LCP was at....said 4-6 week delay due to replacement parts being delayed.  Their website still says one week turnaround after they receive it.  They've had mine for approx. three weeks now. 
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Steve G on January 26, 2009, 01:50:40 PM

Got a note from Ruger after I sent them an inquiry about where my LCP was at....said 4-6 week delay due to replacement parts being delayed.  Their website still says one week turnaround after they receive it.  They've had mine for approx. three weeks now. 

I've had my LCP for over 6 weeks now.  -Still haven't heard back from Ruger.
I got my CTC laser on though, along with my De Santis Nemesis holster and Winchester Silver tip ammo. 
I guess it doesn't matter that it's taking so long, seems like a small thing compared to the screwing around with my 110 motor. 
Sweet little piece though.  Fits nicely in my riding vest or just a jeans pocket with that holster.  It's so light and compact that you barely notice you're carrying.  -Perfect for ANY bar situation  :drink:.  (Just kidding)
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on January 26, 2009, 01:53:06 PM
I must have gotten luck with ruger on my lcp recall...I called, left email for a week then they called sent a the packaging and one week later I had it back with a new mag and extension plus???  It the week before christmas..??
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: EZRIDN on January 26, 2009, 03:14:47 PM
I've had my LCP for over 6 weeks now.  -Still haven't heard back from Ruger.
I got my CTC laser on though, along with my De Santis Nemesis holster and Winchester Silver tip ammo. 
I guess it doesn't matter that it's taking so long, seems like a small thing compared to the screwing around with my 110 motor. 
Sweet little piece though.  Fits nicely in my riding vest or just a jeans pocket with that holster.  It's so light and compact that you barely notice you're carrying.  -Perfect for ANY bar situation  :drink:.  (Just kidding)

Steve, does that holster stay in place well?  I haven't seen one in person to make a decision on buying one...seen 'em advertised everywhere...even on ebay. 
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Keats on January 26, 2009, 05:38:28 PM
Attention, has anyone seen this?

http://ammunitionaccountability.org/Legislation.htm


Scary stuff....... we cannot allow this to happen


Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: RJ749 on January 26, 2009, 11:23:15 PM
Attention, has anyone seen this?
http://ammunitionaccountability.org/Legislation.htm
Scary stuff....... we cannot allow this to happen


I got an email on it attributing it to the new admin.  It ran last year in Washington and died in committee.

I imagine it will continue being pushed.

Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on January 27, 2009, 08:17:57 AM
I got an email on it attributing it to the new admin.  It ran last year in Washington and died in committee.

I imagine it will continue being pushed.


H.R. 1022 is a bigger and more realistic concern
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Steve G on January 27, 2009, 12:26:45 PM
Steve, does that holster stay in place well?  I haven't seen one in person to make a decision on buying one...seen 'em advertised everywhere...even on ebay. 
It's a pocket holster.  Not an IWB or anything.  I absolutely love the thing.  I got mine on sale from Midway USA last month for about $15.  It has a somewhat "tacky" exterior that stays in place when you draw the holster.  And it has a tab that helps keep the gun from printing.  I highly recommend it.
Having said that, I am still looking for an IWB holster that will fit my needs.  I ordered one that was extremely well made from the Tennessee Holster Co.  I sent it back.  It was about 3 times thicker than the gun alone!  -Not what I'm looking for.
If you haven't checked it out yet, try www.elsiepea.com 
There's alot of good info there.  -Steve
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on January 27, 2009, 12:30:52 PM
Fobus, love em or hate em...I like mine for the cdp carry.  Same desantis for my lcp, very good...
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: EZRIDN on January 27, 2009, 01:37:27 PM
Doorbell rang a few minutes ago...UPS dropped off my LCP.  Interestingly, email from a couple days ago said could be extra weeks before delivery.  Notes inside the package said they ran short of the finger grip extension for the clips and are working with another supplier, so they sent just the extra clip w/lcp and will send the extension later...did include a cool looking Ruger ball cap as a pacifier. 

Steve & Miker...you made my decision on getting the desantis for in-pocket...thanks.  Fobus look pretty good...again, have not seen one in person.  Internet searches turn up so many holster & clip choices, it's hard to decide. 
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on January 27, 2009, 02:00:51 PM
Some day when I need more room in my safe I will pull the brazillion holsters I don't use out and sell them. 
I have another lcp that I like for pocket carry, prints like a wallet and is enclosed on the barrel end to keep woolly boogers out,  I'll post it when I see it, crss is a tough thing to live with... :D
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: gg on January 27, 2009, 08:57:50 PM
I've read several of the responses on this string and wondered if those of you who actually do carry a gun while riding ever think about or get concerned about being stopped by police and what you would do if they asked you if you were carrying and decided to search you or your ride? Would that not be a situation where you'd be in a world of trouble from which there is no way to talk yourself out of unless you have some sort of permit for concealed carry that is acceptable for wherever it is that you're stopped? Thanks
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Fired00d on January 27, 2009, 09:12:13 PM
I've read several of the responses on this string and wondered if those of you who actually do carry a gun while riding ever think about or get concerned about being stopped by police and what you would do if they asked you if you were carrying and decided to search you or your ride? Would that not be a situation where you'd be in a world of trouble from which there is no way to talk yourself out of unless you have some sort of permit for concealed carry that is acceptable for wherever it is that you're stopped? Thanks
I would think (hope) those that are carrying and speaking of it here are wise enough to have permits to carry when/where necessary. :nixweiss:

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Keats on January 27, 2009, 09:25:01 PM
I would think (hope) those that are carrying and speaking of it here are wise enough to have permits to carry when/where necessary. :nixweiss:

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
If they do not have a permit, they are separating bullets from gun?
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on January 27, 2009, 09:30:28 PM
I've read several of the responses on this string and wondered if those of you who actually do carry a gun while riding ever think about or get concerned about being stopped by police and what you would do if they asked you if you were carrying and decided to search you or your ride? Would that not be a situation where you'd be in a world of trouble from which there is no way to talk yourself out of unless you have some sort of permit for concealed carry that is acceptable for wherever it is that you're stopped? Thanks
Some (many?) states have some form of a two step law - if you do not have a concealed permit, the weapon has to be two steps from being capable of being employed.

Florida used to - haven't worried about it since '93 when I got my first carry permit.  Good for 38 states now.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: RJ749 on January 27, 2009, 10:16:33 PM
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for law-abiding citizens who need to

make an emergency call while in LA,

East Saint Louis, Milwaukee , Memphis , South Chicago, South Dallas, Houston , L..A., Miami , Detroit , New Orleans , Louisville , Atlanta , or Oakland

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Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: EZRIDN on January 27, 2009, 10:53:44 PM
I would think (hope) those that are carrying and speaking of it here are wise enough to have permits to carry when/where necessary. :nixweiss:

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:

True words d00d...

CCW classes in our state are $125 one day classroom format (and range) taught by state patrol certified instructors.  Our state permit gives reciprocity to 16 other states.  This class also meets the training requirements for a Florida non-resident conceal carry perimit which covers 26 other states...just have to apply/pay extra to get that one.  The CCW classes are not an easy slide through deal...you have to earn your permit.  Knowledge, skill, and safety are paramount.  For the price of getting a permit to conceal carry is miniscule compared to getting fined and probable confiscation.  Carrying without a permit simply isn't worth it.     www.neccwtraining.com





Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: 1abastarsmda on January 27, 2009, 11:41:40 PM
The laws are a real tangled mess from one state to another.  Right now, I've applied for my permit here in PA and until I receive it, the gun goes nowhere unless I'm in direct route back and forth the the shooting range.  I won't be taking the gun out of state until I'm completely familiar with each state that I am planning on passing through.  In PA, I'm pretty much surrounded by states with no reciprocity and not real gun friendly states.  From an initial look, my only good way out of the state may be through W Va.  I'm not sure what good it is to even have a weapon available when it's 2 steps away from being usable, but I sure wouldn't want to get caught where I wasn't abiding by the law. 
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: RJ749 on January 28, 2009, 12:47:19 AM
Washington State does have reciprocity but it is with a hodge podge of States that are not linked so it is impossible to legally carry and ride out of State.

Can a non-resident get a permit from one of the States that are in the 33 State group with Florida?
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: 1abastarsmda on January 28, 2009, 12:54:09 AM
Washington State does have reciprocity but it is with a hodge podge of States that are not linked so it is impossible to legally carry and ride out of State.

Can a non-resident get a permit from one of the States that are in the 33 State group with Florida?

Here's the non-resident permit laws that I'm looking at:  http://www.handgunlaw.us/documents/NonResidentPermits.pdf (http://www.handgunlaw.us/documents/NonResidentPermits.pdf)  and here is a handy site for researching gun laws:  http://www.handgunlaw.us/ (http://www.handgunlaw.us/)
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on January 28, 2009, 07:36:34 AM
Washington State does have reciprocity but it is with a hodge podge of States that are not linked so it is impossible to legally carry and ride out of State.

Can a non-resident get a permit from one of the States that are in the 33 State group with Florida?

you can get non-resident Florida carry permits, but I don't think its a full up round like my resident one...

http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/weapons/index.html

Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Fired00d on January 28, 2009, 09:21:27 AM
Utah is another state that offers nonresident permits and allows carry in several states.

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: naitram on January 28, 2009, 09:44:00 AM
i wish we could have a federal standard good in all 50 like a drivers license is
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on January 28, 2009, 09:46:10 AM
That would make some sense, be careful.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: BLM777 on January 28, 2009, 09:56:43 AM
i wish we could have a federal standard good in all 50 like a drivers license is

At one time there was activity to add your idea to HR 218 that covers retired local, state and federal law enforcement personnel with a nationwide cc license.  No political intention here, but it went down in flames after a certain party got control of the legislature.  Obviously it won't be resurrected anytime soon.

For the law enforcement guys that are not aware of HR 218, you may want to contact your previous agency and determine if they are set up with the compliance regulations such as bi-annual qualification and medical statement to forward your paperwork.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on January 28, 2009, 09:59:00 AM
It should be applied to all law abiding citizens in good leagal standing to conceal carry freely in the land of the free...
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: spydglide on January 28, 2009, 10:42:47 AM
Wouldn't that be allowing the Feds too much control over States (rights)?   ::) spyder
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: BLM777 on January 28, 2009, 10:46:21 AM
Wouldn't that be allowing the Feds too much control over States (rights)?   ::) spyder

Might be 2 ways to look at it Spyder.  It may be the only way to minimize the psychotic anti gun crazies in states such as NY and CA.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: spydglide on January 28, 2009, 10:55:23 AM
Might be 2 ways to look at it Spyder.  It may be the only way to minimize the psychotic anti gun crazies in states such as NY and CA.
;D :2vrolijk_21: .......just hate to crack open that door, who knows what'll get out.  :-X har!  spyder
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: naitram on January 28, 2009, 10:57:52 AM
they way i look at it MA has some of the strictest gun laws already, so in this case having a federal standard would be better for me
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on January 28, 2009, 11:01:39 AM
they way i look at it MA has some of the strictest gun laws already, so in this case having a federal standard would be better for me

Or it could ruin it for the rest of us that live in states with realistic gun laws!   :nervous:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: naitram on January 28, 2009, 11:03:18 AM
true but with all the states your stuff is currently honored in wouldnt it be nice if you didnt have to worry about the rest
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Fired00d on January 28, 2009, 11:07:09 AM
true but with all the states your stuff is currently honored in wouldnt it be nice if you didnt have to worry about the rest
Will not cover them all, but if you get a Utah (nonresident) to go along w/your current state of residence permit you will be surprised how many states you can carry in.

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: spydglide on January 28, 2009, 11:10:49 AM
Or it could ruin it for the rest of us that live in states with realistic gun laws!   :nervous:
Exactly.  Travel w/ Concealed Carry license is confusing as reciprocity keeps 'changing', but the States are the ones that have made progress in this 'freedom', and we'd surely lose if we 'nationalized' the process.  I'm just glad to be able to 'legally' carry for the past 15 or so years in my home state and some of the others that I travel thru.....but, not about to go about un-armed in todays society in any case.  Too old to run fast anymore.  ??? :oops: har!  spyder
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on January 28, 2009, 11:18:15 AM
Yup, eating at Ali Rotis in Mattapn, I'd feel better armed than not when I am in Massaholia but I go anyway.
They are not reciprocal to Fla, the gunshime state...
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: FUZZNUTS on January 28, 2009, 11:26:38 AM
I heard if that Florida's concealed weapons permit is recipricol with most states on the east coast, except NJ, AND MA. Is this true?
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: naitram on January 28, 2009, 11:32:38 AM
as far as i know noone plays nice with MA
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on January 28, 2009, 11:39:35 AM
Ma is not reciprocal to anyone else, further back in this thread is the link on reciprocity. 
Reciprocity can and does change...If I have to break the law to protect me n mine there is something really wrong with that...I think anyway...
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: FUZZNUTS on January 28, 2009, 11:39:49 AM
I was considering applying in Fla. Just to be legal when riding back an forth from Pa. On the scoot of course.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: FUZZNUTS on January 28, 2009, 11:42:16 AM
By the way I just picked up a Colt Combat Commander yesterday.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Fired00d on January 28, 2009, 11:44:38 AM
I heard if that Florida's concealed weapons permit is recipricol with most states on the east coast, except NJ, AND MA. Is this true?
Here is a map showing what states Fla has reciprocity with - Florida CC (http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/florida.pdf), and you can check here for other states - US Handgun Laws (http://www.handgunlaw.us/) (link from earlier post). One of the things you have to be aware of when checking those states is some only accept resident permits from some states. So if you have a nonresident permit of a state they do have reciprocity with it doesn't count if you have a nonresident permit from that state.

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on January 28, 2009, 11:46:48 AM
Nice......

I have not bought a new gun in almost 6 months...the road to recovery is not easy....I do not own a 44 mag and need one...in stainless....and  a hk p2000...and....
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: FUZZNUTS on January 28, 2009, 12:06:27 PM
Here is a map showing what states Fla has reciprocity with - Florida CC (http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/florida.pdf), and you can check here for other states - US Handgun Laws (http://www.handgunlaw.us/) (link from earlier post). One of the things you have to be aware of when checking those states is some only accept resident permits from some states. So if you have a nonresident permit of a state they do have reciprocity with it doesn't count if you have a nonresident permit from that state.

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Thanks Dood, been wanting to do this for a while now. :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: FUZZNUTS on January 28, 2009, 12:11:31 PM
Nice......

I have not bought a new gun in almost 6 months...the road to recovery is not easy....I do not own a 44 mag and need one...in stainless....and  a hk p2000...and....


I hear ya. The wife almost fell for the " Hon I made an investment " for the one I bought last week. She dose'nt know about the Commander yet. Maybe she'll believe it's a buy one and get one sale. :huepfenlol2:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on January 28, 2009, 12:49:19 PM
Nice......

I have not bought a new gun in almost 6 months...the road to recovery is not easy....I do not own a 44 mag and need one...in stainless....and  a hk p2000...and....

I've made up for you...  2 AR's and 5 AK kits, plus 2k in rounds (going to sell off a kit or two - I think), also have another stripped lower waiting with my FFL hookup

I will NOT be caught off guard like I was in '94
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: EZRIDN on January 28, 2009, 01:25:29 PM

I hear ya. The wife almost fell for the " Hon I made an investment " for the one I bought last week. She dose'nt know about the Commander yet. Maybe she'll believe it's a buy one and get one sale. :huepfenlol2:

Women almost always fall for the "On Sale" bit...
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: spydglide on January 28, 2009, 01:30:27 PM
By the way I just picked up a Colt Combat Commander yesterday.
My personal favorite.  :2vrolijk_21: spyder
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: FUZZNUTS on January 28, 2009, 01:38:52 PM
I've made up for you...  2 AR's and 5 AK kits, plus 2k in rounds (going to sell off a kit or two - I think), also have another stripped lower waiting with my FFL hookup

I will NOT be caught off guard like I was in '94

Holy sheep chit!! You da man. Was almost tempted to pick up a Bushmaster. Gotta let the wife digest the first two....................
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on January 28, 2009, 01:44:43 PM
Holy sheep chit!! You da man. Was almost tempted to pick up a Bushmaster. Gotta let the wife digest the first two....................
I got an e-mail from the wife...quote "If _ _ _ _ _ gets elected, buy guns", so I did/am.

**Names left out to protect the innocent (me).
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on January 28, 2009, 02:02:47 PM
...freakin overachiever....

I am at idle with the kidults coming back home and clearing all my superbowl bets...

1 AR (S&W with trijicon optics),  1 Benelli M4 autoload 12 ga(with trijicon paralax optics), 1 Kimber 8400 in 300 winmag, scoped Gammo grown up .177 spring fired pellet...

1 357 mag S&W 7 1/2 barrel, 1 Kimber CDP in 45 acp, 1 Ruger LCP 380 auto. with crimson trace dot.

500 rd pitbull mag 12ga, 5k fed fmj ball 10 teflon coated mags with quickpull, 500ish 357, 45, 200ish 380 gold dot..

I need the Kimber 8400 Caprivi in .458 Lott in case of water buffalo getting loose from Lion Country Safari!  
Thats my story and I am sticking with it...And the new 84M is wikit tactikool too!  

No AK?  whats wrong with me....??? Need to keep up with the Major!




Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: spydglide on January 28, 2009, 02:24:05 PM
...freakin overachiever....

I am at idle with the kidults coming back home and clearing all my superbowl bets...

1 AR (S&W with trijicon optics),  1 Benelli M4 autoload 12 ga(with trijicon paralax optics), 1 Kimber 8400 in 300 winmag, scoped Gammo grown up .177 spring fired pellet...

1 357 mag S&W 7 1/2 barrel, 1 Kimber CDP in 45 acp, 1 Ruger LCP 380 auto. with crimson trace dot.

500 rd pitbull mag 12ga, 5k fed fmj ball 10 teflon coated mags with quickpull, 500ish 357, 45, 200ish 380 gold dot..

I need the Kimber 8400 Caprivi in .458 Lott in case of water buffalo getting loose from Lion Country Safari!  
Thats my story and I am sticking with it...And the new 84M is wikit tactikool too!  

No AK?  whats wrong with me....??? Need to keep up with the Major!

Good lord... :o....you make my head spin with all those 'goodies'.  I bet you had all the best matchbook cars as a kid too.  I'm copying this gun list, affixing it to the wall by my 'puter and going to drool over it for who knows how long now.   :-[ :P :-X :o  aaaaaagh.  :drink: spyder



Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Hoist! on January 28, 2009, 02:26:44 PM
...freakin overachiever....

I am at idle with the kidults coming back home and clearing all my superbowl bets...

1 AR (S&W with trijicon optics),  1 Benelli M4 autoload 12 ga(with trijicon paralax optics), 1 Kimber 8400 in 300 winmag, scoped Gammo grown up .177 spring fired pellet...

1 357 mag S&W 7 1/2 barrel, 1 Kimber CDP in 45 acp, 1 Ruger LCP 380 auto. with crimson trace dot.

500 rd pitbull mag 12ga, 5k fed fmj ball 10 teflon coated mags with quickpull, 500ish 357, 45, 200ish 380 gold dot..

I need the Kimber 8400 Caprivi in .458 Lott in case of water buffalo getting loose from Lion Country Safari!  
Thats my story and I am sticking with it...And the new 84M is wikit tactikool too!  

No AK?  whats wrong with me....??? Need to keep up with the Major!






HeHeHe!!! No wonder ya can't afford a new motor! ::) ;D ;D ;D ;)

Hoist! 8)
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on January 28, 2009, 02:31:21 PM
...freakin overachiever....

I am at idle with the kidults coming back home and clearing all my superbowl bets...

1 AR (S&W with trijicon optics),  1 Benelli M4 autoload 12 ga(with trijicon paralax optics), 1 Kimber 8400 in 300 winmag, scoped Gammo grown up .177 spring fired pellet...

1 357 mag S&W 7 1/2 barrel, 1 Kimber CDP in 45 acp, 1 Ruger LCP 380 auto. with crimson trace dot.

500 rd pitbull mag 12ga, 5k fed fmj ball 10 teflon coated mags with quickpull, 500ish 357, 45, 200ish 380 gold dot..

I need the Kimber 8400 Caprivi in .458 Lott in case of water buffalo getting loose from Lion Country Safari!  
Thats my story and I am sticking with it...And the new 84M is wikit tactikool too!  

No AK?  whats wrong with me....??? Need to keep up with the Major!






I got a Rom WASR-10 I will sell ya!
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on January 28, 2009, 02:33:49 PM


those are only my recent acquisitions...leave it at I need a new safe, my current one has exceeded its capacity.  I also still have to go out to AZ and get dad's collection.  Mom just got her new house, so I may need to make an AZ run with a U-haul return trip.

There is a Remington T-Bolt .22 and a Ruger .270 that I am particularly eager to get.  (and a Ruger gold lable o/u)
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: LarryB on January 28, 2009, 03:03:13 PM
I just had to
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: arcticdude on January 28, 2009, 05:41:57 PM
Neal,


Fairyland (Maryland) is another that nobody reciprocates with and getting your permit there is absolutely ridiculous.  You have to have been assaulted and robbed AND there has to be a police report about it.  Only then can you apply!  My brother was robbed at gun point at an ATM, but didn't file a police report, so he can't get a permit.  Most folk just carry anyway- all the criminals do and the people that would be reasonable law abiding citizens.  There has been a national right to carry bill started, but I don't remember who started it.  The NRA site will have it if anybody is interested.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Fired00d on January 28, 2009, 05:48:58 PM
Neal,


Fairyland (Maryland) is another that nobody reciprocates with and getting your permit there is absolutely ridiculous.  You have to have been assaulted and robbed AND there has to be a police report about it.  Only then can you apply!  My brother was robbed at gun point at an ATM, but didn't file a police report, so he can't get a permit.  Most folk just carry anyway- all the criminals do and the people that would be reasonable law abiding citizens.  There has been a national right to carry bill started, but I don't remember who started it.  The NRA site will have it if anybody is interested.
They (MD) are really screwed up. My bro-n-law is a cop in DC, lives in Md, and can't carry concealed... that's ridiculous!!!

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Keats on January 28, 2009, 06:14:56 PM
They (MD) are really screwed up. My bro-n-law is a cop in DC, lives in Md, and can't carry concealed... that's ridiculous!!!

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Voting public needs to oust politicians that will not change it or sue them. In PA local Governments are to issue CP's and the threat of a law suit over a denial changed everything here. No one wanted to defend a decision to "not issue" a CP in the event bodily harm then came about.


 
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: RJ749 on January 28, 2009, 07:13:29 PM
 
Right-to-Carry Reform Bill Heads to Senate Floor in Virginia!
 
Wednesday, January 28, 2009
 
On Wednesday, January 28 the Senate Courts of Justice Committee passed Senate Bill 1035 by a 9-6 vote. This bill is similar to last year’s bill that was passed and ultimately vetoed by Governor Tim Kaine (D).
Sponsored by Senator Emmett Hanger, Jr. (R-24), SB1035 would permit a Right-to-Carry permit holder to carry a concealed firearm into a restaurant, provided they notify a designated employee that they posses a concealed handgun and do not consume any alcohol.

Currently, concealed carry permit holders dining in restaurants that serve alcohol  must leave their firearm at home or locked in their vehicle where it is at risk of being stolen.  Despite passing a background check and possessing a state issued permit to carry, law-abiding permit holders are forced to give up their right to self-defense when dining in establishments that serve alcohol. The need for this legislation is clear.

Please contact your State Senator TODAY and respectfully urge them to support SB1035. Contact information can be found by clicking here.

You may also contact your Senator at their Richmond office at (804) 698-7410 or (804) 698-1470.
 
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: RedDevil on January 28, 2009, 07:21:10 PM
They (MD) are really screwed up. My bro-n-law is a cop in DC, lives in Md, and can't carry concealed... that's ridiculous!!!

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
A DC cop can't carry concealed in MD? That's asinine.  Jeezuz, tell him to move his butt into VA then.

   :devil:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Fired00d on January 28, 2009, 07:36:55 PM

Right-to-Carry Reform Bill Heads to Senate Floor in Virginia!
 
Wednesday, January 28, 2009
 
On Wednesday, January 28 the Senate Courts of Justice Committee passed Senate Bill 1035 by a 9-6 vote. This bill is similar to last year’s bill that was passed and ultimately vetoed by Governor Tim Kaine (D).
Sponsored by Senator Emmett Hanger, Jr. (R-24), SB1035 would permit a Right-to-Carry permit holder to carry a concealed firearm into a restaurant, provided they notify a designated employee that they posses a concealed handgun and do not consume any alcohol.

Currently, concealed carry permit holders dining in restaurants that serve alcohol  must leave their firearm at home or locked in their vehicle where it is at risk of being stolen.  Despite passing a background check and possessing a state issued permit to carry, law-abiding permit holders are forced to give up their right to self-defense when dining in establishments that serve alcohol. The need for this legislation is clear.

Please contact your State Senator TODAY and respectfully urge them to support SB1035. Contact information can be found by clicking here.

You may also contact your Senator at their Richmond office at (804) 698-7410 or (804) 698-1470.
 

Currently concealed carry is prohibited, but open carry is not...

J3. No person shall carry a concealed handgun onto the premises of any restaurant or club as defined in § 4.1-100 for which a license to sell and serve alcoholic beverages for on-premises consumption has been granted by the Virginia Alcoholic Beverage Control Board under Title 4.1 of the Code of Virginia; however, nothing herein shall prohibit any sworn law-enforcement officer from carrying a concealed handgun on the premises of such restaurant or club or any owner or event sponsor or his employees from carrying a concealed handgun while on duty at such restaurant or club if such person has a concealed handgun permit.

See here (http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+18.2-308) for "Code of Virginia" pertaining to this. However you can be asked to leave and not be served if management so requests.

Those of you in Virginia and would like to keep abreast of gun legislation here is a great resource - Virginia Citizens Defense League (http://www.vcdl.org/static/index.html).

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Fired00d on January 28, 2009, 07:43:09 PM
A DC cop can't carry concealed in MD? That's asinine.  Jeezuz, tell him to move his butt into VA then.

   :devil:
It sure is!!! :zstupid:

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on January 28, 2009, 08:01:15 PM
Just don't get in a shootout inside the bar...
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: hard10 on January 28, 2009, 09:33:52 PM
you can get non-resident Florida carry permits, but I don't think its a full up round like my resident one...

http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/weapons/index.html



Just out of curiosity Sean, what did you mean by this?
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: dmnrdn on January 28, 2009, 10:21:04 PM
You might find this document from the NRA handy.  You can bet it is kept up to date.  I give all the details to obtain a CCW/CCH and Reciprocity States
http://www.nraila.org/recmap/Recguide.pdf

You can click on any of the states in this map and it will give that particular states requirements separately
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: springervett on January 28, 2009, 10:24:52 PM
I want to get me one of these.....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4ebtj1jR7c&NR=1
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: dmnrdn on January 28, 2009, 10:32:01 PM
I want to get me one of these.....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4ebtj1jR7c&NR=1

I am thinking about a sidecar and one of these.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOyt6imlgLo

Figured I would have not problems getting someone to ride "Shotgun"  well in this case "Minigun"
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: springervett on January 28, 2009, 10:43:15 PM
Okay....You win....
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: VaEagle on January 28, 2009, 10:59:00 PM
They (MD) are really screwed up. My bro-n-law is a cop in DC, lives in Md, and can't carry concealed... that's ridiculous!!!

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Hey Fired00d,
Have your bro-in-law check out the info on the Law Enforcement Officer's Safety Act of 2004 -He should be able to carry in every state if he complies with the act.
http://www.leaa.org/218/218text.html
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on January 29, 2009, 08:08:07 AM
Just out of curiosity Sean, what did you mean by this?

The Resident Permit has a wider "scope?" then the non-resident one - full reciprocity etc.  The details are on the link I posted a ways back.

Full up round, jargon/slang for a fully charged Arty round
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: icybay on January 29, 2009, 10:31:02 AM
Gun control isn't about guns; it's about control !

In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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In 1929, the  Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
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Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million 'educated' people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control:  56 million.
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It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars. The first year results are now in:

Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent

Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent

Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!

In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent. Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns!

It will never happen here? I bet the Aussies said that too!

While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has change d drastically upward in the past 12 months, since criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed.

There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the ELDERLY. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in successfully ridding Australian society of guns. The Australian experience and the other historical facts above prove it.

You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information.

Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.

Take note my fellow Americans, before it's too late!

The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind him of this history lesson.

With Guns..............We Are 'Citizens'.
Without Them........We Are 'Subjects'..

 
Note: Admiral Yamamoto who crafted the attack on Pearl Harbor had attended Harvard U 1919-1921 & was Naval Attaché to the U. S.. 1925-28. Most of our Navy was destroyed at  Pearl Harbor & our Army had been deprived of funding & was ill prepared to defend the country.

It was reported that when asked why  Japan did not follow up the Pearl Harbor attack with an invasion of the U. S. Mainland, his reply was that he had lived in the U. S. & knew that almost all households had guns.

If you value your freedom, Please spread this anti-gun control message to all your friends!
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: springervett on January 29, 2009, 12:02:28 PM
Great post Icybay. Right on!
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: dlaws01 on January 29, 2009, 12:49:24 PM
Around where I live gun control is defined as how accurate you place your round on it's intended target!   :bananarock:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: spydglide on January 29, 2009, 12:57:19 PM
Around where I live gun control is defined as how accurate you place your round on it's intended target!   :bananarock:
West Tenn. is for me!  :2vrolijk_21: har!  spyder
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: arcticdude on January 29, 2009, 01:46:15 PM
Here's a "vote" put out there by USA Today.  It was in Nov 2007 where they were asking "Does the Second Amendment give individuals the right to bear arms?"  It was 97% believing it did, 2% believing it did not and 1% undecided.


Seems pretty clear to me.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on January 29, 2009, 10:18:27 PM
I've read several of the responses on this string and wondered if those of you who actually do carry a gun while riding ever think about or get concerned about being stopped by police and what you would do if they asked you if you were carrying and decided to search you or your ride? Would that not be a situation where you'd be in a world of trouble from which there is no way to talk yourself out of unless you have some sort of permit for concealed carry that is acceptable for wherever it is that you're stopped? Thanks

You have to know the laws of the states you travel in.  I have a concealed carry permit, good in 35 states.  You even need to know, some states require you to notify the officer you have a loaded gun, others do not.

Ill and WI do not honor any carry permits for example.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on January 30, 2009, 07:45:31 AM
You have to know the laws of the states you travel in.  I have a concealed carry permit, good in 35 states.  You even need to know, some states require you to notify the officer you have a loaded gun, others do not.

Ill and WI do not honor any carry permits for example.
thankfully I have never been pulled over while carrying, but my instructions from an NRA instructor friend were always to roll down the window, both hands on the wheel if in my truck...and tell the officer that you have a loaded gun AND a permit. 

Results from two friends are that it ends up with you on the hood, weapon in an unloaded state and an hour or more fro the stop.  Guess that depends on the cop.

On the MC I think I would do the same - short of rolling the windows down.  Mine are stuck open, and he would have a hard time putting me on the hood.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on January 30, 2009, 07:50:19 AM
If not asked, don't tell............Especially about weapons in the car.

Last time I was detained, by the time the leo got close, the truck was off, windows down and papers at the ready...Never was asked about the weapon(s) so I did not volunteer anything...

I got a warning......A good ol Okeechobee County Sherriff motor officer.

Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on January 30, 2009, 07:52:26 AM
If not asked, don't tell............Especially about weapons in the car.

Last time I was detained, by the time the leo got close, the truck was off, windows down and papers at the ready...Never was asked about the weapon(s) so I did not volunteer anything...

I got a warning......A good ol Okeechobee County Sherriff motor officer.


guess that works unless they have some reason for wanting to get in your face, then that little non-disclosure could end you up on the deck with your hands behind your back wondering what happened
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on January 30, 2009, 08:05:16 AM

Probably cause to search the vehicle would then be reason to disclose excercising my right. 

Every other time I have known why and what my contribution was to being awarded bracelets.

I mostly try and avoid them, especially since they aren't home grown anymore...
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on January 30, 2009, 08:14:49 AM
I mostly try and avoid them, especially since they aren't home grown anymore...

BAHAHAHAHAHA, funny from a Floridian with a Boston Accent!!!   :zroflmao: :zroflmao: :zroflmao: :zroflmao: :zroflmao:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: TN on January 30, 2009, 08:18:13 AM
correct me if I’m wrong but the supreme court decided that individuals have the right to bear arms. No question on your property, and your vehicle is such.  by obtaining a cwp permit you agree to whatever the terms are by signing the agreement. the criminal element isn’t gonna respect the gun laws. :nixweiss: How many places is it legal for the citizen to open carry?




TN


Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: HogBreath on January 30, 2009, 08:27:07 AM
correct me if I’m wrong but the supreme court decided that individuals have the right to bear arms. No question on your property, and your vehicle is such.  by obtaining a cwp permit you agree to whatever the terms are by signing the agreement. the criminal element isn’t gonna respect the gun laws. :nixweiss: How many places is it legal for the citizen to open carry?




TN




I could walk in the bank with a 6 shooter strapped to my side here if I wanted to. But, it would be illegal to hide it, unless I had a permit.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Fired00d on January 30, 2009, 08:30:34 AM
thankfully I have never been pulled over while carrying, but my instructions from an NRA instructor friend were always to roll down the window, both hands on the wheel if in my truck...and tell the officer that you have a loaded gun AND a permit. 

Results from two friends are that it ends up with you on the hood, weapon in an unloaded state and an hour or more fro the stop.  Guess that depends on the cop.

On the MC I think I would do the same - short of rolling the windows down.  Mine are stuck open, and he would have a hard time putting me on the hood.
That is the best way to handle it. In Va. your CWP is tied to your drivers license so if the LEO runs DL it will come back that you also have a CWP. It's better to let them know beforehand, tell them if you are/are not carrying at the time, let them know where it is, and ask them how they would like to proceed.

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on January 30, 2009, 08:35:22 AM
BAHAHAHAHAHA, funny from a Floridian with a Boston Accent!!!   :zroflmao: :zroflmao: :zroflmao: :zroflmao: :zroflmao:

I thought you'd get a kick out of that...And I do not have a wikit haad accent anymowah, 4 yeahs in Norcal and 20 down here has knocked it back a bit. 

Had to, nobody speaks it outside the area...It coms back during visits to the Hub..
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: TN on January 30, 2009, 09:25:21 AM
I could walk in the bank with a 6 shooter strapped to my side here if I wanted to. But, it would be illegal to hide it, unless I had a permit.

to me this is being proactive. bwthdik.

i have been getting some looks when i ride my bike to work with my sawed off strapped to my back.  :orange:
 there are folks that shouldn't own a firearm for obvious reasons. :nervous:


its imminent


TN


Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: spydglide on January 30, 2009, 09:30:05 AM
correct me if I’m wrong but the supreme court decided that individuals have the right to bear arms. No question on your property, and your vehicle is such.  by obtaining a cwp permit you agree to whatever the terms are by signing the agreement. the criminal element isn’t gonna respect the gun laws. :nixweiss: How many places is it legal for the citizen to open carry?




TN



Not so simple.  Example of the way laws vary:  In N.C. it is illegal to have a pistol 'concealed as in the glove box or under the seat, it must be visable to someone walking up to the car and in S.C. it is illegal to have a pistol visable, it must be concealed as under the seat or in the glove box.  spyder
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on January 30, 2009, 09:39:59 AM
That is what guns laws are for: to be arbitrary and capricious in nature in order to get the compliant in trouble.
Just know where you are and the rules that go with the territory... :-\
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Steve G on January 30, 2009, 06:55:55 PM
Have you seen the new Ruger LCR 38 snubbie?  Really cool!  I took my wife to the cop shop and applied for her CCW permit just a couple hours ago.  When I showed her the new Guns & Ammo issue with the new Ruger on the cover. 
I guess her Ruger Security Six 357 is just too heavy to carry around.  (Great excuse for new gun). 
And guess what? -Crimson Trace has a new laser grip for it too!  Perfect for motorcycling!!  :orange: 
Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms - who's bringin' the chips?
 :drink:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: REGGAB on January 30, 2009, 10:29:31 PM
Here's the newest addition to my handgun collection, and the catalyst to purchase more ammunition.   :)
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Plasmaman on January 30, 2009, 11:20:50 PM
Slightly off topic but I would appreciate some input about what scope to select for my newly acquired Bushmaster Predator 20" bbl AR15 223 rifle. If any of you have something similar with scope, what do you like? What to avoid?

Thanks, Plasmaman
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: VaEagle on January 30, 2009, 11:30:11 PM
Hi Plasmaman,
You may want to talk to these people for ideas. They really know their stuff when it comes to quality equipment. Iron Brigade Armory at :
http://www.deathfromafar.com/htm/08_iba_weaponsys_bcs_ar.html
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: REGGAB on January 30, 2009, 11:40:52 PM
Slightly off topic but I would appreciate some input about what scope to select for my newly acquired Bushmaster Predator 20" bbl AR15 223 rifle. If any of you have something similar with scope, what do you like? What to avoid?

Thanks, Plasmaman

Wish I could help, but I'm partial to iron sights.  Scopes are too finicky when trying to get on stand.  One good bump and the weapon is useless until it is boresighted and harmonized.

Even more slightly off topic, noticed you were a Huey driver.  Dustoff?  Guns?  Assault?

Really love that machine.  My employer produces the UH-60 (S-70), and I've long (25 years) subscribed to the theory that when the Army turns in the the last Blackhawk, the flight crew will be picked up by a UH-1.   :)
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on January 31, 2009, 08:40:22 AM
Slightly off topic but I would appreciate some input about what scope to select for my newly acquired Bushmaster Predator 20" bbl AR15 223 rifle. If any of you have something similar with scope, what do you like? What to avoid?

Thanks, Plasmaman

what do you want to do with it?  CCB?  or long range stuff?

CCB is flat out ACOG or the EO Tech (with a 4x magnifier).  ACOG is the balls, good to out to about 100yds.  Longer then that, I can find out from my MSgt at work, he's an AR guru.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on January 31, 2009, 08:41:48 AM
Wish I could help, but I'm partial to iron sights.  Scopes are too finicky when trying to get on stand.  One good bump and the weapon is useless until it is boresighted and harmonized.

Even more slightly off topic, noticed you were a Huey driver.  Dustoff?  Guns?  Assault?

Really love that machine.  My employer produces the UH-60 (S-70), and I've long (25 years) subscribed to the theory that when the Army turns in the the last Blackhawk, the flight crew will be picked up by a UH-1.   :)

Once you do some CCB stuff with an ACOG or EOTech - it might change.  I still have a BUIS on my M4, but there is going to be an ACOG or EO Tech (Aim Point Comp4 is sweet also) on it soon.

Sean
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: BLM777 on January 31, 2009, 09:21:10 AM
Slightly off topic but I would appreciate some input about what scope to select for my newly acquired Bushmaster Predator 20" bbl AR15 223 rifle. If any of you have something similar with scope, what do you like? What to avoid?

Thanks, Plasmaman

Sean's got you on the right track.  I'm partial to the AimPoint 4 and like it better than anything I've used.  Extremely fast target acquisition and operator friendly.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: MJZ on January 31, 2009, 06:17:21 PM
Found a new "gota have now", Kimber Ultra Carry Crimson II. Anyone know of a good reason for me to stop this impulse?
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Plasmaman on January 31, 2009, 06:22:12 PM
Ok guys, you are sending me a lot of info. I am not familiar with the items discussed. What sight does the military use today? Also in answer to the question, I flew Huey D model choppers for first 6 months in Nam and B model Huey gunship for last 6 months. You ain't shot anything untill you shoot 3.75 folding fin rockets. That is a kick in the butt. Guess they feel the same way about all of the new weapons the military has today.

Plasmaman
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Plasmaman on January 31, 2009, 06:29:23 PM
I have done a fair amount of internet searching and am finding that many of the sights, ammo, etc are just simply sold out and on back order. Our few local stores are sold out as well. I purchased the last 100 rounds of 223 in town yesterday.

Plasmaman
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Fired00d on January 31, 2009, 06:43:20 PM
Found a new "gota have now", Kimber Ultra Carry Crimson II. Anyone know of a good reason for me to stop this impulse?
He!! no.. that's one nice looking piece. :2vrolijk_21:

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: REGGAB on January 31, 2009, 06:46:30 PM
Found a new "gota have now", Kimber Ultra Carry Crimson II. Anyone know of a good reason for me to stop this impulse?

None that I can think of, Mark.  Go for it, but allow me to tempt you even further.  I don't own a Sig Sauer........yet!  But when I do, and it will be this year, it will be this:  http://www.sigsauer.com/Products/ShowCatalogProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=61&productid=233 (http://www.sigsauer.com/Products/ShowCatalogProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=61&productid=233) .  I have long admired their "Mastershop" series, but they're akin to our beloved CVO bikes, except they're custom made for the individual customer.  Requires much planning and saving.   :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: MJZ on January 31, 2009, 06:54:35 PM
None that I can think of, Mark.  Go for it, but allow me to tempt you even further.  I don't own a Sig Sauer........yet!  But when I do, and it will be this year, it will be this:  http://www.sigsauer.com/Products/ShowCatalogProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=61&productid=233 (http://www.sigsauer.com/Products/ShowCatalogProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=61&productid=233) .  I have long admired their "Mastershop" series, but they're akin to our beloved CVO bikes, except they're custom made for the individual customer.  Requires much planning and saving.   :2vrolijk_21:

Damn Henry I was looking for you to talk me out this impulse buy, not tempting me to part with more $$$$$$. Stop it, I weak you know. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: REGGAB on January 31, 2009, 06:58:17 PM
Ok guys, you are sending me a lot of info. I am not familiar with the items discussed. What sight does the military use today? Also in answer to the question, I flew Huey D model choppers for first 6 months in Nam and B model Huey gunship for last 6 months. You ain't shot anything untill you shoot 3.75 folding fin rockets. That is a kick in the butt. Guess they feel the same way about all of the new weapons the military has today.

Plasmaman

FFARs are fun!  Great area weapon during gun runs.  I had no idea they were a whole inch larger in diameter back then than they are now.  M230 30mm chain chain with M149 ammunition handling system on the AH-64D Longbow Advanced Attack Helicopter is another awesome area weapon system............although given AAI Corporation's Advanced Boresight Equipment with Longbow adapters, I could turn that thing into a point target weapon in about 30 minutes.  Comes in real handy during deep attacks to conserve ammo when running Robertson Aviation's Combo Pak with an additional 620 pounds of fuel and 300 rounds of 30mm.  http://www.robertsonaviation.com/product/apache.asp (http://www.robertsonaviation.com/product/apache.asp)
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: REGGAB on January 31, 2009, 07:03:23 PM
Damn Henry I was looking for you to talk me out this impulse buy, not tempting me to part with more $$$$$$. Stop it, I weak you know. ;D ;D ;D

hehehehe.  I'm here to help.  You know you need it, Mark.  You really do NEED it.  It is a "must have."  It's gonna eat at you day and night until you get it, so you may as well save yourself from that pain and heartache, hop on the Nanner or Elvis, head to the gun shop and make that baby your's.

Have you left yet?

Are you still at home, Mark?

Go get it!
 :huepfenlol2: :huepfenjump3: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenjump3: :huepfenlol2:

Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: MJZ on January 31, 2009, 07:04:46 PM
Can't hear you, I have my eyes closed. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: REGGAB on January 31, 2009, 07:07:59 PM
Can't hear you, I have my eyes closed. ;D ;D ;D

Hey Mark......(http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=16970.0;attach=101615;image)
 :huepfenlol2: :huepfenjump3: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenjump3: :huepfenlol2:

You know you want it!

Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: REGGAB on January 31, 2009, 07:21:33 PM
hehehehe.........

So, I'm sittin' here lookin' through this thread, and I had the Sig Sauer website called up looking at that Mastershop P220....again.  I hollered for Renea.  First words out her mouth were, "Does it have wheels or a trigger?"

That Girl knows me too well.

Damn, I love her!   :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Plasmaman on January 31, 2009, 08:45:29 PM
HML, you are correct about the size. I made a typo and sure enough got caught. I am attempting to scan in a pic of the old Huey gunship but my computer skills are somewhat lacking. If you see it in a few then it worked, if not then I am drinking scotch and don't care.

Plasmaman
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Plasmaman on January 31, 2009, 08:50:38 PM
43 years and 25 pounds ago. Back when I had hair. Soc Trang Viet Nam (down in the delta). Call sign Thunderbird 3
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on January 31, 2009, 09:09:52 PM
Ok guys, you are sending me a lot of info. I am not familiar with the items discussed. What sight does the military use today? Also in answer to the question, I flew Huey D model choppers for first 6 months in Nam and B model Huey gunship for last 6 months. You ain't shot anything untill you shoot 3.75 folding fin rockets. That is a kick in the butt. Guess they feel the same way about all of the new weapons the military has today.

Plasmaman

I have used the ACOG and the EOTech...but are simply awesome.  The ACOG gives you a bit more distance capability.  I was putting head sized groups with an A4, full body armor, after 10 zeroing rounds - had never fired the rifle before that.  We were doing combat shooting drills, walking, quick shots - prone to kneeling, kneeling to standing for my pre-deployment stuff last year, it is instinctive with the ACOG. 

The EO Tech is better for clearing ops/MOUT stuff, easier to shoot with both eyes open.  If I had to have one, it would be the ACOG.  I intend to put an ACOG on one AR (my A2), and an EO Tech on my M4.

I am contemplating my next AR - either going to be .300 Whisper, 6.8 SPC or the SOCOM or Beowulf 40/50 cal...  Struggling with it, each has benefits and detractors.  I am leaning towards the 6.8 SPC...actually is a great deer round.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on January 31, 2009, 09:14:28 PM
I have done a fair amount of internet searching and am finding that many of the sights, ammo, etc are just simply sold out and on back order. Our few local stores are sold out as well. I purchased the last 100 rounds of 223 in town yesterday.

Plasmaman

most shops are 12-16 weeks out for shipping...  The current administration has done wonders for the gun industry.  My FFL dude is up over 60% from last year.

I have 2 AK M70AB2 receivers coming in from NODAKSPUD- building a pair of Yugo underfolders - my favorite AK.  Building AK's is becoming an obsession for me.  Spent last weekend bending my own flats into receivers for the Romanian G's.  I wish I had found out about this two years ago.  Kits I am pay 250 or better for were $70 two years ago... :wall: :wall: 
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: guitarsam on January 31, 2009, 09:20:29 PM
kel tec 380

gs
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: REGGAB on January 31, 2009, 09:44:07 PM
43 years and 25 pounds ago. Back when I had hair. Soc Trang Viet Nam (down in the delta). Call sign Thunderbird 3


Yep.......recognize that equipment.  Nice stuff.  Those 7 tube pods are great on a Kiowa Warrior.  We carry 19 tube pods on the AH-64.  Always hate setting rockets.  Never could do it with anything other than my fingers.  Dangerous as hell, but I had to make sure those things were gonna fire.  Nothing worse than a rocket that wasn't set properly, then doesn't fire when commanded to do so.   >:(
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on January 31, 2009, 09:48:13 PM
I run these on my Benelli M4 and AR15, the AR is scoped with the accupoint at 100 meters tight moa with good ammo
and the M4 masterkey has the 6.5 amber dot acog for 25 feet of meatgrinding.

Pricey stuff but very tacticool and no batteries required!


http://www.trijicon.com/Trijicon.cfm?CFID=1948490&CFTOKEN=10915552
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: REGGAB on February 01, 2009, 10:21:24 PM
Here's the newest addition to my handgun collection, and the catalyst to purchase more ammunition.   :)
(http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=16970.0;attach=101523;image)


Shot this thing as soon as I picked it up on Friday, then again yesterday morning.  What a powerhouse.  My hand was buzzing for hours after just 50 rounds each day.  Definitely not the type of gun to shoot for the hell of it, but it is small, therefore, it is easy to conceal, and packs one hell of a huge punch.  Very pleased.  Was a toss-up between this one and a Glock 39 (.45 G.A.P.)  Ammo for that thing is very high, and it doesn't have the range of .45 Auto, so I went with the 36.

Next..........Sig Sauer P220 Mastershop pistol.

Motorcycles and pistols.  It's a friggin' virus!  And I got it BAD!   :huepfenlol2: :huepfenjump3: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenjump3: :huepfenlol2:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: arcticdude on February 02, 2009, 11:10:13 PM
Mark,

The Ultra's are great pistols.  I have a Covert.  It shoots great.  Prepare for some forearm abuse if you shoot it alot.  But that will be the same for any of the compact 45's.  If you put 200 rounds a week through one, you'll see what I mean.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: REGGAB on February 02, 2009, 11:18:45 PM
Mark,

The Ultra's are great pistols.  I have a Covert.  It shoots great.  Prepare for some forearm abuse if you shoot it alot.  But that will be the same for any of the compact 45's.  If you put 200 rounds a week through one, you'll see what I mean.
::)  :2vrolijk_21:

Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: spydglide on February 03, 2009, 08:18:05 AM
Mark,

The Ultra's are great pistols.  I have a Covert.  It shoots great.  Prepare for some forearm abuse if you shoot it alot.  But that will be the same for any of the compact 45's.  If you put 200 rounds a week through one, you'll see what I mean.
'Lightweight' carry-pistols are great for 'carrying'.   :) har!  spyder
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Guilty on February 03, 2009, 10:41:19 AM
Here's 2 new pistols that I picked up recently. Both HK's are very solid shooters, cleaning and maintenance is a breeze. Even though it is the larger of the two, as a daily carry pistol I prefer the HK45 and I just wear a Pendleton board shirt to assist with concealability. I expect that during the warmer months I won't be carrying the HK45 due to it's size. It is nice to have a few pistols to choose from for daily carry. Better to have a gun and not need it than to need a gun and not have it.

(http://www.ccpos.com/hk45/P1010030-2.jpg)
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on February 03, 2009, 11:04:34 AM
Ooooooo....Nifty...
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: REGGAB on February 03, 2009, 10:17:18 PM
Here's 2 new pistols that I picked up recently. Both HK's are very solid shooters, cleaning and maintenance is a breeze. Even though it is the larger of the two, as a daily carry pistol I prefer the HK45 and I just wear a Pendleton board shirt to assist with concealability. I expect that during the warmer months I won't be carrying the HK45 due to it's size. It is nice to have a few pistols to choose from for daily carry. Better to have a gun and not need it than to need a gun and not have it.

(http://www.ccpos.com/hk45/P1010030-2.jpg)

VERY NICE!  I have an H&K USP chambered in 40 S&W.  Love it.  It is a bit large for CC, but it is alot of fun during competitive shooting.  The second worst thing that could happen to a person is killing someone, but the absolute worst thing that could ever happen to a person is having to kill someone and not having the means to do so.   ;)
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Plasmaman on February 04, 2009, 08:51:43 AM
No need for a front security gate, just get one of these.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbcZCD05fO0

Plasmaman
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Steve G on February 04, 2009, 12:27:53 PM
No need for a front security gate, just get one of these.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbcZCD05fO0

Plasmaman
I can't find one of these at my local gun dealer, but they DO look pretty cool.  I'm wondering if I could pull it behind my bike on a small trailer.  -Perfect for the Sturgis Rally! :huepfenjump3:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on February 04, 2009, 02:40:34 PM
thankfully I have never been pulled over while carrying, but my instructions from an NRA instructor friend were always to roll down the window, both hands on the wheel if in my truck...and tell the officer that you have a loaded gun AND a permit. 

Results from two friends are that it ends up with you on the hood, weapon in an unloaded state and an hour or more fro the stop.  Guess that depends on the cop.

On the MC I think I would do the same - short of rolling the windows down.  Mine are stuck open, and he would have a hard time putting me on the hood.
I have been stopped once carrying in the car.  I let the officer know, as was required by law of the state. It was a short painless stop.  Took no longer than any other stop, and officer let me out of the speeding ticket.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on February 04, 2009, 02:55:16 PM
If not asked, don't tell............Especially about weapons in the car.
Last time I was detained, by the time the leo got close, the truck was off, windows down and papers at the ready...Never was asked about the weapon(s) so I did not volunteer anything...

I got a warning......A good ol Okeechobee County Sherriff motor officer.


That is against the law in many states. 
For example it is the law you inform the officer you have a loaded weapon in Lousiana, SC, NC, TX.  Failure to do so can result in the loss of your permit.

TN, AL, GA, MS do not require you to notify the officer.

If your going to carry I feel it is a must that you know the laws of the states you are in.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on February 04, 2009, 02:56:33 PM
Found a new "gota have now", Kimber Ultra Carry Crimson II. Anyone know of a good reason for me to stop this impulse?

I have an Kimber Ultra CDP II, it is my favorite hand gun.

I say get it.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: spydglide on February 04, 2009, 03:09:32 PM
That is against the law in many states. 
For example it is the law you inform the officer you have a loaded weapon in Lousiana, SC, NC, TX.  Failure to do so can result in the loss of your permit.

TN, AL, GA, MS do not require you to notify the officer.

If your going to carry I feel it is a must that you know the laws of the states you are in.
How 'bout Florida or Virginia?  :nixweiss: spyder
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Fired00d on February 04, 2009, 03:19:56 PM
How 'bout Florida or Virginia?  :nixweiss: spyder
Can't say if it's the law to advise, but I do know that when they run your Va. DL it will show that you have CC permit. I'd much rather tell them ahead of time (and this was actually taught in one of my classes to receive a CC permit) then have them draw down on me to find out if/where I'm carrying. I've looked at the business end of a pistol before, and no matter what caliber it is when it's pointed at you it looks live a stove pipe w/a handle. :shocked2:

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on February 04, 2009, 05:22:58 PM
Saw they shot down the VA bar thing...
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: spydglide on February 04, 2009, 05:24:27 PM
Can't say if it's the law to advise, but I do know that when they run your Va. DL it will show that you have CC permit. I'd much rather tell them ahead of time (and this was actually taught in one of my classes to receive a CC permit) then have them draw down on me to find out if/where I'm carrying. I've looked at the business end of a pistol before, and no matter what caliber it is when it's pointed at you it looks live a stove pipe w/a handle. :shocked2:

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
It would be interesting to know if out of State licenses tell them that you have a CCP also.  I usually do follow the rules (in state), but unsure what to do out of state as the rules change so frequently it's hard to 'keep up'.  Those seat-belt/DUI stops are usually so quick that I just hand them my license and move on as soon as they let me.  :-X har!  spyder
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Fired00d on February 04, 2009, 05:51:52 PM
Saw they shot down the VA bar thing...
Chit!!! >:( I thought I'd heard this morning that it passed through the house.

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Fired00d on February 04, 2009, 05:53:40 PM
It would be interesting to know if out of State licenses tell them that you have a CCP also.  I usually do follow the rules (in state), but unsure what to do out of state as the rules change so frequently it's hard to 'keep up'.  Those seat-belt/DUI stops are usually so quick that I just hand them my license and move on as soon as they let me.  :-X har!  spyder
I would check your state laws if it's not associated with it in your home state then more then likely it will not be in Va. It's a state mandate here that ties the two together.

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Fired00d on February 04, 2009, 06:12:33 PM
Chit!!! >:( I thought I'd heard this morning that it passed through the house.
....
It passed through the Senate (SB1035 (http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?091+sum+SB1035)) yesterday (24-Y 16-N) and is still in the House (HB1821 (http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?091+sum+HB1821)). Here is a good link to keep abreast of legislation concerning gun laws in Va - VCDL 2009 Legislation Tracking Tool (http://www.vcdl.org/static/2009leg.html).

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: dlaws01 on February 04, 2009, 06:53:20 PM
Check your concealled carry permit and if it has the same number as your state driver's license number it is safe to assume that it will show up when they run your driver's license through the system regardless of which state you are in.  That is how it works in TN.  It is only a suggestion to inform a law inforcement officer about your carry permit and not a requirement.  Personally, the only time I offered the information without being asked alarmed the cop who stopped me and seemed to make him and me nervous.  Now I only say so if asked.  Haven't been asked though.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: spydglide on February 04, 2009, 08:02:02 PM
Check your concealled carry permit and if it has the same number as your state driver's license number it is safe to assume that it will show up when they run your driver's license through the system regardless of which state you are in.  That is how it works in TN.  It is only a suggestion to inform a law inforcement officer about your carry permit and not a requirement.  Personally, the only time I offered the information without being asked alarmed the cop who stopped me and seemed to make him and me nervous.  Now I only say so if asked.  Haven't been asked though.
It IS a requirement in NC and failure to inform a LEO when approached is a misdemeanor w/ $100 fine for 1st offense w/ 2nd offense becoming more severe and loss of CCP.  Where it becomes less clear is in reciprocal states as the rules seem to change and it's hard to 'keep up'.  Big differences between various states in how you must act while carrying concealed.   spyder
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Steve G on February 04, 2009, 08:03:52 PM
Yes I carry.
-About 20 lbs. of adipose tissue that I'm trying to work off.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: MJZ on February 04, 2009, 09:23:04 PM
I have an Kimber Ultra CDP II, it is my favorite hand gun.

I say get it.

Never heard a good reason not to get it so I ordered one today. I hate that I had to order it but the gun shop I use didn't the one I wanted.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on February 05, 2009, 08:20:03 AM
You will br happy Mark, mnatch grade barrel, shoot well and look good..I did carry the same in a fobus holster unitl I bought the Ruger LCP in 380..It is an easier carry down here carrying in the fron pocket of shorts..But I love the kimber...
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: spydglide on February 05, 2009, 09:31:09 AM
You will br happy Mark, mnatch grade barrel, shoot well and look good..I did carry the same in a fobus holster unitl I bought the Ruger LCP in 380..It is an easier carry down here carrying in the fron pocket of shorts..But I love the kimber...
Kimber advertises absolutely reliability on that 3" 1911.  Have you ever had any jams or problems with yours?  spyder
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on February 05, 2009, 09:39:40 AM
None. Any ftf is caused by limp wristing...operator error..
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Guilty on February 05, 2009, 10:24:45 AM
The Kimber Ultra CDPII is a great conceal carry pistol. It is lightweight, easy to conceal, a great shooter and a really nice looking pistol IMO...and the obligatory picture along with my Kimber Pro CDPII:

(http://www.ccpos.com/images-8/kimber-cdp-pro-and-cdp-ultra-1a.jpg)
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on February 05, 2009, 01:40:35 PM
It would be interesting to know if out of State licenses tell them that you have a CCP also.  I usually do follow the rules (in state), but unsure what to do out of state as the rules change so frequently it's hard to 'keep up'.  Those seat-belt/DUI stops are usually so quick that I just hand them my license and move on as soon as they let me.  :-X har!  spyder

Here is a link that helps you find out what stats honor your permit.  It will also let you know if that state requires you to inform the officer..

http://www.usacarry.com/concealed_carry_permit_information.html (http://www.usacarry.com/concealed_carry_permit_information.html)

USA Carry is one of many sites that has good info on carrying

Here is another site with good info on it.

http://www.carryconcealed.net/ (http://www.carryconcealed.net/)
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on February 05, 2009, 01:42:07 PM
Kimber advertises absolutely reliability on that 3" 1911.  Have you ever had any jams or problems with yours?  spyder

I have had zero issues with my Kimber Ultra CDP II. 

Just love the gun
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on February 05, 2009, 01:42:57 PM
The Kimber Ultra CDPII is a great conceal carry pistol. It is lightweight, easy to conceal, a great shooter and a really nice looking pistol IMO...and the obligatory picture along with my Kimber Pro CDPII:

(http://www.ccpos.com/images-8/kimber-cdp-pro-and-cdp-ultra-1a.jpg)

I want the full size CDP to go with my Ultra
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: porthole on February 05, 2009, 11:10:01 PM
By the way I just picked up a Colt Combat Commander yesterday.

My personal favorite.  :2vrolijk_21: spyder


Mine too  :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: cuthbertss on February 06, 2009, 01:06:10 AM
A DC cop can't carry concealed in MD? That's asinine.  Jeezuz, tell him to move his butt into VA then.

   :devil:

I am curious how Maryland Law supercedes Federal Law which in effect gives LEOs the right to carry in every state
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Coolbreeze on February 06, 2009, 03:28:07 PM
I have had zero issues with my Kimber Ultra CDP II. 

Just love the gun

I had zeroing issues too, but I adjusted the rear sight and my stance a little, and it zeroed right in....   Then I put a crimson trace on it and things got even better!
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on February 06, 2009, 05:46:15 PM
I had zeroing issues too, but I adjusted the rear sight and my stance a little, and it zeroed right in....   Then I put a crimson trace on it and things got even better!

I ment that I have had no issues.  Was sighted perfect from the factory :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on February 06, 2009, 05:54:00 PM
Mine three..balls on. Flawless...I bushing had stripped on the grip...thats all...
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: REGGAB on February 06, 2009, 07:17:10 PM
Got stopped today.  78/60.  Credentials in Tour Pak.........along with Glock 36.  Informed officer.  He questioned me as why I am carrying a handgun.  My response, "same reason you are, and because I can."  Got a ticket for speeding.
Don't really appreciate being questioned by law enforcement about my choice to travel armed when properly licensed to do so.  That like asking me why I am an AMERICAN.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: spydglide on February 06, 2009, 07:28:13 PM
Got stopped today.  78/60.  Credentials in Tour Pak.........along with Glock 36.  Informed officer.  He questioned me as why I am carrying a handgun.  My response, "same reason you are, and because I can."  Got a ticket for speeding.
Don't really appreciate being questioned by law enforcement about my choice to travel armed when properly licensed to do so.  That like asking me why I am an AMERICAN.
I sometimes wonder when a question like that is asked .... just what response would make the officer happy?  It's as if you're a suspect for exercising your right to arm yourself.  Sorry 'bout the ticket.   :-[ spyder
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on February 06, 2009, 07:30:51 PM
I sometimes wonder when a question like that is asked .... just what response would make the officer happy?  It's as if you're a suspect for exercising your right to arm yourself.  Sorry 'bout the ticket.   :-[ spyder

'cause you aint doing your job and I have to do it for myself?   

That might work...but I doubt it.

Cause I'm gonna go hold up a Dunkin Donuts?

Doubt that would go over big.

Hell, I'm tapped past those two witty retorts...
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: dlaws01 on February 06, 2009, 09:26:54 PM
Got stopped today.  78/60.  Credentials in Tour Pak.........along with Glock 36.  Informed officer.  He questioned me as why I am carrying a handgun.  My response, "same reason you are, and because I can."  Got a ticket for speeding.
Don't really appreciate being questioned by law enforcement about my choice to travel armed when properly licensed to do so.  That like asking me why I am an AMERICAN.




That's exactly why I don't inform unless I'm asked.  Similar thing happened to me but without the ticket, just got a funny look.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on February 07, 2009, 09:11:57 AM
Got stopped today.  78/60.  Credentials in Tour Pak.........along with Glock 36.  Informed officer.  He questioned me as why I am carrying a handgun.  My response, "same reason you are, and because I can."  Got a ticket for speeding.
Don't really appreciate being questioned by law enforcement about my choice to travel armed when properly licensed to do so.  That like asking me why I am an AMERICAN.

Got stopped in the cage in Lousiana last month, 78 in a 55.  LA is a you must inform the officer state.  I gave him my DL and CCW and then he asked for the registration and insurance, so I said its in the glove box with my loaded pistol. 

The young officer, 26 or so was real good about it.  He saw my USN Ret tags, thanked me for my service, and let me go with a warning....
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: RJ749 on February 07, 2009, 11:35:08 AM
Got stopped in the cage in Lousiana last month, 78 in a 55.  LA is a you must inform the officer state.  I gave him my DL and CCW and then he asked for the registration and insurance, so I said its in the glove box with my loaded pistol. 

The young officer, 26 or so was real good about it.  He saw my USN Ret tags, thanked me for my service, and let me go with a warning....

Now that is a good ending :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: REGGAB on February 07, 2009, 05:22:02 PM
Got stopped in the cage in Lousiana last month, 78 in a 55.  LA is a you must inform the officer state.  I gave him my DL and CCW and then he asked for the registration and insurance, so I said its in the glove box with my loaded pistol. 

The young officer, 26 or so was real good about it.  He saw my USN Ret tags, thanked me for my service, and let me go with a warning....

Don't get much of that in a military town, since most of the populace is either active duty.........and in Huntsville, retired military.  Heck, better than half the police force is retired military, so to them.........I'm just another blue ID card holder.

I was due anyway........Been about three years.   ;)
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on February 07, 2009, 07:59:14 PM
Don't get much of that in a military town, since most of the populace is either active duty.........and in Huntsville, retired military.  Heck, better than half the police force is retired military, so to them.........I'm just another blue ID card holder.

I was due anyway........Been about three years.   ;)

In Jacksonville, it will GET you a ticket...
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on February 08, 2009, 11:49:20 AM
In Jacksonville, it will GET you a ticket...

That sure is true of Jacksonville FL....

In a Navy town you never want the LEO to know you have anything to do with the Military....
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on February 08, 2009, 12:09:16 PM
That sure is true of Jacksonville FL....

In a Navy town you never want the LEO to know you have anything to do with the Military....

In J Vegas NC the PMO folks ride with the local cops...
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Plasmaman on February 08, 2009, 09:30:56 PM
I just can't find a suitable place on the Road King for this.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: REGGAB on February 08, 2009, 09:43:30 PM
I just can't find a suitable place on the Road King for this.

I can, but you'll lose your left saddlebag.   :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: arcticdude on February 09, 2009, 11:53:54 AM
The hell with the left saddlebag--  mount that puppy right over the tank!   Your aim will be better, less colateral that way!  You'll also have BOTH bags for ammo!
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Steve G on February 09, 2009, 04:16:11 PM
I just can't find a suitable place on the Road King for this.
You need the new '09 Road King.  It has a higher GVW rating.   :pepper:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Steve G on February 10, 2009, 02:37:50 PM
-Just got a package delivered from UPS.  My Pea shooter finally arrived!  (LCP shooter that is).
It took only a week and a day from the time I sent it off. 
-Got the Ruger hat and extra mag.  And as reported the finger extentions are back ordered.  I bought my gun the 4th of December in the year of our Lord 2000 and eight. 
Anyway, now all I need to do is shoot the thing to make sure it's reliable.  And, of course, sight in the laser.  7 yards should be about right.   :huepfenjump3:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Screamin'Eagle~Sweetie on February 10, 2009, 05:42:15 PM
i carry... nothing but the best. COACH.
You men would all be wise to take note. Few of these and you might be as lucky as my husband (who I bought the new FXTSSE3 for this Christmas!)
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: arcticdude on February 10, 2009, 05:45:03 PM
You go girl!!!!!!!!!!!!   :huepfenjump3: :huepfenlol2:
Title: Re: Do you carry? Wolf ammo sucks
Post by: Plasmaman on February 13, 2009, 07:14:24 PM
Wolf Ammo almost got me hurt. Finally got the new AR-15 together with EO-Tech 552 sight and went to sight it in. Bore sighted the rifle then fired 3 rounds. Bore sight was close. Fired 3 more. Had 2 of the 6 jam but cleared ok. Loaded 3 more and fired 2. The third did not fire. Pulled bolt back, clip, chamber were empty. I saw a glint of something shinny in the chamber so decided to pull the pin and break open the rifle. Removed bolt and saw a bullet stuck in the barrel. Had I loaded 4 instead of three I might be in the "Rider Down" group. I believe the head space was incorrect on the round and the firing pin never popped the primer. The bullet stuck in the entrance of the bore and the bolt pulled the case off of the bullet. It was the unburned powder that caught my eye. NO MORE WOLF 223 AMMO IN MY RIFLE. If you use it, be careful. I then fired some of the Korean ammo with good results. Hard to find USA 223 ammo locally.

Plasmaman
Title: Re: Do you carry? Wolf ammo sucks
Post by: REGGAB on February 13, 2009, 07:19:06 PM
Wolf Ammo almost got me hurt. Finally got the new AR-15 together with EO-Tech 552 sight and went to sight it in. Bore sighted the rifle then fired 3 rounds. Bore sight was close. Fired 3 more. Had 2 of the 6 jam but cleared ok. Loaded 3 more and fired 2. The third did not fire. Pulled bolt back, clip, chamber were empty. I saw a glint of something shinny in the chamber so decided to pull the pin and break open the rifle. Removed bolt and saw a bullet stuck in the barrel. Had I loaded 4 instead of three I might be in the "Rider Down" group. I believe the head space was incorrect on the round and the firing pin never popped the primer. The bullet stuck in the entrance of the bore and the bolt pulled the case off of the bullet. It was the unburned powder that caught my eye. NO MORE WOLF 223 AMMO IN MY RIFLE. If you use it, be careful. I then fired some of the Korean ammo with good results. Hard to find USA 223 ammo locally.

Plasmaman

And here I am lookin' for a Bulgarian SLR in 7.62X39mm.  Was gonna use Wolf........don't know of any other ammo.  Is there?
Title: Re: Do you carry? Wolf ammo sucks
Post by: Sean M Cary on February 13, 2009, 07:37:13 PM
Delton the folks I get my uppers from - void the warranty for using Wolf...

I will not use steel case ammo in my AR's.

Dillon RL550B...sounds like your next investment.

Have never heard of a round not being head-spaced correctly.

Wolf Ammo almost got me hurt. Finally got the new AR-15 together with EO-Tech 552 sight and went to sight it in. Bore sighted the rifle then fired 3 rounds. Bore sight was close. Fired 3 more. Had 2 of the 6 jam but cleared ok. Loaded 3 more and fired 2. The third did not fire. Pulled bolt back, clip, chamber were empty. I saw a glint of something shinny in the chamber so decided to pull the pin and break open the rifle. Removed bolt and saw a bullet stuck in the barrel. Had I loaded 4 instead of three I might be in the "Rider Down" group. I believe the head space was incorrect on the round and the firing pin never popped the primer. The bullet stuck in the entrance of the bore and the bolt pulled the case off of the bullet. It was the unburned powder that caught my eye. NO MORE WOLF 223 AMMO IN MY RIFLE. If you use it, be careful. I then fired some of the Korean ammo with good results. Hard to find USA 223 ammo locally.

Plasmaman
Title: Re: Do you carry? Wolf ammo sucks
Post by: Sean M Cary on February 13, 2009, 07:37:50 PM
And here I am lookin' for a Bulgarian SLR in 7.62X39mm.  Was gonna use Wolf........don't know of any other ammo.  Is there?
Black Hills Reman...from Cabela's.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on February 13, 2009, 07:47:09 PM
Wolf bad....steel coating makes a yucky mess outta everything
...NFW would I use it...maybe the ak's ill eat it..
Title: Re: Do you carry? Wolf ammo sucks
Post by: REGGAB on February 13, 2009, 07:56:19 PM
Black Hills Reman...from Cabela's.

Roger that.  Thank you, Sir!   :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on February 13, 2009, 08:52:58 PM
Wolf bad....steel coating makes a yucky mess outta everything
...NFW would I use it...maybe the ak's ill eat it..

yep, most of the stuff I have is steel for the AK's...

Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: REGGAB on February 13, 2009, 08:58:02 PM
yep, most of the stuff I have is steel for the AK's...



Sean,  is the remanufactured Black Hills ammo of the steel case variety?
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on February 13, 2009, 09:01:08 PM
Sean,  is the remanufactured Black Hills ammo of the steel case variety?

negative...  all brass

only steel I have is for the AK's, they chomp it w/o issue

building a Rom WASR-10 right now, bent the receiver myself, going to do all plastic and thinking about making it a side folder - even got an insert for my jig to bend the thicker Yugo receivers (scored two Yugo M70AB2 underfolder kits)

AK's are addicting.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Plasmaman on February 13, 2009, 09:03:29 PM
Flordia, we did not accurately measure the case of the round against the others but just by eye, it appeared that the round was short which would have allowed it to move forward and the firing pin not hit it properly. Just an idea, bottom line is I was lucky and will only use the Wolf in my SKS. Apparently whatever rounds the VC had worked just fine shooting at my chopper with the SKS. Glad they did not learn how to lead and we kept getting shot in the ass end.

Plasmaman
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: REGGAB on February 13, 2009, 09:19:18 PM
negative...  all brass

only steel I have is for the AK's, they chomp it w/o issue

building a Rom WASR-10 right now, bent the receiver myself, going to do all plastic and thinking about making it a side folder - even got an insert for my jig to bend the thicker Yugo receivers (scored two Yugo M70AB2 underfolder kits)

AK's are addicting.

Concur.  The Bulgarian SLR I'm after has a folding stock.  Made by the Arsenal of Bulgaria.  Would like one with a milled receiver, but fear that may be out of reach monetarily.  I've seen those Romanian WASR-10 weapons.  CAI variety.  How do you feel about those, Sean?  They're relatively inexpensive.......about $400 with wood stocks.  Would one serve the purpose equally as well as a SLR..........or should I hold out for an SLR?
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on February 14, 2009, 08:40:45 AM
Concur.  The Bulgarian SLR I'm after has a folding stock.  Made by the Arsenal of Bulgaria.  Would like one with a milled receiver, but fear that may be out of reach monetarily.  I've seen those Romanian WASR-10 weapons.  CAI variety.  How do you feel about those, Sean?  They're relatively inexpensive.......about $400 with wood stocks.  Would one serve the purpose equally as well as a SLR..........or should I hold out for an SLR?
WASR-10's were the rejects from the military runs, so they are cheaper out of spec guns from the ROMAK factory...  Many of them were sportorized to meet the 94 ban req - no bayonet lug, non flash suppressor capable ect.  The one I am building has no threads for a flash suppressor, but you can buy a tap to thread them.

I am using it as a test gun for my builds, I have a few other kits, Romanian G's and a few Yugo U/F's.  Building the AR's got me started on this, it is a wicked slippery slope.  The Rom G's were de-milled, many new (I have three of them - appear to be unfired).

$400 is a great price all that said, if you can get an AK for that, would do so...

Also - if you want a GOOD AK - look for a PreBan Norinko, or a Yugo - M70AB2 being my personal favorite of all AK's.  Check Gun Broker.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on February 14, 2009, 08:45:19 AM
Flordia, we did not accurately measure the case of the round against the others but just by eye, it appeared that the round was short which would have allowed it to move forward and the firing pin not hit it properly. Just an idea, bottom line is I was lucky and will only use the Wolf in my SKS. Apparently whatever rounds the VC had worked just fine shooting at my chopper with the SKS. Glad they did not learn how to lead and we kept getting shot in the ass end.

Plasmaman

OAL - overall length of a round is a factor in pistols, and a super long round or a super short round can cause issues...

Headspace is set with gauges and is relative to the size of the chamber and the bolt closing against it - as in you take a NOGO gauge and it should not close, or allow the bolt to go all the way home or your chamber size is too big and can have blowback - it ensures you have proper lock up of the bolt into the chamber.

I am betting it was a light load - crappy QA at the factory and was short loaded with powder. 

Bottom line, glad you didn't get hurt!
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: porthole on February 14, 2009, 05:20:22 PM
Cars - trucks - boats - guns

No replacement for displacement

(http://www.vincelewis.net/50magnum/600-gun-1.JPG)

(http://www.vincelewis.net/50magnum/600-gun-5.JPG)
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: porthole on February 14, 2009, 05:22:40 PM
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Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: porthole on February 14, 2009, 05:23:24 PM
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Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Bikin' Bob on February 14, 2009, 05:42:22 PM
Geez, Duane, I think my whole Baretta 92, 9mm would fit in one of your cartridge holes.

Bikin' Bob
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: spydglide on February 14, 2009, 06:24:26 PM
Hey porthole, whatcha using for a 'backstop'?  har!  spyder
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: porthole on February 15, 2009, 01:35:08 AM
Ain't mine - that thing would knock me on my ass

http://www.vincelewis.net/60magnum.html
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Fed68 on February 15, 2009, 01:21:31 PM




Location: Huntsville
Member since: 05/31/07

CVO1: 2006 FLHTCUSE
CVO2: 2002 FLHR

 
    Re: Do you carry? Wolf ammo sucks
« Reply #1013 on: February 13, 2009, 07:19:06 PM » Quote 

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Quote from: Plasmaman on February 13, 2009, 07:14:24 PM
Wolf Ammo almost got me hurt. Finally got the new AR-15 together with EO-Tech 552 sight and went to sight it in. Bore sighted the rifle then fired 3 rounds. Bore sight was close. Fired 3 more. Had 2 of the 6 jam but cleared ok. Loaded 3 more and fired 2. The third did not fire. Pulled bolt back, clip, chamber were empty. I saw a glint of something shinny in the chamber so decided to pull the pin and break open the rifle. Removed bolt and saw a bullet stuck in the barrel. Had I loaded 4 instead of three I might be in the "Rider Down" group. I believe the head space was incorrect on the round and the firing pin never popped the primer. The bullet stuck in the entrance of the bore and the bolt pulled the case off of the bullet. It was the unburned powder that caught my eye. NO MORE WOLF 223 AMMO IN MY RIFLE. If you use it, be careful. I then fired some of the Korean ammo with good results. Hard to find USA 223 ammo locally.

Plasmaman


And here I am lookin' for a Bulgarian SLR in 7.62X39mm.  Was gonna use Wolf........don't know of any other ammo.  Is there?

I don't use other ammo through my AR except American made.  From what I've been told the other manufactures from other countries (ie Russian Wolf ammo) does not have the same standards that American manufactures are made to go by.  I'm especially afraid that even though it may say noncorrosive powder on the box, that may actually be corrosive powder.  I don't want to run that through the AR because of the gas tube.  I may just be paranoid but I'll spend the extra cash for American ammo.  I spend too much money on my guns to worry about that stuff.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: REGGAB on February 15, 2009, 06:25:02 PM



Location: Huntsville
Member since: 05/31/07

CVO1: 2006 FLHTCUSE
CVO2: 2002 FLHR

 
    Re: Do you carry? Wolf ammo sucks
« Reply #1013 on: February 13, 2009, 07:19:06 PM » Quote 

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Quote from: Plasmaman on February 13, 2009, 07:14:24 PM
Wolf Ammo almost got me hurt. Finally got the new AR-15 together with EO-Tech 552 sight and went to sight it in. Bore sighted the rifle then fired 3 rounds. Bore sight was close. Fired 3 more. Had 2 of the 6 jam but cleared ok. Loaded 3 more and fired 2. The third did not fire. Pulled bolt back, clip, chamber were empty. I saw a glint of something shinny in the chamber so decided to pull the pin and break open the rifle. Removed bolt and saw a bullet stuck in the barrel. Had I loaded 4 instead of three I might be in the "Rider Down" group. I believe the head space was incorrect on the round and the firing pin never popped the primer. The bullet stuck in the entrance of the bore and the bolt pulled the case off of the bullet. It was the unburned powder that caught my eye. NO MORE WOLF 223 AMMO IN MY RIFLE. If you use it, be careful. I then fired some of the Korean ammo with good results. Hard to find USA 223 ammo locally.

Plasmaman


And here I am lookin' for a Bulgarian SLR in 7.62X39mm.  Was gonna use Wolf........don't know of any other ammo.  Is there?

I don't use other ammo through my AR except American made.  From what I've been told the other manufactures from other countries (ie Russian Wolf ammo) does not have the same standards that American manufactures are made to go by.  I'm especially afraid that even though it may say noncorrosive powder on the box, that may actually be corrosive powder.  I don't want to run that through the AR because of the gas tube.  I may just be paranoid but I'll spend the extra cash for American ammo.  I spend too much money on my guns to worry about that stuff.

Concur........wise words........especially with the price of a good Bulgarian SLR.  I'm peculiar about all my stuff anyway.  I do know plenty of folks though, who use the stuff, and never think twice about it.  Dud rounds.........pull the slide, eject, and drive on.  Not sure I'd appreciate that kind of unreliability during the defense of my home and family.   :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: REGGAB on February 15, 2009, 06:34:01 PM
WASR-10's were the rejects from the military runs, so they are cheaper out of spec guns from the ROMAK factory...  Many of them were sportorized to meet the 94 ban req - no bayonet lug, non flash suppressor capable ect.  The one I am building has no threads for a flash suppressor, but you can buy a tap to thread them.

I am using it as a test gun for my builds, I have a few other kits, Romanian G's and a few Yugo U/F's.  Building the AR's got me started on this, it is a wicked slippery slope.  The Rom G's were de-milled, many new (I have three of them - appear to be unfired).

$400 is a great price all that said, if you can get an AK for that, would do so...

Also - if you want a GOOD AK - look for a PreBan Norinko, or a Yugo - M70AB2 being my personal favorite of all AK's.  Check Gun Broker.

After all this looking............and with my extreme addiction to quality handguns, it is evident to me that I could easily get hooked on AK/AK variants.  The CAI WASR-10s I've seen.........just look like they need a little "help."  Stocks could use some sanding, staining, refinishing..........probably needs to be tweaked internally to ensure reliability and accuracy.............but for $400, they're awful tempting when compared to the $1250 asking price for a Bulgarian SLR with composite stocks.  Each time I get in a jam like this I start trying to apply math........and scientifically make the decision.  It's not working this time.  I want 'em both............but Checkbook 06 says one or the other.......preferably the less expensive one...........which isn't all bad, since it will give me something else to work on.

Getting to the point where I need a gun safe.............and a safer place to store all this ammo.  If my house catches fire.........it would be "interesting."   :huepfenlol2: :huepfenjump3: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenjump3: :huepfenlol2:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on February 15, 2009, 07:02:52 PM
Getting to the point where I need a gun safe.............and a safer place to store all this ammo.  If my house catches fire.........it would be "interesting."   :huepfenlol2: :huepfenjump3: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenjump3: :huepfenlol2:

I need ANOTHER safe...  They are a huge pain in the a$$ to move, so I am waiting until we get up to VA, but I am going to need another safe for all the post election revelry that I have been having.

I am working on the assumption its easier to have two small/med safes then one mondo mofo that I cannot move.

Safe room when I get to the Final House and the compound...but that is a ways off.

Since I have all these kits, I am already sweating what to do with them as I build them.  Worry about that later.

Decided what to do with my new stripped lower - AR-15 Pistol.  That has to make Rom Emmanual just shiver  :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21:

Sean
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: hunter on February 19, 2009, 07:46:36 PM
Ain't mine - that thing would knock me on my ass

http://www.vincelewis.net/60magnum.html

Used to have a Lone Eagle in 308, 14" brl and break with rotary (canon style) action and 6X shotgun scope.  Kicked harder than a mule.  Never killed anything with just target,  shot 6" group at 100 yrds (I could only shoot it 2-3 times a day).  replaced it with a custom 6mm PPC, what a sweet rifle.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: TN on February 21, 2009, 03:08:36 PM
my new weapon. :orange:

i can see now i need a part time job.



TN
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on February 21, 2009, 05:09:54 PM
Good choice with the smitty TN, they are fun....I have some nice teflon clips I really don't need 12; I can send 2 or 3 30 rounders in exchange for a sand gnat hat..PM me mailing addy.. :drink:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on February 21, 2009, 07:00:57 PM
my new weapon. :orange:

i can see now i need a part time job.



TN


sweet, like that gas block front - good choice on the optics over iron - nice to have back-up iron just in case...

Its a dark, slippery slope!
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on February 21, 2009, 07:02:21 PM
Good choice with the smitty TN, they are fun....I have some nice teflon clips I really don't need 12; I can send 2 or 3 30 rounders in exchange for a sand gnat hat..PM me mailing addy.. :drink:
you been drinking?

Every time I go to the PX I score 2-3 more 30 rounders...if 94 reemerges they will be GOLD.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on February 21, 2009, 10:58:15 PM
Yesh I have been...A gift for TN and an excuse to get some other styles..for me 6-8 of these slick ones otter do it, I can reload em quick with the hand loader framis.

It was a big day today, put led light strips in the safe...and they light up...just on a button switch for now, I don't know if I want a door switch to turn them automatically like.

I like my benelli mostly and have yet tired of buying the schmorgasboard of ammo available for 12 ga...combo slug/00 and other widgets for it...One of those cool touch pad led blind light thingies....and a folding(ahem)stock(ahem).... :drink:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: springervett on February 21, 2009, 11:11:15 PM
Yesh I have been...A gift for TN and an excuse to get some other styles..for me 6-8 of these slick ones otter do it, I can reload em quick with the hand loader framis.

It was a big day today, put led light strips in the safe...and they light up...just on a button switch for now, I don't know if I want a door switch to turn them automatically like.

I like my benelli mostly and have yet tired of buying the schmorgasboard of ammo available for 12 ga...combo slug/00 and other widgets for it...One of those cool touch pad led blind light thingies....and a folding(ahem)stock(ahem).... :drink:

Anyone else having a hard time trying to find small rifle primers?
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: porthole on February 21, 2009, 11:13:14 PM
my new weapon. :orange:

(http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=16970.0;attach=104655;image)


Sweet, and everything about it is illegal in New Jersey  :nixweiss:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on February 22, 2009, 07:09:47 AM
Sweet, and everything about it is illegal in New Jersey  :nixweiss:
NJ, NY, CA, Conn, shave off the bayonet lug for MA

Short list of states I can never take orders to
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: REGGAB on February 22, 2009, 07:21:04 AM
NJ, NY, CA, Conn, shave off the bayonet lug for MA

Short list of states I can never take orders to

Ah........the Sweet, Sweet South.   :2vrolijk_21:

That Bulgarian got away from me.........that what I get for holding out.  Just not sure about those WASR-10s........sorta raggedly, but I suppose therein lies the challenge.....make it slick and sharp.  That milled receiver on that SLR sure was nice though.
I could very easily get wrapped up in that hobby.  Next thing you know I'd have a collection different AK variants and another closet full of nothing but 7.62X39mm.  All it would take would be just one purchase.

Maybe............after I pay this year's tax bill.............maybe.   :-\
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: BADBUD on February 22, 2009, 08:25:04 AM
Hey Guy's,

  I have a question. I have a buddy that has three pre ban colt ar's. I believe they are h-bar flat tops, or something like that. My ? is, what is one of these things worth, or what would be a GOOD DEAL on one of these?

  Bud
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: spydglide on February 22, 2009, 08:57:28 AM
a thousand $.   ;) spyder
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on February 22, 2009, 12:58:19 PM
Ah........the Sweet, Sweet South.   :2vrolijk_21:

That Bulgarian got away from me.........that what I get for holding out.  Just not sure about those WASR-10s........sorta raggedly, but I suppose therein lies the challenge.....make it slick and sharp.  That milled receiver on that SLR sure was nice though.
I could very easily get wrapped up in that hobby.  Next thing you know I'd have a collection different AK variants and another closet full of nothing but 7.62X39mm.  All it would take would be just one purchase.

Maybe............after I pay this year's tax bill.............maybe.   :-\

Get a Yugo or a Norinco (pre-ban)...best bets.

Or jump head first like I did and build your own.  Pressed the barrel out of my practice WASR last night, and going to work on the rest of the de-mil then I will start putting it together.

Sean
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on February 22, 2009, 01:00:19 PM
Hey Guy's,

  I have a question. I have a buddy that has three pre ban colt ar's. I believe they are h-bar flat tops, or something like that. My ? is, what is one of these things worth, or what would be a GOOD DEAL on one of these?

  Bud

depends, but you are looking at upwards of 1500 or more depending on condition and past use...

Check out gunbroker.com and you can get an idea of what the market is supporting - much higher then it should

Pre-ban aint the magic it was since the ban lapsed few years back, you can get "pre-ban" stuff now (for now at least).
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: hunter on February 23, 2009, 11:35:56 AM
Anyone else having a hard time trying to find small rifle primers?

I might be able to get you some Federal Bud, let me know.

 :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: JohnT. on February 23, 2009, 11:58:32 AM
 
 My pick for traveling, and carrying, is the Seecamp LWS .32  .. Fits in the pocket easily, practically disappears in any of the 3 FL's hard luggage bags, and easy and safe to carry loaded. Been carrying one of these for several years now. For up close and personal, this is the chit.  If I'm traveling she's somewhere close, either me pocket or stashed
in my hard bags somewhere, with an extra clip for good measure.. Better safe than sorry.. Watch out scumbags!! I refuse to be a victim!!
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: LarryB on February 23, 2009, 12:23:50 PM
How does that compare to the 380, and whats the price on those. Im searching for a dealer
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: porthole on February 23, 2009, 12:27:20 PM
I'm sure you all have seen this, but it is always a good refresher.

http://www.evtv1.com/player.aspx?itemnum=14651&aid=19
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: JohnT. on February 23, 2009, 12:46:04 PM

 LarryB,  To me the .32 model seems just right. At its typical engagement range, 7ft or less, your going to do serious damage with the .32, with minimal recoil.
Which means follow-up shots are fast and on target. Very easy to shoot and engage targets at this range with nice groups(head and neck area) for a gun of this
size, with no sights. .380 will recoil alot more, so groups probably will not be as good, plus gun will require recoil spring replacement after while, whereas the
.32 should not require any maintenance other than a good cleaning. Try your local gun dealer, they should be able to get you one, $500-$600 range..One of the
better investments in my opinion.. :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on February 23, 2009, 01:10:49 PM

 My pick for traveling, and carrying, is the Seecamp LWS .32  .. Fits in the pocket easily, practically disappears in any of the 3 FL's hard luggage bags, and easy and safe to carry loaded. Been carrying one of these for several years now. For up close and personal, this is the chit.  If I'm traveling she's somewhere close, either me pocket or stashed
in my hard bags somewhere, with an extra clip for good measure.. Better safe than sorry.. Watch out scumbags!! I refuse to be a victim!!

can you get them now?  Remember when they were tough to get a hold of.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: JohnT. on February 23, 2009, 08:21:50 PM
 They seem to be alittle easier to find these days. Collector's Firearms out of Houston has one. You can view online. Plus, you should be able to order one new from your dealer without too long a waiting period, unless you want the .380, hadn't seen too many of those. I think they recently procured an additional CNC machine, so the waiting period isn't as long as before.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: spydglide on February 23, 2009, 08:27:40 PM
I use a couple of 380's as carry weapons.....a Colt and a Llama.  Good concealability and not too heavy.....always wanted a Seecamp, though.  Someday I'll run across one. ;)  spyder
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on February 24, 2009, 10:39:27 AM
http://www.tacticalgearreview.com/tgr/tgr-blog/tactical-weapon-accessories/10-weapon-accessories/31-centurion-law-enforcement-2-34q-multi-defense-buckshot

Anyone tried these?
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on February 24, 2009, 10:52:24 AM
Yes, similar, called pit bull...it will eff up an appliance good and blow watermelons to kingdom come..
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Bikin' Bob on February 24, 2009, 08:24:17 PM
I'm sure you all have seen this, but it is always a good refresher.

http://www.evtv1.com/player.aspx?itemnum=14651&aid=19

Porthole -- thanks for posting that link.  I hadn't seen it before, and she does nail it in the end.  My wife and I were at the firing range this weekend competing against each other as to who could get the most in the target chest area.  She beat me by 1 round. 

Bikin' Bob
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Resbiker on February 26, 2009, 07:53:04 PM
Absolutely!  Mostly when I have my wife with me.  (357 SigSauer, maybe a .38 police, maybe my M-1 carbine with 30 round clips if I'm in Arizona!

Know your state to state rules....if you have a CWP, it helps, but DO NOT ever show.  You do not have to reveal or volunteer the fact that you carry to law enforcement in most states.  Trouble is, up here in Montana, although we don't have a lot of highway trouble, you can't carry into Canada, and for
those of us who used to go to Mexico, can't carry there either.  So, in going state to state to those countries, you've got to leave it home or with a friend in a border state.
Concealed really does mean concealed. :-X
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: REGGAB on February 26, 2009, 09:20:46 PM
I received this notice via email from a friend this morning.  Later this morning, a representative from the gun shop where I bought my PPK/S called me.  I have one of the defective weapons.  Asked me to bring it in, and the shop would get it modified IAW this recall.  Now THAT is great service for a weapon I've had for 6 years.  I've pumped about 5000 rounds through it and never had a problem, but if they say it isn't safe........I'll send it back.

 

From: Morris, James F SIK
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 7:01 PM
To: Labiche, Henry M. SIK
Subject: SAFETY RECALL NOTICE>>>>Walther pistol

IMPORTANT SAFETY RECALL NOTICE - February 20, 2009

PRODUCT:


Walther PPK and PPK/S pistols

DESCRIPTION OF THE HAZARD:


Smith & Wesson has identified a condition that may exist in certain PPK and PPK/S pistols which may permit a round to be discharged without the trigger being pulled. When the manual safety is disengaged, Smith & Wesson's Product Engineering Group has determined that the possibility exists in certain firearms that lowering the hammer may cause a chambered round to fire.

DESCRIPTION OF THE PRODUCT INVOLVED:


This recall applies to all Walther PPK and PPK/S pistols manufactured by Smith & Wesson from March 21, 2002, until February 3, 2009. The Serial Numbers of the pistol subject to this recall are as follows:

0010BAB - 9999BAB
0000BAC - 9999BAC
0000BAD - 9999BAD
0000LTD - 0499LTD
0001PPK - 1500PPK
0000BAE - 9999BAE
0000BAF - 9999BAF
0001WLE - 0459WLE
0000BAH - 9999BAH
0000BAJ - 9999BAJ
0000BAK - 9999BAK
0026REP - 0219REP
0000BAL - 5313BAL
0000BAM - 1320BAM

REMEDY/ACTION TO BE TAKEN:


STOP USING YOUR PISTOL AND RETURN IT TO SMITH & WESSON AT ONCE.
Any unintended discharge of a firearm has the potential for causing injury, and we ask that you stop using your pistol immediately.

To facilitate the repair of your pistol, please contact Smith & Wesson's customer service department to receive instructions for the return of your pistol to Smith & Wesson.

When you return your pistol to Smith & Wesson, we will replace the existing hammer block feature with a new part at no cost to you. Your firearm will be returned as quickly and efficiently as possible.

VERIFICATION OF CORRECTIVE ACTION:


When your pistol is returned, you should note a punch dot which appears at the back of the frame. See the photograph below.
Punch Dot

This marking is verification that the new hammer block has been installed and that your pistol is safe to handle.

CONSUMER CONTACT:


To receive a UPS pre-paid billable stamp and shipping instructions to arrange for the modification of your pistol click here or contact Smith & Wesson directly at 1-800-331-0852.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS RECALL, PLEASE CONTACT SMITH & WESSON AT
1-800-331-0852 or email us at PPK_S@smith-wesson.com.

Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: TN on February 27, 2009, 09:50:37 AM
Absolutely!  Mostly when I have my wife with me.  (357 SigSauer, maybe a .38 police, maybe my M-1 carbine with 30 round clips if I'm in Arizona!

Know your state to state rules....if you have a CWP, it helps, but DO NOT ever show.  You do not have to reveal or volunteer the fact that you carry to law enforcement in most states.  Trouble is, up here in Montana, although we don't have a lot of highway trouble, you can't carry into Canada, and for
those of us who used to go to Mexico, can't carry there either.  So, in going state to state to those countries, you've got to leave it home or with a friend in a border state.
Concealed really does mean concealed. :-X

gun laws in yer state is pro. :2vrolijk_21:
along with alot of other laws.


again, the criminal isn't gonna respect gun laws.


TN
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: 03glide120 on March 02, 2009, 08:31:23 PM
Bought a Kimber Ultra Carry II on Saturday.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Decano on March 02, 2009, 10:29:16 PM
Got an inexpensive .38 Derringer that fits in the lower fairing glove box.  Wife has a deputy badge with right to conceal and carry.  Guess that covers the bases.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on March 03, 2009, 03:55:14 PM
Bought a Kimber Ultra Carry II on Saturday.

How do you like it.

I got a Kimber Ultra CDP II in Dec.  I love the gun.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: OhioDave on March 03, 2009, 06:35:32 PM
got a SW 3913....small enough to fit just about anywhere.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: IRyde on March 03, 2009, 10:10:35 PM
I Picked a Kimber Ultra Carry II last Saturday as well.  Friggin' Awesome!
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: mrmagloo on March 03, 2009, 10:16:22 PM
How do you like it.

I got a Kimber Ultra CDP II in Dec.  I love the gun.
I saw a mint 5" Kimber Raptor that only had a couple of clips through it today for $850. Unfortunately, it's sitting on a non-secured 5 day layaway, so I gotta pray the guy backs out! I just love the detail on that thing. Just wish it had a lower rail.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: 03glide120 on March 08, 2009, 10:35:55 PM
Finally went to gun range today. I put 150 rounds of brass through my Kimber. Failed to reload it self twice. Need more brass.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: naitram on March 08, 2009, 10:37:35 PM
took the wife out today put 150 rds through the glock 27

plan on going again tomorrow, seems like more fun then going to work
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Guilty on March 09, 2009, 12:14:53 AM
I picked up a couple more HK's recently - HK P30 for my wife, yeah, that's it and HK P30L for me. Went to the range today and both weapons performed flawlessly, both extremely accurate and it is great to have 15 rounds capacity in these pistols.
I also introduced my brother to my HK45 and I can't say enough positive things about that gun, it is simply awesome. I expect my brother to be picking up one of the HK45's immediately and probably a HK P30 after that.
I still like to carry my Kimbers when I have the need for more discreet conceal carry but I prefer the HK45 hands down for my daily carry, it is more accurate, has less recoil, carries 10 rounds and is a most excellent pistol.
My 11 year old daughter was shooting her new Kimber K-22 with a Leupold Vari-X II 4x12 for the first time today and she shot a jagged hole in the target from 25 yards, she was loving life today! We were on the pistol range so 75 feet is the furthest away that we had the opportunity to shoot the Kimber. We plan on taking it to the rifle range in the next week or two and testing accuracy out at 100-200 yards.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on March 09, 2009, 09:39:58 AM
Finally went to gun range today. I put 150 rounds of brass through my Kimber. Failed to reload it self twice. Need more brass.

That seems to be pretty normal for Kimbers.  Kimber says 500 rounds are needed to break the gun in.

With my Ultra CDP, I had 3 failure to loads in the first 300 rounds.  In the second 300 rounds I have had no issues.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on March 09, 2009, 09:45:23 AM
You cannot limp wrist a kimber either...but 500 or more rounds is a good idea before being put into service..I have around 5k through mine now and still need the take down tool to clean it..any ftf is usually op error from fatigue.
I have found anyway...

My new carry, the lcp, only has 200 through it, a nasty stinger but nice and samll.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Jock on March 09, 2009, 09:14:41 PM
took the wife out today put 150 rds through the glock 27

plan on going again tomorrow, seems like more fun then going to work

As I think about about it...anything beats work for me!

I am checking out an indoor range for the first time last weekend...plan to go soon as the outdoor range is too far...
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: naitram on March 09, 2009, 09:19:07 PM
wife and i put 300 rds down range today between us 297/300 in the silhouette at varying distances from 5-10 yards.

not long range but it is a sub-compact Length barrel not intended for 30 yard trick shots
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: porthole on March 09, 2009, 09:22:30 PM

Fastest shot in the world

http://videos.komando.com/2009/01/06/fastest-shot-in-the-world/
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Screamin on March 09, 2009, 10:35:39 PM
Fastest shot in the world

http://videos.komando.com/2009/01/06/fastest-shot-in-the-world/

Holy chit
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: mrmagloo on March 10, 2009, 11:06:56 PM
Dayam! 
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: 1711tab on March 10, 2009, 11:16:40 PM
If so, what do you do when you travel?

:indian_chief:


Kimber CDP Ultra Carry with Black Talons... Where I go it goes as I have Utah, Florida, Nevada and Arizona CCW permits...
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: REGGAB on March 10, 2009, 11:49:23 PM
Fastest shot in the world

http://videos.komando.com/2009/01/06/fastest-shot-in-the-world/

Goodness!  OK......he's good!   :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: TN on March 11, 2009, 08:35:11 AM
Fastest shot in the world

http://videos.komando.com/2009/01/06/fastest-shot-in-the-world/

i don't even think that fast. pretty good with a single action. good with anything. :orange:




TN
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Fired00d on March 11, 2009, 08:42:53 AM
Fastest shot in the world

http://videos.komando.com/2009/01/06/fastest-shot-in-the-world/
That was impressive. Speaking of that check this guy out...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1drgmqqyuQ

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Coolbreeze on March 12, 2009, 04:40:34 PM
well hmpppppffff!!!!      I practice,  a lot,  and I ain't nowhere near that fast!!!!   
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: TN on March 29, 2009, 03:39:16 PM
some more home defense.  :orange:
my neighbors know when i acquire a new gun. :rifle:


TN


Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: LarryB on March 29, 2009, 04:43:51 PM
Nice :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: spydglide on March 29, 2009, 05:27:11 PM
That one would be good in a scabbard on the front fork sans the light.  ;) spyder
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on March 29, 2009, 06:34:53 PM
some more home defense.  :orange:
my neighbors know when i acquire a new gun. :rifle:


TN




That barrel has a few inches to give up...
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on March 29, 2009, 06:36:07 PM
!
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: TN on March 30, 2009, 08:31:36 AM
That barrel has a few inches to give up...

i bet that bitch would have a lil kick to it. :coolblue:

wouldn't even notice it in the heat of the moment.



TN
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: sadunbar on April 03, 2009, 09:17:33 PM
http://www.break.com/index/bulletproof-vest-test-goes-wrong.html

gun safety video....
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: TN on April 04, 2009, 07:45:47 AM
http://www.break.com/index/bulletproof-vest-test-goes-wrong.html

gun safety video....

its a wonder these kinda folks make it to adulthood. :nixweiss:

hate to think whats next for them.



TN
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on April 04, 2009, 08:16:18 AM
its a wonder these kinda folks make it to adulthood. :nixweiss:

hate to think whats next for them.



TN

did you see the Vol's sticker on the truck?
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: TN on April 04, 2009, 07:40:49 PM
did you see the Vol's sticker on the truck?

i bet ya the front plate on the truck is a gator head.


 :orange:

TN


Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on May 12, 2009, 06:09:10 AM
***ALERT for All Florida CCW License Holders***

Legislators Raid CCW Trust Fund - Try to Intimidate Governor

DATE:       May 11, 2009
TO:            USF & NRA Member and Friends
FROM:      Marion P. Hammer
                  USF Executive Director
                  NRA Past President

In a last minute sneak attack on gun owners, the Florida Legislature raided the concealed weapons and firearms licensing trust fund.  This not only effects resident CCW license holders, but non-resident Florida license holders as well!

They took $6 million from the Division of Licensing Concealed Weapons and Firearm Trust Fund that is intended, by law, to be used solely for administering the concealed weapons and firearms licensing program. (Read background information below)

Please Call, Fax, or Email Governor Charlie Crist IMMEDIATELY, and ask him to veto the $6 Million trust fund sweep from the Department of Agriculture & Consumer Services Division of Licensing authorized under Section 59 of the Conference Report of SB-2600.

Please send your email today!!!!!

And/or please contact the Governor's office by phone or fax ASAP.

Phone number: (850) 488-4441 or (850) 488-7146
Fax number:  (850) 487-0801

Send your email to the Governor at this address: Charlie.Crist@MyFlorida.com

BACKGROUND:

Right now, the concealed weapons and firearms licensing program is backlogged and overloaded, due in part, to the refusal of budget officials and the Legislature to allow the Division of Licensing to use its own trust fund money to hire more employees and expand/upgrade equipment.

Crates of unopened mail containing license and license renewal applications sit in storage. The backlog of mail sitting unopened, at times, has extended beyond 90 days while existing licenses are expiring because renewal applications haven't been opened and processed.

Currently (although the Division of Licensing has been working weekend shifts to clear the backlog), it is taking 13-14 weeks to process a "perfect" application once it has been opened. That is an unequivocal violation of the law that requires issuance or denial of a license by a specific time –– a violation of law that legislative leaders are condoning by their actions.

THE LAW REQUIRES THE DIVISION OF LICENSING TO ISSUE A LICENSE WITHIN 90 DAYS OF RECEIPT OF THE APPLICATION -- or deny the license "for cause", based upon the criteria set forth in the law.  Theft of operating funds by the Legislature is not "just cause" for failure to issue licenses or renewals within 90 days.

While applications sit gathering dust, legislative leaders took $6 million of approximately $8 million held in the trust fund.  That $6 million is supposed to be used to pay employees, buy upgraded equipment, upgrade or replace computers or software and to otherwise administer the concealed weapons and firearms licensing program.

BUT, feigning a desperate need for funds for education and health care, legislative leaders recklessly and ruthlessly confiscated trust fund money.  Why?  Because they were building a so-called "working capital" fund for the 2010-12 legislative term, reported now to be in the neighborhood of $1.8 BILLION DOLLARS. This so-called "working capital fund" is for the use of future legislative leaders.

They didn't take that money for education.  They didn't take that money for health care.  They didn't take that money to save jobs.  They didn't take that money to avoid pay cuts, or budget cuts -- they took the money to help build their own fund.

While Senate leadership reportedly fought to stop the ruthless raids on trust funds, in the end, they simply caved and let the House of Representatives prevail.

The bad behavior doesn't end there.

Obviously fearing the Governor would use his line-item veto to stop trust fund raids, proviso language was inserted in the bill in a clear attempt to intimidate the Governor.

The proviso language, states that if any portion of the moneys swept from this and other trust funds does not become law (meaning it is vetoed), that portion of the money shall be deducted from the EDUCATION BUDGET.  This is clearly designed to keep the Governor from vetoing trust fund sweeps, and prevent trust fund money from being taken back out the House leadership's so-called "working capital" fund.

Money in the concealed weapons trust fund came from gun owners. No money to administer and run the concealed weapons and firearms licensing program has ever come from general revenue, or any other state fund or revenue source.  The taking of these gun owner user fees is an unauthorized tax on the exercise of the Second Amendment.

AGAIN, Please call, fax and email Governor Crist IMMEDIATELY, and ask him to veto the $6 Million raid on the Concealed Weapons & Firearms Trust Fund!

Send your email to the Governor at this address: Charlie.Crist@MyFlorida.com

Please send your email today!!!!!
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: hard10 on July 09, 2009, 11:06:53 PM
I remember BB (Spiderman) having a hard time with people posting their VIN's online as some unscrupulous individuals might do something with them, hence I rarely post in this thread. However I'm having a hard time containing my enthusiasm in my recent purchase. Tomorrow morning FedEx should be delivering my new Seecamp LWS32. I can't wait!
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: LarryB on July 10, 2009, 07:13:46 AM
xmas in july!!
did you order direct from Seecamp
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: spydglide on July 10, 2009, 07:20:31 AM
Hope you'll give us a report on how much you like it after a 'road-test'.......I'm sure many of us have long thought of trying to obtain this little hide-away.  Congrats.  :2vrolijk_21: spyder
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: muddypaws on July 10, 2009, 07:36:16 AM
The state of Virginia passed a bill so you can get your permit to carry on the internet. That is our goverment doing what they do best. Screw up.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: BigLew on July 10, 2009, 08:34:39 AM
don't know this peace? Any comments on Sig 556?

BigLew
 :worthless:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on July 10, 2009, 08:51:34 AM
Pretty nice platform. A little spendy for me, I prefer 1 in 9 twist for lighter loads, to me , it needs better furniture, I do not care for that type of folding stock.  For just plinking a Olympic, Bushmaster or similar ar clone are a little cheaper. Gun broker has lots of sigs 556's.

My next ar platform is ar10, Armalite if I can afford it. But .308 is now cheaper than good Lake City xm5.56, saw plenty coming back to our gun show recently, which is good but expensive!

Disclosure: My AR is a S&W, it eats ball ammo readily and fires the x really well. I likey! 
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: BigLew on July 10, 2009, 08:56:55 AM
just look for something in a good ar pistol. This "world"  is greek to me. Now handguns and shotgun I'm good at!
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on July 10, 2009, 09:04:19 AM
colt, dpms..many good platforms to make an AR pistol, make sure of the legalities in your state regarding sbr's...short barrel rifles or AR pistols
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on July 10, 2009, 09:07:37 AM
Sorry Lew, I thought you after an ar rifle not pistol.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: JeffsHogPen on July 10, 2009, 09:58:23 AM
Yes a Beretta 9mm. Hope that I don't have to use it but will if needed....
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Muley on July 10, 2009, 10:33:01 AM
The state of Virginia passed a bill so you can get your permit to carry on the internet. That is our goverment doing what they do best. Screw up.

How is making it easy to get your carry permitt a screw up? An armed society is a polite society.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on July 10, 2009, 01:40:32 PM
just look for something in a good ar pistol. This "world"  is greek to me. Now handguns and shotgun I'm good at!

Build one...

I have a Delton (DTI) Lower and am waiting on my Rock River Arms 7.5" upper...ordered in March to arrive.  I have an Ace Buffer and a DPMS lower kit all ready for my upper to arrive.

You can score uppers on Gun Broker in the 500-700 range.  

I have built two already an M4 and an A2.  AR's are a blast to build and you really don't "NEED" any special tools - you can do it with common hand tools.  

But what fun is that.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on July 10, 2009, 01:42:20 PM
How is making it easy to get your carry permitt a screw up? An armed society is a polite society.

I was thinking the same thing - you still have to go through the same background checks...  What difference would be doing it through the mail or on-line matter?

If everyone carried a weapon, not many crooks would be bold enough to attack and hurt other folks

Peace through superior firepower...?
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on July 10, 2009, 01:43:48 PM
colt, dpms..many good platforms to make an AR pistol, make sure of the legalities in your state regarding sbr's...short barrel rifles or AR pistols

Pistols are legal as long as you don't have a stock - if you want a SBR you can pay for a tax stamp/ticket to own it, think its $300 to own.

AR-15.com has an entire thread dedicated to AR Pistols...lots of sexy AR porn
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on July 10, 2009, 01:47:12 PM
The state of Virginia passed a bill so you can get your permit to carry on the internet. That is our goverment doing what they do best. Screw up.

so doing it via the mail is better?

same background checks, same requirements to have a concealed permit - if you can do it via an on-line method how is that a screw up?

tons of folks are killed by dumbass drivers - they were able to renew their license on-line, should that stop also?

make it easier not harder
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: hard10 on July 10, 2009, 04:32:48 PM
Christmas in july!!
did you order direct from Seecamp

Ordered this one ( :D :D :D) from a stocking dealer in TX. FedEx just delivered it and I have to go over and fill out the paperwork. Another dealer I know has the next two consecutive serial numbers. NO, I'm not buying all three! This "hobby" is getting as expensive as the CVO.


(http://www.seecamp.com/yabbfiles/Attachments/LWS32_Complete.jpg)
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: LarryB on July 10, 2009, 05:47:41 PM
ya gotta give me the info so I can hook one up too.
We got a tour bus leaving tonight for beaufort. A band from here is playing there this weekend, Little Big Town. and a showcase for a new act, guy named Dean.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: spydglide on July 10, 2009, 09:09:34 PM
Ordered this one ( :D :D :D) from a stocking dealer in TX. FedEx just delivered it and I have to go over and fill out the paperwork. Another dealer I know has the next two consecutive serial numbers. NO, I'm not buying all three! This "hobby" is getting as expensive as the CVO.


(http://www.seecamp.com/yabbfiles/Attachments/LWS32_Complete.jpg)
AJ, that Seecamp's looking good!  I remember reading somewhere that they just love  :-* Winchester Silver Tip hollowpoints!  Feed & eject them like they were made for ea. other.....much better than other ammo.  That was awhile back, so the pistols or ammo might have changed.  What's the 'out-the-door-AJ-deal' price for these babies?  :nixweiss: spyder
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: hard10 on July 10, 2009, 09:58:36 PM
ya gotta give me the info so I can hook one up too.
We got a tour bus leaving tonight for beaufort. A band from here is playing there this weekend, Little Big Town. and a showcase for a new act, guy named Dean.

Who's got Larry's cell # ? ???
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: hard10 on July 10, 2009, 10:08:25 PM
AJ, that Seecamp's looking good!  I remember reading somewhere that they just love  :-* Winchester Silver Tip hollowpoints!  Feed & eject them like they were made for ea. other.....much better than other ammo.  That was awhile back, so the pistols or ammo might have changed.  What's the 'out-the-door-AJ-deal' price for these babies?  :nixweiss: spyder

The Seecamp will only fire Gold Dot or Silvertips. For ball ammo, Winchester Q4255. OTD $ was 475 plus $30 fee on my end for "transfer fees".
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: hard10 on July 10, 2009, 10:23:58 PM
ya gotta give me the info so I can hook one up too.
We got a tour bus leaving tonight for beaufort. A band from here is playing there this weekend, Little Big Town. and a showcase for a new act, guy named Dean.

www.bftwaterfestival.com

Concert in the Park
Sponsored by Country 106.9 FM
Entertainment featuring Little Big Town
8 p.m. - Midnight, Waterfront Park
NO STROLLERS ALLOWED
Admission $25, Buy Now!
limited advance tickets available online


I was going to watch it from the boat (closer to the stage and less people  ;D). Somebody's got to have Larry's #.
Spoke to Chief today and he and Mohota are not coming down this year.  :( Too much to do.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Resbiker on July 16, 2009, 12:29:55 PM
I'm wondering about that .32 Seecamp....pretty small, so how's it's punch & range?  I really like my SigSauer 357, but a little heavy in my shoulder hoster for all day riding.  And, my police 2" 38 special is ok, but old school.  Actually, it might have more stopping power & range for a little revolver than your Seecamp.  No? 

The hassle, is, you have to leave your piece locked up in the scoot in order to stop for a beer now & then.

What do some of you on the Canada or  border states do regarding carrying?   Is there any way to check your piece somewhere on the USA side, ride Canada (buy your bear spray!), then pick up coming back?  Forget Mexico, I'm done with that.

Hey!  I just thought of a new business!  Check your gun at ResBiker's Secure Gunsafe, will store and/or transfer to an affiliate somewhere else.  Hmmm, wonder what you'd have to do with the BATF to get that going?  Oh, well...
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: StrokedRider on July 29, 2009, 12:10:27 PM
Ahhhhmmm..... "Never leave home without it!"  .44 Special "Bulldog"   When the dog barks, Dirtheads listen!

In AZ we can carry even though i have a CCW permit. No point in lettin' em' know i am prepared.
Reciprocity is an issue when traveling. Does your Ol' Lady have a purse??!!!! And does she have pretty titties just in case??!!!!!
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: MD-Dave on August 11, 2009, 04:04:45 PM
When I saw this thread I thought of a video I had seen on youtube.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBhY6gphFLA
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Fired00d on August 11, 2009, 04:13:43 PM
When I saw this thread I thought of a video I had seen on youtube.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBhY6gphFLA
:ROFLOL:  :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: LarryB on August 11, 2009, 05:44:32 PM
that's some funny shiit right there, I don't care who you are.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: vtyanqui on August 11, 2009, 05:57:47 PM
When I first saw this topic I immediately thought of this line. “If you carry a gun, people will call you paranoid.  That’s ridiculous.  If I have a gun, what the hell do I have to be paranoid for?”
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Hoist! on August 11, 2009, 06:01:14 PM
In the Communist City of New York, with Comrade Bloomberg leading us, WE CAN'T HAVE EM!!! ONLY CRIMINALS GET THE GUNS!!! >:( >:( >:(

Hoist! :coolblue:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on August 11, 2009, 08:58:13 PM
In the Communist City of New York, with Comrade Bloomberg leading us, WE CAN'T HAVE EM!!! ONLY CRIMINALS GET THE GUNS!!! >:( >:( >:(

Hoist! :coolblue:

ah...so move?
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: REGGAB on August 11, 2009, 09:03:57 PM
When I saw this thread I thought of a video I had seen on youtube.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBhY6gphFLA

If I did that.......well.......we ain't got no dog house, so I guess I'd either be allowed to sleep in the garage or the bike trailer.  Either way, I'd pay dearly, especially since Renea knows handguns better than I do.   :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: REGGAB on August 11, 2009, 09:19:59 PM
FINALLY got my Walther PPK/S back from S&W after getting the safety recall mod done.  Darn near six months wait......but it was free.  Still works just as well as it did before, and it is a great little carry piece when riding.   :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: naitram on August 11, 2009, 09:32:50 PM
If I did that.......well.......we ain't got no dog house, so I guess I'd either be allowed to sleep in the garage or the bike trailer.  Either way, I'd pay dearly, especially since Renea knows handguns better than I do.   :2vrolijk_21:

if i did that i think a round would find its way into the chamber  :nervous:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: REGGAB on August 11, 2009, 09:43:05 PM
if i did that i think a round would find its way into the chamber  :nervous:

ZACKLY.   :nervous: :huepfenlol2:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: skydiverbob on October 25, 2009, 11:59:49 AM
.
MY that's a big one.  How do you fire that?  In a vise?
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: smkymtnboy on October 26, 2009, 05:42:57 PM
glock 26
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Fireguy on October 27, 2009, 03:44:22 PM
38 special legally with a CCW. Dont be caught without one.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: OhioDave on October 27, 2009, 04:27:43 PM
My S&W 3913 is never far from reach....
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: fresh oil and pipes on October 27, 2009, 04:48:40 PM
Yes.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Fireguy on October 27, 2009, 08:29:32 PM
This is a serious issue and should not be taken lightly. At least in the most liberal state of california, if you are caught with any fire arms without being a law officer or a concealed weapons permit, you are headed for trouble. Just some food for thought.       
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: hard10 on October 27, 2009, 08:49:42 PM
This is a serious issue and should not be taken lightly. At least in the most liberal state of california, if you are caught with any fire arms without being a law officer or a concealed weapons permit, you are headed for trouble. Just some food for thought.       

I don't think anyone is taking the Second Amendment lightly. I think the topic of the thread was merely whether or not you carried a weapon, legally.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on October 28, 2009, 06:34:47 AM
This is a serious issue and should not be taken lightly. At least in the most liberal state of california, if you are caught with any fire arms without being a law officer or a concealed weapons permit, you are headed for trouble. Just some food for thought.      

Which is the PRIMARY reason I will never accept orders to a state that would not let me carry a weapon and would require me to get rid of or have someone hold about a dozen of my favorite rifles.  

California (and NY, NJ, CONN, MASS) can keep their stupid rules and gun control paranoia, I'll stay out.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: faceracer on December 07, 2009, 02:53:25 PM
A pair of Taurus model 85 .38 specials with +P Hydrashocks! Carried in both front pockets of a Fox Creek Leather vest in Uncle Mikes inside the pocket holsters.  :2vrolijk_21: This vest also has a inside pocket for a larger auto. Taurus PT25 9mm in the bags. Brass knuckles, a S&W Tactical switch blade and a 4 "C" cell Mag lite!  :bananarock: Kentucky has a concealed deadly weapon lic. I can carry anything I want! God I love this state!  :apple: I feel a revolver is a safer carry and quick to use! Carring an auto locked n loaded could end op badly. I personally know someone who dropped an auto in the pisser and it shot him up through his balls and killed him. He was a mechanic at Asher's HD in KY. RIP BULLET.


Check out the NRA store they have a Chit load of concealed carry clothing!

www.nra.com
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Crusty on December 07, 2009, 03:01:05 PM
That's one thing I haven't figured out yet (besides what piece I'm gonna get when I get back to the states) is where I'm gonna carry it... I'm not a leather guy and wear full riding gear anytime I get out and ride, so there aren't any easily accesible pockets, and fumbling around trying to get chit unzipped is gonna take way too long if I need to access my weapon. Could probably get away with a shoulder rig or something like that in my summer gear, but with my winter coat, that ain't gonna work.  :nixweiss:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Wheelsnkeels on December 07, 2009, 03:47:38 PM
This is a serious issue and should not be taken lightly. At least in the most liberal state of california, if you are caught with any fire arms without being a law officer or a concealed weapons permit, you are headed for trouble. Just some food for thought.       

The 2nd ammendment is my permit! What part of "Shall not be infringed" don't they understand.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: 16HD117 on December 07, 2009, 04:41:13 PM
I won this one at a NRA fund raiser about two months ago.  Ruger 380 LCP (light carry pistol).  Excellent pocket gun!  Perfect for your back pocket and the case looks like a wallet.  Can't want for someone to tell me to had over my wallet!
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: 16HD117 on December 07, 2009, 04:42:24 PM
Inside case
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: rlavigna on December 07, 2009, 04:51:13 PM
The 2nd ammendment is my permit! What part of "Shall not be infringed" don't they understand.

I live in New York and hate the fact that NY is anti 2nd Ammendment.  I do want to move...just have not picked a place to move to yet.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Wheelsnkeels on December 07, 2009, 04:59:14 PM
I won this one at a NRA fund raiser about two months ago.  Ruger 380 LCP (light carry pistol).  Excellent pocket gun!  Perfect for your back pocket and the case looks like a wallet.  Can't want for someone to tell me to had over my wallet!

My friends wife was sooo excited to get hers. Took her to the range 2 days later with a box of rounds and some targets. This Little thing kicked like a 50 cal and was very difficult to hold. the recoil bruised her hand in the web between the thumb and fore finger. She fired 4 rounds and we traded she emptied the clips in both my .40 Glocks without near the recoil.

Probably the most wicked .380 I've fired managed a 5 inch grouping at 15 yards but very uncomfortable to shoot. the trigger pull is around 6 lbs and can only be modified by a gunsmith. It was pretty :-* but went right back to the gun store and the Glock 9mm is back in her purse.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Wheelsnkeels on December 07, 2009, 05:05:17 PM
I live in New York and hate the fact that NY is anti 2nd Amendment.  I do want to move...just have not picked a place to move to yet.

This among other reasons was why I left Illinois and moved to Gun friendly Indiana. We do not have CCW we have LTC. So open or concealed is up to the permit holder and the permit is honored by over 28 states. License to carry lifetime permit is $60.00 adding a Utah non-resident get you 5 more states

I don't believe you need a permit to defend yourself and your property in a free country, but I guess more and more I don't live in one any more.

Vermont is the only state true to the founders concept. The Second Amendment is your permit there.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: MontyB on December 07, 2009, 07:10:43 PM
Inside case

Sweet!  who makes that leather pocket holster??

cheers!
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on December 07, 2009, 07:51:59 PM
40% off Smith And Wesson order form for any Active Duty folks...

Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: NVTHIS on December 07, 2009, 11:21:52 PM
This is my Daily Conceal Carry Pistol, Sig Sauer 9mm, P226. Most of my guns all have "Sex Appeal" but not this, the U.S. Navy Seals carry it because it's all Business. This thing shoots sweeter than all my Colts put together. Living in Kentucky gives you the right to carry with a permit, so sometimes size does matter.  :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: 16HD117 on December 08, 2009, 11:42:17 AM
My friends wife was sooo excited to get hers. Took her to the range 2 days later with a box of rounds and some targets. This Little thing kicked like a 50 cal and was very difficult to hold. the recoil bruised her hand in the web between the thumb and fore finger. She fired 4 rounds and we traded she emptied the clips in both my .40 Glocks without near the recoil.

Probably the most wicked .380 I've fired managed a 5 inch grouping at 15 yards but very uncomfortable to shoot. the trigger pull is around 6 lbs and can only be modified by a gunsmith. It was pretty :-* but went right back to the gun store and the Glock 9mm is back in her purse.

Seems these two guys disagree with your comments on the 380LCP (and so do I).

Note the amount of recoil in the YouTube video. Nothing like a 50 cal!

http://www.gunblast.com/Ruger-LCP.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR-uRVn4irQ
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on December 08, 2009, 12:19:07 PM
You pay a price in comfort for size and weight.  It is meant to save your life and not for plinkin cans.  A seecamp may be better, a little heavier

I don't mind my lcp at all.  Gold dot is a little spicy to shoot but ball ammo is not all bad. Not for nothing but after 3 clips for practice each month I put it down and shoot some other guns for fun. Nothing fun about it.  I don't carry full size anymore..the lcp is a perfect semi for pocket carry. In south Florida you are in shorts most of the time and it is hard not to print a pdw.

Cant compare the two as they are different weapons altogether.

All in my own inflated opinion of course..whatever a shooter is most comfy with is the issue as long as it carries a round with some punch.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: spydglide on December 08, 2009, 12:40:42 PM
I agree on the compromise.  The main thing is to HAVE a gun if needed and more times I have my (marginal) .380 than a .45......the important thing is that I have it if needed.  It is interesting to note that the most back-ordered ammo all around is the .380 now.  Must be a lot of people 'down-sizing' for comfort/convience these days.  spyder
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Wheelsnkeels on December 08, 2009, 12:42:14 PM
Seems these two guys disagree with your comments on the 380LCP (and so do I).

Note the amount of recoil in the YouTube video. Nothing like a 50 cal!

http://www.gunblast.com/Ruger-LCP.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR-uRVn4irQ

Sorry dont like it but it is easily concealed and the gun you have with you always beats the one in your car. The convenience is undeniable, The colt Govt model .380 is not much harder to conceal and a much better mannered piece. IMHO :2vrolijk_21:

I'd rather have an LCP than be unarmed but at this price point there are many other options to choose from.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: spydglide on December 08, 2009, 12:49:18 PM
Sorry dont like it but it is easily concealed and the gun you have with you always beats the one in your car. The convenience is undeniable, The colt Govt model .380  is not much harder to conceal and a much better mannered piece. IMHO :2vrolijk_21:

I'd rather have an LCP than be unarmed but at this price point there are many other options to choose from.
The pistol I carry the most of all my options.  Not the smallest, but the best compromise (IMHO). The Llama .380 is so very similar, but a tad heavier.....still a nice carry piece of that ilk.   ;) spyder
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Wheelsnkeels on December 08, 2009, 01:02:42 PM
Carried a .380 for years easy to conceal fairly comfortably.

Recent years went to the subcompact Glock 27 .40 cal. Little more stopping power and concealable even in shorts using the www.smartcarry.com holster.

When riding use a Coronado leather concealment vest. www.coronadoleather.com or open carry in Uncle Mikes OTP leather holster under my leather Jacket.

If I do relocate to Florida though understand the weather may require an adjustment? :nixweiss:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on December 08, 2009, 01:08:26 PM
Well no, if you wanna were a jacket when it is a brazillion degrees out( 81 right now), or have a shirt on shirt(give away for sure) ... :P :D

Mostly carry front short pants pocket with the lcp...truck gun is a kimber cdp .45...
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Indenial on December 08, 2009, 01:55:23 PM
http://unclegeorgeswalletholster.com/default.aspx
Here's a great case for the LCP. Use it everyday and don't know it's there.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: charles05663 on December 08, 2009, 06:09:42 PM
Vermont is the only state true to the founders concept. The Second Amendment is your permit there.

While the founders had it right, the reality of the situation is quite different.  In Vermont, if you are a law abiding citizen and use a firearm to defend yourself, I can almost guarantee that you will be prosecuted by the county attorneys for some sort of homicide charge.  If on the other hand, if you are a lowlife thug/criminal and murder someone or commit a straw purchase, since you obviously have issues (self esteem, fill in the excuse blank), you will get off with a slap on the wrist.

There was a shooting in Vermont awhile back.  The gun was straw purchased and later used to kill someone in a drug deal.  They let the suspect out with no bail and he skipped town and later shot and paralyzed someone in Arizona.  The straw purchaser got 90 days of a suspended sentence.

Another guy kill someone who had been threatening and taunting him for months.  The dead guy cornered the defender and was attacking him with with an ax handle.  The defender got 5 years in prison.

Another guy was being attacked with an ax.  The defender shot the killed the attacker with a rifle as the attacker was turning around.  Grand jury did not find sufficient evidence to try the guy.  The county attorney was not satisfied and later found a reason to try him for manslaughter.

Another guy was threaten for weeks by a co-worker and had publicly stated he was going to kill the guy.  The guy came after him and the defender shot and killed him.  As he was laying on the ground, the defender hit him on the head with the pistol.  The defender plea bargained and got 7 years.

And the stories go on.  While the states constitution protects the right of firearm ownership, the county attorneys actively prosecute any apparent act of self-defense as murder or manslaughter.  Bottomline, protect yourself and get ready to stand trial.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Fired00d on December 08, 2009, 06:17:25 PM
....  Bottomline, protect yourself and get ready to stand trial.
Better to be tried by 12 then carried by 6.

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: spydglide on December 08, 2009, 06:22:11 PM
Better to be tried by 12 then carried by 6.

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Only problem is that most of those 12 are the ones that elected the officials that made the stupid laws, appointed/hired the prosecutors that enforced them that put you there.  What a mess.   spyder
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Wheelsnkeels on December 08, 2009, 06:39:25 PM
While the founders had it right, the reality of the situation is quite different. 
And the stories go on.  While the states constitution protects the right of firearm ownership, the county attorneys actively prosecute any apparent act of self-defense as murder or manslaughter.  Bottomline, protect yourself and get ready to stand trial.

Very disappointing to hear this >:(

Just goes to show how the small minded abuse power they are entrusted with.
It's always easier to abuse the law abiding citizen as they care about the rules. Criminals on the other hand are beyond the rule of law a concept politicians cannot comprehend.


 
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: NVTHIS on December 08, 2009, 10:35:51 PM
This is my S/W small J Frame Model 649 - 357 Mag / .38+P with a 2 1/8 barrel. In the next pic is a shot of the built in belt grips.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: NVTHIS on December 08, 2009, 10:36:51 PM
The Grips allows me to carry with a holster.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: NVTHIS on December 08, 2009, 10:40:06 PM
Here my 44 Magnum that kicks like a SOB.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: spada84 on December 08, 2009, 11:00:08 PM
Something from my safe in a mag mount tank bag with built in holster.  Currenty a Sig P226 loaded with HydraShocks.  Moves to a JIT strong side when possible and legal with my CCW.  Want to switch back to my Para LDA after I get the sights replaced.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Wheelsnkeels on December 09, 2009, 10:03:48 AM
The Grips allows me to carry with a holster.

Assuming you meant "Without" a holster :nixweiss:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: NVTHIS on December 09, 2009, 11:45:19 AM
Assuming you meant "Without" a holster :nixweiss:
Sorry, without a holster. Thanks for your help
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Wheelsnkeels on December 09, 2009, 02:26:53 PM
Here my 44 Magnum that kicks like a SOB.

I like it but then I like them all :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: cuttinhorse on December 09, 2009, 06:22:03 PM
This is my S/W small J Frame Model 649 - 357 Mag / .38+P with a 2 1/8 barrel. In the next pic is a shot of the built in belt grips.

I have the same weapon. I have ran about 50 rounds of some old .357 handloads thru it that I loaded HOT for hog hunting. It isn't my favorite .357.  I shoot +P thru it and it is pretty manageable.

What are those grips? Explain

I carry any one of 3 .45 1911s. I have an affinity for them from the days when Uncle Sam was my Boss. Also have a couple Sigs.

Glad I live in Texas where guns are still considered a good thing for good guys.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Hoist! on December 09, 2009, 09:03:33 PM
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Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: hard10 on December 09, 2009, 09:17:38 PM
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Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Hoist! on December 09, 2009, 09:33:41 PM
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Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: NVTHIS on December 09, 2009, 11:11:30 PM
I have the same weapon. I have ran about 50 rounds of some old .357 handloads thru it that I loaded HOT for hog hunting. It isn't my favorite .357.  I shoot +P thru it and it is pretty manageable.

What are those grips? Explain

I carry any one of 3 .45 1911s. I have an affinity for them from the days when Uncle Sam was my Boss. Also have a couple Sigs.

Glad I live in Texas where guns are still considered a good thing for good guys.
They are called the (HiIP-GRIP) see pic below. I like to carry this piece but my only problem is I don't like shooting it over a couple times because it hard on the hand and wrist. But getting back to the grips no need for a holster. It's very comfortable to carry and you don't have to worry about it coming off your belt. Here's there web site. www.hipgrip.com   -   I have a extra set I can send you so you can try if you like. I think they were about 39.00 or 49.00 when I got mine last year.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: NVTHIS on December 09, 2009, 11:12:50 PM
Here's the back side of the package. It show other sizes.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Sean M Cary on December 10, 2009, 05:59:09 AM
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Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on May 04, 2010, 11:34:49 AM
Schmoops mothers day present...LCR in 38S

Hope she likes it... ::)
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Fired00d on May 04, 2010, 02:46:51 PM
Schmoops mothers day present...LCR in 38S

Hope she likes it... ::)
Nice :2vrolijk_21:... if she doesn't I bet I know somebody that will. ;) ::) :D

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
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 :fireman:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on May 04, 2010, 02:48:41 PM
I already have the LCR in 380 auto, she had a hard time racking the auto's...
If she doesn't like it she can trade it in for something else.  :)
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: spydglide on May 04, 2010, 04:55:27 PM
What's not to like....it's hammerless, unless the grip is too large for her hands or something like that.  What's the weight?  :nixweiss: spyder
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: fresh oil and pipes on May 04, 2010, 05:03:59 PM
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Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: miker on May 04, 2010, 07:34:05 PM
What's not to like....it's hammerless, unless the grip is too large for her hands or something like that.  What's the weight?  :nixweiss: spyder

13.5 oz's...We'll see how she likes it....
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: dustingaunder on May 04, 2010, 08:08:08 PM
Cobb, that bill passed the house with the Senate's amendments.  It is on its way to the Governor and hopefully we'll be able to open carry in November!!!
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Crusty on May 21, 2010, 12:30:46 AM
Finally got around to hitting a couple gun shops here... both places pointed me towards the Springfield Armory XD... one guy said he carried the .40, the one at the other place carried the .45.

Seems to me the grip is just a bit longer on the .45; most of the time my pinky hangs off the bottom of a subcompact, but it mostly fit on the .45.

I really like the feel of the XDm .40... but it is a little bigger, so do I sacrafice comfort for making it a bit less concealable...? No local places that let you rent/shoot before you buy... need to look around up in Denver.

decisions decisions... lol
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: 63SSRagtop on May 21, 2010, 05:11:14 AM
Never leave home without one of them, which one i carry depends on how heavy i'm insulated...
forget the S&W, i don't have enough insulation to hide that one.. Usually carry the .40 Browning hi-power (2nd one from the bottom),
its got a very slim design and conceals well...
Want a snub nosed 5 shot .38, figure if you need more than 5 rounds you should just split to begin with!  
(http://home.comcast.net/~shannoncarr/pistols.jpg)
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Gank on May 21, 2010, 05:59:50 AM
I carry Canadian flags on my stuff....

Crooks know I am nice....

Crooks don't want that strange coloured money....

It seems to work fine.... though I wish I could carry my Para Ordnance Stainless Steel 45
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: fresh oil and pipes on May 21, 2010, 07:30:13 AM
Govenor vetoed the open carry bill. State houses trying to overide veto. Very interesting topic lots of positions and reasons I can aruge both sides pretty well but would prefer to have the option to strap on on.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: spydglide on May 21, 2010, 07:56:05 AM
That Black Talon ammo in your pic must be very old......haven't seen it for sale for years now.  Great ammo, wish they had not 'caved in' and taken it off the mkt.  :( spyder
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: VaEagle on May 21, 2010, 02:15:02 PM


I really like the feel of the XDm .40... but it is a little bigger, so do I sacrafice comfort for making it a bit less concealable...?

decisions decisions... lol

Hi Crusty,
I feel like a person should carry what is comfortable for them but most of all ,what they can consistently and accurately control. Concealability can be done with most handguns if the wardrobe is modified. It does require some modification for most people. things like looser pants,shirts, shirt tails out or a cover shirt/jacket etc.
I know this is a long thread that has been around several years but take a look at my post on page 5 (#69) for the measurements on the Glock 36 in .45  which I still feel is a fantastic concealed carry weapon.
I have carried for about 32 years and have carried just about everything in revolvers (.44 to .38) to semiautos (9mm to .45) and I think the Glock 36 is hard to beat for easy concealment, accurate, stopping power, fits many size hands (my daughter shoots it and I have very large hands -size 16 ring) and has a very durable finish that resist dust ,dirt, sweat, and holster wear. I also prefer a matte black finish for a concealment weapon since it's less visible.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: WestCoastRuss on May 21, 2010, 02:41:14 PM
That Black Talon ammo in your pic must be very old......haven't seen it for sale for years now.  Great ammo, wish they had not 'caved in' and taken it off the mkt.  :( spyder

The last time I bought a box it was $16.00 (quite awhile ago) a couple of weeks ago I saw a box for sale at a gun show in Reno, NV  $69.00 !!
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Crusty on May 21, 2010, 07:15:34 PM
Now if you have decided to carry a firearm , you should try to stick with one weapon style and one method of carry. This will help build muscle memory and under stress you will reach instintively to the same spot and activate the weapon in the same manner without thinking about how the weapon functions today vs. what you may have carried yesterday etc. It would be a shame if a shooting situation arose and all you grabbed was a love handle or armpit hair instead of your gun.Then get in lots of pratice wearing what you would in everyday carry. Jackets/chaps, boots etc. Also try different positions as if you were seated on the bike or in a car/truck. How easy is the weapon to draw?
Look at the average shooting situation and you will realize that they are fast,short distance and usually one or two on one. There are always strange senarios where one guy is against a gang at 100 yards but that is rare. You also are not very likely to fire more than a few rounds so make it count with accuracy but hit with the largest caliber you can accurately hit your intended target. Remember that person will not just drop like in the movies with one shot but the bigger the caliber the more likely it will happen with less rounds. You will be held legally responible for each and every shot you fire so overpenetration or a stray round hitting a bystander is a concern of course.
When carrying a weapon you need to be concerned with maintenace more frequently due to weather and things like sweat. The finnish should be very durable and not shiny so it will be less visible to others when you want it concealed.
I personally like the Glock model 36 as a potent package that is concealable and durable and accurate.
Caliber
.45 AUTO
System
Safe Action
   
 LENGTH
6.77in/172mm
HEIGHT
4.76in/121mm
   
 WIDTH
1.13in/28.5mm
Barrel Height
1.26in/32mm
   
 Line of Sight
6.18in/157mm

 
Barrel LENGTH
3.78in/96mm
   
 WEIGHT
20.11oz/570g
LOADED (~)
26.99oz/765g
   
 Mag. Capacity
6
Magazine Mass
Empty: 2.40oz./68g
Full: ~6.88oz/~195g
 
   
 Trigger Pull
5.5lbs/2.5kg
Trigger Travel
0.5in/12.5mm
   Expressly "thinned" for maximum concealability, its frame designed for an easy reach to the trigger for even the shortest adult fingers, this 7-shot .45 Auto is built with "maximum concealment with maximum power" in mind.
 
 Barrel Rifling
right hand, Octagonal
Length of Twist
9.84in/250mm
   
 Internal Locking System
Available
Number of Safeties
3
 


Definitely good info, worth repeating! I agree consistancy and practice are key. I'm a pretty good shooter, qualifying expert most of the times I fire, from the days of the .38 wheel gun, to the Barretta M9. I also have a Glock 19, but don't carry it (mostly because right now it is locked in my sister's safe in Texas and she doesn't remember the combo... lol). I am trying to find somewhere close that lets you rent/shoot before you buy, so I can see how accurate I can fire the subcompact XD .45... and I'll give the Glock a try. Last time I tried the subcompact Glock, the grip was too small, but I htink that was in 9mm or .40... will check out the .45.

Thanks for the great info!
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Fired00d on May 21, 2010, 07:57:32 PM
Definitely good info, worth repeating! I agree consistancy and practice are key. I'm a pretty good shooter, qualifying expert most of the times I fire, from the days of the .38 wheel gun, to the Barretta M9. I also have a Glock 19, but don't carry it (mostly because right now it is locked in my sister's safe in Texas and she doesn't remember the combo... lol). I am trying to find somewhere close that lets you rent/shoot before you buy, so I can see how accurate I can fire the subcompact XD .45... and I'll give the Glock a try. Last time I tried the subcompact Glock, the grip was too small, but I htink that was in 9mm or .40... will check out the .45.

Thanks for the great info!
I had a similar problem w/compact Glock's when I first held one of those... just didn't feel I had control (could hold) of them when shooting. I then found out you could use the full size magazines with an extended grip on them to give you more to hold on to.... however this was after I bought a fullsize Glock. As VaEagle mentioned earlier it's not that difficult to conceal full size handguns if you modify your wadrobe. I have a Glock 22 as a duty weapon and a S&W for off duty and find myself carrying the Glock most of the time. I had thought about the getting a Glock 21 (.45 cal) but after looking at the price of ammo and the ability to get (some) free .40 cal ammo I decided on getting the Glock 22. ;D

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Crusty on May 21, 2010, 08:30:24 PM
I had a similar problem w/compact Glock's when I first held one of those... just didn't feel I had control (could hold) of them when shooting. I then found out you could use the full size magazines with an extended grip on them to give you more to hold on to.... however this was after I bought a fullsize Glock. As VaEagle mentioned earlier it's not that difficult to conceal full size handguns if you modify your wadrobe. I have a Glock 22 as a duty weapon and a S&W for off duty and find myself carrying the Glock most of the time. I had thought about the getting a Glock 21 (.45 cal) but after looking at the price of ammo and the ability to get (some) free .40 cal ammo I decided on getting the Glock 22. ;D

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:

Free is good  :)

I know you CAN get stuff to cover larger frames... but ithere is certainly something to be said for something you could slip in the pocket of a pair of shorts, or under a light shirt. Guess I could always just get two!!   :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: spydglide on May 21, 2010, 08:43:37 PM
Rule #1.  ALWAYS use the weapon with FREE/AVAILABLE ammo.   har.  spyder
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Fired00d on May 21, 2010, 08:44:54 PM
Free is good  :)

I know you CAN get stuff to cover larger frames... but ithere is certainly something to be said for something you could slip in the pocket of a pair of shorts, or under a light shirt. Guess I could always just get two!!   :2vrolijk_21:
Guns are like mods on a motorcycle... it never ends. ;D ;D

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Fired00d on May 21, 2010, 08:47:00 PM
Rule #1.  ALWAYS use the weapon with FREE/AVAILABLE ammo.   har.  spyder
True dat!!! :2vrolijk_21:

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Crusty on May 22, 2010, 07:26:16 PM
For the XDm fans out there, got an email today confirming they have begun shipping the .45ACP to dealers!

Quote
Dear Valued Springfield Customer,

We have started shipping the new XD(M)™ 45ACP pistol to select ranges across the country. For a list of ranges where you can get your
hand on one, please click here: http://extranet.springfield-armory.com/downloads/xdm45range/
This list will be updated often, so please check back frequently.

For information and specs on the new XD(M)™ 45ACP, please click here:
 http://extranet.springfield-armory.com/downloads/45Release.pdf

If you would like to talk to Customer Service, please call 1-800-680-6866.

Have a great day,
Team Springfield
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: VaEagle on May 22, 2010, 11:13:50 PM
I have owned Springfield guns in the past and found them to be very accurate and dependable. That new .45 looks good but one thing to consider is the aggressive design of the grip. It would be nice in the hand and help control recoil or increase grip if hands are wet. The down side of such an aggressive grip is increased wear on shirts/vests or jackets due to fabric rubbing on the roughness. It could also be irritating to the skin if you use an inside the pants holster.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Crusty on May 22, 2010, 11:40:30 PM
I have owned Springfield guns in the past and found them to be very accurate and dependable. That new .45 looks good but one thing to consider is the aggressive design of the grip. It would be nice in the hand and help control recoil or increase grip if hands are wet. The down side of such an aggressive grip is increased wear on shirts/vests or jackets due to fabric rubbing on the roughness. It could also be irritating to the skin if you use an inside the pants holster.


Good points... definitely not an ideal concealed carry... but DAMN it is a sweet gun!
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Resbiker on May 24, 2010, 11:13:34 AM
I sure like my Sig Sauer 357, shoots a nice group, etc., but just big enough to be cumbersome under the jacket, and definitely harder to conceal when out of riding gear.  So, bought the 3"/3" Judge.  That's some pretty good firepower, but not as accurate as my semi.  Not impressed with the long colt .45 for 10 yard accuracy (groups at 7 o'clock), but sure do like the shotgun rounds available.  Again, ok to carry under the leather, but another bulky one for concealed use.  I guess I'll use it for in the Montana woods for a bear/cat/snake gun!  My older son, a police officer, likes his .40 cal Glock a lot.  Simple, clean lines.  I need to look a little closer for a true concealed piece.  The more you buy, the more you need to fire and train.....which isn't so bad!
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: dmnrdn on May 24, 2010, 10:55:55 PM
I sure like my Sig Sauer 357, shoots a nice group, etc., but just big enough to be cumbersome under the jacket, and definitely harder to conceal when out of riding gear.  So, bought the 3"/3" Judge.  That's some pretty good firepower, but not as accurate as my semi.  Not impressed with the long colt .45 for 10 yard accuracy (groups at 7 o'clock), but sure do like the shotgun rounds available.  Again, ok to carry under the leather, but another bulky one for concealed use.  I guess I'll use it for in the Montana woods for a bear/cat/snake gun!  My older son, a police officer, likes his .40 cal Glock a lot.  Simple, clean lines.  I need to look a little closer for a true concealed piece.  The more you buy, the more you need to fire and train.....which isn't so bad!

Take a look at the SIG 239.  I want something that puts whatever I am shooting at down for the count.  It fits great in the cargo pocket of my Harley cargo pants and in the regular pocket of my jeans.  I wear a loose fitting pair so no problem with printing.  Also fits in the pocket of all of my riding jackets.  Leather, Mesh, First Gear TPG and regular light jackets.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Resbiker on May 24, 2010, 11:14:37 PM
Thanks...I'll take a look.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: SBB on May 24, 2010, 11:18:42 PM
Take a look at the SIG 239.  I want something that puts whatever I am shooting at down for the count.  It fits great in the cargo pocket of my Harley cargo pants and in the regular pocket of my jeans.  I wear a loose fitting pair so no problem with printing.  Also fits in the pocket of all of my riding jackets.  Leather, Mesh, First Gear TPG and regular light jackets.

dmnrdn

Is the 239 available in 357sig?
I carry the 229 but like Resbiker said, it is a little bulky.

SBB
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: rottenroger on May 25, 2010, 11:56:18 AM
I'll second the Sig 239. I carry the 40 cal. It's available in 9mm and 357 sig also.
Very well made firearm and the grip fits my big meat hooks. I don't think you'll
be disappointed with pistol.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: skippy on May 25, 2010, 08:04:57 PM
Chip I have 2 boxes of 357 sig that was sold to me by mistake at wally world they will not take it back or exchange it  will give it to you if you will wash and wax the road glide  need to have it done asap so get your a$$ in gear... this is a good deal for you .... call if you can be here early in the am..... :pineapple: :pineapple: :pineapple:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: SBB on May 25, 2010, 09:00:58 PM
Chip I have 2 boxes of 357 sig that was sold to me by mistake at wally world they will not take it back or exchange it  will give it to you if you will wash and wax the road glide  need to have it done asap so get your a$$ in gear... this is a good deal for you .... call if you can be here early in the am..... :pineapple: :pineapple: :pineapple:

Skippy
As you know all my bikes shine and their all ridden.
Anyone can have a shiny bike if it gets more miles in a trailer than on the road.
What can shine will shine, even the ridden bikes.
But that only happens at the SBB Inn, Garage and Detail Shop.
Would love to help your SERG shine even more than it already does, in fact I enjoy cleaning and polishing on Jim's (Screamin) bike every time we get the pleasure of a visit from him.
Wednesday is booked for me but Thursday is open.
You have the number.


 :2vrolijk_21:

SBB


We can work the details later on the ammo.  ;)

 
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: dmnrdn on May 28, 2010, 12:22:41 AM
dmnrdn

Is the 239 available in 357sig?
I carry the 229 but like Resbiker said, it is a little bulky.

SBB

Sorry for the delay.  Been on the road all week

The 239 comes in 9MM  357SIG & 40S&W
http://sigsauer.com/Products/ShowCatalogProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=9&productid=71
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Resbiker on May 31, 2010, 10:58:07 PM
Gonna go shoot a Glock .45 cal model 36 tomorrow.  Heard they are hard to get. It looks like an ideal carry.  Anyone else have an opinion?
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: VaEagle on May 31, 2010, 11:40:46 PM
Gonna go shoot a Glock .45 cal model 36 tomorrow.  Heard they are hard to get. It looks like an ideal carry.  Anyone else have an opinion?

Good choice Resbiker.
Go back one page and read my post #1185 and the next couple of posts for info on carrying the Glock model 36.
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: bobaroni on June 01, 2010, 03:08:45 AM
Sig P239 in 40 for me. Got the P2340 Sig Pro in 357 Sig for open carry. Do I? No
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Resbiker on June 01, 2010, 01:35:24 PM
Good choice Resbiker.
Go back one page and read my post #1185 and the next couple of posts for info on carrying the Glock model 36.
Thanks for your reply...The subject of calibers is interesting... .45 cal for knockdown, .40 cal for knockdown & range accuracy, .357 sig for penetration & accuracy, .45 cal long colt/000 buckshot for the Judge.  And that's not even getting into magnum loads!  Here in Montana I need a good carry for the woods (bear, cats, & idiots) and something for the bike & car.  Wife likes her .38 S&W police, has a hard time racking my auto.  My police son has the Glock .40, & LAE seems to like that one. Tomorrow I'll put the .45 cal Glock 36 against my SigSauer .357 & see.  The Judge is all over the place after 7-8 yards! :-\
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Fired00d on June 03, 2010, 11:15:35 AM
Heck w/concealing it.... :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: rottenroger on June 03, 2010, 12:44:46 PM
The first six shots on the roll is OK, but reloading is a be-otch . :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Opossum on June 03, 2010, 04:37:19 PM
Heck w/concealing it.... :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
That's how we roll in Texas Boys! ;D
Title: Re: Do you carry?
Post by: Crusty on August 02, 2010, 08:45:23 AM
Finally picked up something new. I looked at all the choices, and the Taurus TCP felt most comfortable in my hand.

(http://ibmike.smugmug.com/Other/Misc/TCP/955606842_NaBQg-O.jpg)

Also scored a Crimson Trace for it off eBay for $160 shipped!

Now I just gotta find somewhere to go get familiar with it. (and get my CCW).
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Post by: Indenial on August 02, 2010, 01:54:50 PM
Is that the .380 or 9mm? I've seen them advertised, but never held one. Looks nice.
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Post by: Crusty on August 02, 2010, 03:55:16 PM
Is that the .380 or 9mm? I've seen them advertised, but never held one. Looks nice.

It is the 380.
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Post by: MY2NDCVO on August 02, 2010, 03:58:05 PM
Yes,
CROSSMAN Air Pistol.
  :nixweiss:   LOL
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Post by: Indenial on August 02, 2010, 08:56:34 PM
I carry the Ruger LCP daily (.380) and love it. Pretty accurate too. Kicks like a mule with +P loads in it.  You give up some caliber size for the advantage of being very concealable. Nice
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Post by: swat1 on August 02, 2010, 11:59:51 PM
Sig Sauer 1911
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Post by: Dyna mite on April 26, 2011, 10:33:50 AM
 YEAP !!!!   :2vrolijk_21:
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Post by: mrmagloo on April 26, 2011, 11:05:30 AM
It's too bad that in the Demo-Communist state of Illinois, you can go to another state to get a CCW license to exercise your 2nd amendment rights, that's good in 30 something other states but your own. Wisconsin being the only other state similarly situated will be correcting this soon.  Although Illinois has a CCW bill that's been floating around, the Democratic Machine is going all out to help protect the 'business interests' of the inner city criminals - Their bread and butter voters. Makes me sick.
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Post by: HogBreath on April 26, 2011, 11:09:49 AM
Finally picked up something new. I looked at all the choices, and the Taurus TCP felt most comfortable in my hand.

(http://ibmike.smugmug.com/Other/Misc/TCP/955606842_NaBQg-O.jpg)

Also scored a Crimson Trace for it off eBay for $160 shipped!

Now I just gotta find somewhere to go get familiar with it. (and get my CCW).

I've got a little S&W 380. I'm not partitularly fond of the gun, other than it's cheap ($150 or so 8 years ago), easy to conceal, and I can just toss it in the saddlebag, glove box, console, or my pocket if need be. Not a lot of firepower, but, It would sling out 5-6 rounds in a hurry.

I'm lucky, I can get familiar with it in my back yard.
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Post by: dayne66 on April 26, 2011, 03:11:10 PM
http://www.consolevault.us/harley-davidson-vault.php

thought this was kinda cool..... for those pesky states that might want it stored 'securely'.
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Post by: gg on April 26, 2011, 06:31:56 PM
If you conceal carry and get stopped by the cops and they ask you if you're carrying without a CCP in the state you're riding in, is it safe to assume you're pretty much dead meat and in deep ----?
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Post by: BUBBLEHEAD on April 26, 2011, 06:46:21 PM
DEpends several states will honor another states ccp
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Post by: BUBBLEHEAD on April 26, 2011, 06:48:10 PM
oh and yes. Sig  P229

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