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CVO Social => Other Topics => Topic started by: Cowboy2 on April 27, 2011, 10:15:23 PM
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Help for Downunder Harley Fan, Owner of 7 so far and 8th coming, battling the Goldwing enthusiasts.. HELP WITH SOME AMMO, BROTHERS...
They rag on that it is faster, made in America, more reliable, and has more luxury and features than even the CVO, and for less money... They rag on HD that it is half Japanese to, even nippondenso starter, blah blah...
I defend HD, saying Honda has no soul, no heritage of taking over for horses, and HD has that great sound we all thrive on... I tell them: "Honda is a convertible car missing two wheels and the doors"..... Heh he...
They argue against the sound, saying they could make it louder but they like the quiet run, I argue "Loud Pipes Save Lives"... Running out of ammo now....
Now I have some American Heritage in my blood, I feel loyalty to the first and biggest, HD.. But they are British Heritage for the most part, and do not give a whit about HD being American, if anything it mean unrealiable to them.. Looking at their practical side, comfort and speed, total reliability, and the advice of the Professional Bikers and Motorcycle Instructors, I kind of lose the arguments as they say the Honda is smoother, faster, more comfortable, more luxury, more reliable, and even costs less money. For a pure Touring Bike they have a strong point, not for me, but they win for most...
Brothers in America, any more AMMO to pass my way?
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Don't bother defending Harley. Just ride yours and enjoy them. They're only trying to get a rise out of you. We all know why we ride Harleys. Not saying that Gold Wings blow, just that if I can only have one, it will be HD.
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Spent some time on my buddies GW. In alot of ways they are right, However, It AIN'T A HARLEY. Something just didn't inspire me. I'll stick to HD they can ride whatever they want, I'll even ride with em. Not a problem :2vrolijk_21:
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Well I do ride with them.... And you are right... It is just that the HD has a Soul to it, the big V-Twin sound, a cultural Heritage...
But on practical matters they win.. They sit at breakfast wanting to know about my new Tourer coming in winter, and I mention I will be looking forward to the heated grips and seat as it arrives in the dead of winter (our winter is July)... And their back handed comment is that: "It is nice to see the technology of HD is finally catching up with the Goldwing..." Grrrrrrrrrrr....
To whit I say: "But it is a Honda... There were HD Tourers around before Honda was in existence..." Anyway, hoping for some better ammo, angles... :beerchug: Don't know if you catch it over there with the big Honda Tourers.. They clain there is getting to be more Goldwing Tourers than HD Tourers...
I am sure it is just to get a rise out of me, guess what, it works.. :furious3: :xyxthumbs:
Help !
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I agree with Buy early,
Trying to defend a bike decision is a no win situation. Too many variables and in the long run hurt all riders by creating division.
Like some riders won't wave or talk to someone if they aren't on the "right brand" of bike etc.
FYI the Goldwing is now made in Japan not the US.
I think we need to accept that each brand has some good points and each one has bad points. After all they all have service departments and warranties.
To me the issue boils down to the question "Why do you ride?" some do it for dependable transportation and others out of memories of the past,image, or how it moves their soul.
The emotional reasons are the ones that can't be rationalized away. And to a rational thinker the economics make their decision for them and they will not get the emotional aspects.
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I had a GW for a sort time (one month) But I'm sorry this 2011CVO will beat that GW hands down,
I enjoy the ride of the HD Way over the GW, The HD is alot essayer to keep Service, It don't mater what you Ride They will still stare at the HD over the GW, and Most people including the Girls Like the Sound and the ride of the HD.
If those GW's would ever man up and get a HD they would never go back;
Not sure if that sound Right
Keep the Chrome on the Shinny side
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I had a GW for a sort time (one month) But I'm sorry this 2011CVO will beat that GW hands down,
If those GW's would ever man up and get a HD they would never go back;
Ha! Ha! NOW THAT IS GOOD AMMO coming from a prior GW owner... heh he... :2vrolijk_21: I am still chuckling... good one.. great joke. :coolblue:
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The experience of riding both are different and the Harley sound and experience in my opinion is much better.
The Harley is certainly not more refined, but neither were Jaguar XKE's, Shelby Cobra's or Rolls Royce.
They were more art than technology and you can customize Harley's to make it yours.
Customize Honda's, I do not think so unless you consider adding more Generic "plastic" chrome.
Tuning? No
sound? that is the biggest joke......
Honda's are a great "appliance" and really are reliable transportation, but will never receive that appeal that Harley has (deserved or not)
I have owned and ridden both and will not go back to a Honda.
It is like arguing the point whether a picture or a painting is better.
Picture more accurate, more information,
but a painting is emotion, feeling and so much more than a picture.
I have had this argument with a friend that is a Honda salesman.
He cannot get his head around the idea why would you chose a product that seems to lose on every technical point.
I then explain to him that is his problem, not mine.
It drives him crazy.
bottom line
The best argument is........that it is not a Harley.
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$.02: Honda makes a great product but I agree with statement above, it has no soul. There is simply no comparison to the Harley experince. I have found that no matter where I go on the bike people want to talk to me. I suspect we have all had the same experience. So many times when I have stopped someone walks up and tell me how bad they would like to have one. People call out to me at stop lights exclaiming, "what a beautiful bike." To say the least that makes me feel lucky and grateful. Call it a fraternity or a brotherhood, when you are on a Harley you are in. There is nothing on earth like the Harley experience.
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personally I wouldn't step in that sort of argument ;)
But if that's the sort of ammo you are looking for: the last GoldWing made in USA was produced somewhen mid of 2009 - it took Honda till today to sell it ;D
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All their points are true. For that matter same goes for my old 1984 Venture royale...but... My SERG has a soul, it connects to me, and everywhere I go people want to see it... never happened on my Japanese bikes.
The GW is an excellent motorcycle... just not for me
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I don't argue with Honda owner's, since I tend to agree with most of their points. They have much better engineering, quality, and reliability on their side; Harley has "soul" and "style". If I decided to set out on a cross country ride through desolate territory, guess which characteristics I'd prefer? Maybe the answer is to own one of each, a Honda for serious riding and a Harley for posing at the various watering holes and events. :nixweiss:
This is one of those arguments that serves no useful purpose. Best way to shut them up is to refuse to play the game.
Jerry
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This is one of those arguments that serves no useful purpose. Best way to shut them up is to refuse to play the game.
Jerry
Thank you Jerry!
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It's still fun banter........
You won't see this on a Goldwing
(http://allharleyparts.com/wp-content/uploads/harley-babes-3.jpg)
I'd rather ride steel to a HOG rally than plastic to a wing ding.
They stop for ice cream, Harley riders stop for cheeseburgers and beer.
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Simple answer... "If you have to explain, they wouldn't understand."
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Simple answer... "If you have to explain, they wouldn't understand."
:2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21:
(http://www.otterbein.org/uploads/image/btn_video_lebanon.jpg)
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Ditto Grizzly
They have no comprehension of "what it is"
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Simple answer... "If you have to explain, they wouldn't understand."
Absolutely!
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Simple answer... "If you have to explain, they wouldn't understand."
simple answer 2...." You meet the sadist people on a honda" that,s a 60,s slogan from the honda company for u younger guy
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Help for Downunder Harley Fan, Owner of 7 so far and 8th coming, battling the Goldwing enthusiasts.. HELP WITH SOME AMMO, BROTHERS...
They rag on that it is faster, made in America, more reliable, and has more luxury and features than even the CVO, and for less money... They rag on HD that it is half Japanese to, even nippondenso starter, blah blah...
I defend HD, saying Honda has no soul, no heritage of taking over for horses, and HD has that great sound we all thrive on... I tell them: "Honda is a convertible car missing two wheels and the doors"..... Heh he...
They argue against the sound, saying they could make it louder but they like the quiet run, I argue "Loud Pipes Save Lives"... Running out of ammo now....
Now I have some American Heritage in my blood, I feel loyalty to the first and biggest, HD.. But they are British Heritage for the most part, and do not give a whit about HD being American, if anything it mean unrealiable to them.. Looking at their practical side, comfort and speed, total reliability, and the advice of the Professional Bikers and Motorcycle Instructors, I kind of lose the arguments as they say the Honda is smoother, faster, more comfortable, more luxury, more reliable, and even costs less money. For a pure Touring Bike they have a strong point, not for me, but they win for most...
Brothers in America, any more AMMO to pass my way?
1. Honda isn't making any more GW's in America--shut down.
2. What about parts availability? Will they eventually float to shore?
3. If I wanted to ride a sofa I would stay home.
4. I think Hover Round bought out the GW Brand. Now the "cotton tops" and "old wobblies" are forming GW riding clubs.
That should hold you for awhile.
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Point them to this link and have them click on the powerpoint file: http://homepage.mac.com/carpetback/iblog/C1092550249/E20070601232903/index.html
Enough said!
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When's the last time you saw a group of bikers at a bar all wearing Honda T-shirts? THE MUFFMAN
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If you have to justify why you bought or what you ride, it just shows that you made the wrong decision. I don't have to justify what I ride. I ride it, I love it, and the hot chicks seem to think I made the right choice. ;D ;D
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Saw a t-shirt at a rally once, "Jap Bikes are Like Soft Porn...Why Make 'Em", should of bought it. :huepfenjump3:
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simple answer 2...." You meet the sadist people on a honda" that,s a 60,s slogan from the honda company for u younger guy
... saddest? or really "sadist" ... hmmmmmm...
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Any Motor officer will tell you, you can't do this on a Wing:
(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/calsport05/practice.jpg)
Actually you could, but it would be a 30' circle
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Insert GW where you see BMW below..
When I bought my CVO FLTRUSE, a good friend and BMW rider said to me, "Geez Simon, for $40k you could have bought two BMWs" to which I replied, "Dale, you don't understand. I fit on a Harley. I don't fit on a BMW."
I had 3 different rice burners before I bought my first Harley. I have never been more comfortable on a bike than I am on my Harley. And if you aren't perfectly fit to your Harley, you can modify it to fit you. How many times have you seen engine guards, highway pegs or aftermarket handlebars on a GW or BMW?
Just saying.....
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My best friend owns 8 Hondas (3 Valkyries, a classic early Gold Wing, a vintage 750, a Rune, and 2 CBX's). All great bikes, but they aren't Harleys. He has told me stories about his trip to the Honda Hoot (that brings in the outlaws) and how when the groups of Wings go by you can continue to talk in a whisper and carry on a conversation. In some ways that's cool, in some ways it's not engaging.
One of the cooler motorcycle sights I have seen was a BMW rally 33 years ago. 50+ touring bimmers, most with trailers, couples with matching leathers. They drove by with nary a disturbance in the force. Very cool to see, but Sturgis is cooler.
One of the things that is great about free countries is folks get to drive what they like. You don't have to justify your choice. It's always fun to argue Mustang vs Camaro, Hemi vs big block Chevy, Ferrari vs Porsche, HD vs whatever. Just ride what you want and be content with what you have (after a certain number of mods of course).
You might want to show your buddies the HD P&A catalog and a few of the finer publications having to do with the HD lifestyle. The Wing community has a small percentage of that type of market. Just beware that they might tell you it is because a stock HD isn't as good as a stock Wing.
Most on this forum would agree that even a stock CVO isn't as good as we want it to be.
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Tell them: Motorcycles are like women.
Goldwing and the heavy plain girl with a good personality: less trouble, comfortable, reliable, costs less, easier, relationship lasts longer, way more practical, boring...
Harley and the Hot girl: more trouble, way more high maintenance, less reliable, way more expensive, more fun to look at, more fun to ride, gets a whole lot more attention, have the uncanny ability to make us want to spend money on them, exciting...
Feel free to add to my lists...
Keep it in good fun, it's not about what brand you ride.
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First...tell them to buy you a cold beer and you will explain. After the beer is delivered start talking about everything else except HD while drinking it.
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saddest was what i was going for -ak
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First...tell them to buy you a cold beer and you will explain. After the beer is delivered start talking about everything else except HD while drinking it.
Ah...the voice of experience! :D
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Here's what they're saying..... http://www.goldwingfacts.com/forums/forum4/50678.html
I used to have a Goldwing. I'm tall and felt crunched up on it. My knees ached from having my feet behind me. The boxer engine with chrome guard made it impossible to stretch my legs out. I cracked my shins on the motor nearly every time I stopped. I like laying back against the back rest with my feet in front of me now. The one thing I miss the most is a center stand.
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My experience:
I tell them we'll park the bikes twenty feet apart. You pay me a quarter for every minute someone looks at mine and I'll give you a dollar for every one spent looking at yours. No takers.
If someone says they used to have a bike and you ask if it was a Harley - and it was - they will enthusiastically tell you about it no matter if they had to push it half the time. On the other hand, you'll hear, "No, it was just a Honda". New advertising slogan: "Just a Honda".
Go to the Honda Hoot (brand-specific rally) and see how many persons have 'Honda' tattooed on them.
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Here's what they're saying..... http://www.goldwingfacts.com/forums/forum4/50678.html
I used to have a Goldwing. I'm tall and felt crunched up on it. My knees ached from having my feet behind me. The boxer engine with chrome guard made it impossible to stretch my legs out. I cracked my shins on the motor nearly every time I stopped. I like laying back against the back rest with my feet in front of me now. The one thing I miss the most is a center stand.
I put on a center stand, good for wheel cleaning, I hear tell from those that clean them.
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Walk up to them at gas stops and say "can you make me a cappuccino?" Then look at their dash and say "hey, you have mail".
One of my best friends rides a 'Wing and we trade bikes all the time. It's a really nice bike and I enjoy riding it, but like every other bike I get on it feels slow to me.
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I really can't believe that people are defending or comparing a Harley with a Goldwing! Why?
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I put on a center stand, good for wheel cleaning, I hear tell from those that clean them.
We're supposed to clean them? :o
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Dlaws01, It may not be apparent to you if you are not riding a Tourer...
But in the Tourer class of scooter, as an HD Owner, if you ride with them you get asked, and it is nice to have some answers because they don't get it here in Australia.. Without valuing the Heritage, and Soul, and sound of the Harley, on a practical level almost in every aspect the Goldwing Honda is better, faster, cheaper, smoother, more luxury, more features, and so on...
They ask why would we ride a Harley, because it is not in their Heritage... It is nice to have some angles on answers that make sense to them. As a HD man, when they ask about the new CVO I have ordered, and you tell them about looking forward to some of the options, they constantly niggle "Nice to see they are catching up to the Goldwing in technology..." Niggle niggle niggle, in truth they don't get it. Some of the Posts here explain whey..
You can ignore it, but the 40 posts here are responses about angles to tell them... You never know, might make some converts.. heh he..
Anyway, there is your why......
And Thanks to you who posted ideas, there were some good ones in there. For me, particularly to an English Guy on a Goldwing, I had not thought of the Classic angle, the why drive a Rolls Royce or on Jaguar, for the artform and heritage. A Honda car would be cheaper and more practical, but just like with the Harley, the Honda has no Soul... heh he...
Best Regards, Cowboy
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I have had GW's and the only reason I bought them was to resell them to guys like your talking about that think they are great and sooo much better than a Harley. I love those guys, I make a lot of money off them. One thought he had the fastest GL1800 around and challenged me one day leaving Barber Motorsports. I ate him up much to his wide eyed surprise. Everyone with us dogs him about it to this day. They are a total different bike than a Harley. If I ever get to the point I cannot hold up a bike or turn the throtle I may consider a GW trike, they do make the best looking trike with a champion or california side car independent kit.
Tell the guys you are talking to they really don't know what they are talking about.
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It was mentioned earlier about the looks. But I have to say, Harleys are very social. One of my favorite things to do is come from work, hop on the bike, end up 30 miles from home and stop at any place with a couple bikes outside and have a beer with the locals. Never disappointing. Its just not the same stopping for ice cream.
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I've had Honda's when I couldn't afford a Harley...(thats why my cat is named Harley) but I can honestly say when I hop on my harley I smile the whole time. Chit I don't even smile that much on my Buell. That never happened on a Honda.
If you want something exciting between your legs hop on a harley "you have to get on to get off" :bananarock:
"Life Begins When You Get One"
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My Harley dealer told me he hasn't had anyone come in and ask for a Harley that looks like Honda. :orange: :orange:
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Chicks dig Harleys. They ask for a ride. How is that working out for the Wingers?
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Just tell them riding a GW is like getting a BJ from a transvestite.... They're both fun until your friends catch you doing it
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Having owned HD for nearly a half century, they are my ride pure and simple. However, if you're basing everything on emotion or mechanics, than it is a different story. Every cycle magazine, for what it's worth, has named the Goldwing the best tourer ever made. However, the new BMW tourer may take it's place.
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Just tell them riding a GW is like getting a BJ from a transvestite.... They're both fun until your friends catch you doing it
HMMMMM!!! how would you know this :-*
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you ride a goldwing. you soak up a ride on hd ultra. its not ho-hum on a harley. that hd has soul the goldwing will never have. the goldwings are great machines just not for me ;) pull into any resturant,gas station or rest stop and see who gets all the attention.
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It's still fun banter........
You won't see this on a Goldwing
(http://allharleyparts.com/wp-content/uploads/harley-babes-3.jpg)
I'd rather ride steel to a HOG rally than plastic to a wing ding.
They stop for ice cream, Harley riders stop for cheeseburgers and beer.
Something tells me that Harley seats smells better then Honda seats :o I'll stick with a Harley :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21:
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I simply say that I enjoy bitching about things. And having a Harley allow me ample areas to bitch about: management, dealers, quality issues, fill-in-blank, etc.
All kidding aside, GW all look the same. No way to really customize them. The bikes we ride reflect our personality. In Japan, it is about conformity. In USA, it is was about personal freedom and liberty.
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Ya know...with so many of you guys carrying....just shoot 'em...that'll shut 'em up!
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When, rarely, someone starts to tell me how great their g.w. is over my Harley I generally, unless they're huge, tell em to go eff themselves and find someone who cares. :soapbox:
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You know, I've heard alot of Goldwing Owners say, "Yea, I could have bought a Harley!!!"
Never heard a Harley Owner say, "Yea, I could have bought a Goldwing!!!"
I think Goldwing production has been moved back to Japan....
napalm
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That 'bout sums it up!
You know, I've heard alot of Goldwing Owners say, "Yea, I could have bought a Harley!!!"
Never heard a Harley Owner say, "Yea, I could have bought a Goldwing!!!"
I think Goldwing production has been moved back to Japan....
napalm
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Never heard a Harley Owner say, "Yea, I could have bought a Goldwing!!!"
Ya know, I also never heard a new Goldwing owner say "My brand new bike spends more time in the shop than at home" or "I put my bike on the dyno and it scissored a crank" or "I have 5000 miles and .008" crank run-out" or "My valve train sounds like and idling diesel" or "My oil pump exploded" or "My compensator is bad" or "I'm on my third engine" or "I'm afraid to go too far from home"... all of which you can read on this very site in reference to not just Harleys, but Harley's flagship CVO line.
People in glass houses and all that...
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Ya know, I also never heard a new Goldwing owner say...
H-D sells about 300,000 bikes per year. I would guess (and it is a guess) that they are the largest motorcycle producer in the world. As with any product, you hear more about problems then you do when there is no problem. I am sure if I dug through the other motorcycle sites that deal with any of the other bike I would see a list of issues too.
I am also sure you never heard a Goldwing rider say...I added a hopped up set of cams, bored out the engine, flowed the heads, etc. You hear that here because you can do it on a Harley. I am sure that it is not done on a GW.
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H-D sells about 300,000 bikes per year. I would guess (and it is a guess) that they are the largest motorcycle producer in the world. As with any product, you hear more about problems then you do when there is no problem. I am sure if I dug through the other motorcycle sites that deal with any of the other bike I would see a list of issues too.
I am also sure you never heard a Goldwing rider say...I added a hopped up set of cams, bored out the engine, flowed the heads, etc. You hear that here because you can do it on a Harley. I am sure that it is not done on a GW.
Visit the Goldwing forums and do some research on that. Goldwings are reliable like a Swiss watch. As far as performance upgrades, there are none for a Goldwing... but... I suggest you don't race one. My buddy drags his and it runs 13.teens all day long, bone stock.
If you want to do performance upgrades to your HD, you better beef up the bottom end first. When you get to the point of making the same power as a Goldwing you'll be pushing your luck that it will hold together.
You're absolutely right, the Goldwing is an appliance... but like it or not, that bike is the yardstick that touring bikes are measured with. That bike will haul ass and will handle and will stop with confidence... and the engine is strong and reliable. I have no problem with that, and I have to wonder why you do?
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but like it or not, that bike is the yardstick that touring bikes are measured with.
That no soul, no personality plastic civic in drag may be the yardstick you measure by but don't think you speak for everyone.
You certainly don't speak for me and most likely don't speak for the bulk of the members of this forum.
I hope you don't have a problem with that, and if your unhappy here or want to know more about your yardstick please check out this site http://www.gwrra.org
They are always looking for new wing dingers!
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Half Crazy, are you sure you don't work for a Honda dealer?
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This is a weird thread. To begin with why care enough what a bunch of Wingers are saying to waste the time to think up a response. You ride what you ride because you like. Screw everyone else. As for the rest of the "no soul" weirdness the machines are all just collections of metals, plastics and paints. The overall look and sound of the Harley may be such that we like it better at some emotional level. But we like it better. A lot better perhaps. That's the only reason that matters. Justifying that to some other clown sounds a little insecure. "Soul" or other such yutzi reasonings are all just proof that advertising works.
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That no soul, no personality plastic civic in drag may be the yardstick you measure by but don't think you speak for everyone.
You certainly don't speak for me and most likely don't speak for the bulk of the members of this forum.
I hope you don't have a problem with that, and if your unhappy here or want to know more about your yardstick please check out this site http://www.gwrra.org
They are always looking for new wing dingers!
Half Crazy, are you sure you don't work for a Honda dealer?
I don't understand why members of this forum should have any trouble discussing this without getting their feelings hurt. I don't own a Goldwing either, but I know it's one hell of a motorcycle. It doesn't take anything away from Harley for Honda to make a good bike.
But we like it better. That's the only reason that matters. Justifying that to some other clown sounds a little insecure. "Soul" or other such yutzi reasonings are all just proof that advertising works
You must admit that different engines have a different 'character'. I prefer twins and triples myself. You can never inject that 'character' into a flat 6 cylinder. To me, what defines the motorcycle is the motor.
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You must admit that different engines have a different 'character'.
Absolutely. Different engines have entirely different characteristics. Some of those attributes we like much more than others; even if we don't always know why. They can just feel or sound in some way right or good.
I remember reading an article in some bike rag several years ago making the case that the cadence of a Harley engine somehow was in rhythm with the human heartbeat (or some other bodily function) and as a result we automatically found ourselves in tune with the staccato beat that goes "potato potato potato." Have now idea if that's bubkus or not. I do now, however, that the a well running Harley engine is an engine that I like the sound and feel of. Just like I like the slightly lopey slow idle of a well tuned big block Chevy or a few others that could be listed. But "why" I like them? That's like putting a lot of wasted intellectual effort in to considering why I like beer or girls. Some things are just good :2vrolijk_21: !
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considering why I like girls.
I did not know that..................
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I did not know that..................
LOL
And beer. You forgot beer.
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Hey Mate, I purchased my first Harley while assigned to an office in Fyshwick, ACT, just outside Canberra. The company I was assigned to was next to Robbo's H-D before Harley decided to "organize" the business there. Everyone had an H-D and I got to live my life long dream by purchasing my first ever Harley there and bringing it back to the US with me. I rode in a mixed group of bikes with some GW's (we kept them in the back of the pack) and when we would ride through any town people would come out of their homes to wave at us and give us the thumbs up. Elderly groups in busses would watch us drive by and they would all smile and wave. However, when the tail end charlies in our group arrived in view they all got the single digit salute. On one occasion two kids, one in diapers, came racing out of their house to watch us drive through and when they saw the Honda's in tow in unison they slammed their right hand to the left fore-arm in a truly negative salute. Now where in the world can anyone not think that a Harley isn't the icon people think of when you say "motocycle"!? Particularly in Australia!
In Australia everyone has a rebel attitude deep down and those that feel the sound, like hearing a good bagpiper, it will chill them to the bone with excitement. The Harley has always been viewed as a "rebel" ride and to this day no one tries to change that image. You can't get anyone to say that owning a GW has the same affect on the people around them as much as it affects the person riding a Harley has.
Put on your Southern Cross shirt and hop on your ride and let them be envious!
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when we would ride through any town people would come out of their homes to wave at us and give us the thumbs up. Elderly groups in busses would watch us drive by and they would all smile and wave. However, when the tail end charlies in our group arrived in view they all got the single digit salute. Now where in the world can anyone not think that a Harley isn't the icon people think of when you say "motocycle"!? Particularly in Australia!
Sorry, Mate, but I don't spend my money with an eye toward what other people will think of me, especially people who don't actually ride motorcycles or know anything about motorcycles (or little kids in diapers). Some people seem to think that owning a certain motorcycle will make them cool or that chicks will suddenly dig them. A dork on a $150,000 custom motorcycle is still a dork. A cool guy on a Vespa step-thru is still a cool guy. I find it sad that someone would have such low self esteem that they actually believe owning some iconic brand of motorcycle will transform them from Richie Cunningham into Fonzie overnight.
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Sorry, Mate, but I don't spend my money with an eye toward what other people will think of me, especially people who don't actually ride motorcycles or know anything about motorcycles (or little kids in diapers). Some people seem to think that owning a certain motorcycle will make them cool or that chicks will suddenly dig them. A dork on a $150,000 custom motorcycle is still a dork. A cool guy on a Vespa step-thru is still a cool guy. I find it sad that someone would have such low self esteem that they actually believe owning some iconic brand of motorcycle will transform them from Richie Cunningham into Fonzie overnight.
;D Right on the money! Not all Harley riders fit this scenario of course, but I can attest to having known or met plenty who thought just because they bought a Harley they were suddenly the coolest thing on planet earth. As mentioned earlier, it's amazing what marketing can do.
Jerry
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Sorry, Mate, but I don't spend my money with an eye toward what other people will think of me, especially people who don't actually ride motorcycles or know anything about motorcycles (or little kids in diapers). Some people seem to think that owning a certain motorcycle will make them cool or that chicks will suddenly dig them. A dork on a $150,000 custom motorcycle is still a dork. A cool guy on a Vespa step-thru is still a cool guy. I find it sad that someone would have such low self esteem that they actually believe owning some iconic brand of motorcycle will transform them from Richie Cunningham into Fonzie overnight.
An ugly dork on a $150,000 or a $5,000 Harley will get laid, though. Been a lotta' places, seen a lotta' things. Ain't never seen or heard of an ugly dork on a jap bike havin' to beat the women offn' him. There endeth the lesson. ;) Later--HUBBARD
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I don't recall ever getting laid because of what I ride/drive...I drove VW Beetles for years when I was in my 20's, and can assure everyone that I never once got laid because I was driving one...same with whatever bike I've had at any given point in my life.
Gold Wings are really great bikes for what they are intended to do, which is touring, and frankly, they are probably the best bike for that singular purpose (to date). But, they aren't perfect either, or Traxxion Dynamics would not be doing hundreds of upgrades to the brakes and suspension each year...their Gold Wing market is HUGE. I like HD bikes because I think they look better, and I like the way the engine feels/sounds. Pretty simple. They are far from perfect though, but that's OK by me.
I've always relied on other "talents" to get women I was interested in getting, and have never needed any help from "objects"...at least not yet ;)
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I don't recall ever getting laid because of what I ride/drive...I drove VW Beetles for years when I was in my 20's, and can assure everyone that I never once got laid because I was driving one...same with whatever bike I've had at any given point in my life.
I ride Harleys (now that I can afford to) and still drive a '72 VW Bug almost daily......works for me. :-* :P har. spyder
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This is a weird thread. To begin with why care enough what a bunch of Wingers are saying to waste the time to think up a response. You ride what you ride because you like. Screw everyone else. As for the rest of the "no soul" weirdness the machines are all just collections of metals, plastics and paints. The overall look and sound of the Harley may be such that we like it better at some emotional level. But we like it better. A lot better perhaps. That's the only reason that matters. Justifying that to some other clown sounds a little insecure. "Soul" or other such yutzi reasonings are all just proof that advertising works.
This has turned very weird................
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HARLEY is a way of life...you dont just get a bike when you buy one.
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One of the things about owing and riding any motorcycle is pride of ownership, kinship to those who ride what you ride and whether we admit it on threads like this one or not, kinship with anyone on two wheels. We hold out two fingers when we pass anyone on another motorcycle. But we still take pride in our ride and whether it's serious or in jest, like to pick at those who ride something different - - whether it be a Honda loyalist trash talking a Harley rider or whatever. Spend some time around serious Ducati folks if you really want attitude LOL ! I mostly get a chuckle out of it all perhaps with the exception of the older Honda guys who don't know what a new H-D is like and think they still rattle themselves apart after a couple hundred miles. Mostly I smile at them and ask them if they'd like to ride to New Orleans for some Jamablaya.
B B
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I wave and am friendly with all bike and trike riders. They got their money and their bikes so be it. You ain't gonna convince those blokes that your is as good so go the other way.
Tell them they are one eyed mullet eating wankers and GWs are are great for sheila's and with little dipsticks. Let them know that if they traveled the world over they would discover that mature men with well defined masculine self images prefer Harleys. :huepfenlol2:
G'day and Good Hunting.
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Any Motor officer will tell you, you can't do this on a Wing:
(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/calsport05/practice.jpg)
Actually you could, but it would be a 30' circle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1MlK5VPZ84&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nhn1gOPSRI&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nrMQ3QwyPo&feature=related
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I have friend who has three, "what used to be Harley's".
He has re-built all of them in different styles, but always with the same goal, to replace as many of the Harley parts as possible with 3rd party parts.
The only remaining Harley part on his latest build is now apparently the gearbox!
First I have no clue if this is common, so please fill me in, but more interestingly after reading this thread I wonder where the Harley community would "position" his bikes?
Sorry no pics, but they do look really cool, but could hardly have any Harley Soul left in them, or could they?
A Harley with an S&S engine, is that still a cool Harley?
Hmmm. Deep Stuff!!!
Conclusion ==> Love YOUR Bike for whatever reason that makes sense to you!
So to return to the topic of the thread, if those GW owners still insist on wanting to know why you ride a Harley, it's probably just because they are not convinced that they made the right choice themselves. So please don't return their questions ;)
The 2011 Convertible in Maple is worlds best bike ever!!,.....FOR ME! For Now!! :P
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Remember, if I have to explain, you wouldn't understand......
napalm
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The 2011 Convertible in Maple is worlds best bike ever!!,.....FOR ME! For Now!! :P
Pegus
Great post!
SBB
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I never got laid because of my Honda.
Come to think of it, I never got laid becuse of my Harley neither.
Oh yea, I'm a virgin.
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Really ? You can't lay a Honda over like that ?
Well that explains why I crashed so much from 13 -19 yrs old riding Hondas
Thank you Mr Half_Crazy. I've been wondering about this for going on 40 yrs
B B
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I never got laid because of my Honda.
How 'bout IN a Honda?... :love_1:.....or ON a Honda? :o Or, by a Honda :nervous: Har! spyder (just trying to keep with the :zthread: of this thread)
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I never got laid because of my Honda.
Come to think of it, I never got laid becuse of my Harley neither.
Oh yea, I'm a virgin.
That splains them funny pants you wear :P
B B
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How 'bout IN a Honda?... :love_1:.....or ON a Honda? :o Or, by a Honda :nervous: Har! spyder (just trying to keep with the :zthread: of this thread)
How about IN a '69 Karmann Ghia? Sometimes it helps to be 5'8" ;) :huepfenjump3:
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Sorry, Mate, but I don't spend my money with an eye toward what other people will think of me, especially people who don't actually ride motorcycles or know anything about motorcycles (or little kids in diapers). Some people seem to think that owning a certain motorcycle will make them cool or that chicks will suddenly dig them. A dork on a $150,000 custom motorcycle is still a dork. A cool guy on a Vespa step-thru is still a cool guy. I find it sad that someone would have such low self esteem that they actually believe owning some iconic brand of motorcycle will transform them from Richie Cunningham into Fonzie overnight.
And a cool guy on a Vespa is still a dork!!
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Really ? You can't lay a Honda over like that ?
Well that explains why I crashed so much from 13 -19 yrs old riding Hondas
Thank you Mr Half_Crazy. I've been wondering about this for going on 40 yrs
What are you talking about? Trapper said you couldn't... I showed that indeed you can. Are you posting on your phone and can't see the quotes?
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And a cool guy on a Vespa is still a dork!!
You're right, the bike makes the man.... ::)
I drove a forest green '73 Pinto station wagon with wood grain side panels. My buddy drove a '71 'Vette. I got more by accident than he got on purpose. Why? The 'Vette didn't make up for the fact that he was a dork, had no game, and he was broke (blew all his money on the car).... While I had a crappy car, but lots of self-confidence, a pocket full of cash, and a girl on each arm. Go figure.
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Harley makes a touring bike by taking a Road King and bolting on touring gear/electronics.
Other manufacturers have the advantage of starting with a blank sheet of paper and designing a touring rig from scratch. Bikes like the BMW K/LT and their new 6 cylinder tourer, the Goldwing, and even the Victory Vision were purpose-built tourers. Less compromises that way.
Not to take anything away from Harley, or to say they are not good bikes to tour on, just pointing out the reasons why things are the way they are. Sometimes being a slave to tradition can be a disadvantage.
In my group of usual suspects we have Ultra Classics and we have 'Wings and we have a Royal Star Tour Deluxe. The Harleys, even with stage 1 + cams, are out-gunned by the multi-cylinder bikes when it comes to performance. However, most of the guys prefer the HDs anyway.
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Harley makes a touring bike by taking a Road King and bolting on touring gear/electronics.
Other manufacturers have the advantage of starting with a blank sheet of paper and designing a touring rig from scratch. Bikes like the BMW K/LT and their new 6 cylinder tourer, the Goldwing, and even the Victory Vision were purpose-built tourers. Less compromises that way.
Actually, the RoadKing came about as a stripped down touring model, not the other way around. Look back at the old Electra Glides and DuoGlides before the RoadKings were 'birthed'. :2vrolijk_21: spyder
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Actually, the RoadKing came about as a stripped down touring model, not the other way around. Look back at the old Electra Glides and DuoGlides before the RoadKings were 'birthed'. :2vrolijk_21: spyder
True, I should have said E-Glide. Still, all the same chassis, just add/take away 'stuff'.
In any case a full-on touring rig is not my thing. I like bikes that are more raw, at least for now. No telling what will happen if/when I grow up...
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Actually, the RoadKing came about as a stripped down touring model, not the other way around. Look back at the old Electra Glides and DuoGlides before the RoadKings were 'birthed'. :2vrolijk_21: spyder
The orginal H-D baggers, the FL series that survives to this day were the ONLY H-D's made until the Sportster was introduced in the 50's. That frame was designated XL. Around 1971 or so if memory serves, Willie G Davidson put an XL front end on an FL frame along with a one piece seat rear fender and the FX or "Super Glide" was born. FL's with internal fairings and enclosed electronics did not show up until the 80's. I owned a 1984 FLH "Electra-Glide" aka King of The Road. It came with a unadorned detachable fairing, fiberglass saddlebags and big fenders, floorboards, heel/toe shifter, automobile style brake pedal etc. H-D offered a FLH Sport at that time. It came with no windshield or saddlebags. You don't see very many of them around any more. About the time H-D began putting Evo motors in their FL series lineup, Honda was selling Goldwings with two piece fairings that housed all kinds of electronics. The precursor to this had been Vetter. They must have sold a bazillion fairings and luggage pieces before the orginal Honda GL1000 got gussied up. In any event H-D took note and soon there were Electra-Glides with two piece enclosed batwing fairings with radio etc as well as the FLT line and of course the FXRT, FXRP and one year of the FXRD with their Kawaski Cop bike clone fairings.
So, in conclusion, I'd say that H-D has been building "baggers" forever whereas, Softails, Dynas and all the variations thereof are quite new in the history of the MoCo. Once could really make the case that when the Road King was introduced it was a return to those baggers of yore and that the newer style Electra-Glides and Tour-Glides are indeed gussied up Road Kings although the time-line of the Road King name makes this one of those chicken/egg debates.
And that's my $0.02
B B
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This debate is always interesting to read. So many people get worked up over this topic. I have ridden both and each had its own merits. If I was strictly doing long distance touring, I'd be on a Wing for its comfort, reliability and amenities. It is a great bike. However, I recently bought a Road King - I ride more locally than long distance - the Wing is a ton of bike for local errands and just cruising around. I will ride with any kind of bike and I do not require anyone to move to the back. I wave at all riders whether I am on my CBR900RR or my Road King - I wear a full face helmet on both and I do not own a single shirt that says Harley on it or have any tattoos that say Harley or Honda, nor will I ever have either. I love riding both of my bikes and my off-road bikes (all Hondas). I love to RIDE, be it on my Suzuki, Honda, Harley. I also have a Chevy truck. Ford sells more trucks than Chevy, but I like mine. I don't feel the need to justify anything I do to anyone nor do I need anyone to justify their decisions to me. I will debate motorcycles, cars, trucks, music, politics or any other topic for the sake of debating it, but you are more than entitled to enjoy your country music while I headbang away. That is why there are different flavors and options, but they are ALL opinions - and I may disagree with all of yours, but that doesn't make you wrong, or me right. It just means we are different.
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Remember, if I have to explain, you wouldn't understand......
napalm
There endeth the lesson. ;) Later--HUBBARD
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It's still fun banter........
You won't see this on a Goldwing
(http://allharleyparts.com/wp-content/uploads/harley-babes-3.jpg)
I'd rather ride steel to a HOG rally than plastic to a wing ding.
They stop for ice cream, Harley riders stop for cheeseburgers and beer.
Ok, I am not a religious man but a sight like that makes me say
"God Bless America!"
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:nixweiss: Life is full of debates, just pic a topic. It can be a sports team, a NASCAR driver, a beer, redheads or brunettes, boxers or briefs, etc. (notice I avoided politics). Don't worry about what the other fellows are riding or boasting about, just enjoy the camaraderie that riders enjoy, the view is the same regardless of the machine. I have always thought those who are so brand loyal that they develop tunnel vision to be a bit narrow minded in most other areas of their life, a few of my friends who are MOPAR nuts and Georgia Bulldog fans come to mind, but we still tolerate each other, that is what friends do. Enjoy the ride together irregardless of the brand they choose, it beats riding alone.
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You really can't say too many bad things about a Goldwing. They are consistanly rated the #1 touring bike. But then again I didn't buy a Goldwing I bought a Harely.
I wonder why I did that.
Could it be that a Goldwing simply has no "Cool Factor"? Or is it that I didn't want to ride a Barko Lounger with a stereo and a windshield?
Granted they've got great power but then again: "__________ girls are great until your friends see you riding one".
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Ok, without all the chest thumping I will tell you the pros and cons. for a little back ground info. I've owned Honda GoldWings for 17 years. I've owned a 83, 2000 and 2006. Combined the 2000 and 2006 had 70,000 miles and had been back for warranty twice! In 2004 I bought my first Harley, it was a Road Glide which I made into a Ultra classic version. The RG had been back to the dealers (3) to numberous time to remember. It had been back for: electric issues, radio issues, tourpak cracking issues, fogging gauges, low speed death wobble issues, high speed death wobble issues, oil leaks, oil weeps, engine knocking, engine exploding issues. ALL of the issues HD did not want to cover under warranty. After the motor exploded it took 5 weeks of the last dealer arguing with them and a personal phone call from the head mechanic to a higher up buddy to get me a new motor. When the engine was knocking the regional rep told the other TWO dealers to tell me it was normal....
Yes my 04RG had a soul, it was the soul of a crippled up old man in a wheel chair.
After dumping over $45,000 into the bike I finally got it to run correctly to where I was truly happy with it.
I ended up trading it and my 06 Wing on my 2011 CVO RG. I traded the Wing for two reasons. I didn't want a high monthly payment and I was going to wait for the 2012 Wing to come out.
Ok, here are some issues with Gold Wing:
1, you can tell the motor is runnning without looking at the tach or reving it.
2, it only has a 5 speed.
3, st front end is chit just like the Harley. Since the front end is crap and the handle bars are bolted solid if you ride over some heavy bumps they will vibrate right out of your hands.
4, on the 1500 goldwing there was so much frame flex and the plastic fit so tightly and the bike was so quiet the plastic squeeked.
5, Although there are optional accessories, its nothing like HD.You ant truly customize a Gold Wing as much as you can a Harley. Yeah you can bolt on crap and trinkets to make it look different but it will still feel the same as all the others.
6, Lastly, I'm also a MSF RiderCoach. I cal tell you the last problem isn't with the bike but the rider as a whole. GoldWing riders are affraid of dropping their bikes so they dont lean them. Harley riders don't like dragging their floor boards cause they think of the cost. But they will do so.
I will not be buying the 2012 Wing. I dont like how they did the saddle ba and it still only has a 5 speed. I agree with Buy Early. Don't argue, they are both totally different machines and go about doing things differently.
And by the way my Wing didn't have a soul, neither does my 11SERG, they are just both machines. After having a soul in my 04 I don't want a bike with one.
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This thread has been very entertaining thus far. It has invoked many thoughts of past conversations and memories of friendly banter. I learned to ride on metric cruisers and currently own a metric for my wife to learn to ride on. The group of folks we ride with have a diverse collection of different makes and models. We like to banter back and forth just for fun. I agree that in No way do I want to deter any one from riding or learning to ride due to comments about what brand they have to ride. That being said when we stop at an HD dealer there's a lot more lust for bikes there than for other brands. I agree people don't come into an HD dealer and ask for the model that looks like the newest metric cruiser. When friends ask me what to buy, we talk about resale and fit. Resale can be tough to pin down, but an 800 page parts catalog is hard to argue with, unfortunately bikes don't come custom fit, but with enough money anything can be fixed. I do like to hear about short falls of all brands because they have them. I have been very happy with my SEUC and encourage folks to buy HD if they can, due to the dealer network. Ultimately everyone needs to weigh the pro's and con's of each brand and buy the one that fits their intended riding style. I'll probably be buying more bikes in the future and will probably buy a BMW or Ducati. I plan to continue to banter with my friends, knowing that I may buy other brands someday.
Supershooter
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It's still fun banter........
You won't see this on a Goldwing
(http://allharleyparts.com/wp-content/uploads/harley-babes-3.jpg)
NO YOU WOULDN'T!!!!!
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Harley Davidson has tradition :2vrolijk_21:
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Pretty neat photo of old Harley and pinup girl, any more like that?
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Virtually every other manufacturer has a knock-off version of a H-D. not the other way 'round. if H-D was so bad why copy it? Jusy Sayin'
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Tell them bikes are like girlfriends, while they prefer to have one they can brag how efficient and smart she is; a Harley owner can brag how good looking his is and also point out how she has a great body and big boobs! ;)
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Harley Davidson has tradition :2vrolijk_21:
That's a great tradition!! :2vrolijk_21:
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Pretty neat photo of old Harley and pinup girl, any more like that?
Only one I had but am looking for more for the man cave.... :huepfenjump3:
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Simple answer... "If you have to explain, they wouldn't understand."
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The argument you are having can not be won simply because we can not quantify our feelings.
It is an unrational decision we make to ride these things.
Defies logic really...
That being said, I'm searching for a new touring bike and I have no desire to venture into a Honda store.
I have had this "irrational relationship" since 1990 and I have yet to find(or even search) for a cure!
Brad, still bikeless
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I had a 1965-1966 honda 450 twin in the mid 70s it was cherry low mile ran good [I thought at the time], before it I had a 67 305 scrambler, then I got a 67 FLH dead stock dresser with 2800 original miles on it untouched original as it could be, original air in the original double whitewall goodyears, the original owner broke his back in 69 in a car wreck and never rode it again until I bought it. As far as the pre 69 bikes go [before the 750-4 honda] my flh out performed the 450 twin honda hands down, that 450 was hondas biggest bike then and it was a piece of chit compared to the biggest HD of the period, a lot of older riders will remember this very well, 1903 till 1968 the jap bikes had their asses handed to them by the Harleys and the Limey bikes as well, some of us traditional riders were influenced by this time in history enough that we still have our prefrences.
Late 70s through the 80s I road raced the ricers all over So Cal where I grew up I loved my jap bikes in those years, then I went down kinda hard on my zx11 kawi and it slowed me down just a tinge.................... back on the HD thing again.
I think the wing came out in 75 thereabouts? how many still on the road? How many old Harleys still on the road?
For me the Ricers are nasty the harley is knarley I'm goin with knarley Why aint I ridin a wing............ cause I'm Too BigNutted thats why and obviously Aussi man you are Too Big Nutted as well tell em bro.
For me pounding down some ice cold Budweiser gettin on my hog with no mufflers on it without a helmet and twisten the grip with my bros as we rode from bar to bar in the old days has got some of the best memories I know. Too Big Nutted
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For me pounding down some ice cold Budweiser gettin on my hog with no mufflers on it without a helmet and twisten the grip with my bros as we rode from bar to bar in the old days has got some of the best memories I know. Too Big Nutted
Yep.......how we lived through those days is still a mystery to me. :-\ spyder
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When looking at their GW:
You, " Where is the refrigerator?"
Them, "What?"
You, "Well look at this sum bitch, it must have a mini fridge somewhere in all this crap."
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I just love it when one likes to knock the other........ Like the old saying "we all have one"!!
Personally, I have a Wing, a CVO, and a Kawi! I would love to add a Bemmer, a Moto,
and a whole lot more! They are all different, they are all 2 wheels, and I'll take any of them
over 4 wheels! I guess it's like saying my Ford is better then your Chevy, it's only opinions!
Ride on!
Taz
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I used to ride a wing; put 100k miles on it in 4 years. Rode it to every state but Hawaii in 9.5 days (stopping in Mexico for chits & giggles). It was an amazing machine. I love to ride. I talked good natured chit about HDs over the years, but it was all in good fun. Sold the wing and bought a BMW dual sport to get off the beaten path. Fell in love with my SERG and bought it while I was in Japan, having never so much as sat or or ridden an HD. I'll admit I was pleasantly surprised and love my SERG... but I'd never ride it like I did my wing, for 20 hours a day for 10 days straight. I still have the BMW, because though I've done it, riding the SERG on gravel roads takes too much time to clean up... lol
I'm all for good natured ribbing, but if you've got a problem with someone just because they don't ride your brand, that probably says a lot about you.
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Well said ! It is all about our own reason why we ride, what we ride, :nixweiss: I 'm happy ! CHEERS :2vrolijk_09: :pumpkin:
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My brother and I can actually get over our differences long enough to ride together
(http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/326509_3453991268420_406142443_o.jpg)
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Actually, the RoadKing came about as a stripped down touring model, not the other way around. Look back at the old Electra Glides and DuoGlides before the RoadKings were 'birthed'. :2vrolijk_21: spyder
The FLHS came just before the Road King and was a windshield version of the batwing. It was a nice stepping stone for us that weren't "old enough" yet for a full dresser. Doc
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About the only similarity between a Gold Wing and a full dress Harley is that they both have two wheels. As such, you cannot compare the two. Would you compare a Ducati Desmo to a LowRider ? Of course not. To a Buell ? Well yeah, but Buell's were built to compete with their Japanese, Italian, German etc brethren. H-D has never gone at Honda in the full dress catagory because the H-D corporate mentality is that " We Lead, you follow" So it's not apples for apples.
Riding a Gold Wing is a bit like riding a two wheel version of the Honda Accord. There is very little difference between the two in the digital display screen in front of you. The feel of the engine (what feel) is similar (there is none) And so on. One thing I've never quite understood about Honda. Their absolute refusal to put any engineering hours into designing a footboard that allows us aging baby boomers NOT to have to tuck our legs up under us. The only available respite from this is in the footboard highway boards available. But you still have to put your feet back onto the mid pegs to shift and brake.
In any event, A Gold Wing in my opinion is designed to isolate you from the elements as much as possible while still retaining something of the two wheel in the wind experience. A Harley-Davidson is designed to make riding an interactive experience between rider, machine and nature.
That's just my $0.02
B B
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The H-D Road King was designed to be a throwback machine. The nearest model to it was the Shovelhead FLH Sport model of the late 70's and 80's.
It was intended to evoke the same look and feel of the orginal FL model Harley's that had a windshield and a set of saddlebags.
It was NOT as stripped down dresser. The Electra-Glide, Street Glide and Road Glide models would be more acurately described as Gussied Up Road Kings.
B B
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There is always gonna be Harley people and honda people ;) So if your busy arguing with the honda people,you know where I will be...
PARTYING WITH THE HARLEY PEOPLE :bananarock: :bananarock: :bananarock:
case closed LOL we know how to LIVE!
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It's still fun banter........
You won't see this on a Goldwing
(http://allharleyparts.com/wp-content/uploads/harley-babes-3.jpg)
I'd rather ride steel to a HOG rally than plastic to a wing ding.
They stop for ice cream, Harley riders stop for cheeseburgers and beer.
women prefer harley's over Honda's ..they love the vibration of the bike enough said
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My brother and I can actually get over our differences long enough to ride together
(http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/326509_3453991268420_406142443_o.jpg)
??? WHATS WITH THE OIL SPILL :nixweiss:
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??? WHATS WITH THE OIL SPILL :nixweiss:
It's diesel fuel!
:nervous: :nervous: :nervous:
SBB
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Notice it's only under the Harley. :D har. spyder
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When looking at their GW:
You, " Where is the refrigerator?"
Them, "What?"
You, "Well look at this sum bitch, it must have a mini fridge somewhere in all this crap."
There it is :P
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There it is :P
Pics been viewed 26 times since you posted it; I think there are a lot of closet GW wanna be's checking it out a little closer! :P
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:worthless:
There it is :P
(http://photos.imageevent.com/motorbiker/newspics3/Honda-Goldwing-Car.jpg)
Now THAT'S funny! :2vrolijk_21: :bananarock: :D
This one has a windshield wiper....
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3615/3582174534_e7bc68f3b4.jpg)
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The red two wheeled version of that Wing-house would absolutely suck in a cross wind. That thing is scarey.
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The red one is faster though.
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The red one is faster though.
Oh, yeah.... :2vrolijk_21:
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As per the OP's first post for ammo to help shut-up GW riders making fun of HD. Well the first thing is to own a big bore Harley Touring bike and do a few more tricks to front suspension and shocks replaced on the rear. They can talk all they want but U won't hear a word of it with your new killer exhaust singing deep base with the explosions of the new 10.6-1 compression making it apparent that it it was a built motor just waiting to get turned loose on any road U want at much higher speeds without any hesitation!!! Waaayyyy toooo much funnnn!!!!!
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Another argument would be:
In an emmergency Goldwing riders would ranther hit this,
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...than this
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(http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc114/eddiemon_1955/album2/Crash-2005-Honda-Goldwing-31173.jpg)
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(http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc114/eddiemon_1955/album2/Crash-2005-Honda-Goldwing-31173.jpg)
That's just wrong! :o
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That twig stopped him cold, and didn't even break.
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Cowboy 2, A harley becomes part of your life, like a favorite guitar for example. A Honda is a merely a tool which devaluates at an high rate. I have seen dozens of old Hondas covered in cob webs in peoples garages, or laying against the side of the garage abandoned like some piece of trash that no longer has any use.I have been a Real Estate Broker since 1977 so I have been in a lot of homes. I have never seen a Harley, BSA, Norton, Triumph, Royal Enfield etc. left under those conditions. Also while making many trips to various wrecking yards restoring a 65 chevy van I would walk past the motorcycle section. Guess what, I NEVER EVER SAW A HARLEY. This is the true proof of their worth. JMHO CAHDBIKER
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Yeah, I heard that 95% of all Harley's ever made are still on the road....
some made it to their destination :)
OK I heard that at a GW site