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[jplut]

Having real trouble deciding on an head pipe and exhaust for my new FLHXSE.  I'm not looking for the ultimate performance, but I don't want to lose any.  I'm picky about looks, want a deep rumble, good quality.  The bike will be brought to and tuned by my dealer (SE tuner, the PRO one is the one I see, and I get a free dyno to go along with it).

I really like the looks of the V+H Dresser Duals, and have affinity for the Monster Rounds, or Rinehart 4" (with chrome tip).  Not interested in the 4.5" mufflers, and I don't like the stepped look of the HO Mufflers.   However, reading around, it sounds like the DDs may be really, really loud and can actually sap power (again, doesn't have to be max power, but looking to only go UP from stock, not down).  Are the V+H Power Duals that much better?  I dislike the big, blocky crossover on the right side.

I don't like the Rinehart Extreme or Classic Duals head pipe routing, the Slimline are nice, but again, a big blocky "look at me" on the right side of the bike where the pipes go parallel.

I could go Fuel Moto Jackpot headpipe, and I've had good experiences with them in the past, just looking to do something "different", plus using the stock heat shields provide no visual change at all (which is both good and bad).  Then run any slip-on I want.  I had the 4" slash up Jackpots on my last bike, and I try not to do the same thing over and over, but those were nice pipes.  Just not sure the slash up would work with the CVO's rear very well, the pipe would just disappear, and I don't care for slash downs, nor their E-series or Pro Touring mufflers.  I know, picky...

Lastly, I don't want to modify my stock parts, I like the ability to return the bike to stock if needed.  So I don't want to rip cores/baffles out of the stock mufflers, or the cat out of the stock header.

Thanks for reading, and any thoughts.  Might finally get to ride it this weekend, going to be all of 40, but Sunny, in New Hampshire these days, that's about as good as I can hope for.  Will be able to give my new heated gear a go...

[grc]

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  The bike will be brought to and tuned by my dealer (SE tuner, the PRO one is the one I see, and I get a free dyno to go along with it).
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That statement has me scratching my head, so I thought I'd ask.  If the bike is to be tuned by this dealer, then what does it mean to get a "free dyno to go along with it"?  A real tune is done using a dynamometer anyway.  Why do I get the feeling they will just load a canned map from Harley using the SEPST and then do a quick run on the dynamometer so you'll have a chart?  I'll tell you why, it's because we see reports of that method from Harley dealers all the time around here.  If you're serious about getting the bike tuned properly, you might want to do some research to find a full time professional tuner to do your tune, and not just assume the typical Harley dealership is going to do it right.  If you've been reading threads on this site for any length of time, you have probably seen some of the reports of unsatisfactory "tunes" from dealerships.

JMHO - Jerry

[nytryder]

The Fulsac header allows the use of stock heat shields and the pipes run about the same route as stock. You are on your own for slips. I too would recommend a good dyno man in your area, not the dealership. I'm also no fan of the SE tuner.

[Cat Eye]

I went with the fullsac package....DX pipe, 2.25 baffles, TTS Master Tune with Fullsac map.

Installed great, sounds great, runs great and looks just like it did when it was new.  Plus there is plenty of support here on this site incase of issues.

If these are things you can do yourself it a plus...or you can do like my neighbor did and had his dealer install it.

For me...why put a package together of head pipe, mufflers, tuner and tune when the package has already been engineered and has be installed by hundred already

Good Luck and let us know what you decide.

[JCZ]

See Reply #1,  #2 and #3 above. 

Your best interest is second to the dealership.  Their profit margin is their first priority......so they're going to recommend what will make them the most money in the least amount of time.

[jplut]

Wow, you guys really hate your dealerships. 

Sorry, I don't have that problem, have had nothing but a great relationship with them and a number of the techs, one of which is a personal friend.

Thanks for the input though.

[mark]

Wow, you guys really hate your dealerships. 

Sorry, I don't have that problem, have had nothing but a great relationship with them and a number of the techs, one of which is a personal friend.

Thanks for the input though.

I wouldn't say they hate their dealership, but a dealer wants/needs to sell you things.  I don't hate my car dealership, but if I walk in and ask them if I need a new car, what do you think they'll say?  I liked my old HD dealership...but they also recommended an oil change every 2500 miles...

[jplut]

Well, I certainly didn't want this to turn into "dealer/stealer" debate of any kind, but IMO, everyone who has something to sell, is trying to sell you things.  The question is value, and in some cases, trust.

I have a great relationship with the dealer, the guy who is doing the work is a friend of mine, and if something goes wrong, I have a throat to choke.  To me, it's "why wouldn't I go there".

As far as my statement for a free dyno, a dyno run is part of their tuning service, and I have a certificate for a free one, so basically a discount on the tuning.  I guess that's the best way to look at it.

[barrhill]

crusher or crusher mellows with there head pipe or a new fulsac DX head pipe
you can tour all day but they bark at WOT
they look like they are good quality all stainless inside with stainless packing
plus they seem to make good power and are easy to tune

[grc]

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As far as my statement for a free dyno, a dyno run is part of their tuning service, and I have a certificate for a free one, so basically a discount on the tuning.  I guess that's the best way to look at it.

I guess I didn't communicate effectively in my first response.  A dyno run, actually many dyno runs, is an integral part of a proper dyno tune, not something extra.  If they've given you a free coupon for a dyno run, which many places do to try to sell their tuning services, that's one thing.  If it's part of the package price for the tune (tune, SEPST, dyno run), I was just trying to let you know that you're not getting anything special, that a real dyno tune includes dyno runs and a chart as part of the process.

If you love your dealership, and trust them, then I'm happy for you.  With no more information than what you put in your post (and the mistake this same dealership made installing your backrest in your other thread), I just thought it might be helpful to alert you to what many others have experienced when it came to dealership "tunes" so you would be aware.  Now you have been made aware and you have assured us you're not worried about your dealership, so those of us who hate to see people taken advantage of can rest in peace and move on to other threads.  Sorry I can't help you with the pipe choice btw.  I find that to be a personal decision best made by the owner of the bike, since only the owner of the bike really knows what he wants.  Hang out at dealerships and bike events and get a real first hand impression of the various offerings would be my normal response.

Jerry 

[Delta]

Having real trouble deciding on an head pipe and exhaust for my new FLHXSE.

I really like the looks of the V+H Dresser Duals, and have affinity for the Monster Rounds, or Rinehart 4" (with chrome tip).  Not interested in the 4.5" mufflers, and I don't like the stepped look of the HO Mufflers.   However, reading around, it sounds like the DDs may be really, really loud and can actually sap power (again, doesn't have to be max power, but looking to only go UP from stock, not down).  Are the V+H Power Duals that much better?  I dislike the big, blocky crossover on the right side.

I had the Dresser Duals and Monster Rounds on my bike. They were just too loud for me, really aggravated my tinnitus. I just put the OEM pipe with cat back on and the Monster Rounds and so far am pretty happy. I took it out for a quick tuning run Wednesday. If you like V&H then the Power Duals seem to be a nice setup. My last bike I had the Fuel Moto 2-1-2 and I liked them. Fullsac is an excellent choice too. The 110s sound a lot different then the 103s.
My butt dyno feels like this configuration is better then the dresser duals.

The 2 NH dealers I have gone to in the past for tuning work did not impress me. Both seemed to work the tune for wide open throttle. They didn't spend much time on tuning all areas of the table and never touched timing. If you have the SEPST (I think that's the spelling) I would use the autotune feature and pass on the dyno work at this time. I personally use the Power Vision, have since they first came out. I can get close with it. It's good enough for me until I find someone I can trust. I'm more into cruising then performance riding now that I'm older.

Good luck and many happy miles with your new ride.

[phato1]

I went with the Fullsac head pipe, baffles and TTS using the map that Steve from Fullsac provided. The bike runs great and the sound is music to my ears 

I also wanted to keep my stock exhaust in case I ever decide to put it back on. When I ordered the Fullsac system I visited my dealer and asked if they had a set of "take off" mufflers from somebody else's CVO. When they said no I went on Ebay and purchased a set and modified those. My stock system is boxed up on a shelf in the garage.

The benefit of this approach is that the bike appears to have a totally stock exhaust on it - if anyone were to be looking for something silly like an EPA stamp 

[FLSTFI Dave]

Wow, you guys really hate your dealerships. 

Sorry, I don't have that problem, have had nothing but a great relationship with them and a number of the techs, one of which is a personal friend.

Thanks for the input though.

Nope, I really like my dealership for the most part.  They have a very good service department, and do very good work.

Had them tune a bike once.  I looked at the graph they provided and told them it was not well tuned at all. They tuned it again, and spent a lot more time, it was better, but not what it should be.

Had it tuned by a guy that tunes bikes for a living and does a little mechanic work.  Much better torque curve, much better throttle response and a bit more HP and Torque than even the second tune by the dealer.

Very few dealers have a good dyno tuner working for them.  A good tune is about a whole lot more than peak numbers.  A good tune on a dyno can take 3 or more hours. 

I go just over 650 miles from home to get a good tune.  Have gone down there for more than one bike as have several of my friends. 

[georgw221]

If you are looking for something different and want performance try a set on Stouts with a Fullsac headpipe,,,Just remember to order the right part number,, Using the Fullsac you will need #140-65222.. there for bikes with OUT the cat in the head pipe..
 
  http://www.supertrapp.com/images/pdfs/stock-V-stout.pdf

[North Star]

The Stouts are one of the slip ons I'm considering, but really there are 4 versions which makes it confusing on how it will end up sounding and performing on my bike.

The 2010+ ST's have freer flowing baffles because they are meant to be run with a cat equipped headpipe. The Kerkers for the same model years would be louder.

The 2005-2009 ST's would be more restrictive since they are meant to be run with the catless headpipe. Again the Kerkers would be a louder version of these. So, really there are four sound and performance choices, and I'm not sure you would know what you end up getting.