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Re: Insurance
« Reply #45 on: February 24, 2007, 07:40:57 AM »

OK so I have a 07 ultra and a 1995 Nostalgia my wife rides. 2 drivers 100/300 replacement on the CVO stacked on the under and un insured cost in PA for the year both riders and bikes $1150.00. Done via HD insurance with Dairyland :2vrolijk_21: best deal I saw.
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« Reply #46 on: February 24, 2007, 08:46:14 AM »

Foremost quote and AARP discounts hign coverage of 250/500 stacked over $2500.00 per year. Feels a bit high??????

Kaz,
WOW!!   That IS a bit high.  Um..I'd make a few calls bud.  Not that the cheapest is the way to go.  But I too use State Farm.  I live out in the sticks and I pay less than 1/6th of what your'e paying! 

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Re: Insurance
« Reply #47 on: February 24, 2007, 08:57:00 AM »

check the post above and you will see what I got :huepfenjump3:
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Re: Insurance
« Reply #48 on: February 24, 2007, 09:51:07 AM »

OK so I have a 07 ultra and a 1995 Nostalgia my wife rides. 2 drivers 100/300 replacement on the CVO stacked on the under and un insured cost in PA for the year both riders and bikes $1150.00. Done via HD insurance with Dairyland :2vrolijk_21: best deal I saw.
Dave

don't know what was going on Kaz...your response wasn't there when I started typing?  Must have been that time difference thing? 
Glad to see you got it down.  Kind of like getting a raise isn't it?  Now you've got some extra $$ to get some more bling or to take a vaca! 

Bling is good...

Cheers!   :drink:
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« Reply #49 on: February 27, 2007, 01:20:46 PM »

I got a great rate at Geico.

Keep in mind that credit rating also applies to insurance rates.
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« Reply #50 on: February 27, 2007, 05:14:46 PM »

Folks I believe when you say you get a great rate from so and so but I guess I was hoping for more detailed info. Sort of what I shared. What my bikes are where I live what I am paying what my coverage is. That is the only way we can compare the deals we get. I understand there are lots of components that make a rate but wouldn't you like to know if you lived 10 miles from me and was with XYZ paying 2000.00 and I was at 1100.00? I am sure looking into it would either make us understand why or we would make a change. Yes? :bananarock:
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Re: Insurance
« Reply #51 on: February 27, 2007, 06:09:45 PM »

Kaz,

I will share my numbers with you.  First let me tell you that I own an insurance agency, so I know a little about this subject.  My numbers can be a guide - but the fact of the matter is these days there are so many different variables that go into rating on bikes and cars that it virtually impossible to know whether you or someone you are comparing to is getting a good deal or not without shopping around a little. 

Those variables include state, county, city, driving record, claims, credit score, sex, age, experience, how many vehicles you have, if you own or rent your home, whether you had prior insurance or not, what your liability limits were previously, if you have a loan on the vehicle, how far in advance of the renewal date you are asking for a quote and a lot more.  Another factor, as you will see in my breakdown is what coverage limits you buy.  As you see below, some coverages are a lot more expensive than others and can make a big difference in the total.

I did not shop all of the companies in the market for my coverage.  I did it in my independent insurance agency (of course) and only looked at the 2 companies we use who want to write bikes, Safeco and Progressive.  Progressive is one of the largest writers of motorcycle insurance and that is who I use and their rates for my bikes are shown below.

I have 3 bikes, under each I have given a breakdown of the coverage and costs:

Being an insurance person I believe in having high liability limits and high deductibles.  I will not be turning in any small claims anyway so I take advantage of the discount for a larger deductible, as should you.

My coverage is:

$500,000 Combined Single Limit (CSL) for liability
$2,000 Medical Expense (probably not needed, but I have it anyway.
$500,000 CSL Uninsured/Underinsured Motorists liability (the MOST important coverage here)
$500 Deductible Comprehensive
$1,000 Deductible Collision
$450 Towing

These are annual premiums:

2007 SERK total is $694

Liability $200
Medical Expense $70
Uninsured/Underinsured Motorist $181
Comprehensive $71
Collision $171
Towing $1

2005 Deuce total is $527

Liability $184
Medical Expense $56
Uninsured/Underinsured Motorist $138
Comprehensive $45
Collision $103
Towing $1

2005 Road King Classic total is $527

Liability $184
Medical Expense $56
Uninsured/Underinsured Motorist $138
Comprehensive $45
Collision $103
Towing $1

Total for 3 bikes annually $1,748.

A little more background.  I live in Fairfax County, just outside of Washington DC.  While the rates here in my area are higher than in most of VA, VA has some of the lowest auto insurance rates in the nation.  I have a clean driving record, except for one at-fault fender bender 2 years ago, (no ticket luckily).  I am 46, married, own my home and have excellent credit.  And unfortunately NO, I don't get a discount of any kind...

I know this is probably a LOT more information than you were looking for.  I hope it helps.  Feel free to let me know if you have any questions.

Doug
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« Reply #52 on: February 27, 2007, 06:22:55 PM »

Doug
You are the best. This is the kind of information that will help me and other CVO folks understand what and why. This helps with the decisions I will make and hopefully others.
Thanks for sharing so much and ride safe.

Since we are not that far away I hope to meet you on a ride. Thanks again.
Dave :2vrolijk_21:
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« Reply #53 on: February 27, 2007, 06:45:53 PM »

Dave,

No problem!!  If you have any questions along the way, please don't hesitate to ask.

Looking forward to meeting you and others.

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« Reply #54 on: February 28, 2007, 10:22:40 AM »

Kaz,

I will share my numbers with you.  First let me tell you that I own an insurance agency, so I know a little about this subject.  My numbers can be a guide - but the fact of the matter is these days there are so many different variables that go into rating on bikes and cars that it virtually impossible to know whether you or someone you are comparing to is getting a good deal or not without shopping around a little. 

Those variables include state, county, city, driving record, claims, credit score, sex, age, experience, how many vehicles you have, if you own or rent your home, whether you had prior insurance or not, what your liability limits were previously, if you have a loan on the vehicle, how far in advance of the renewal date you are asking for a quote and a lot more.  Another factor, as you will see in my breakdown is what coverage limits you buy.  As you see below, some coverages are a lot more expensive than others and can make a big difference in the total.

I did not shop all of the companies in the market for my coverage.  I did it in my independent insurance agency (of course) and only looked at the 2 companies we use who want to write bikes, Safeco and Progressive.  Progressive is one of the largest writers of motorcycle insurance and that is who I use and their rates for my bikes are shown below.

I have 3 bikes, under each I have given a breakdown of the coverage and costs:

Being an insurance person I believe in having high liability limits and high deductibles.  I will not be turning in any small claims anyway so I take advantage of the discount for a larger deductible, as should you.

My coverage is:

$500,000 Combined Single Limit (CSL) for liability
$2,000 Medical Expense (probably not needed, but I have it anyway.
$500,000 CSL Uninsured/Underinsured Motorists liability (the MOST important coverage here)
$500 Deductible Comprehensive
$1,000 Deductible Collision
$450 Towing

These are annual premiums:

2007 SERK total is $694

Liability $200
Medical Expense $70
Uninsured/Underinsured Motorist $181
Comprehensive $71
Collision $171
Towing $1

2005 Deuce total is $527

Liability $184
Medical Expense $56
Uninsured/Underinsured Motorist $138
Comprehensive $45
Collision $103
Towing $1

2005 Road King Classic total is $527

Liability $184
Medical Expense $56
Uninsured/Underinsured Motorist $138
Comprehensive $45
Collision $103
Towing $1

Total for 3 bikes annually $1,748.

A little more background.  I live in Fairfax County, just outside of Washington DC.  While the rates here in my area are higher than in most of VA, VA has some of the lowest auto insurance rates in the nation.  I have a clean driving record, except for one at-fault fender bender 2 years ago, (no ticket luckily).  I am 46, married, own my home and have excellent credit.  And unfortunately NO, I don't get a discount of any kind...

I know this is probably a LOT more information than you were looking for.  I hope it helps.  Feel free to let me know if you have any questions.

Doug




From Another (ZIPCODE) In Virginia The reason I Stress Zip code is That what Really Sets Your Insurance Rate.  So you can Only Compare Coverage (Amount Carried) What IS a Good Rate to some may not be the best rate you can get in your State (Or) Zip code.

I have Two Bikes, 57, married own a home and if I didn't have good credit I would not have any of that stuff. :)

My Bikes Are Covered with Progressive
2002 Honda Gl 1800 Engine Displacement 1832 CC’s- (Another Factor)

Liability                                             $500,000                                 $75.00
Uninsured Motorist                        $500,000                                 $69.00
Medical Expense per person             $10,000                               $117 .00
Comprehensive                                               DEDUCT $500         $10.00
Collision                                                          DEDUCT $500        $92.00
Towing and Labor $75 Each Disablement/ MAX $450                  Included

Total for GL1800                                                                            $363.00

2006 FLHTCUSE Engine Displacement 1690 CC’s

Liability                                             $500,000                                $108.00
Uninsured Motorist                             $500,000                                $108.00
Medical Expense per person              $10,000                                $164.00
Comprehensive                                                 DEDUCT $500        $32.00
Collision                                                             DEDUCT $500      $156.00
Towing and Labor $75 Each Disablement/MAX $450.                   Included

Total for the CVO HD                                                                       $568.00
Total For 12 month Coverage                                                             $931.00

When comparing these rates with whatever state you are in (ZIPCODE) is sure you get the same coverage before you can say that it’s too much. (FAR better to have it than not need it, than to not have it and Need it)

Included in my Progressive Coverage Also Covers My Passenger (Co-rider) that is included in the amount of Medical Expense a Co-rider is defined as any person on the back.
ASK YOUR CURRENT Insurance CO if they cover a passenger and there will be a very long pause on the phone. It is important to me (It may not be important to you). Remember When you go to a Rally and the drunk Half Naked Girl ask for a ride and falls off the back and becomes disfigured you may wish you had it, because you did not ask about it because you never ride two-up  (Hey But What Could Happen?) ;D

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Re: Insurance
« Reply #55 on: February 28, 2007, 11:31:32 AM »

Kaz and Vaz,

I want to thank you guys for saving me some $.  It's the old shoemakers shoes dilemma.  While going through this I realized that I never changed my marital status with Progressive to "Married" when I got re-married a few months ago.  I just made that change and it saved me $389 annually as you can see from the new numbers below.  I am so much safer this month than I was last month......   ;)  That money can go towards the mods the SERK is getting later this week.  Just goes to show that you need to constantly check and make sure your information is up-to-date.  If I wasn't saving money I would be embarrassed!!! 

Brings me a little closer to VAZHOGS premiums.  Since he lives a little more out on the country than I do (beautiful country at that), it doesn't surprise me that his are lower.

Updated numbers are below.......

REVISED FULL TERM PREMIUM CHARGE

Coverages - Limits of Liability

                                       2005      2005      2007     
                                       H-D       H-D       H-D CVO     
Bodily Injury and Property     
Damage Liability              $134.00   $134.00   $142.00   
    $500,000 Combined         
    Single Limit                                           
Uninsured/Underinsured       
Motorists                     $116.00   $116.00   $152.00   
    $500,000 Combined         
    Single Limit                                           
Um Property Damage           
$500,000 Csl                  $4.00     $4.00     $4.00     
Medical Expense               
$2,000 Limit Per Person    $44.00    $44.00    $55.00   
Comprehensive $500           
Deductible                    $33.00    $33.00    $51.00   
Collision $1,000             
Deductible                    $80.00    $80.00    $133.00   
Towing and Labor $75 Per       
Disablement $450 Max          INCL      INCL      INCL     

Total Premium by Vehicle:     $411.00   $411.00   $537.00   


           Total Policy Premium After the Change: $1,359.00
          Total Policy Premium Before the Change: $1,748.00
                          Difference: $-389.00
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« Reply #56 on: February 28, 2007, 12:18:39 PM »

Blueflame:

Two other things make a difference on your insurance your bikes are newer and all HD's (HIGH DOLLAR) also you are younger. I'm older and one of my bikes is plastic  ;D For those looking to roll all your eggs into one basket (all cars and bike on one policy.  VA is a Common wealth state. (This will apply on to those states that are) By having your home and car and bikes all on different policy's when needed all of your Liability's from all your current policy's Amounts Add together.

That may not be important unless you happen to be involved in a wreck where someone is maimed or killed and they Sue the $hit out of you.

That's the real reason the Insurance co wants to give you a big discount for mulit vehicle discounts!! They make you feel good and it lets them off on the cheap should you ever need to be covered.  After all they only really care about your welfare are not in the business to make money.  Glad you got a reduction - but being married is an additional expense anyway (your saving Money Now)  :orange:
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« Reply #57 on: February 28, 2007, 03:23:23 PM »

Vaz,

I'm with you on the "additional expense".  I am lucky in one regard because she never complains about me buying toys or anything else that I want, which I do fairly frequently..... 

Be careful with that "stacked limits" theory.  Now I have not read YOUR auto and homeowners policies, BUT I can tell you with almost 100% certainty that you cannot stack your limits from an auto policy, motorcycle and homeowners. 

Homeowners policies have an absolute exclusion against auto claims. 

To summarize the standard "Family Auto Policy" in Virginia, it covers you against liability arising out of the use of a "private passenger automobile" "utility automobile" or trailer.  "Private Passenger Automobile" is defined in the contract as "means a four wheel private passenger, station wagon or jeep type automobile".  "utility Automobile" is defines as "means an automobile, other than a farm automobile, of the pick-up body, sedan delivery or panel truck type not used for business or commercial purposes".  Motorcycles or 2 wheeled vehicles are intentionally not included in the definition of covered vehicles.

Progressives motorcycle policy is a regular "Family Auto Policy" with an endorsement that changes the definition  from "Private Passenger" to "miscellaneous vehicle" which is then defined to include bikes, but not cars.

Basically each of these policies is designed only to provide coverage for the vehicles and vehicle types specifically covered.  Since there is no coverage on the bike policy for your car, they will not have to pay, except for bike accidents.

Sorry to get technical here, I just don't want you or anyone reading the thread to think they have higher limits than they really do.  I would double-check your actual policies.  Then I would call my agent and ask.  If they tell you that you can stack your limits from all of your policies, ask them to send you a letter to that affect.  IF they do, put that baby in your safe deposit box in case you ever need it.

In some cases you can stack "medical expense", but not liability coverage.

The "correct" way to increase your liability limits is to buy an "Umbrella" policy.  It will give you additional coverage on top of your other policies in increments of $1 million.  For most people it is not that expensive.  You should contact your auto insurance company, as typically they are the ones who will be willing to write it for you.

Ride safe so you never need any of it...............

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« Reply #58 on: February 28, 2007, 04:06:17 PM »

Vaz,

I'm with you on the "additional expense".  I am lucky in one regard because she never complains about me buying toys or anything else that I want, which I do fairly frequently..... 

Be careful with that "stacked limits" theory.  Now I have not read YOUR auto and homeowners policies, BUT I can tell you with almost 100% certainty that you cannot stack your limits from an auto policy, motorcycle and homeowners. 

Homeowners policies have an absolute exclusion against auto claims. 

To summarize the standard "Family Auto Policy" in Virginia, it covers you against liability arising out of the use of a "private passenger automobile" "utility automobile" or trailer.  "Private Passenger Automobile" is defined in the contract as "means a four wheel private passenger, station wagon or jeep type automobile".  "utility Automobile" is defines as "means an automobile, other than a farm automobile, of the pick-up body, sedan delivery or panel truck type not used for business or commercial purposes".  Motorcycles or 2 wheeled vehicles are intentionally not included in the definition of covered vehicles.

Progressives motorcycle policy is a regular "Family Auto Policy" with an endorsement that changes the definition  from "Private Passenger" to "miscellaneous vehicle" which is then defined to include bikes, but not cars.

Basically each of these policies is designed only to provide coverage for the vehicles and vehicle types specifically covered.  Since there is no coverage on the bike policy for your car, they will not have to pay, except for bike accidents.

Sorry to get technical here, I just don't want you or anyone reading the thread to think they have higher limits than they really do.  I would double-check your actual policies.  Then I would call my agent and ask.  If they tell you that you can stack your limits from all of your policies, ask them to send you a letter to that affect.  IF they do, put that baby in your safe deposit box in case you ever need it.

In some cases you can stack "medical expense", but not liability coverage.

The "correct" way to increase your liability limits is to buy an "Umbrella" policy.  It will give you additional coverage on top of your other policies in increments of $1 million.  For most people it is not that expensive.  You should contact your auto insurance company, as typically they are the ones who will be willing to write it for you.

Ride safe so you never need any of it...............

Doug





Doug:

My Information about "insurance stacking" Comes from this source http://www.motorcyclevirginia.com/ I have attended  Tom McGrath's presention on the subject and have meet him at a few rallys over the years. I suggest you visit his web site and bone up on the insurance industry as it relates to Motorcycles in Virginia and Max Covereage (Stacking).

Just check it out and if you find that I have misinformed you I will Correct my post. So My Statements on Common Weath States Stand as I Have  stated .

I also Have the Umbrella Policy you mentioned as well I took that out in 98 when I saw his presention because it all adds together. If in highley unlikely event you should be injured in a Motorcycle accident- you can be really HURT BAD any stay in a hospital would wipe out any medical insurance that you may carry (look at your yearly or lifetime limit) or Just when do you think you could return to work if ever?  There are a lot worse things than death. Anyway I hope you enjoy his cd presention.



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« Reply #59 on: February 28, 2007, 04:20:27 PM »

Vaz,

Glanced at the site and didn't easily find what you were referencing.  Will probably be next week before I can dig through it.  If you can point me to a more specific link I will try to take a look sooner.  Also keep in mind that what a trial attorney was succesful in accomplishing in one case will not automatically apply in every instance. 

If you have to go to court to win, you have already lost.....
Having an Umbrella policy gives you the liability coverage - period.

Will post again after I find your reference.

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