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[RGlideKid]

It took me some time to test your recommendations. I made the changes as you suggested. Route shows up on USB stick in BB, I am able to import it, but then I have two choices-"Select all" or "Clear all" No rote is able to be imported.

There are too many setting in the visualizer for me to play with them all to see why I cannot use the GPS Visualizer and why BB cannot import a file after I have converted it. I am done trying as I now have 10 routes in my "saved" file that I cannot delete and cannot open to follow. I guess I am going to try and lear Tryre or use the crappy HD Ride Planner.

Thanks for the help though!

Having a "select all" option would seem to indicate there is a route there, but you should be able to see the WP's beneath that option on the BB screen.

If by saying you have 10 routes in your saved file, you mean you have 10 routes imported into your BB, there is a way to delete them, and I think it would be wise to do that, as memory space in the BB is limited.  I know this because I have deleted old routes.  Or at least I am left to assume I've deleted them because they are no longer visible in the BB menu.

I applaud your tenacity, and believe you will eventually be rewarded with the ability to do just about anything with a GPS if you keep going like you are.
And if that happens, I can see you teaching us all new and better ways to create routes and use them on the BB.  Keep working at it, Glenn!   

[Glenncarp]

Having a "select all" option would seem to indicate there is a route there, but you should be able to see the WP's beneath that option on the BB screen.

If by saying you have 10 routes in your saved file, you mean you have 10 routes imported into your BB, there is a way to delete them, and I think it would be wise to do that, as memory space in the BB is limited.  I know this because I have deleted old routes.  Or at least I am left to assume I've deleted them because they are no longer visible in the BB menu.

I applaud your tenacity, and believe you will eventually be rewarded with the ability to do just about anything with a GPS if you keep going like you are.
And if that happens, I can see you teaching us all new and better ways to create routes and use them on the BB.  Keep working at it, Glenn!   

My tenacity is measured by hoe crappy the Harley Ride Planner is. Lol

I am in agreement that since there is "select all" and "clear all", there SHOULD be a route there somewhere, there is not.

The files I created previously in Google Maps then converted with the visualizer and imported in to BB are the ones that cannot be erased from the "saved" file. Other favorites I can highlight then rename, view route, erase etc. The ones imported from the visualizer have no options. The only way to remove these are to reset the BB. I have tried every way possible, unfortunately, there is no other option but to do a factory reset on the sysytem.

[cvosjoe]

My tenacity is measured by hoe crappy the Harley Ride Planner is. Lol

I am in agreement that since there is "select all" and "clear all", there SHOULD be a route there somewhere, there is not.

The files I created previously in Google Maps then converted with the visualizer and imported in to BB are the ones that cannot be erased from the "saved" file. Other favorites I can highlight then rename, view route, erase etc. The ones imported from the visualizer have no options. The only way to remove these are to reset the BB. I have tried every way possible, unfortunately, there is no other option but to do a factory reset on the sysytem.

When you import a route I would suggest not using the "select all" unless you want all of the waypoints imported into your "saved". You only need to select the route segment which is usually the first item in gpx file that is displayed on the BB screen when doing the import. All of the waypoints will still be included with the route without adding the waypoints to your saved. You don't need to import the waypoints separately for the route to work.

The reason you are having problems with waypoints in your "saved" is because the address is missing from the notes attribute for the waypoint. Mapping software usually adds the address to the notes field but this is not always the case. When I first bought my 2014 Rushmore bike I soon discovered this flaw in the BB. It took several factory resets before I figured out the issue with the notes attribute. I even sent a letter to the MoCo describing the issue and how to recreate it. Never heard back from them and it is still an issue 3 years later.

I am a ride guide so I create a lot of routes for the BB for rides I lead and self guided rides. I use Basecamp to create the routes and I find it easy to use. Regardless of what software you use make sure there is something in the notes attributes. It does not have to be the address but it can't be blank. The only time the notes attribute comes into play is when you import them into your "saved".

[RGlideKid]

When you import a route I would suggest not using the "select all" unless you want all of the waypoints imported into your "saved". You only need to select the route segment which is usually the first item in gpx file that is displayed on the BB screen when doing the import. All of the waypoints will still be included with the route without adding the waypoints to your saved. You don't need to import the waypoints separately for the route to work.

The reason you are having problems with waypoints in your "saved" is because the address is missing from the notes attribute for the waypoint. Mapping software usually adds the address to the notes field but this is not always the case. When I first bought my 2014 Rushmore bike I soon discovered this flaw in the BB. It took several factory resets before I figured out the issue with the notes attribute. I even sent a letter to the MoCo describing the issue and how to recreate it. Never heard back from them and it is still an issue 3 years later.

I am a ride guide so I create a lot of routes for the BB for rides I lead and self guided rides. I use Basecamp to create the routes and I find it easy to use. Regardless of what software you use make sure there is something in the notes attributes. It does not have to be the address but it can't be blank. The only time the notes attribute comes into play is when you import them into your "saved".

Sounds like we have an old pro here!  So Joe, are you coming to Eureka Springs in June?  We could use an experienced ride leader!

But in accordance with what Joe said, this video about what to import seems to be in agreement with his statement:

[cvosjoe]

So Joe, are you coming to Eureka Springs in June?  We could use an experienced ride leader!

Wish I could but I don't think I can make it. Was at Bikes, Blues and BBQ a few years ago. Some nice riding there. Going to be a great place for the get together.

[Glenncarp]

When you import a route I would suggest not using the "select all" unless you want all of the waypoints imported into your "saved". You only need to select the route segment which is usually the first item in gpx file that is displayed on the BB screen when doing the import. All of the waypoints will still be included with the route without adding the waypoints to your saved. You don't need to import the waypoints separately for the route to work.

The reason you are having problems with waypoints in your "saved" is because the address is missing from the notes attribute for the waypoint. Mapping software usually adds the address to the notes field but this is not always the case. When I first bought my 2014 Rushmore bike I soon discovered this flaw in the BB. It took several factory resets before I figured out the issue with the notes attribute. I even sent a letter to the MoCo describing the issue and how to recreate it. Never heard back from them and it is still an issue 3 years later.

I am a ride guide so I create a lot of routes for the BB for rides I lead and self guided rides. I use Basecamp to create the routes and I find it easy to use. Regardless of what software you use make sure there is something in the notes attributes. It does not have to be the address but it can't be blank. The only time the notes attribute comes into play is when you import them into your "saved".

So were is the "notes" section when creating a route in Google Maps?

I think the main confusion on this thread is that I want to use Google Maps to create routes, I know, I know, there are better options out there, but that is what I know VERY well and like. I thought I had it nailed down when I used the GPS visualizer web page, it used to be perfect when I moved the converted file to my Zummo that came with the 11' SERGU. For some reason, I cannot get this to work on the BB system. I wish it were easy, but then again, nothing with HD is when it comes to electronics.

[cvosjoe]

So were is the "notes" section when creating a route in Google Maps?

I think the main confusion on this thread is that I want to use Google Maps to create routes, I know, I know, there are better options out there, but that is what I know VERY well and like. I thought I had it nailed down when I used the GPS visualizer web page, it used to be perfect when I moved the converted file to my Zummo that came with the 11' SERGU. For some reason, I cannot get this to work on the BB system. I wish it were easy, but then again, nothing with HD is when it comes to electronics.

There are no notes that you can edit in Google Maps.

Google Maps is not compatible with the BB even when using the GPS visualizer. When you paste the Google Maps URL into the visualizer and convert it to a gpx file the waypoint xml data only has the name attribute and is missing the cmt (notes) attribute. You could always edit the gpx file (xml data) and add cmt attribute to each waypoint. It will fix it so that you can edit/delete these from your saved but the route still won't be compatible with the BB. The reason the route is not compatible with the BB is because the gpx file created with the visualizer doesn't actually create a route. It creates an individual track from waypoint to waypoint. They will show up in your Tracks in the BB. Tracks don't work as expected if you try to use it like a route.

[Glenncarp]

There are no notes that you can edit in Google Maps.

Google Maps is not compatible with the BB even when using the GPS visualizer. When you paste the Google Maps URL into the visualizer and convert it to a gpx file the waypoint xml data only has the name attribute and is missing the cmt (notes) attribute. You could always edit the gpx file (xml data) and add cmt attribute to each waypoint. It will fix it so that you can edit/delete these from your saved but the route still won't be compatible with the BB. The reason the route is not compatible with the BB is because the gpx file created with the visualizer doesn't actually create a route. It creates an individual track from waypoint to waypoint. They will show up in your Tracks in the BB. Tracks don't work as expected if you try to use it like a route.

Perfect explanation, thanks and wish I had known this early on, would have saved three pages of replies! Lol

[RGlideKid]

Perfect explanation, thanks and wish I had known this early on, would have saved three pages of replies! Lol

Makes me glad I didn't try Google.  I'd have had the same problems!

[ultrafxr]

When you import a route I would suggest not using the "select all" unless you want all of the waypoints imported into your "saved". You only need to select the route segment which is usually the first item in gpx file that is displayed on the BB screen when doing the import. All of the waypoints will still be included with the route without adding the waypoints to your saved. You don't need to import the waypoints separately for the route to work.

The reason you are having problems with waypoints in your "saved" is because the address is missing from the notes attribute for the waypoint. Mapping software usually adds the address to the notes field but this is not always the case. When I first bought my 2014 Rushmore bike I soon discovered this flaw in the BB. It took several factory resets before I figured out the issue with the notes attribute. I even sent a letter to the MoCo describing the issue and how to recreate it. Never heard back from them and it is still an issue 3 years later.

I am a ride guide so I create a lot of routes for the BB for rides I lead and self guided rides. I use Basecamp to create the routes and I find it easy to use. Regardless of what software you use make sure there is something in the notes attributes. It does not have to be the address but it can't be blank. The only time the notes attribute comes into play is when you import them into your "saved".

Do not mean to (and hope I have not) high jacked this thread since my questions still involves routing with the BB.  So Joe what exactly do you mean by inporting into the 'saved.'  I have imported routes successfully to the BB but do not understand what you mean by 'saved.'

A continuing problem I have with the BB gps routing is that the waypoints I have created (I am using Garmin's MapSource and saving the file in gpx format) do not always align with the BB.  So when I actually pass a waypoint the BB may not recognize that I have done so and wants to take me back.  Once I figure this out I can 'skip next waypoint' but if I am in an unfamiliar area running a complicated route that I may have created a while ago this becomes problematic in that I am sometimes unsure what is going on - did I miss a turn, etc.

This past weekend I ran a route using both the BB and my Garmin RT Zumo 590 for comparison.  In one instance the BB said the next waypoint was 1.8 miles closer than what the Garmin said - and the Garmin was correct.  When we got to where the BB thought the waypoint was located it said I had arrived yet 1.8 miles down the road at the actual waypoint I could clearly see the waypoint flag icon on the BB screen.  WTF!  I really want to use the BB as I like the display resolution and its location on the dash very well but I just do not have confidence in it and find too many inconsistencies as compared to my Garmin.  Just my experience and hoping I can improve that.

[Glenncarp]

Do not mean to (and hope I have not) high jacked this thread since my questions still involves routing with the BB.  So Joe what exactly do you mean by inporting into the 'saved.'  I have imported routes successfully to the BB but do not understand what you mean by 'saved.'

A continuing problem I have with the BB gps routing is that the waypoints I have created (I am using Garmin's MapSource and saving the file in gpx format) do not always align with the BB.  So when I actually pass a waypoint the BB may not recognize that I have done so and wants to take me back.  Once I figure this out I can 'skip next waypoint' but if I am in an unfamiliar area running a complicated route that I may have created a while ago this becomes problematic in that I am sometimes unsure what is going on - did I miss a turn, etc.

This past weekend I ran a route using both the BB and my Garmin RT Zumo 590 for comparison.  In one instance the BB said the next waypoint was 1.8 miles closer than what the Garmin said - and the Garmin was correct.  When we got to where the BB thought the waypoint was located it said I had arrived yet 1.8 miles down the road at the actual waypoint I could clearly see the waypoint flag icon on the BB screen.  WTF!  I really want to use the BB as I like the display resolution and its location on the dash very well but I just do not have confidence in it and find too many inconsistencies as compared to my Garmin.  Just my experience and hoping I can improve that.

Not sure about the rest, but when he mentioned "saved" file, that is on the BB list under "more". When you used to create a route using the GPS visualizer and you imported it, it was saved in "trips" on the BB, now it is saved in "Saved".

I am completely confused by this whole thread I started. Lol. On the second or third post (too tired to go back and look) someone said he used Google Maps and the GPS visualizer and it worked just fine. I sent him a route I created in Google and he was able to import it, but it was saved in the "saved" folder not "trips" folder. He did not get my route to show up, he asked that I tweak some setting in the visualizer which I do, still with no luck in importing the trip into BB. Now I have learned that it is not possible to use Google maps. Sooooo, I give up. Lol.

I am going to learn how to effectively use Tyre and use that as it imports flawlessly, and yes, it is saved in "Trips" not "saved" lol

[cvosjoe]

Do not mean to (and hope I have not) high jacked this thread since my questions still involves routing with the BB.  So Joe what exactly do you mean by inporting into the 'saved.'  I have imported routes successfully to the BB but do not understand what you mean by 'saved.'

When you create a route segment with waypoints and import the gpx file into the BB the list contains the route segment as well as each individual waypoint. The route segment is always ordered as the first item in the list displayed on the BB screen. What I mean by importing into the saved is if you select the waypoints along with the route segment the BB imports the route segment into the Trips and any waypoints get added to the Saved.

A continuing problem I have with the BB gps routing is that the waypoints I have created (I am using Garmin's MapSource and saving the file in gpx format) do not always align with the BB.  So when I actually pass a waypoint the BB may not recognize that I have done so and wants to take me back.  Once I figure this out I can 'skip next waypoint' but if I am in an unfamiliar area running a complicated route that I may have created a while ago this becomes problematic in that I am sometimes unsure what is going on - did I miss a turn, etc.

I have had that exact same thing happen to me. What I have found in most cases is that when I zoom in on the waypoint in the mapping software I use the waypoint is not on the road. Other times I have found as you have mentioned it just doesn't line up with the map in the BB.

This past weekend I ran a route using both the BB and my Garmin RT Zumo 590 for comparison.  In one instance the BB said the next waypoint was 1.8 miles closer than what the Garmin said - and the Garmin was correct.  When we got to where the BB thought the waypoint was located it said I had arrived yet 1.8 miles down the road at the actual waypoint I could clearly see the waypoint flag icon on the BB screen.  WTF!  I really want to use the BB as I like the display resolution and its location on the dash very well but I just do not have confidence in it and find too many inconsistencies as compared to my Garmin.  Just my experience and hoping I can improve that.

I have noticed quirky issues like this as well. I would imagine that there are discrepancies in the mapping software we use to create the routes and what is in our BB. Not sure if there is anything within our control that we can do to fix these issues.

[WTF Chuck]

I can no longer get a GPS visualizer file to work in the bb. But if you take the GPS visualizer file and open it in Tyre then re save in Tyre as GPX it will work and goes into the Trips folder like it is supposed to.

[Glenncarp]

I can no longer get a GPS visualizer file to work in the bb. But if you take the GPS visualizer file and open it in Tyre then re save in Tyre as GPX it will work and goes into the Trips folder like it is supposed to.

Hmm, tried it, but did not import route I created in Google Maps, just gave me point A to point B, not the route I adjusted in Google.

I know I am splitting hairs here between Tyre and Google maps, but the one nice feature about creating the route in Maps is when you drag the route to change it, it highlights the entire new route so you can see it before you drop the new waypoint in. On Tyre, there is no moving of the route line when you adjust, it just places the new waypoint where you put it and then shows the new route line after you have dropped the new waypoint.

[RGlideKid]

This past weekend I ran a route using both the BB and my Garmin RT Zumo 590 for comparison.  In one instance the BB said the next waypoint was 1.8 miles closer than what the Garmin said - and the Garmin was correct.  When we got to where the BB thought the waypoint was located it said I had arrived yet 1.8 miles down the road at the actual waypoint I could clearly see the waypoint flag icon on the BB screen.  WTF!  I really want to use the BB as I like the display resolution and its location on the dash very well but I just do not have confidence in it and find too many inconsistencies as compared to my Garmin.  Just my experience and hoping I can improve that.

I have owned several Garmin's and not noticed this discrepancy in them either.  This BB is my first, yet I have not seen the WP issue in it...yet.   I am using myroute-app now and it seems to hit the WP's on the map as they were placed and as it should.  I have gone thru many WP's so I won't say it wasn't possible that it didn't misrepresent where a WP was, but to date, I have not noticed this.
I will keep making complex routes to travel by locally using myroute-app.  As I do things that seem to work and/or enhance the reliability of a route, I'll post that.  I will also post the weird things and things that don't work.
The weather's shaping up.  Won't be long and spring will be here.  Heck, I may even get to ride today.