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[SOKOOLJ]

Well Barry Bonds hit his 752nd home run today and Hank Aaron's record is only three away. I am no San Fran fan (go BOSOX) but I am a fan of Barry. I'm sure there will be some debate here.

[SOKOOLJ]

Update!!! He just hit a 3 run shot in the 7th, for his 753rd.

[grc]

Sorry, but I can't get all excited about another chemically enhanced individual breaking a sports record while hauling in millions to play a kid's game.  Take away the juiced ball and other "improvements", as well as the steroids, and I seriously doubt anyone would have come close to the Babe.

Jerry

[charlie]

My last baseball hero was Mike Schmitt. of the Philles

[SOKOOLJ]

Sorry, but I can't get all excited about another chemically enhanced individual breaking a sports record while hauling in millions to play a kid's game.  Take away the juiced ball and other "improvements", as well as the steroids, and I seriously doubt anyone would have come close to the Babe.

Jerry

Jerry,
I can't argue, but I am a sports fan. But, the chemicals have been around the sports community since the early '70's, the europeans were using them as early as the late '50's. No pro sport implemented so called testing till, what '03. So any athlete in that time is suspect, just no one cared or talked about it. Hell, I grew up in isolated Utah, and I knew of teens using them in '79. I kinda look at it as a level playing field for all, there just needs to be some real controls in place to clean up the sports world. But as long as kids are getting paid multi million dollars to play kids games, there will be cheating.
BTW, riding is my favorite sport. Damn, that was a     , I need a drink. Lets talk scoots.

[skyglide]

There will be an * in my mind for the home run record when bonds breaks it. You can say this about every professional sport today. It is what it is, so that being said he just as well shatter the record thats what records are for. I really don't care if he takes horse roids or whatever. 

[SPIDERMAN]

Well Barry Bonds hit his 752nd home run today and Hank Aaron's record is only three away. I am no San Fran fan (go BOSOX) but I am a fan of Barry. I'm sure there will be some debate here.

Roger Maris will forever be the single season home run king in my book and Hank Aaron the career home run king. Bonds is a complete idiot.When he weighed 185lbs he hit 40 home runs a year and was always healthy. While he wasn't well liked, no one questioned his athletic ability. So because he got jealous of all the publicity a steroid enhanced MacGuire and steroid enhanced Sosa got, he juiced up to 235 lbs at 37 yrs old (sure, that's absolutely within the bounds of human physiology - - - NOT!) Without the roids, he would have stayed healthy and would have shattered Aaron's record over a 20 yr career without controversy other than his completely chitty personality. Instead he has turned perhaps the most cherished record in professional sports into an embarassment. A-Rod will break the career record some day without ever having come close to breaking the single season record further proving the Bonds is a total piece of chit. Screw Barry Bonds is what I say.

B B

[Ceej]

OK, I am not a baseball fan at all, but how does today's pitching compare to that the Babe faced? What about pitchers and steroids? Just curious and figured I could ask here without looking like a dweeb...at least not as dweebsh

[CVOJOE]

Sorry, but I can't get all excited about another chemically enhanced individual breaking a sports record while hauling in millions to play a kid's game.  Take away the juiced ball and other "improvements", as well as the steroids, and I seriously doubt anyone would have come close to the Babe.
Jerry

Jerry nailed it. Balco Bonds does not deserve the record because of his abuse. Any of know of a weight training program that increases your hat size from 7 to 8? Come on, unless they have an enhanced category and of course include McGuire, Sosa, etc. IMHO.
Joe

P.S. So did Brian

Screw Barry Bonds is what I say.

[Ironhorse]

To me a baseball player is someone like Cal Ripken Jr. I chose Cal because I never saw Lou Gehrig play. For football it's Johnny Unitas. These guys came to work every day, played injured, and never bitched, or whined, or made bad press. They took their natural skills, and made them better by focus and hard work, NOTHING ELSE. I would take an old Cal Ripken over a young Barry Bonds in a hearbeat. I would take a beat up, injured, 37 year old Johnny Unitas over a piece of crap like Michael Vick in a second. Ripken and Unitas know how to win. Bonds and Vick know how to make excuses.

I'm sure this posting may piss a few people off, but that's how I feel.

[Seegarsmkr]

The whole issue is an evolution in sports...how long have steroids been around in baseball...does anyone know for sure?  They have been used in humans since the 30s.  It has been highly publicized that pitchers are the biggest abusers...huh?  Barry Bonds is the fall guy for all of baseball and though I am not a big fan of baseball in general and Bonds in specific it is tough to argue against his greatness.  Before this whole steroid issue came up he was the best of his time, gold gloves, stolen bases, hrs, RBIs.  The playing field is level now just as it always has been.  Talk about the Babe...how many 100 mph pitchers were there in his era.  They used to have 3 pitchers on a whole team...when a pitcher got tired...the had to suck it up...tough to compare to today.  Want more comparisons...how bout a racing car from the 70s to today...so all the records of today need to have an * because the cars are better...?  How bout golf...because of the equipment improvements can we deny who the best of the sport is/are?  I can go on and on with football and my personal favorite hockey but I think I have made my OPINION already.  The beauty of this is that it still is a kids game and we can all discuss/argue all day and as long as we are having a beer and respect while doing it that is what makes sports what they are...a wonderful past time to play and debate.

Seegarz

[Twolanerider]

I honestly could care less about Bonds one way or the other.  I grew up as a kid as a Dodger fan.  So Giants don't matter.

That aside there is one byproduct of the steroids "scandal" that has bothered me a bit.  It is all the bad rap that McGwire has gotten since his retirement.  Much stink has attached itself to him because he happened to be in the same room.

Unlike others he was never a "bad" guy.  Made himself available to fans and media.  Did everything baseball (corporate) and baseball fans could ever ask him to do.  Most importantly during the time he was likely using whatever he was using there were no rules in baseball against it.  So he wasn't cheating by the standards of his days in uniform.

All that being so I personally think the darker light that's been cast upon him the last few years, the poor vote he'll continue to receive for Cooperstown and other things that will continue to haunt him are a bit unfair.

[SPIDERMAN]

Twolane,
             I too liked and respected Mark MacGuire for the way he carried himself and the respect he had for the sport in acting as a goodwill ambasador, but if you look at Mark in his early years with Oakland, he was 6'5" and about 215lbs. At the end 18 some years later, he was 265lbs and non of it was fat. You're a smart guy Don, you know human beings do not GAIN muscle mass as they age and creatin or whatever " legal " substance MacGuire was on doesn't cause you to gain it either. He had to be taking HGH or anabolic steroids to achieve that.

At the end of the day, Baseball Inc chooses to ignore their internal issues with the use of illegal substances by their players. To my way of thinking, Barry Bonds will find his way into the Baseball Hall of Fame, the same way Clarence Thomas got on the Supreme Court - - - - by playing the race card. Because people will defend MacGuire, Bonds gets a free pass. It shouldn't be that way but it is.

[Twolanerider]

Twolane,
             I too liked and respected Mark MacGuire for the way he carried himself and the respect he had for the sport in acting as a goodwill ambasador, but if you look at Mark in his early years with Oakland, he was 6'5" and about 215lbs. At the end 18 some years later, he was 265lbs and non of it was fat. You're a smart guy Don, you know human beings do not GAIN muscle mass as they age and creatin or whatever " legal " substance MacGuire was on doesn't cause you to gain it either. He had to be taking HGH or anabolic steroids to achieve that.

Brian, I completely agree that McGwire was taking something.  Proabably a lot of something.  But it wasn't illegal within baseball's rules during the time he was doing it. 

I'm not a big fan of ex post facto rules.  Punishments stemming from them are even worse. 

If McGwire had violated some rule that was in place while he was playing I'd have no issue it all with writers and members not even considering his place in Cooperstown and some of the other opprobrium he's endured.  But he didn't cheat by the standards of the day in which he played.  I'm not comfortable judging the man by standards that weren't made up until after his career was over.

[CVOJOE]

That's why I don't use flaxseed oil! 

I'd have to go buy new MOCO t-shirts, hats, due the body size increase and hire bodyguards so I could hang out at the grand jury lobby and see what's up with the indictment bizznezz.