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Re: Cybil, My New ‘07A FLHRSE3TQ
« Reply #270 on: October 06, 2007, 09:32:38 PM »

To late....
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Oh, no! :nervous:

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Re: Cybil, My New ‘07A FLHRSE3TQ
« Reply #271 on: October 06, 2007, 10:31:47 PM »

 DID YOU PISS IN GODS CORNFLAKES ?

DAMN,,, you got some really BAD mojo workin against you.

I"m goin ta cross my fingers and wish for some GOOD luck to start rollin your way.

I think your due. :apple:
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Re: Cybil, My New ‘07A FLHRSE3TQ
« Reply #272 on: October 06, 2007, 10:39:00 PM »

Oh, no! :nervous:




Gents, unfortunately a flat tire was the least of Howie's problems today.  Not going to steal his thunder but after the flat tire there were apparently more engine issues.

It was terrible news Howie.  Really sorry to hear this afternoon that more was going on.  Enjoy the weekend with the friends and keep your chin up buddy.
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Re: Cybil, My New ‘07A FLHRSE3TQ
« Reply #273 on: October 06, 2007, 10:40:12 PM »

That's a neat looking part.  I wonder if you could remove the filter, connect that end to the rocker box vents, and let the oil vent back into the crankcase instead of being sucked into the throttle body?  Probably wouldn't work for some reason, but it would sure be nice if it did...

Scrm, when I saw it I immediately thought about the same thing.  Using one of those old fasihioned cross over pipes that go from one head to the other would allow dropping one simple line down.  Think I'd still come up with a couple more fittings to allows the heads to drain downhill to the oil bag while still being able to take a vent hose uphill some place as a pressure release.  The oil shouldn't run up hill (unless it was gawdaful bad) but any pressure could still escape.
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Re: Cybil, My New ‘07A FLHRSE3TQ
« Reply #274 on: October 06, 2007, 11:05:59 PM »


Gents, unfortunately a flat tire was the least of Howie's problems today.  Not going to steal his thunder but after the flat tire there were apparently more engine issues.

It was terrible news Howie.  Really sorry to hear this afternoon that more was going on.  Enjoy the weekend with the friends and keep your chin up buddy.


I must have used up his tire luck while we were riding on the way to Hot Springs?

I guess?

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Re: Cybil, My New ‘07A FLHRSE3TQ
« Reply #275 on: October 07, 2007, 12:16:03 AM »


Gents, unfortunately a flat tire was the least of Howie's problems today.  Not going to steal his thunder but after the flat tire there were apparently more engine issues.

It was terrible news Howie.  Really sorry to hear this afternoon that more was going on.  Enjoy the weekend with the friends and keep your chin up buddy.

Whew!!! I spent the last hour getting caught up on this thread. It was like reading a novel. I was so excited to hear Howie got the bike back in time to make the trip to Q's and Neal's. Then I hear about the flat tire and now more engine issues. I'm sorry Howie, I'm praying that it all works out. God Bless ya Buddy! :2vrolijk_21:

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Re: Cybil, My New ‘07A FLHRSE3TQ
« Reply #276 on: October 07, 2007, 12:20:22 AM »

 
Oh, crap!  Major bummer, Howie! :stars: :smilie_daumenneg: :puke:  Youze know we was just kiddin' ya about the piston balancing thing, don't ya?  What a load of chit to have even more motor trouble.  Cripe!

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Re: Cybil, My New ‘07A FLHRSE3TQ
« Reply #277 on: October 07, 2007, 01:38:49 AM »

BH, the Dyno sheet's on P1 of this thread, and in the SERK Dyno Thread. 126.2TQ/120HP. The build is the same cams and specs as before. Just tried to make it even stronger this time around!

Todays Update:

200 miles on new top end now. Running fine so far. Puking from breather like before. Feuling thought I should have broken it in with dino oil instead of the M1V-Twin. But they're going to make me a custom crancase breather to test for them. It vents from the oil tank and is piped to a filter under the frame. I'll try it out. Anything to stop that annoying puking. S&S makes something that goes in the cam chest. I have to check on that one too. Anyone know anything about that one?

Been bringing the revs up now. Feels great. Had it up to about 90 a few times. Up and down in the R's to get them rings seated. about 120 miles to Q's tonight. I'll stop once and let it cool on the way. Then another 120 to Neal's from Q's. Same thing on that leg. There'll be close to 500 by the time we do the group ride. Should be broken in enought that I doubt I'll be holding anyone back.

But it seems OK and I'm happy to have Cybil back on the road! Life doesn't suck right now! ;D

Enjoy your holiday weekend everyone! ;)

Hoist! 8)

Howie, the S&S reed valve breather works very well, I have used it in 6 or so builds that had pukeing issues. It is not suppost to be used with the Fueling pump thought :-\.

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Re: Cybil, My New ‘07A FLHRSE3TQ
« Reply #278 on: October 08, 2007, 09:38:56 AM »

Hey gang, I'm back! In one piece too! And had a great time after dealing with my rear flat issue en route to Neal's on Sat morning. And I can't thank Q enough for all the assisance he provided, and for refusing to leave us alone, even though I tried to persuade him to go and not ruin his day, even though mine already was at that point! Tire had less than 300 miles on it, as it was replaced immediately prior to the HS trip, which the bike never made. I musta ran over something nasty, after finding not 1, not 2, or 3, but 4 holes in the tire! How the hell does that happen. And no, I wasn't running from the cops, and riding a wheelie over a spike strip they would throw out to catch me. ::) More on the tire experience elsewhere to follow, since I need to thank the people from the Honda dealer that helped me, after HD left me stranded!

Todays Update:

Didn't really get to catch up on 5 pages of uread threads yet, so I don't know how rampant the rumors are here regarding this build. So I'll set the record straight and update ya'll now. But I'll continue crap for the continuing breaking down of this engine, even though ya'll really know I'm doing everything humanly possible to make this POS 110 the best it can be and be totally reliable, in spite of HD's inability of doing same.

Now the latest on the engine. It's running fine. But there apparently was an issue with the attitude of the HD tech that built it again. I found out from 2 of the vendors I was dealing with, that he had major attitude issues with both of them when he found out he'd have to do more than just reassembling the engine. He wanted to treat it as "bolt-on HD parts build", as opposed to a custom engine build. Bitching about all the clearancing required, necessary adjustments, etc. There's no place for a bad attitude when assembling a custom motor. So that lack of proper attention led to a problem that surfaced by Fri, with less than 200 miles on it, and the engine never taken over 3000 RPM.

Hopefully this is the only issue he caused by his rushing to finish this before his vacation. A noise appeared and I traced it to a leaking rear cyl. head gasket. With the parts we used, this is only possible by not assembling it properly and rushing the reassembly. It is leaking alongside of the rear head, on the spark plug side. When cold, it makes a "chirping" noise, and you feel the compression leaking when placing your hand alongside the gasket area there. The rings are doing their job and holding any oil back from leaking, but the air leak is very apparent. This occurs when cold and is getting a little worse after each ride. It seals up after getting heated up, after all the metal expands to operating temp. The bike is running hotter too, and I believe that's because it's probably a little leaner due to the air leak. Oilt temp's gotten as high as 246 deg now.

When I first found this issue, I was furious when I heard about his lack of concern when assembling it, especially when he was "supposedly" taking great care in the reassembly. I only found out about this "attitude problem" after I called both vendors on Fri. He was already gone by then. I immediately made the decision to pull the motor, and have it completely rebuilt by a professional engine builder, like Wes, or replace it completely with aftermarket engine. I was leaning toward rebuilding it, including full Timkin conversion and replacement crank assembly, due to CVO originality, matching numbers, and the amount of $$ already put into the top end. Q offered to drop the motor off in Tampa next weekend, on his way to Daytona.

Well, after riding it all weekend, with the bike still running excellent, I decided right now, to first try snugging the headbolts to make the trip to MV. That is, if I cant get the gasket replaced by tomorrow, which is doubtful. If I can stop the leak by re torquing the head temporarily, I'll take my chances on the 2000 mile trip. I'll replace the rear gasket when I return. I'll probably have my friend's aftermarket shop do all the work from now on. What the hell was I thinking letting a dealer do this work. I had good comfort level after "taking care of him NYC style ;)", and due to the way I was being taken care of. I was confident he was doing the right thing, only to find he reverted to typical HD tech lack of caring while I wasn't there to "supervise".

After making the repair, I'll still be real nervous about how this motor was reassembled. But since it's running so well now, I see no reason to yank the engine yet. I can always do that if things take a turn for the worst. We do not want to cancel yet another trip with the bike, as it's been such a major disappointment all year. But I'm still plugging away with my usual zealousness, with my goal of making this bike the absolute perfect SERK. I'm still confident that it can be done, and will apply my same "pit bull" approach in getting it there. Hoist don't give up that easy. The thick skin might be wearing a little, but this rhinoceros can't be dissuaded that easily. I will persevere in this mission, and Cybil will rise from the ashes again, and live to ride many useful years under my ass!!! :2vrolijk_21:

More to follow on this continuing saga. Ya'll didn't really want it to end anyway. You'll miss all the entertainment value this thread has been providing over the past few months. And after all, this thread is only 19 pages long!!! :P ;D

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Re: Cybil, My New ‘07A FLHRSE3TQ
« Reply #279 on: October 08, 2007, 10:06:07 AM »

This might not be a new part for Feuling Howie.  For awhile now they've had a pressure vent on the market the vented at the oil fill.  They market it as a pressure vent for those that have trouble blowing out dipsticks.  The kit is a new oil fill cover with an extra fitting tapped in to it for a vent line.  If memory serves it's just open to atmosphere with a little filter on the end.  Will see if I can find it......


Ok, either they've superceded the old kit I was thinking of or I remembered it incorrectly.  Rather than tapping a new fitting in to the oil fill housing the kit now replaced the vent/drainback line in the housing with a new one that offers the vent fitting.  Certainly an easier and smarter installation.  Feuling part number 3080.

Don, I've already been talking to Feuling about using this part, but it is not compatible with the '07. We've been discussing them designing it for the '07, and using my bike to test it on. So I'm wating on a time frame for this to happen. But I'll be happy to try it if they make it for me. :2vrolijk_21:

Howie, the S&S reed valve breather works very well, I have used it in 6 or so builds that had pukeing issues. It is not suppost to be used with the Fueling pump thought :-\.

Thanks Jim! I will also be doing this S&S mod as well, and have my friend's shop install it after returning from MV. I've heard some excellent results achieved doing this mod.

And since this was PM'd to me, I'll leave the member's name out. I'll leave it to him if he wants to address this with ya'll. But he also suggested the following, which was not done, and I might try. Not sure if it's applicable to SE forged rocker supports, or only stock. "btw, your builder probably did this, but opening the tiny holes in the rocker support under the vent housings in the heads will help drain oil faster from vent area------helping with puking." Makes sense, but I'll need to look into it a little further.

Thanks to all for these great suggestions. This issue was annoying as hell this weekend, as the tech also overfilled the engine oil too! :o

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Re: Cybil, My New ‘07A FLHRSE3TQ
« Reply #280 on: October 08, 2007, 10:14:45 AM »

glad you made it home with no excitement. we might need to think about renaming cybil. maybe something from mythology. like the phoenix rising from the ashes or somethin

the flame pattern does look familiar.....
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Re: Cybil, My New ‘07A FLHRSE3TQ
« Reply #281 on: October 08, 2007, 10:20:00 AM »

Don, I've already been talking to Feuling about using this part, but it is not compatible with the '07. We've been discussing them designing it for the '07, and using my bike to test it on. So I'm wating on a time frame for this to happen. But I'll be happy to try it if they make it for me. :2vrolijk_21:

Thanks Jim! I will also be doing this S&S mod as well, and have my friend's shop install it after returning from MV. I've heard some excellent results achieved doing this mod.

And since this was PM'd to me, I'll leave the member's name out. I'll leave it to him if he wants to address this with ya'll. But he also suggested the following, which was not done, and I might try. Not sure if it's applicable to SE forged rocker supports, or only stock. "btw, your builder probably did this, but opening the tiny holes in the rocker support under the vent housings in the heads will help drain oil faster from vent area------helping with puking." Makes sense, but I'll need to look into it a little further.

Thanks to all for these great suggestions. This issue was annoying as hell this weekend, as the tech also overfilled the engine oil too! :o

Hoist! 8)

This is a good suggestion - TP Engineering has suggested doing this, as does Doherty...
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Re: Cybil, My New ‘07A FLHRSE3TQ
« Reply #282 on: October 08, 2007, 11:42:44 AM »

but opening the tiny holes in the rocker support under the vent housings in the heads will help drain oil faster from vent area------helping with puking." Makes sense, but I'll need to look into it a little further.




Howie, the assembler is gone on his vacation now so it's probably next to impossible to verify if it was done or not.  But the instruction sheet Doherty provides with the MystFree parts pretty pointedly suggest doing this.  So he might have done it the first time through.
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Re: Cybil, My New ‘07A FLHRSE3TQ
« Reply #283 on: October 08, 2007, 11:50:40 AM »

You'd be surprised the number of techs that don't read the instructions as they know everything in their minds.  Being overfull on engine oil certainly doesn't help.  It sadly doesn't matter how good the parts are if they aren't installed correctly.  We shouldn't have to stand over their shoulder to make sure it's done right.  The fellow being on vacation doesn't help either to answer questions.  It's been a long ordeal and i'm sorry you are having all these problems.
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Re: Cybil, My New ‘07A FLHRSE3TQ
« Reply #284 on: October 08, 2007, 11:59:36 AM »

Hey gang, I'm back! In one piece too! And had a great time after dealing with my rear flat issue en route to Neal's on Sat morning. And I can't thank Q enough for all the assisance he provided, and for refusing to leave us alone, even though I tried to persuade him to go and not ruin his day, even though mine already was at that point! ...

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yes...Thank you thank you thank you to Q and Heather. Thanks for sticking by us and helping to make a miserable situation much more pleasant. You guys are awsome!  :-*
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