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Re: Is Crank Runout What It Appears To Be?
« Reply #15 on: November 16, 2007, 07:21:51 PM »

Nobody makes cases for the '06Dyna/'07's/'08's but HD and Jims, or I would have! That's the only reason I got new HD cases for this build JC. ;)

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Thanks for the education Howie......didn't know that. 

Man, not only does Harley have to come out with a better paint job than the 04/05 SEEGs, they also have to come out with a better motor if they expect me to go newer.
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Re: Is Crank Runout What It Appears To Be?
« Reply #16 on: November 16, 2007, 08:02:13 PM »

No I didn't because you spent it anyway!!! How's the new bike?

Actually I was looking for second one to have a matching set.
You know the drill.
If Nancy ain't happy ain't nobody happy!

On my SERG, it went to the doctor today.
Just a check up and fine tune.
A really fine tune.
Should get it back on the 26th.
Nothin any finer than to be in Carolina with a fine running stock SERG.


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Thanks for all your help.
If it had been nice I was going to call Todd and see what he could do.

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Re: Is Crank Runout What It Appears To Be?
« Reply #17 on: November 16, 2007, 09:11:36 PM »

mrootberg, the runout was checked on the truing stand. That means the runout is even worse than can ever be expected IMO. Completely unacceptable runout. The flywheel assembly in these motors are pure crap! I'll bet that you can pull a crank from any 110 and check it, and find that you shouldn't be running a motor with them. Yet we're all running these motors. Be aware everyone. These motors appear to all be ticking time bombs! :smilie_daumenneg:

On that note, my new S&S flywheels showed up today. They look like an excellent quality product. They were put on the truing stand and measure .0000" on the comp side and .0005"  on the pinion side! That's what I'm talking about. They'll spend a few days on the truing stand to see if they're stable or change any, before the bottom end is assembled. :2vrolijk_21:

HD if your reading this, how can you not be totally embarrassed with the junk you make these motors from. And then not care enough that to fix the mess. Just change the specs instead! And ya'll wonder why there won't be one HD part in my new motor! I think it's painfully obvious to all by now! ::)

So the process begins to build a totally reliable bulletproof 110" engine. Not rocket science. Only careful enough to use the best parts, and care enough to assemble it correctly. You've been doing it long enough HD. Don't claim ignorance now, and say you don't know why these engines have problems. Take one apart and see what crap it really is. You guys know damn well what you need to do to fix it. Care enough to spend the $$$ to build a proper engine. Period. Charge more if you have to. That way your precious shareholders will still get their vig. You'll actually maintain a good reputation instead of the lousy one you have now!

All right, getting off my :soapbox: now. But ya'll should be getting awful pissed by reading this. You're all affected by it whether you know it or not, like it or not! >:(

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Re: Is Crank Runout What It Appears To Be?
« Reply #18 on: November 18, 2007, 03:37:32 PM »

Hoist you are doing it the right way. About what you said above, it isn't a soap box. Anyone who has had a 110 that they ride more then bar to bar, or anyone who has seen this forum more then once has to say AMEN.
I also want to thank all of you on this site who have shared knowledge and or experiences. You are all a wealth of info. Hell , I almost got it right by paing attention. 
Close ain't good enough ! :( :( :(
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Re: Is Crank Runout What It Appears To Be?
« Reply #19 on: November 18, 2007, 03:46:03 PM »

Hoist you are doing it the right way. About what you said above, it isn't a soap box. Anyone who has had a 110 that they ride more then bar to bar, or anyone who has seen this forum more then once has to say AMEN.
I also want to thank all of you on this site who have shared knowledge and or experiences. You are all a wealth of info. Hell , I almost got it right by paing attention. 
Close ain't good enough ! :( :( :(

Thanks mr! Close ain't good enough is right! And enough is enough as well! Hope these HD cases can handle it. That'll be the only HD part that's left in it now! ;)

Best of luck to ya mr! :drink:

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Re: Is Crank Runout What It Appears To Be?
« Reply #20 on: November 18, 2007, 04:51:58 PM »

You guys are making me feel good about deciding to keep my '04 SEEG instead of pooping for a new one.
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Re: Is Crank Runout What It Appears To Be?
« Reply #21 on: November 18, 2007, 04:58:30 PM »

You guys are making me feel good about deciding to keep my '04 SEEG instead of pooping for a new one.

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Re: Is Crank Runout What It Appears To Be?
« Reply #22 on: November 18, 2007, 08:40:00 PM »

I was about to buy my other half a 2008 FXDSE but now I'm not.  My Pumpkin will stay forever but I really need to upgrade the wife's bike.  Thanks for the input on the 110's, this is the best CVO sight around.

One question, does the 96" and the 110" use the same crank?

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Re: Is Crank Runout What It Appears To Be?
« Reply #23 on: November 18, 2007, 08:46:30 PM »

I was about to buy my other half a 2008 FXDSE but now I'm not.  My Pumpkin will stay forever but I really need to upgrade the wife's bike.  Thanks for the input on the 110's, this is the best CVO sight around.

One question, does the 96" and the 110" use the same crank?

Tom :pumpkin:


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Re: Is Crank Runout What It Appears To Be?
« Reply #24 on: November 18, 2007, 08:57:20 PM »

Chip

I'm building a new plant there right now but had to slow the project down do to the fact that our largest customer up in Statesville has taken a 45% slid in sales.

Any suggestion on a bike for MAP, maybe I should go used and do rebuild, I was going to pickup the FXDSE Monday, I'm not sure how my dealer will take the news but it's my money.

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Re: Is Crank Runout What It Appears To Be?
« Reply #25 on: November 18, 2007, 09:05:22 PM »

Chip

I'm building a new plant there right now but had to slow the project down do to the fact that our largest customer up in Statesville has taken a 45% slid in sales.

Any suggestion on a bike for MAP, maybe I should go used and do rebuild, I was going to pickup the FXDSE Monday, I'm not sure how my dealer will take the news but it's my money.

Tom  :pumpkin: 

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Re: Is Crank Runout What It Appears To Be?
« Reply #26 on: November 19, 2007, 08:29:35 AM »

I was about to buy my other half a 2008 FXDSE but now I'm not.  My Pumpkin will stay forever but I really need to upgrade the wife's bike.  Thanks for the input on the 110's, this is the best CVO sight around.

One question, does the 96" and the 110" use the same crank?

Tom :pumpkin:
Tom,

Same crankshaft is used for '07 and later 96, 103, 110.  Have read of the same crank runout issues on stock 96 inchers. 

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Re: Is Crank Runout What It Appears To Be?
« Reply #27 on: November 19, 2007, 03:31:13 PM »

Getting back to Hoist's original question about measuring runout on both ends of the crank -I think it could be a necessity. On my bike the dealer measured .009" of runout on the pinion end of the crank. Not good, but not bad enough to qualify for a new crankshaft.  Then they took a measurement on the compensator end and found .020" of runout. The Mo Co authorized replacement of the crankshaft, cylinders, and rings but no new engine. When they got the crank out and measured it on a truing stand the maximum runout they found was .014".

I think Hoist is on the right track to have the runout checked on both ends of the crank because they won't necessarily be the same. On the other hand it doesn't look like we can just add the two runout measurements together to get the total -at least based on the limited information from the measurements of my old crank.

BTW the new crank showed .001" runout on the truing stand before installation. I had the new crank balanced, but no Timken conversion or welding. The dealer said any other modifications to the engine would void the w.....ty, and while I would really like to take a route similar to Hoist's I'm not ready to foot the bill for any future w.....ty problems. It will be interesting to see if the new crank stays at .001" runout, or if it will change as we put more miles on it.

Score so far:
Head gaskets replaced 3 times
Both cylinders replaced 2 times
Rings replaced 2 times
Crankshaft replaced once

Approx. 300 miles since latest work, and have oil weeping at base of rear cylinder.
The bike has a little over 10k miles total, and about 10 months left on the original w.....ty.

I love my FLHRSE3, but the engine problems are starting to get a little depressing!  :(
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Re: Is Crank Runout What It Appears To Be?
« Reply #28 on: November 19, 2007, 09:25:01 PM »

Thanks Jerry, I learn more every day.

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Re: Is Crank Runout What It Appears To Be?
« Reply #29 on: November 19, 2007, 09:43:40 PM »

Howie, Thanks for the insight of another area I need to address for my winter build. Now that my scoot has developed the dreaded rear cylinder head leak, I am looking into replacing the entire top end with RevPref or Axtell cylinders, different heads as the 110's are CHIT. While they are putting in the timkins', I have em check the crank on a truing stand, both ends.

I do not believe I will buy a new Harley ever again. Thank God I kept my old ones.  Hey MoCo  Kiss this!

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