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[sadunbar]

Hey Scott?  Different contenders.  But is this the kind thread you were asking about ?

       

                

[Twolanerider]

I almost wish the very nice folks that do work for the HD shops would just share their experience from their own perspective and not even try to fend off all the attacks that will come their way.

Jamey just said to me when I tried to explain to him what was going on -----
Nice people aren't they"
 If they don't like what you post they can delete you entirely or run you off with attacks.
I really think you are nice people and it seems in the Introduction Thread ---- should never be the place to attack someone.

My Humble Opinion Only of course..............

Candy, the gentleman wasn't treated badly before he left.  In fact if there was any insult given it was him to the crowd for thinking so lazy an intellectual effort would pass muster.  General courtesy to discuss and describe what he knew was given him before he bugged out though.  After he left... well... then it's just been a free fire zone.

Speaking (I think) more to what you're asking, however, it's something several of us have expressed before.  During the bad paint discussion/fiasco and again during the 110 issues.  The same thought also came up during a discussion of Chip having an HD rep at Maggie Valley.

The general tenor that we've all seemed to agree on and hope for (oh gawd how some have hoped for it) is that HD would simply learn the lessons of the Nixon administration.  Just say what happened or what's happening, what they know and what they don't yet know.  No BS.  No pacification.  Just "guys, this is it, we screwed up, sorry, this is what we're going to do about it.  We might need a bit of time to get it right.  We actually do give a chit.  We're sorry we didn't get it right the first time.  We will get it right though."

Instead of a contextual version of something like that we get nonsense, runaround, obfuscation and are treated like a Mushroom Committee.  Their client base are generally intelligent, efficent, effective professionals.  For lord's sake just treat them like it.  They don't trust their client base to tell them that or don't respect them enough to think they need to.  If they did their world would actually be so much easier though.

[ccr]

Candy, the gentleman wasn't treated badly before he left.  In fact if there was any insult given it was him to the crowd for thinking so lazy an intellectual effort would pass muster.  General courtesy to discuss and describe what he knew was given him before he bugged out though.  After he left... well... then it's just been a free fire zone.

Speaking (I think) more to what you're asking, however, it's something several of us have expressed before.  During the bad paint discussion/fiasco and again during the 110 issues.  The same thought also came up during a discussion of Chip having an HD rep at Maggie Valley.

The general tenor that we've all seemed to agree on and hope for (oh gawd how some have hoped for it) is that HD would simply learn the lessons of the Nixon administration.  Just say what happened or what's happening, what they know and what they don't yet know.  No BS.  No pacification.  Just "guys, this is it, we screwed up, sorry, this is what we're going to do about it.  We might need a bit of time to get it right.  We actually do give a chit.  We're sorry we didn't get it right the first time.  We will get it right though."

Instead of a contextual version of something like that we get nonsense, runaround, obfuscation and are treated like a Mushroom Committee.  Their client base are generally intelligent, efficient, effective professionals.  For lord's sake just treat them like it.  They don't trust their client base to tell them that or don't respect them enough to think they need to.  If they did their world would actually be so much easier though.

I so agree with every thing you write.  If indeed a representative from the HD MoCo was brave enough -I'd not recommend it - to try to come here and answer every one's questions and concerns they'd have to come prepared to answer honestly everything. 

This young person - I am not even sure I spent enough time to figure if it was a lad or a lady, just wanted to pipe in and be helpful.  I am not sure we, the whole we as a collective, invited him or her in our honest, non adversary way just saying hey, welcome, nice bike what have you done.  Instead, the poor newbie said I work for a dealer and I will try to help and that turned into why don't you tell us the behind the scenes info about the horrible 110 story.  If he does in fact know it, his not much over minimum wage job is not worth loosing over telling it. From what I have figured out.  I just think sometimes, those that are comfortable here, need to let others get comfortable too before we impale them.

Again ---- over sensitive I am sure, just throwing out an alternative mind set on the subject that has already resolved itself.

[Keats]

Some of you guys are on him like white on rice,
I love this site for the info, but is it possible (just a little) that the expected results are a little skewed?
What I mean by this....if you read the posts on the 110 you would expect that there is a 100% failure guaranteed on the 110.
Now I do not have enough miles on my bike to be any kind reference but I am friends with at least 3 mechanics with 2 different Harley Dealerships and 1 independent.
The Independent may not be privy to recent info but he still has contacts at a third dealership and he does not know of any systematic issue other than excessive heat.
The place where I bought my bike from, I have a loose relationship with the GM (my relationship is more businessman to businessman than customer) and a tech and after the inquiry to them, they looked at me like I was from mars (this is not a conspiracy)
The second dealership (from which I am friendly) also looked like a deer in the headlight and had not a clue what I was talking about.
So I am not sure the issues are as wide spread as the forum might tend to lead us to.
I may eventually fall victim to this issue myself (hope not), but I think it is a possibility that the forum may have a built in bias and may attract people who have had issues.  Only a thought?

[SBB]

This place is funny!

Hoist!

Damn

There I go agreeing with Hoist. It's a crazy world!

I guess what all this means is we should be nicer to Dennis.

At least he has held in here long enough to get past newbie status!

Go Dennis (rednectum) 

[Keats]

If he's legit, I'll take the bullet. I asked about the engines to start it off. But he offered. And I thought I was being nice.

Hell of an intro thread. Too bad. He seemed to know his chit. It's always good to have another gearhead here. Oh well. Wadda ya gonna do?

Hoist!

You guys would eat your young for sport, maybe he was not real but if he was, what did he do to deserve the welcome  posse?

[sadunbar]

Some of you guys are on him like white on rice,
I love this site for the info, but is it possible (just a little) that the expected results are a little skewed?
What I mean by this....if you read the posts on the 110 you would expect that there is a 100% failure guaranteed on the 110.
Now I do not have enough miles on my bike to be any kind reference but I am friends with at least 3 mechanics with 2 different Harley Dealerships and 1 independent.
The Independent may not be privy to recent info but he still has contacts at a third dealership and he does not know of any systematic issue other than excessive heat.
The place where I bought my bike from, I have a loose relationship with the GM (my relationship is more businessman to businessman than customer) and a tech and after the inquiry to them, they looked at me like I was from mars (this is not a conspiracy)
The second dealership (from which I am friendly) also looked like a deer in the headlight and had not a clue what I was talking about.
So I am not sure the issues are as wide spread as the forum might tend to lead us to.
I may eventually fall victim to this issue myself (hope not), but I think it is a possibility that the forum may have a built in bias and may attract people who have had issues.  Only a thought?

Sorry, but I am not buying it...  I was a member of the forum well over a year before my rear head gasket failed.  I joined the site because I now own my forth CVO and this site is dedicated to the CVO product - not because I had a 110 motor failure.  Most I know on this forum were members prior to their 110 failure.  Sure, I have no doubt that there are members that after having a failure did an internet search and found this site, but I would suggest it is the minority - not the majority of us.  Interesting thought, but I disagree.  If there are dealers who after a year plus are not aware of this issue, it is a sad commentary for the MOCO and the dealerships.  Any level of interest from dealers of their customers issues would cause them to be aware of this issue...

Scott

[ccr]

Sorry, but I am not buying it...  I was a member of the forum well over a year before my rear head gasket failed.  I joined the site because I now own my forth CVO and this site is dedicated to the CVO product - not because I had a 110 motor failure.  Most I know on this forum were members prior to their 110 failure.  Sure, I have no doubt that there are members that after having a failure did an internet search and found this site, but I would suggest it is the minority - not the majority of us.  Interesting thought, but I disagree.  If there are dealers who after a year plus are not aware of this issue, it is a sad commentary for the MOCO and the dealerships.  Any level of interest from dealers of their customers issues would cause them to be aware of this issue...

Scott

Then you are saying that the MoCo has sworn it's employees to deny, deny, deny any 110 issues? 

No, can't be.  Yes, I am being sarcastic.  I am not living the problem, but have seen a few 110 bikes in the shop and wondered why? 

[Keats]

Sorry, but I am not buying it...  I was a member of the forum well over a year before my rear head gasket failed.  I joined the site because I now own my forth CVO and this site is dedicated to the CVO product - not because I had a 110 motor failure.  Most I know on this forum were members prior to their 110 failure.  Sure, I have no doubt that there are members that after having a failure did an internet search and found this site, but I would suggest it is the minority - not the majority of us.  Interesting thought, but I disagree.  If there are dealers who after a year plus are not aware of this issue, it is a sad commentary for the MOCO and the dealerships.  Any level of interest from dealers of their customers issues would cause them to be aware of this issue...

Scott

Why would it be a sad commentary for a dealership not to be aware of a problem they have not experienced?
I would agree with you if the failure rate is up to what you believe it is, but I am not so sure......
The dealerships I had access to really do not have much interests in hiding their issues, not enough 110's avail to be a concern over selling.

[sadunbar]

Then you are saying that the MoCo has sworn it's employees to deny, deny, deny any 110 issues? 

No, can't be.  Yes, I am being sarcastic.  I am not living the problem, but have seen a few 110 bikes in the shop and wondered why? 

Nope  - that is not at all what I am saying.  What I am saying is if they don't know about the issue - they should.  If they truly have a deer in the headlights look - then the MOCO has failed their customers and the dealerships have failed their customers.  I am not saying the dealerships are "lying".  I am saying they should know about the issue after well over a year...

I am also saying the forum is not "attracting" members because of 110 motor issues.  The forum has members who bought 110 motors - who then had failures.

hope that clarifies my thoughts...Scott

Scott

[Twolanerider]

You guys would eat your young for sport, maybe he was not real but if he was, what did he do to deserve the welcome  posse?

He actually didn't get the posse until after he'd left.  But that did seem to be something of a confirmation he deserved the posse.  Before he left he'd not been treated harshly.  In fact he'd been allowed the opportunity to discuss the hole he'd rather well created for himself.  His problem was he tried to blow smoke up everyone's ass.  When that didn't work very well he just went away.  When he did (go away) is when the carnival ride began.  But it was after the fact and not before. 

Before he left he was asked questions (just as he reqested be asked of him) and he was allowed the opportunity to answer.  Trouble was there weren't answers to extricate from the box he realized he'd created.  He wasn't abused.  He just chose a tactical retreat.

[SBB]

You guys would eat your young for sport, maybe he was not real but if he was, what did he do to deserve the welcome  posse?

I'm not buying into that either! If the guy has the bike he says he has and works at a Harley dealership then it's not his first ride in the rodeo of life!
The post by Hoist was very nice and in response to the guys own offer of help.
The post by Hoist was a lot nicer than mine and I thought mine was very easy on him.
Just a question for a guy that offered to answer our questions.
I think the best response is if the guy would "man up" then all could be and would be well!

 

[sadunbar]

Why would it be a sad commentary for a dealership not to be aware of a problem they have not experienced?
I would agree with you if the failure rate is up to what you believe it is, but I am not so sure......
The dealerships I had access to really do not have much interests in hiding their issues, not enough 110's avail to be a concern over selling.

It is a sad commentary because there is no communication between the MOCO and its dealerships.  The MOCO should inform its dealerships of issues such as these.  I should not take a dealership actually experiencing a failure for them to be aware of it.  Those of us who have experienced this issue feel fairly strongly about the issue.  If you join the ranks, and I hope you don't, I suspect your perspective may change somewhat...

[ccr]

Nope  - that is not at all what I am saying.  What I am saying is if they don't know about the issue - they should.  If they truly have a deer in the headlights look - then the MOCO has failed their customers and the dealerships have failed their customers.  I am not saying the dealerships are "lying".  I am saying they should know about the issue after well over a year...

I am also saying the forum is not "attracting" members because of 110 motor issues.  The forum has members who bought 110 motors - who then had failures.

hope that clarifies my thoughts...Scott

Scott

You are right, if in fact this is true.  Just I have been to a dealership ----- I love the folks who work there and they have treated me and my husband so right so not talking bad about them, but I know I have seen no less then three 110 engine bikes in their service department and was told they were there because of engine failures, then a member here that goes to the same shop is told that they have "never heard" of engine problems on the 110 engines, seems to me that there is some kind of corporate line that employees are being told they must adhere to, and that is to deny 110 engine problems.  

Don't get me wrong, I have no vested interest in the issue. I do not have these problems.  Just don't think I am going to continue to be naive in thinking "they" don't know.  

[Keats]

Now there is a perfect poll.....

how many found the site after 110 problems?

I found the site through Hdforum and I certainly have had no problems,  but some of you are making me feel guilty that

I have not!

sounds like support group.......Yes I own a 110  for 120 days and I have had no problems, but there is still hope!