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[ultrafxr]

I have sent this to a couple of owners, but maybe the word isn't getting out yet.  I had a rear cylinder oil leak at the bottome of the cylinder, My friend is a Harley tech and a very good one. He looked at it and thought it was just the gasket, then found another small oil leak at the top gasket. It was due for service and under warranty so he said he would take care of it when I took the bike in. He pulled it apart and found that the rear cylinder sleeve was loose. His best guess is that the pistons vibrate to much, which cause the cylinder sleeves to come loose on the touring models as they already have more vibration that the softail models. There were more bikes waiting to be worked on for GASKETS, but now they now the real problem. They replaced the cylinders and pistons under warranty, but then I realized they were just putting in they same thing which are defective. Got a couple of techs together and asked what will happen if the sleeves come completely loose. Of course the ansewer is your engine will lock up as you will blow all the gaskets and if the sleeve comes loose on the down stroke you will have a major engine failure. So if you are riding and passing a big rig into oncoming traffic and it happens you are most likely deceased.  There was a band new 2008 SE Ultra , just taken out of the crate that was already leaking when they started it up. NO recall from Harley, no service bulletin, no notifying current owners and they are still selling these bikes to unsuspecting customers. I talked to the Dealer owner, ansewer, we will keep on fixing them as long as they are under warranty, no we won't give you the 113 set up unless you pay for it, suggested I buy the extended service plan to keep on covering the problem, nobody has been killed yet, so Harley won't recall all the bikes and be stuck with them. Great,. So the problem isn't the gaskets that a lot of dealers are saying it is as they are unaware of the cylinder sleeves coming loose and are just replacing gaskets.

Most everyone is aware of the cylinder sleeve movement.  Not heard of any 'gasket' leak that did not involve the cyl also.  And moco tech svsc is certainly aware of it since they will instruct the dealer to inspect the cylinder.  You are correct that throwing more / different gaskets at the problem probably is not going to solve it.  May be Howie's route with aftermarket parts is the solution if you don't want to keep fixing it under warranty.  Either way it sucks big time that we have to contend with this chit.

[petapig]

 I sold mine, after carefull consideration. I had the Corbin touring heated seat, 2 into 1 exhaust, SE 257 cams, Corbin travel trunk and wind tab etc, a lot of bucks, took about a $10,000 loss but at least I won't have to deal with the maybe fatal lock up. Got a very nice 2005 SE Ultra, 116HP and 119 Lbs of Torque , full extended service plan and the realy nice gear drive Andewes 67G cams, and V&H 2 into 1, XM radio set up  etc. much nice, faster bike. 

[NukeIT]

Most everyone is aware of the cylinder sleeve movement.  Not heard of any 'gasket' leak that did not involve the cyl also.  And moco tech svsc is certainly aware of it since they will instruct the dealer to inspect the cylinder.  You are correct that throwing more / different gaskets at the problem probably is not going to solve it.  May be Howie's route with aftermarket parts is the solution if you don't want to keep fixing it under warranty.  Either way it sucks big time that we have to contend with this chit.

I was just wondering has anyone reported their problems to the NHTSA. They keep track of possible safety problems with all automoblies and motorcycles. This may seem extreme but if no one is reporting the issues then it seems as if the MoCo is not going to fix the problem.

I haven't even picked up my cuse3 yet(still cant wait for it to come in), but I am worried that they are just going to keep putting a bandaid on it until it is out of warranty and then they are going to charge you an arm and a leg to fix their defect. Even worse motor seizing and getting hurt....

[petapig]

do you have any way to get out of the deal right now. This will be worthless once the general public knows. I just happened on this web site, didnot even know about it earlier. Can see know there are a lot of pewople responing and if you look at the survey on the leaking oil, about 45 people have it and thats just on this limited site. A lot f dealers don't even know about it yet as they have no screaming eagle touring bikes coming in, or they thought it was just a gasket and replaced the gaskets. Who in thier right miond would buy one of these knowing about this and Harelys response.

[miker]

do you have any way to get out of the deal right now. This will be worthless once the general public knows. I just happened on this web site, didnot even know about it earlier. Can see know there are a lot of pewople responing and if you look at the survey on the leaking oil, about 45 people have it and thats just on this limited site. A lot f dealers don't even know about it yet as they have no screaming eagle touring bikes coming in, or they thought it was just a gasket and replaced the gaskets. Who in thier right miond would buy one of these knowing about this and Harelys response.

Someone who has bought harley before...  

I think you should get 3 days minimum to recsind

[petapig]

Thats a good reply.  I have had at least 8 screaming eagles, loved them all and spent a fortune on them, but this Cylinder sleeve deal is way beyound anything I ever ran into on any bike. You would think that the group of people who buy the SE models all at least have big bucks to spend or good credit and are buying the top of the line bike. If I owed harley I would be sending out a personal message explaining the problems with the 110 engines and assuming I am correct and they won't be making them anymore for 2009, I would at least replace the defective parts with whatever it takes to match the new 2009 engine. There are 2 more problems that I know of, The excessive vibration on these bikes, that can start anytime. Mine was right from the factory and it vibrated a lot more than any other bike I ever owed. Local dealer said there was nothing wrong with it, and if there is don't worry about it, if something goes out it is under warranty and they will fix it. I went to another dealer, they test road the bike and said there was something very wrong with it but didnot know what was causing the problem. Finally they contacted Harley TECH service, and got authorization to run some tests on it, which showed nothing wrong, but of course the vibation was geting worse. I know see on this site were engines are being replaced because of this problem. Then you have the main electrical wiring harness that shorts out. Took 3 weeks of working on the bike to finally figure out what was causing the fuse to keep blowing and you could not start the bike. Finally got a new harness for it and it worked fine, so far. Of course the tech's don't want to work on warranty items because they don't make any money for the amount of time they spend working on them.  You would think that when Harley is charging $75 to $85.00 an hour that the Techs would be well paid, but most are making about $13.00 an hour if they are lucky.   Love the Harley image, and like most always wanted one, then really got hooked, but maybe the new slogan should be American Made with American defective parts HA HA HA

[miker]

Thats a good reply.  I have had at least 8 screaming eagles, loved them all and spent a fortune on them, but this Cylinder sleeve deal is way beyound anything I ever ran into on any bike. You would think that the group of people who buy the SE models all at least have big bucks to spend or good credit and are buying the top of the line bike. If I owed harley I would be sending out a personal message explaining the problems with the 110 engines and assuming I am correct and they won't be making them anymore for 2009, I would at least replace the defective parts with whatever it takes to match the new 2009 engine. There are 2 more problems that I know of, The excessive vibration on these bikes, that can start anytime. Mine was right from the factory and it vibrated a lot more than any other bike I ever owed. Local dealer said there was nothing wrong with it, and if there is don't worry about it, if something goes out it is under warranty and they will fix it. I went to another dealer, they test road the bike and said there was something very wrong with it but didnot know what was causing the problem. Finally they contacted Harley TECH service, and got authorization to run some tests on it, which showed nothing wrong, but of course the vibation was geting worse. I know see on this site were engines are being replaced because of this problem. Then you have the main electrical wiring harness that shorts out. Took 3 weeks of working on the bike to finally figure out what was causing the fuse to keep blowing and you could not start the bike. Finally got a new harness for it and it worked fine, so far. Of course the tech's don't want to work on warranty items because they don't make any money for the amount of time they spend working on them.  You would think that when Harley is charging $75 to $85.00 an hour that the Techs would be well paid, but most are making about $13.00 an hour if they are lucky.   Love the Harley image, and like most always wanted one, then really got hooked, but maybe the new slogan should be American Made with American defective parts HA HA HA

They took the same road with tc cam failure, but you right about somebody gettin hurt.  An earlier post had a dyna locking up a hurting someone, can't remember who, there is a thread somewhere on it...

[miker]

And the tc issue was not just se, it was al of them...SE had mm fuelie problems...My Pan sucked valves, my shov couldn't keep an oil pump and my flattie well, is a flattie...it runs good.

[grc]

............................................... maybe the new slogan should be American Made with American Chinese defective parts 

Actually, I think my little edit of your new slogan is closer to the truth. 

One of my pet peeves is how the corporations have fallen all over each other moving jobs to China.  No thought was ever given to the lack of a properly trained workforce, or the lack of quality standards in general; the only thought was about how they could buy parts for less than 20 cents on the dollar when compared to what they had been paying in the USA.  BTW - I'm still waiting to see the big price reductions that all these cheap parts are sure to create.

Jerry

[sadunbar]

Actually, I think my little edit of your new slogan is closer to the truth. 

One of my pet peeves is how the corporations have fallen all over each other moving jobs to China.  No thought was ever given to the lack of a properly trained workforce, or the lack of quality standards in general; the only thought was about how they could buy parts for less than 20 cents on the dollar when compared to what they had been paying in the USA.  BTW - I'm still waiting to see the big price reductions that all these cheap parts are sure to create.

Jerry

You left off other attributes of the Chinese such as:

Immoral leadership that will not hesitate to substitute ingredients in food or drugs to enhance profit; Immoral leadership that will not hesitate to steal and (poorly) copy patiented product ; immoral leadership that will treat their workforce like slave labor; Immoral leadership that gives no consideration to the environment....

For the record, this is not commentary of the Chinese people - just the country's Communist Leadership...