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[hogasm]

Pokerpig,

Amendment 1 - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression. Ratified 12/15/1791.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

now lets see some Pictures and ride reports of roads in your area that most of us don't hear or know about

[Talon]

Thick skin required!!! Wimps need not apply!!! Take nothing personal, and nothing is!!! Take the good with the bad an know that there's so much more good here than bad. But if you're using this place to escape reality and make believe everything's perfect in your lil world, wake up and smell the coffee!!! But you'll get more out of this place than you can ever dream of giving back!!! That's the fact Jack!!!

Hoist!

"Anyone without a sense of humor is at the mercy of everyone else."
 -  William Rotsler

[Keats]

Poker you had some very good points, unfortunately for you saying the  Emperor has no clothes did not work out that well.

I do not know Neil either but Do know he rides a lot.

that does not mean he or anyone here could not improve their skills. I am sure 100% of us could.  (sparks may look cool, but can lead to dangerous consequences)

I was amazed how many jumped down your throat for making good points. In defense of Neil (this is the butt munch part) (I am trying to stay away from another time out) He did post that he was not trying to portray this as a technically

perfect way to ride.

This is a good site and if read you will learn a lot from many. 

and hopefully I have not earned another time out?

[LarryB]

 
THE CURVE

http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=29247.0

[Talon]

Poker, I just think you came on a little strong in the first post. People on this site are always looking for other's opinions, and you have the right to post when ever you want. You just have to look at you post as others might see it and be prepared for rebuttal. Most of us have had post that rubbed others the wrong way. I ride the canyons a lot too, my bike sits a inch lower than your and with floor boards, if I ride hard I scrape on occasions, not all the time but it happens. I don't claim to be an expert either, but I feel I can get through the turns at a good rate of speed with confidence. But like you and many have said here, you should never push yourself past your confort level.

Anyway welcome to the site, like I said if your ever up north send me a PM and we can get together for a ride. Now that we have a few people in the Colorado area, we were thinking about having a small get together next summer so everyone can meet each eachother.

[ccr]

Anyone tried this? May sound dumb but when in a twistie, countersteering and sitting in the centre of your saddle, you and your bike are one... push down with your foot on the floor board that's on the inside of your turn. It add's to the countersteer. I don't know how but it works.

I have a very hard time reaching the ground when stopped, and so I used to wear these boots with the big heels and stacked soles.  But when taking and experienced riders course one day, one of the instructors took the time to single me out and talked to me about my choice of footwear.  The extra thick soles and big heels did help minusculely to reach the ground from time to time, but it made it so I was on my tip toes on the floor boards.  Then I lost this ability to push down easily as you describe and it did in fact limit my turning ability.  Not by leaps and bounds of course, but a little.  I went to flat soled boots, and it helped with my steering so much, that I learned even more about how to balance this bike with only one foot when stopped.  It make that much of a difference. 

And having two flat feet at a stop is overated.... at least to me.

[pokerpig]

Poker, I just think you came on a little strong in the first post. People on this site are always looking for other's opinions, and you have the right to post when ever you want. You just have to look at you post as others might see it and be prepared for rebuttal. Most of us have had post that rubbed others the wrong way. I ride the canyons a lot too, my bike sits a inch lower than your and with floor boards, if I ride hard I scrape on occasions, not all the time but it happens. I don't claim to be an expert either, but I feel I can get through the turns at a good rate of speed with confidence. But like you and many have said here, you should never push yourself past your confort level.

Anyway welcome to the site, like I said if your ever up north send me a PM and we can get together for a ride. Now that we have a few people in the Colorado area, we were thinking about having a small get together next summer so everyone can meet each eachother.

Coming on strong is normal for me. So my skin is plenty thick. Thanks everyone for the encouragement.

Seem like the folks in the east get together for rises so maybe a few of us westerners should too. Count me in.

[pokerpig]

Only one little problem with this, some of the turns down there are so close, coming out of a turn on the outside means you are on the inside starting the next, there is no room to re-position between turns, picking the center of the lane is the best option some times.  Hell I know a few roads around the dragon where even having time to consider lane position puts you off a cliff......or into one....

Gotta agree with him on a few points though, the best option is to twist and lean if you get in trouble, most folks brake and panic.  It took a long time to work out in my brain but once I got it thru there it's natural to do now, though I've found it easier to stay out of trouble.  Also I don't drag near as much as I use to because I lean into the turn more, I don't always do it but it does work and when I do there is a noticable increase in speed.  Running the Cherahola this year a friend behind me could tell when I was about to leave him cause he'd start seeing me leaning more than my wife was (who knows to stay with the lean of the bike) and in a couple turns he couldn't see me anymore.  I also don't ride twisties with my feet on the highway pegs, just a personal preference for me, feel like I have more control with them on the boards and should the need to shed a little speed come into play the rear brake is your friend when used correctly.  I rarely use the front brake in the twisties, engine braking and rear brake are about it.

I Agree. Also, lots of times when I cant see around a corner (like a canyon with steep rock walls) I will stay on the outside all the way.

I have read that racers use the rear brake the feather their speed and control their line in corners. I get the idea there is a right way and wrong way to do it. Anyone know?

[Talon]

I Agree. Also, lots of times when I cant see around a corner (like a canyon with steep rock walls) I will stay on the outside all the way.

I have read that racers use the rear brake the feather their speed and control their line in corners. I get the idea there is a right way and wrong way to do it. Anyone know?

Yea, but their sliding the back end out around the turns, don't think you want to do that with a +700 lb bike! 

[FR8TRN]

I have read that racers use the rear brake the feather their speed and control their line in corners. I get the idea there is a right way and wrong way to do it. Anyone know?

Gently would be the right way, not gently would be the wrong.    Like Talon said they are usually sliding it around, but only cause breathin on the pedal causes them to slide, we have a bit more weight and a gentle touch will correct easily.  Gently applying the rear brake will also help tuck the bike down in the corner along with the countersteering your trying to do.  Like the front brake will make it stand up, the rear brake will bring it down, too much and it'll come down all the way......I can't stress enough though, a gentle touch is the key.

[SPIDERMAN]

Seem like a good time to note that if you need to put your ride down to avoid a crash, leaning back and stomping on the rear brake does it quite nicely. Puts you into a slide and you just let go and physics takes over from there.

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[Talon]

Taking the curve! 

[FR8TRN]

put your ride down to avoid a crash

Talk about an Oxymoron.....love it when people say they "had to lay it down" what they are really saying is "I crashed and don't want to admit it" so they try to make it sound like they were in control the whole time, in reality they were completely out of control, regardless of the situation, rubber and pavement will always slow you down faster than metal and pavement.

[Rooster]

I have a very hard time reaching the ground when stopped, and so I used to wear these boots with the big heels and stacked soles.  But when taking and experienced riders course one day, one of the instructors took the time to single me out and talked to me about my choice of footwear.  The extra thick soles and big heels did help minusculely to reach the ground from time to time, but it made it so I was on my tip toes on the floor boards.  Then I lost this ability to push down easily as you describe and it did in fact limit my turning ability.  Not by leaps and bounds of course, but a little.  I went to flat soled boots, and it helped with my steering so much, that I learned even more about how to balance this bike with only one foot when stopped.  It make that much of a difference. 

And having two flat feet at a stop is overated.... at least to me.

I don't know Mrs We, I am still wearing my jeans a little long hoping to my legs might stretch a little.

[SPIDERMAN]

Talk about an Oxymoron.....love it when people say they "had to lay it down" what they are really saying is "I crashed and don't want to admit it" so they try to make it sound like they were in control the whole time, in reality they were completely out of control, regardless of the situation, rubber and pavement will always slow you down faster than metal and pavement.

So according to you, if I'm about to go into a barrel roll I should just hang on and go with it. OR, If I'm about to T-Bone a cage, I should just go with it. I don't think so. Homey don't play dat tune brudah.

 I think you missed that section of the motorcycle rider safety program FR8TRN. I'll take going down in a slide over both of the above any day of the week and they teach that in the rider safety courses.

  A crash is a crash , controlling the outcome is the difference. I freely admit to wrecking several motorcycles. I got hurt pretty good before I learned how to put the bike down. I think you're a good dude FR8, you did me a favor in the past sight unseen and that impressed the hell out of me. Please learn how to do this so we don't read about you in the rider down section. That would be a senseless tradgedy. I'm serious

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