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[RedFXR2]

Don't let Tim inTIMidate ya with those novel length posts there Mikey!

New name for Tim.  The inTIMidator.

[RedFXR2]

And believe me, I've been pondering this build for a long time.
I started acquiring parts more than 7 months ago.....

Mikey:  I did much the same thing.  Read the books, magazine articles, talkied to HD buffs and techs, settled on a menu, and acquired parts over several months from multiple sources.

You've got a very good list of stuff to be installed.  No point in obsessing now over slight differences in specs and questioning your choices.  I'm completely confident you'll be as pleased as I was.  I still remember....The first few times I rode mine with the new build, break-in rules applicable so I was gentle, I could already tell that it wanted to take off.  Far better throttle response.  It was like a whole new bike.  A bit louder, too, for better or worse.  Trust me, you're going to love it.

[fxr4mikey]

 
I was wondering if here in the FXR forum I've ever stated what my riding style is and what I'm trying to accomplish with my build......

So let me just say this, about that (sorta like the politicians   LOL)

1) I'm not attempting to build an engine for dyno sheet numbers.  You can see from my posts that I'm planning to run stock pistons (if I don't have to bore the cylinders).  So, again, I'm not out to build some TQ/HP monster here.

2) I want to INSURE, above performance improvements, that I maintain the reliability of my engine.  I like to take off on a trip and might be gone for a few days, or 5K miles.  I DO NOT want any issues in the back of my mind that I might cause a breakdown (I know they can happen, but I don't want it to be because I pushed the envelope of my engine/drivetrain). I will not put in any parts that are 'hard to find' or unique in the bike.  Everything that I'm putting in can be acquired, or replaced, anywhere in the U.S., easily..... and mostly can get it over the counter if I do break down.

3) Simple terms of what I want ..... just a lil kick in the butt with my ride.

4) What is my riding style
    a)  I like the twisties and long high speed sweeping curves
    b)  I love to throw the bike over to one side and twist it open, and then have to let up, and throw it over to the other side and twist it open again zipping in and out of the turns
    c)  I OFTEN turn the bike out in the opposite direction of the turn so that I can put her down hard and twist it open and blast thru the turn
    d)  I'm guessing at these following numbers, and have thought about them A LOT over the past year while I was deciding what I wanted from my build.
        1) 60% of my riding is on open hiway, 10% is expressway, 20% is back County and State Highways, 10% twisties as up in NC mountains, or TN Smokies, and finding twisties
    e) It IS NOT unusual for me to run the RPM range right up to the rev limit, which is currently set at 6K
    f) I don't mind down shifting to get acceleration, but I like roll on power too
    g) I use 5th gear, a lot, but I've also found myself many times running 80- 90 through 3rd and 4th gear.  This summer I was over at the Atlanta Motor Speedway.  Coming out of turn 2 at about 90 I shifted down into 4th gear and ran it WOT down the back stretch as far as I had the balls to go right into turn 3.  My GPS clocked my max speed at 103 - not fast relatively speaking, but I was also looking at going directly into turn 3 on a 20+ degree track .......... now that right there will make your adrenaline rush, BELIEVE ME !!
    h) what I'm saying here is, while I don't run it to the limit on every shift, but I find that when I go out, I usually hit the limit a few times a day. Some days more than others, depends on how everything is happening that day.
    I) I want the power to come on somewhere around 2000 and I want it to continue to build power into the higher end of the RPM range. I don't want it to stop making power at 4.5K rpm, like the stock cam does.  You know running the stock cam past 4.5K RPM only MAKES NOISE, NO POWER, you might as well shift and get to the next gear at that range when running the stock cam.  The W6 cam is supposed to make power from just off idle, (I'll read that to be between 1500 - 2000) right up to 5.5K RPMs.

So, if I have the right CR for this cam to come on, and to stay on to it's max, then when I jump on it, I won't have to shift (to get more power) until I run her out to 5.5K RPM



I don't know, I've read a lot of stuff in the last year   
I just want a nice lil bump in the butt, and I want it to 'be on the cam' at about 2K, and to keep making power into the high end RPM range

I suppose some might consider calling that 'mid range' performance, I don't know.

I don't care really what the dyno sheet might ever say, I'm not interested in 'numbers' ....... I'm interested in how it feels in the azz of my levis

[RedFXR2]

...what I'm trying to accomplish with my build......

1) I'm not attempting to build an engine for dyno sheet numbers. 

2) I want to INSURE, above performance improvements, that I maintain the reliability of my engine. 

3) Simple terms of what I want ..... just a lil kick in the butt with my ride.

I just [want] a bump in the butt, and I want it to be on the cam at about 2K, and to keep making power into the high end RPM range

I suppose some might consider just call that 'mid range' performance, I don't know.

I don't care really what the dyno sheet might ever say, I'm not interested in 'numbers' ....... I'm interested in how it feels in the azz of my levis

You just stated all of my same aspirations/goals for my build.

[fxr4mikey]

 
If you want to run some 'comparison' numbers, this site has some good calculators, free to use.  http://www.bigboyzheadporting.com/EVOComp.htm

You can run stock configurations and see what the static CR is, and the corrected CR is
you can see what happens as you select different cams, pistons, cylinder bores, head gaskets, even elevation above sea level.

[fxr4mikey]

With our gearing on the CVO FXR's we are featuring 2.925 final gearing and thus:

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I am just throwing some things out here.....@ the end of the day better to do so before one begins than after one has finished and doesn't have what they want....and I am BY NO MEANS in a position to make any evaluation as to whether your build Mikey is one you will like or not.....merely throwing out the questions......

Regards,

Tim

I know, and I do appreciate all of the interaction too, from you, and everyone else too.
It's the way we all become 'more informed'  !!   

[fxr4mikey]

Pop quiz tomorrow?

Just kiddiing.  Thanks for the tutorial.

Wow, I only touched on this level of detail when I picked my cam a couple of years ago.  I knew I was going with the SE heads and my method of cam choice was to read a lot of articles and books, and talk to other Evo owners about their cam choices and why.  There are seemingly a jillion Evo cams out there--I ended up with the EV27 and have always liked it.  I completely agree that the RPM range of most effectivity should be a deciding factor.  Like Tim, I didn't have any use for a cam that peaks at 6000 RPM.  I'd much rather feel it at 1500-4500 or so.

that's one of the reasons that I decided not to put the EV27 in my bike.  I felt that it comes off to early in the RPM range for my riding preferences.
it has a slightly lower tq curve than the W6



So Mikey, when do the wrenches start turning on this thing?  Let me know when to be at your house.  I'll provide the first case of beer.

Tell ya whut, you come up here, help me with this build, and I'll buy ALL THE BEER you can drink   :DD

I hope to start turning wrenches within the next week, or two.

I'm outa town this weekend, I'm waiting on gaskets to come in the mail, I have to pick up some misc 'stuff', and I have to get a few other parts that I don't have yet, like the cyl base gaskets, torrington bearing and a couple of other items.

I know I don't have to have everything IN HAND to start taking it apart.  It's not like I'll be ready to put it together the next day  LOL

So, you gonna come up here ?

[Hoist!]

If you want to run some 'comparison' numbers, this site has some good calculators, free to use.  http://www.bigboyzheadporting.com/EVOComp.htm

You can run stock configurations and see what the static CR is, and the corrected CR is
you can see what happens as you select different cams, pistons, cylinder bores, head gaskets, even elevation above sea level.

HeHe!!! They do my tuning on my SERK! Bean and Springer are GREAT guys  too!

Hoist!

[fxr4mikey]

HeHe!!! They do my tuning on my SERK! Bean and Springer are GREAT guys  too!

Hoist!

YES THEY ARE !!!!!!!!!!!


You like that FXRT that Springer did ?    :DD   how could you not !!!!!!!!

[fxr4mikey]

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Good luck Mikey!

THANKS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[fxr4mikey]

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Mikey know yourself and what you want to do.....and why you want to do it....

I think I got both of those things in my brain, and I'm confident that the components that I've chosen will fit the bill very nicely !

Remember a great engine build is one that is reliable.......both in performance and usability.

EGGZACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Regards,

Tim

[fxr4mikey]

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Mikey, been following your build with great interest. One day I may do something with the 84'.

JW

JW - Thanks for your input in this thread.  I hope that you'll find something useful that you can use when it comes time to do your 84' !
You will HAVE TO keep us posted when that time comes, of course   

[fxr4mikey]

and Mikey.....

I am NOT trying to "tear" your build apart....

Tim, not to worry, I realize that !

but merely asking questions....because is there anything far worse than afterwards wishing one would have done something else......
sadly, no

and the honest truth....you will tell us if it's successful....
yes I will

but I will be asking you why it is successful then too....lol
I anticipate that, and I'll tell you, yes or no, and why and how

....because riding style determines success.....and I think we gloss over that too often....
I understand it

Like I said on my 2002 RKC I have finally reached some understanding of why I am doing what I am doing.....so....

Let the build begin....
YES YES YES !!!!!!!!!!!!

Regards,

Tim

[Hoist!]

YES THEY ARE !!!!!!!!!!!


You like that FXRT that Springer did ?    :DD   how could you not !!!!!!!!

HeHe!!! Ya mean FXRT Springer Shovel! Yep, and he rides it like a maniac too! That's why we had so much fun riding together!!!

Hoist!

[fxr4mikey]

Just to temper this statement, I would point out that ultimately, unless Mikey or anybody wants to make a long term expensive hobby of trying many different Evo engine builds with many different components in a quest for the ultimate FXR4Mikey machine,
I don't have that much time and I certainly don't have that kind of money that I'm willing to use for such an experiment

at some point he's going to have to settle on what he thinks is the best setup--and in all likelihood, he won't get to test-ride it first.
EGGZACTLY RIGHT, and I've already settled on what I think that setup is, FOR ME

One of the things I pondered as I thought about heads (SE or S&S were my choices), and cams (a bunch of good candidates...too many) was that it was too bad that I couldn't somehow test-ride the motor built with all possible combinations for about a month each.  Well, I suppose it's possible but a bit ridiculous in terms of time and cost.  So at some point i had to settle on a combination, put it all together and see if turned out like I hoped/believed.  In my case and my motor, I was very happy and still am.
Glad to hear that, and I'm confident that I'll be able to say the same when I get her broke in

IMO, from what I've read, Mikey has acquired a good set of components and will get a motor that will transform his bike into a whole new riding experience. 
GIDDY UP !!!!!!!!


Barring some part failure disaster,
could always happen, to me, or anyone

I predict he'll be happy with the results for a long time and like me,
I like your prediction !!!!!


won't lose any sleep over "what if....." scenarios involving what he didn't install or could have installed.
That's right, I'm not going to be doing that .... and then doing 8 more builds in search for the holly sweet spot of torque   LOL

Bottom line--do your homework,
I have, and I believe that I've been pretty through with it

consider the intended purpose of the resultant motor,
I have

and then go ahead and build it. 
within the next two weeks !!!!!!!!!!  WOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOO


Unless you've gotten way off track somewhere, or lost focus somehow, chances are good you'll be fine. 
I agree, Thanks for your input !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!