Howie,
Based on the following quotes by you:
You say leave the power on the table go mild instead of wild now and I look back and see just the opposite. Why pigeon hole yourself since you wanted the power and to make it reliable and spent what you had to in money to get you what you were after. If you cant then my question is based on your previous statements why not quit dinking around witht he 110 motor and go to a 120 like Ken. Yes you have tons invested, but why not put that 110 motor back together in the milder form put it in a box for what if and just suck it up and get a 120 or other motor and have the same numbers and it be stock and run for a long time or go wild and if it chits the bed just be prepared to put in another motor. From the start you had said you knew it really needed anotehr motor. Yes chit can happen, but a build a year and the frustration is not worth the loss of your riding season or sanity imo.
Just curious on the thought process your going through and knowing how I like power wondering now that you have had it how you are going to be happy, because I know I wouldnt be.
Interesting quotes you copied Harry. They're what lead me to the decision I just made to put the 585's in, and keep CR at 9.8:1. Of course when you look back you see somewhat the opposite was desired. But Vern assured me that my bottom end and mid range would be no worse with the 585. He believes the bike will be a lil "snappier". He said I'll notice it way on top, but that if I want a reliable trip bike, stay clear of that high lift or long duration racing chit. He's built many motors with the 585. It hot rods a lil motor, and at a lil lower CR with a big motor, wakes it up real nice. Will it perform on top like the 625? No. But will it still do a buck thirty-forty? Yes. Will it be the fastest 110 on the block? Prolly not. Can many take me cause I detuned it. Also, prolly not. You build a more powerful motor and know how to use it, yeah, you'll kick my ass. I've also kicked ass against people with more powerful bikes. It all depends how ya ride!
And there's no pigeon holing here. If I'm ultimately not happy, I can always change the cams again, redo the valve springs for the higher lift, and change pistons for higher CR. Those options are always still available to me. Why not try something different and see if I can find that compromise between performance and reliability, even if I give up a lil up on top. This is my trip bike. I've maintained all along (if you search for the quotes to support that side, you'll find them too) that I wasn't trying to build the highest output 110 I could. Just something with good power that's reliable for trips. But that I can still have some hot rodding fun on too. And again, I'm not giving back that much with the 585. It's not like you're talking another EPA cam here. And at least mine NEVER leaked again!
Now that Jim's isn't a bad idea mind you. But with all that's invested so far as you point out. It makes no sense at this point. Most of the work is being taken care of by Feuling due to the lifter failure. They're a standup outfit, standing behind their product. They've been working with Vern on all the case measurements, including lifter bore diameter, to make sure everything's good to go and the correctly clearanced components are used. They've seen inconsistency in lifter bore diameters. They claim on one motor, they had to use three different diameter lifters so they are properly clearanced between .0012" and .0015". They're supplying the replacement parts, including the cams, and are reimbursing NSMC for labor. It's a no-brainer to rebuild it under those circumstances. I'm pleased with what Feuling offered to help make me whole again.
If I were to go the engine replacement route, it'd prolly be the 131, not the 120. And down the road, ya never know. Maybe an S&S will become available if they can get past HD's patents. Or some other brand. I can get that Jim's at any time. Why do it now when my work's being covered by Feuling. So I hope you understand my thought process. Like everything else though, it's always subject to change. The only pigeon holing seems to be people who hold you to something you said earlier, as if we're not entitled to change our minds or thought processes. And hopefully we get wiser with a age and experience!
Hoist!
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