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[Hoist!]

Well...Where do I start?

Went and bought some tubing like ya said Mikey and followed all steps...NO FUEL came out of the tube and I was a sucking big time..No smart a$$ remarks either 

Then pulled the petcock back off today. Disassembled it again and started looking at how I put it back together. After looking at it and thinking of the vacuum process and how it works that you and Mikey explained; I realized I may have assembled the spring in the petcock in the wrong place. If you tear the petcock down you remove the 4 screws on the vacuum nippile side of the petcock and the petcock divides into three separate pieces. The back side (with the vacuum nipple), the middle section that holds the rubber flange, and the front section between the flange and the lever which allows the fuel to flow out the nipple to the carb.

Now...when looking at it after I disassembled it the very first time; I had put the spring back in between the middle section which holds the rubber flange in place and the rear section that holds the vacuum nipple. As I looked at it I began to think if the power was turned on and the vacuum began to suck onto the flange that it couldn't because the spring wasn't allowing it to open up and drop fuel to the front to go to the fuel line and eventually to the carb.

I then reasoned if the spring was placed in the front section of the petcock, then when vacuum is applied; it would suck on the flange, drop the fuel into the front section and allow the fuel to the fuel line and into the carb. So, to help me with this theory I went to the service dept at the HD shop and showed them the petcock disassembled and asked them if my theory was correct. He told me it sounded right but could not confirm this theory  another tech overheard us and asked what king of bike I had and he said....Yep...You guessed...."They stopped making Fxr's in 1994". I just turned away and put my s^&t back in my bag and waled out....Oh...did get my SE Ignition Module while I was there.

Now I'm back home and I put the petcock back in and hook everything up. Double checked the carb seal to the rubber seal ring on the carb that connects to the manifold and the best I can tell all was sealed good. Double checked my wiring connections and all seems good. Put the gas tank back on with about a gallon of fresh 93 octane fuel and turn it over, and over, and over, and over....No start...same as before...Turns over great but no spitting, coughing, choking, sounding like it wants to kick in or anything.

So, now I'm gonna go back out when I get my bearings and quit cussing and do the Mikey vacuum test again because I didn't do it when I changed the spring around in the petcock and see if I can suck some more and get fuel to come out...If no fuel comes out then I'd say based on what I've been told that the petcock is not working properly and I will probably go buy another one or a rebuild kit; then go from there...GEEEEEZZZZ....Wish me luck guys 

Sorry to hear that it's still not happening for ya Blaine. Do yourself a favor an go buy a cheapie manual petcock so you know you'll have fuel delivered without worrying if that IS indeed the problem. It's CHEAP! From there, you'll eliminate fuel delivery as the issue completely. Then your bike will either start, or you can continue to troubleshoot it. But at least you've already elinminated fuel delivery from the equation!

Hoist!

[elvislee]

Sorry to hear that it's still not happening for ya Blaine. Do yourself a favor an go buy a cheapie manual petcock so you know you'll have fuel delivered without worrying if that IS indeed the problem. It's CHEAP! From there, you'll eliminate fuel delivery as the issue completely. Then your bike will either start, or you can continue to troubleshoot it. But at least you've already elinminated fuel delivery from the equation!

Hoist!

Good advice...I'm gonna do the Howie/Mikey vacuum test with the tubes and do some more sucking to see if I can get fuel; if not, another petcock is gonna be next...Thanks man 

[Hoist!]

Good advice...I'm gonna do the Howie/Mikey vacuum test with the tubes and do some more sucking to see if I can get fuel; if not, another petcock is gonna be next...Thanks man 

Only thing left to offer Blaine is.....

"Gunnery Sergeant Hartman: Tonight, you pukes will sleep with your rifles. You will give your rifle a girl's name because this is the only pussy you people are going to get. Your days of finger-banging ol' Mary J. Rottencrotch through her pertty pink panties are over! You're married to this piece. This weapon of iron and wood. And you will be faithful. Port, hut!
[Recruits grabs their rifles]
Gunnery Sergeant Hartman: Prepare to mount!
[Recruits step back towards their bunks]
Gunnery Sergeant Hartman: Mount!
[Recruits quickly hop onto their bunks]
Gunnery Sergeant Hartman: Port, hut!
[Recruits grabs their rifles and holds them up]
Gunnery Sergeant Hartman: Pray!
Recruits: [chanting] This is my rifle. There are many like it but this one is mine. My rifle is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life. Without me, my rifle is useless. Without my rifle I am useless. I must fire my rifle true. I must shoot straighter than my enemy, who is trying to kill me. I must shoot him before he shoots me. I will. Before God I swear this creed: my rifle and myself are defenders of my country, we are the masters of our enemy, we are the saviors of my life. So be it, until there is no enemy, but peace. Amen."

HeHe!!! Now go "master" your bike Blaine!!!

Hoist!

[elvislee]

Only thing left to offer Blaine is.....

"Gunnery Sergeant Hartman: Tonight, you pukes will sleep with your rifles. You will give your rifle a girl's name because this is the only pussy you people are going to get. Your days of finger-banging ol' Mary J. Rottencrotch through her pertty pink panties are over! You're married to this piece. This weapon of iron and wood. And you will be faithful. Port, hut!
[Recruits grabs their rifles]
Gunnery Sergeant Hartman: Prepare to mount!
[Recruits step back towards their bunks]
Gunnery Sergeant Hartman: Mount!
[Recruits quickly hop onto their bunks]
Gunnery Sergeant Hartman: Port, hut!
[Recruits grabs their rifles and holds them up]
Gunnery Sergeant Hartman: Pray!
Recruits: [chanting] This is my rifle. There are many like it but this one is mine. My rifle is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life. Without me, my rifle is useless. Without my rifle I am useless. I must fire my rifle true. I must shoot straighter than my enemy, who is trying to kill me. I must shoot him before he shoots me. I will. Before God I swear this creed: my rifle and myself are defenders of my country, we are the masters of our enemy, we are the saviors of my life. So be it, until there is no enemy, but peace. Amen."

HeHe!!! Now go "master" your bike Blaine!!!

Hoist!

    Yea...Been there, done that; we had 3 Gy Hartmans' when I was at PI and hated all three of the SOB's   

[Hoist!]

   Yea...Been there, done that; we had 3 Gy Hartmans' when I was at PI and hated all three of the SOB's   

HeHe!!! But you mastered your rifle, didn't ya?! So go do the same with your FXR now!!!
















Don't worry, we'll always be here for ya if you fall!

Hoist!

[110tHunDer]

. . . another tech overheard us and asked what king of bike I had and he said....Yep...You guessed...."They stopped making Fxr's in 1994". . .

Blaine, I think I see the problem!  You're trying to make a bike they never even made run!
 
Good luck, man!  It's gotta be frustrating knowing the thing ran fine before ya started messin' with it, but you'll get it figured out, I know!

[elvislee]

HeHe!!! But you mastered your rifle, didn't ya?! So go do the same with your FXR now!!!

If I keep this chit up I might even be able to ride next to you one day..huh 
















Don't worry, we'll always be here for ya if you fall!

Hoist!

[elvislee]

Blaine, I think I see the problem!  You're trying to make a bike they never even made run!
 
Good luck, man!  It's gotta be frustrating knowing the thing ran fine before ya started messin' with it, but you'll get it figured out, I know!

Xactly what I was thinkin and all this to replace a friggin fuel line 

Yep...That's gotta be it; my bike don't exist...It's all a dream 

[Hoist!]

If I keep this chit up I might even be able to ride next to you one day..huh  

HeHe!!! Don't worry Blaine, I'd be proud to ride with ya anytime, just the way you are man!!!

Hoist!

[elvislee]

HeHe!!! Don't worry Blaine, I'd be proud to ride with ya anytime, just the way you are man!!!

Hoist!

Right back at ya

Now...Back to business. I just went and did the Hoist/Mikey vacuum suck test...Yea...It does suck  Anyway, turned the petcock selector to on for fuel flow. Sucked on the vac line tube and NOTHING! Then turned the selector to RESERVE and sucked again...PRESTO...Fuel running into the container out the fuel tube hose.

So...I put the fuel line back on and the vac line and start the bike right up running on RESERVE. It runs for about a minute so I put it to the "ON" position and it continues to run. So now I put it on the "OFF" position and it still continues to run. I put it back to the "ON" position and it runs for a few more seconds and goes dead like the fuel just stopped flowing....PULLING WHAT HAIR I GOT LEFT OUT OF MY HEAD 

[zn14]

put it on reserve and leave it there and see if it runs.......when you'd switch it to off there is still gas in the bowl and it will run till that is gone.......

[elvislee]

put it on reserve and leave it there and see if it runs.......when you'd switch it to off there is still gas in the bowl and it will run till that is gone.......

Hey "Z Man", great to hear from you; alway's think highly of your input 

Now...Where is the "Reserve" fuel physically located" IN the gas tank, the carb, the petcock, or somewhere else? I'm tryin to figure how I can get fuel to flow from reserve to the petcock, to the fuel line, to the carb and yet not get fuel flow from the tank to the carb when the petcock selector is "on"  Thanks man 

Hey...I'm gonna do a second on Mikey's request...Oh TimIdator...Where are ya man? Your missing all the fun...Sneak in and let us know your still kickin at least 

[Hoist!]

Hey "Z Man", great to hear from you; alway's think highly of your input 

Now...Where is the "Reserve" fuel physically located" IN the gas tank, the carb, the petcock, or somewhere else? I'm tryin to figure how I can get fuel to flow from reserve to the petcock, to the fuel line, to the carb and yet not get fuel flow from the tank to the carb when the petcock selector is "on"  Thanks man 

Hey...I'm gonna do a second on Mikey's request...Oh TimIdator...Where are ya man? Your missing all the fun...Sneak in and let us know your still kickin at least 

Everything's cool now. I just talked to Blaine and he's clear now on the whole fuel/petcock thing. I think his bike is fine. He knows where reserve is and how it's accomplished thru the petcock. He needs an $18 petcock is all!!! It was a lil easier talking to him thru the rest of this than posting. Glad it was that simple!

What a nice guy too! Looking forward to meeting ya in ES Blaine!

Hoist!

[fxr4mikey]

Elvis ....

here's an easy way to determine if your petcock is working properly

get two pieces of tubing  one for the fuel and one for the vacuum


I gave you some bad info .......
the fuel line is 3/16" Inside Diameter (ID) <-------------- that's WRONG, the fuel line is 1/4"ID
the vacuum line in 1/8" ID <-------- that's wrong, the vacuum line is 3/16" ID

So sorry about that, I had some 'other' tubes laying there and measured the wrong ones   DOH

1) turn the petcock ON, fuel WILL NOT FLOW WITHOUT A VACUUM on the stock petcock
2) disconnect the fuel line from the petcock
3) disconnect the vacuum tube from the petcock
4) connect up your tube to the fuel line on the petcock (the tube should be long enough to reach to the floor) put the other end into a gas can or collection item of your choice, it needs to hold GASOLINE
5) connect up your vacuum tube to the petcock vacuum
6) suck on the vacuum line - if your petcock if functioning correctly, this will OPEN the diaphragm and fuel will begin to flow thru the fuel tube to the gas can
  6a) fuel will continue to flow as long as there is a vacuum on the petcock, you can maintain that by placing your finger over the end of the vacuum tube once the fuel begins to flow. 
  6b) this is the method that I use to drain the tank when I'm going to remove it from the bike.
  6c) if you use this method, and are planning to DRAIN the tank
    6c1) make sure the petcock is set on RESERVE, otherwise that gas remains in the tank
    6c2) if you can, set the bike up straight, or on a jack, otherwise there will be fuel left in the tank because of the lean angle, the gas runs to the side, and not all is directly over the petcock
7) if you are getting fuel with this method, then there is nothing wrong with your petcock
if not, you need to find out what you did wrong with the re-assembly of the petcock


Good Luck !!

Let us know what you find !



Mikey

[fxr4mikey]

Good advice...I'm gonna do the Howie/Mikey vacuum test with the tubes and do some more sucking to see if I can get fuel; if not, another petcock is gonna be next...Thanks man 

it doesn't take much vacuum to open that petcock, if you listen real close you can even hear it open. The amount of sucking would be like sipping coke thru a straw, that's all you need, any more than that, gets you NOTHING.

So, it was working until you decided to 'clean it', RIGHT ?
So it's a bit of a stretch in my mind to think that it went bad just because you took it apart.  However stranger things have happened.

Like Howie says, you can get a cheap one to replace it ...... I've ALWAYS wanted to put a Pingel on mine, but I'm too cheap to spend the money for it   


Good Luck ...

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