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« on: March 14, 2009, 04:59:16 AM »

Upon search I find that the last time this was discussed was 07, odd. anyway. I know the stock plugs on the 110's are not what they should be and everyone has an opinion. And that opinion is?
I've heard the SE ones are for chit, and the split tips are not ,much better.
Just picked up some NKG's which I know are a better plug.
What's should the Gap be?
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Re: spark plugs
« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2009, 06:39:08 AM »

I use the NGK and gap them at .040"  Doc
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Re: spark plugs
« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2009, 06:53:58 AM »

thanks Doc. plugs are the cheapest mods with best return.
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Re: spark plugs
« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2009, 08:04:25 AM »

Unless your original plugs are carboned up or worn I would not expect any difference in performance. I have used the NGKs and stock and consider the plug change "maintenance only"
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Re: spark plugs
« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2009, 02:04:18 PM »

Upon search I find that the last time this was discussed was 07, odd. anyway. I know the stock plugs on the 110's are not what they should be and everyone has an opinion. And that opinion is?
I've heard the SE ones are for chit, and the split tips are not ,much better.
Just picked up some NKG's which I know are a better plug.
What's should the Gap be?

Which NGK's did you pick up?  I've used the DCPR8EIX for a year now and find them to be very good.  Since their iridium fine wire center, you can't gap them.  You chance breaking the center electrode.  I get them at Napa.
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Re: spark plugs
« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2009, 02:20:47 PM »

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Re: spark plugs
« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2009, 04:52:22 PM »

A word of caution on the irridiums
Not needed and may have improper resistance compared with the stock plug and send the ion sensing circuit into spark retard or set false codes. Go ahead on the irridiums if you have to but IMO they are better suited to the BMW or Mercedes.
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Re: spark plugs
« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2009, 10:05:30 PM »

When cylinder pressure comes up via cams and/or headwork, we have witnessed dedicted dyno results with the gap set at .035". NGK's naturally.
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Re: spark plugs
« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2009, 10:39:57 PM »

E3 Diamond fire plugs are the best I have found so far. I have gotten 3to5 mpg
better mileage and they claim an h.p. increase. All I know is my bike seems to
run good and gets better mileage.

We put these plugs in MJZ's bike at M.V. and he got 140 to 150 miles per tank
instead of 120 going to M.V. pulling his trailer both ways.

The size for my 103 is 3.36. A cheap mod with good results. IMO.


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Re: spark plugs
« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2009, 06:02:20 AM »

When cylinder pressure comes up via cams and/or headwork, we have witnessed dedicted dyno results with the gap set at .035". NGK's naturally.

I agree totally with your gap, but Larry was asking about the 09 SERG.  Doc
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Re: spark plugs
« Reply #10 on: March 15, 2009, 08:39:55 AM »

Installed the NGK's yesterday, gapped at .040 . going to TTS tune it today. put Amsoil in the motor and primary, Belray gear saver in the tranny. lookin forward to riding it.
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Re: spark plugs
« Reply #11 on: March 15, 2009, 08:41:06 AM »

Don't you think if there were plugs that offered 3-5 mpg better and more horsepower they would be in every car made?  Manufacturers go to 0-30 oil to gain a fraction of a mpg.  Spark plugs are little more than a nail and an insulator.  Way too much emphasis is placed on them for anything close to stock engines.  Put all the star or inverted double-helix tipped ones in you like; it helps the economy.
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Re: spark plugs
« Reply #12 on: March 15, 2009, 09:42:08 AM »

When cylinder pressure comes up via cams and/or headwork, we have witnessed dedicted dyno results with the gap set at .035". NGK's naturally.


Alright you made me go look up that one ..................

Not being a smart ass, but is the word spelled wrong? Not sure what the meaning is here.

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« Reply #13 on: March 15, 2009, 09:45:30 AM »

Alright you made me go look up that one ..................

Not being a smart ass, but is the word spelled wrong? Not sure what the meaning is here.


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Re: spark plugs
« Reply #14 on: March 15, 2009, 10:12:26 AM »

Our good friend Hogasm here will tell you that Harley sells good parts for the most part, I tend to agree, for the most part.

The SE plugs have done well for me. Do I need them over stock? Probably not, Do they last longer? I don't know. But why not put SE plugs in my SE :nixweiss:

My bike has 35k on it now and currently has it's 3rd set of plugs. And I did not change them because of a problem. I just decided the first time to put the SE plugs in and the second time was only because it was discount night at the local dealer. And I have a new set of SE's on the bench to put in with my current projects because -- it was discount night.

The plug change interval on my last truck was 100,000 miles! I traded it in with 85k and the original plugs - no problems.

Would I put new plugs in if I was going to the dyno? No - I would put new plugs in when I got to the dyno shop though.

Running the bike on a dyno will show the difference between plugs.
But what are you doing on a dyno? You are loading up the bike to its max trying to wring every little bit of horsepower and torque out of it. You want the best plugs in it then.

Be honest with yourself. How many times do you actually run through all of the gears, shifting hard at 6000 rpm? Not just 1st, 2nd and 3rd, but where you really start to put a load on the engine - 4th maybe even 5th? If your running that hard every day then maybe you need the best plugs money can buy.
And if you are doing it on the street every day then you would be better off investing in insurance and attorney retainers then spark plugs.

Buy name brand plugs from a reputable place, no flea market counterfeit stuff please, and you should be good to go.

3-4 MPG increase with a particular brand - type of plug? Sounds like something else was the culprit that changing to any quality plug would have shown the increase.

Next your going to try and convince yourself that indexing your plugs on your 800+ pound dresser makes it run better on the way to work  :2vrolijk_21:

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