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[Fired00d]

God no!  Right now I think I'm at about 2.3 bikes actually here. 

There was a time (of greater sanity) when I wouldn't justify more than one functional bike in the garage.  Just didn't make sense.  Couldn't ride more than one at a time.  Lived with that guideline for a long time.  Then a couple years ago stumbled in to the red SE Road Glide I'd always wanted at a price that was too good to pass up and only an hour from home.

That bike broke my spirit.  Killed my will power.  Damaged my common sense.  It's all the Road Glide's fault.  So when this wrecked project made itself available I was already done in.  It's not my fault though.  And there won't be any more.  Really.  They won't fit in the garage....

Hmmmmm.... there goes those nocturnal voices in your head again.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[Twolanerider]

Hmmmmm.... there goes those nocturnal voices in your head again.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

Wait a minute....  if it's a nocturnal voice talking about a bike rolling out of the garage does that make it a nocturnal e..... um... never mind .

[HD Street Performance]

The part is in the 01 parts manual I would think. The 01 MM bike had only one line and it was a quick disconnect (delphi style) not a screw in type like the early MM. No return line

[Twolanerider]

The part is in the 01 parts manual I would think. The 01 MM bike had only one line and it was a quick disconnect (delphi style) not a screw in type like the early MM. No return line

Fitting that ended up fitting and working on both input and output sides was 62189-01A.  Didn't check to see what it's various applications might be. Just found one that got the job done and mated up correctly to everything around it.

[Texas 103]

Well crap.  Just grabbed the red bike's (05 SEEG) parts manual.  The fuel fitting for that is a -03 part number (62228-03).  So while it may eventually prove to work ok as part of a trial and error if need be it won't be the original fitment for the 2002 tank.

So... I know the coupler specified in the 02 parts manual is the part number for what was used on the Marelli bikes.  And it's wrong.  And I know the part specified in the 05 part manual for a Delphi bike is at least not the original correct fitment.  Need to find a part number for something in between. 

Have found a reference to a check valve 62189-01A.  No fitment designations though.  It does fall between the 61408-00 or -00A for the two fittings in to a Marelli style tank and the 62228-03 for the 05 Delphi tank.  Until proved otherwise by an 03 parts manual am assuming now that the -03 fitting started with the 03 model bikes.  If that's so it really does make at least the part number for the 02 fittings a one year only and one-off.  One that isn't documented in at least my parts manual for the 2002s. 

To find anymore it's going to take a trip to the dealership and a check for revisions of the parts manuals themselves or a look at other models.  That means for now I'm done talking to myself about this.

Don,

I looked at a  '02 Candy Brandy, in ADA OK that had an M&M and I passed on it before I bought mine. They are out there, not many, most are Delphi. Since the Candy Brandy's were made first , I believe they are more likely to have the M&M's. I have not seen an M&M on a Barney yet. .     

[Twolanerider]

Don,

I looked at a  '02 Candy Brandy, in ADA OK that had an M&M and I passed on it before I bought mine. They are out there, not many, most are Delphi. Since the Candy Brandy's were made first , I believe they are more likely to have the M&M's. I have not seen an M&M on a Barney yet. .     

I thought I remembered you saying yours had the Delphi type tank Greg.  Is that correct?  If so that'll be the third one reporting in.

[djkak]

The 62189-01A is for Softail fitment.

The -03 fitting has a flange behind the o-ring, as does the 62189-01A Softail fitting. The difference may just be the length of the fuel line attached; don’t know for sure, but I’ll bet that’s it. The M&M and early Delphi A engine fittings are not flanged.

I may need to check the batteries on my crystal ball, but it currently says that the correct part number for the 2002 FI A engine is 61408-00A. It further says that this fitting was used on both the inlet and return side in 2001 on the A engines, and on the inlet side in 2000.

The 2000 FI machines ran 61407-00A for the return line for just one year. It looks like in 2001 the fuel lines inside the tank were changed. I’ll bet the only difference between the 407 and 408 fittings is the length of the fuel line inside the tank…where you get your gas; good place to avoid. 

There may be some hanky panky going on with the parts books. I could take my crystal ball out into the parking lot and try jumping it with the Oldsmobile to see if anything changes. At this point it looks like 61408-00A is the correct part for your application.

[Twolanerider]

I can help with at least some of this DJ.  Here's what I've learned or knew:


The 62189-01A is for Softail fitment.
Never knew it's fitment.  But it does work in tank with the single fuel hole and accepts the touring models Delphi type fuel line.



I may need to check the batteries on my crystal ball, but it currently says that the correct part number for the 2002 FI A engine is 61408-00A.
That would be correct on a tank with both fuel holes.


It further says that this fitting was used on both the inlet and return side in 2001 on the A engines, and on the inlet side in 2000.
The 2000 FI machines ran 61407-00A for the return line for just one year. It looks like in 2001 the fuel lines inside the tank were changed. I’ll bet the only difference between the 407 and 408 fittings is the length of the fuel line inside the tank…where you get your gas; good place to avoid. 

That's also correct.  The fittings had a supercession.  The 61408-00A fitting was the fitting with the longer line attached.  Probably for purposes as simple as having one less old part number to have to keep it's now the longer line to both the pump/filter and for the return line.  Shorter interior line used to be the return line.  On the Marelli bikes it wouldn't (easily) reach the pump assembly.  Now you could hook it up wrong if you didn't pay attention.


At this point it looks like 61408-00A is the correct part for your application.
Correct for all the Marelli tanks with the outlet and return holes.  If someone has an oddball 02 tank like mine with the single Delphi type fitting that Softail part number will get them running.

Note in the exploded illustrations in the 02 parts manuals.  They illustrate a Marelli type fuel line.  The part number supercessions take it to a correct Delphi push on type line.  But they apparently had a little trouble making the shift smoothly back in the day.

[djkak]

......
I may need to check the batteries on my crystal ball, but it currently says that the correct part number for the 2002 FI A engine is 61408-00A.
That would be correct on a tank with both fuel holes.

.....If someone has an oddball 02 tank like mine with the single Delphi type fitting that Softail part number will get them running.

It makes sense that all single hole tanks would use a flanged fitting. I’ll bet the -03 fitting off the 2005 would also work. It looks like there is no published application for the single hole 2002 tanks.

You might be able to find out if that machine had a tank replaced under warranty if you gave Milwaukee a call with the VIN. It would be interesting to find this piece of the puzzle.

[Twolanerider]

It makes sense that all single hole tanks would use a flanged fitting. I’ll bet the -03 fitting off the 2005 would also work. It looks like there is no published application for the single hole 2002 tanks.

You might be able to find out if that machine had a tank replaced under warranty if you gave Milwaukee a call with the VIN. It would be interesting to find this piece of the puzzle.

Have wondered about the warranty replacement possibility also.  The guy I bought the bike from was the original owner and says the tank was never replaced during his ownership.  That doesn't preclude the dealer seeing a problem during setup and replacing the tank before sale.  The prior owner also says he bought the bike "late" in the model year despite the red bikes coming first.  One could speculate the owner using it himself for a few months before the bike going out the door.

It's a weird one.  Such things happen now and again.  I'm perfectly willing to be amused by it since there was an easy solution.  Like you I'm guessing the -03 fitting would work also.  Local dealer happened to have the -01 in stock and not the -03 though so that's the one I could lay eyes on to know for sure.

Next time I need to visit the local dealership will visit the service counter with the VIN to see what service history is available.  Given the circumstances of this project service history wasn't a consideration with the purchase.  But the investigatory process is interesting.

[Twolanerider]

It makes sense that all single hole tanks would use a flanged fitting. I’ll bet the -03 fitting off the 2005 would also work.

Might have discovered the functional difference between the -01 Softail part number and the -03 part number DJ.  Still didn't have a side by side comparison but came home this evening with the filter kit and gasket to seal this tank up.  The line inside the tank on the -01 fitting works; barely. 

There is enough line length to get it on the output side and get it all fed inside the tank.  But not easily.  Bet the line on the -03 fitting on the bagger tanks is a bit longer and that the line is the only difference in the part numbers.

[djkak]

Might have discovered the functional difference between the -01 Softail part number and the -03 part number DJ.  Still didn't have a side by side comparison but came home this evening with the filter kit and gasket to seal this tank up.  The line inside the tank on the -01 fitting works; barely. 

There is enough line length to get it on the output side and get it all fed inside the tank.  But not easily.  Bet the line on the -03 fitting on the bagger tanks is a bit longer and that the line is the only difference in the part numbers.

The fuel line on the -03 assembly is roughly 1.7 inches longer than the -01 piece. 

[Twolanerider]

The fuel line on the -03 assembly is roughly 1.7 inches longer than the -01 piece. 

From having done the same task inside the bagger tanks a few times I was guessing a couple inches of difference.  This wasn't short enough to keep the task from getting done.  But it was short enough you had to slide the sender down in the tank and then put the filter/regulator on the sender and tighten the clip and bar.

This bike is going to be such a local cruiser it'll take it a long time to see 25-30k miles.  In four or five years when that's finally happened I'll change the fitting then !

[djkak]

I ran into this today and remembered that I may have a place to stick this photo.   

[Twolanerider]

I ran into this today and remembered that I may have a place to stick this photo.   

That's what is documented in the parts manual.  Normal Marelli type tank with the return hole plugged.  It's these oddballs that are, well.... oddball.