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[Midnight Rider]

Ultra...I don't think much of anything is made here any more, at least not totally. Exxon/Mobil is US based.  Of course they have plants all over the world, like all big corperations these days. I run BP, Shell, Chevron, and Exxon in my vehicles 99% of the time, and try to trade at stations who turn over a lot of fuel so it's fresh.  I grew up using Amoco "white gas" because my granddaddy owned a little two pump station near the steel mills here in B'ham...back when there were steel mills. I used it because it kept my caburators clean...only thing with no lead back then, if I'm not mistaken.  Now they're owned by BP.

If HD oil was a superior product, I'd probably use it, but it's clearly not.  So, I'll use Mobil 1 and others will use Amsoil, etc.

I wouldn't use Exxon products for years after the Valdese thing up in Alaska, but in the past year started again.  Fact is, most of our petroleum comes from places where we don't necessarily agree with their politics or culture...it's unavoidable.  There's not enough of it here for us to get by on...hell, the Artic Wildlife Refuge would only supply us for 6 months if everything else dried up, so that's not worth fu$#ing up for that.

[ggraves427]

After looking all over town I could not find the Mobil 1 10W-40 MX4T, so I ordered it on line from the Mobil 1 Store (just google Mobil 1).  It came UPS today right to my front door.  Plan on using it in my bike as well as my wife's Fatboy.  Crankcase and primary with Redline HD Shockproof in the transmision.  

[BLM777]

After looking all over town I could not find the Mobil 1 10W-40 MX4T, so I ordered it on line from the Mobil 1 Store (just google Mobil 1).  It came UPS today right to my front door.  Plan on using it in my bike as well as my wife's Fatboy.  Crankcase and primary with Redline HD Shockproof in the transmision.  

Try the Super WalMart up in Denton if you're in that area.  They carry the MX as well as the V-Twin in the small motorcycle department by the auto lubes etc....Just a thought

[05Rider]

  Just had my 5K service done.  I was going to go with Amsoil but the dealership owed me a free oil change and detail for screwing something up.  They put in HD synthetic, so I shouldn't complain too much.  
  So at the next service I will go with Amsoil.

Ride Often - Ride Safe  [smiley=helmet.gif]

[ggraves427]

After ordering my Mobil 1 MX4T 10W-40 on line, I found some at a local crouch rocket riding gear store for $2.00 per quart cheaper.   I guess I just need some encouragement to put the Mobil 1 in my crankcase and primary.  That oil is so thin (like Syn 3), it almost pours like water.  Does HD 20-50 get that thin when it gets hot?  Help me think this out I'm not a chemist, just seems like you should be putting 50 wt. in your bike when it is going to be 95 degrees.

[RJ749]

After ordering my Mobil 1 MX4T 10W-40 on line, I found some at a local crouch rocket riding gear store for $2.00 per quart cheaper.   I guess I just need some encouragement to put the Mobil 1 in my crankcase and primary.  That oil is so thin (like Syn 3), it almost pours like water.  Does HD 20-50 get that thin when it gets hot?  Help me think this out I'm not a chemist, just seems like you should be putting 50 wt. in your bike when it is going to be 95 degrees.

Porsche (I know it isn't exactly the same as our bikes) has run Mobil 1 exclusively for years in air cooleds.  It is now the only oil they recommend.  The cars in the south get hotter than a pistol (Arizona, Texas, California desert).  I've talked extensively with the Porsche Area service guys and with Mobil 1 reps as recently as last month.  I have seen no, zero, nahda, zip problems associated with Mobil 1 synthetic or any oiling problems related to it in combination with heat.

Move into the future with confidence, thicker just means loss of horsepower anyway.

[ggraves427]

Thanks man, I needed that.  OK I'm twisting the cap off, I'm actually pouring the Mobil 1 into my crankcase, I feel like should push the start button and run like hell.  

[spydglide]

Thanks man, I needed that.  OK I'm twisting the cap off, [highlight]I'm actually pouring the Mobil 1 into my crankcase[/highlight], I feel like should push the start button and run like hell.  

Ohhhhh, Noooooooo!  [smiley=hanged.gif] har!  spyder

[SPIDERMAN]

The issue with viscosity is not what it is at room temps, but what it is at high temps. My understanding of all synth oils is that they do not break down at high temps, thus maintaining superior film strength under extreme conditions. I personally prefer AMSOIL and have seen the difference in operating temps out in the Mojave between dyno oil, Syn 3 and AMSOIL and Yes, AMSOIL runs cooler than either. I have not heard anything adverse about Mobil 1 and it is my understanding that WALMART carries it in all of their stores. Thus all you need do on a long trip is pack a spare filter and you can change your oil in any WALMART parking lot (asuming you've got a way to catch the dirty oil)

[RJ749]

Thanks man, I needed that.  OK I'm twisting the cap off, I'm actually pouring the Mobil 1 into my crankcase, I feel like should push the start button and run like hell.  

Try these links for more info and detail (maybe too much for some) but nothing a  [smiley=drink.gif] won't get you through.

http://flhrsei.org/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?num=1140673422/9#9

http://www.xlrator.com/personal/oil/Oil%20and%20the%20Harley%20Davidson%20Motorcycle.pdf

[ggraves427]

Spiderman and Rjob, I really do appreciate the info.  I'm from the old school and some adjustments are harder than others. Have a great weekend and anybody that is within riding distance of Austin, TX, the Republic of Texas MC Rally (June 1-4)  is one heck of a party.

[SPIDERMAN]

Spiderman and Rjob, I really do appreciate the info.  I'm from the old school and some adjustments are harder than others. Have a great weekend and anybody that is within riding distance of Austin, TX, the Republic of Texas [highlight]MC Rally (June 1-4)  is one heck of a party.[/[/highlight]quote]

Look for a guy on an 03 Golden SERK with Mississippi plates pulling a black trailer with California plates. His name is Ken. All gray hair. He is back riding after a near fatal wreck last fall. He will be with his girl Ronnie. Tell him his bro Brian wishes he was there with him Ken's a good ole southern boy  [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]

[gdkenoyer]

I guess I just need some encouragement to put the Mobil 1 in my crankcase and primary.  That oil is so thin (like Syn 3), it almost pours like water.

well, you already got the encouragement and made the leap.  I have M1 VT 20W-50 in my crank, it's doing fine and, yep, it poured pretty thin...
But don't piss the M1 away in the primary - it doesn't need Syn, just drop some decent dino 10W-40 in there.  And then you won't get a load of crap for putting all that Moly on your clutch plates!  

[SPIDERMAN]

[highlight]And then you won't get a load of crap for putting all that Moly on your clutch plates!   [/highlight]

FYI  
      Syn 3, Mobil 1 and AMSOIL are low in moly. That's why they're good in all three holes. Red Line is very high in Moly so it's not a good primary lubricant, but it's the best product out there to put in your crankcase. Bottom line is there is a best of all for each hole. There was a survey with various graphs and charts supporting this on one of the threads on this site awhile back. I printed it out and saved it. One of the moderators should be able to direct you to that thread. One of the things I got from the charts was that AMSOIL,Syn 3 and Mobil 1 were all more than adequete. Liking the 3 in 1 aspect, I decided to stay with tried and true AMSOIL. But you know something ? You spent your $35K just like I did, it's your money, your choice. Go with what gives you peace of mind.

[gdkenoyer]

Syn 3, Mobil 1 and AMSOIL are low in moly. That's why they're good in all three holes. Red Line is very high in Moly so it's not a good primary lubricant

I don't disagree with you but be aware that "low" is relative: this VOA for Syn 3 has Zero Mo, this UOA for AMSoil shows a 1, VOAs for M1 oils show from 79 to 91, and Redline (Auto oil VOA!) has a whopping 658.  
I beleive that the M1 used to be lower in Mo but that was prior to the last reformulation.

But again, there is no need for the expensive Syns in the Primary, any decent (and low in Moly) dino is just fine.