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[Eqcons]

Well, I completed the Rinehart install on Friday/Saturday, and I have to say that, given the price of this system, I'm disappointed by a few aspects. Anyone else found the same disappointing things:

1) Instructions are poor, particularly the photos - they could surely be proper, printed ones with grayscale photos on an $800 system....
2) There is pretty well zero clearance in several areas, despite playing around with the joints and fixings several times - the rear axle nut, the cam cover, and the primary cover.

These above are just annoyances - the more serious things are:

A) the header support bracket is shipped in with the bag of nuts and bolts, so in transit the inevitable happens, and the (powder?) coating on it gets ruined by the nuts and bolts rattling about.  Surely it's not too hard to bag it separately!  (And why not make it chrome???)

B) the heatshield on the front pipe is of a smaller diameter than the "P-Clamp" fixing for the front pipe, and has to be forced over it, causing a bulge.  The big problem caused by that is that being in full contact with the "P-Clamp"  the heatshield gets v.hot there, and of course it's located exactly where you put your foot down, so quickly attracts melted rubber. MAJOR problem!!

C) After one day of use, the chrome on the heatshield for the rear pipe is bubbling at both ends. :-(

On a $300-$400 system, I might expect some of these things, but they are hard to accept at $800!

Finally, it's definitely too noisy for me (and I do like noisy systems!) as every time you open the throttle, it breaks the vox on the intercom, deafening me and the mrs. If you adjust the vox so that it doesn't do that, you get about one word in three when you talk.

Do they do quieter baffles for the True Duals?

Jim

[WFP]

My rear heat shield is bluing because of the lack of clearance at the bend...there is no cooling air gap so the heat is transferred from the pipe to the heat shield.

The axel nut on the right side will damage the chrome pretty quick.

/Bill

[Fired00d]

In regards to your concerns/disappointment in fitment of parts, and damaged parts you can use the contact below. This was posted somewhere before and I saved it as I have Rineharts also in case I would ever have a warranty issue. Hope this helps.

Karen McRobbie
Warranty Dept.

BUB Enterprises
180 Clydesdale Court
Grass Valley, CA 95945
1-800-934-9739
Fax (530) 273-3406

Operating Hours Monday -Friday
8:00am-3:30pm Pacific Standard Time

[highlight]Additional Info - Just did a search and found email address for Karen - karen@bubent.com[/highlight]

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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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[Eqcons]

In regards to your concerns/disappointment in fitment of parts, and damaged parts you can use the contact below. This was posted somewhere before and I saved it as I have Rineharts also in case I would ever have a warranty issue. Hope this helps.

Karen McRobbie
Warranty Dept.

BUB Enterprises
180 Clydesdale Court
Grass Valley, CA 95945
1-800-934-9739
Fax (530) 273-3406

Operating Hours Monday -Friday
8:00am-3:30pm Pacific Standard Time

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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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Thanks Firedood.  As you have Rineharts too, have you noticed the same shortcomings?   Worst of all (the bubbling chrome can be replaced) is the "P-Clamp" being a bigger OD than the ID of the heatshield;  that really is a disaster area - I spent an hour yesterday getting melted rubber of that area, and there can be no doubt it will blue.  :-/

Jim

[Fired00d]

I have the older style Rineharts that don't have the "P" clamp. I had saved this information because of all the failures I had heard about the original way the pipes were/are mounted to starter, and that bracket giving out. So far I like many haven't had a failure with the way they are mounted.

/me is keeping his fingers crossed. [smiley=nervous.gif]

BTW - I added an email address for Karen in my previous post.

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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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[Fatboy]

Maybe you got a bad set....but I didn't experience any of the issue's you incurred. I'd follow up with the manufacturer and request a new exchange set directly from them. Also they do make several baffle option's which may help quiet them down some. You're right you should get what you paid for!

And I know from experience this is normally a great product and easy to install.  [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]

I've had mine on for 2-3 month's now and no issue's to date.  8-)

[Eqcons]

I added an email address for Karen in my previous post.

Email on the way to her as we speak!  I hope they don't think I'm just a moaner, but there is no question - there are SERIOUS flaws with this design!  

Jim

[TexTaz]

That sucks.  Please keep us posted on how this works out.  I'm still waiting for mine to show up. Ordered from Drag and they keeping pushing the delivery date out, I'm at 4wks. now.  I was starting to think that we were getting jerked around, but at the ROT Rally the guys from J&P told me they were having the same issues getting these pipes in.  
I'll be really disappointed if I've waited this long and have the same experience.
Best of Luck

[Eqcons]

Maybe you got a bad set....but I didn't experience any of the issue's you incurred. I'd follow up with the manufacturer and request a new exchange set directly from them. Also they do make several baffle option's which may help quiet them down some. You're right you should get what you paid for!

And I know from experience this is normally a great product and easy to install.  [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]

I've had mine on for 2-3 month's now and no issue's to date.  8-)

Hmmmm..... so you don't have the "P-Clamp" that's too big to go in the heatshield, and plenty of clearance at the three points I mention??? and the mounting bracket wasn't all marked and chipped from being in contact with the bolts during shipping?

   Mine have a manufacture date of March 06, so I guess they may have changed things since you got yours, but that P-Clamp issue can't help but be noticed; wonder if they've gone to a thicker one?

Jim

[Eqcons]

That sucks.  Please keep us posted on how this works out.  I'm still waiting for mine to show up. Ordered from Drag and they keeping pushing the delivery date out, I'm at 4wks. now.  I was starting to think that we were getting jerked around, but at the ROT Rally the guys from J&P told me they were having the same issues getting these pipes in.  
I'll be really disappointed if I've waited this long and have the same experience.
Best of Luck

I'll keep you posted Textaz. I've emailed them today, so will let you know what they say.  I was indeed disappointed having anticipated for so long, and met these issues....

Jim

[WFP]

These people had mine at my door in 2 days:
Eastern Performance

/Bill

That sucks.  Please keep us posted on how this works out.  I'm still waiting for mine to show up. Ordered from Drag and they keeping pushing the delivery date out, I'm at 4wks. now.  I was starting to think that we were getting jerked around, but at the ROT Rally the guys from J&P told me they were having the same issues getting these pipes in.  
I'll be really disappointed if I've waited this long and have the same experience.
Best of Luck

[Fatboy]

Hmmmm..... so you don't have the "P-Clamp" that's too big to go in the heatshield, and plenty of clearance at the three points I mention??? and the mounting bracket wasn't all marked and chipped from being in contact with the bolts during shipping?

   Mine have a manufacture date of March 06, so I guess they may have changed things since you got yours, but that P-Clamp issue can't help but be noticed; wonder if they've gone to a thicker one?

Jim

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Jim,

* No P-Clamp issue's with fitment but I tightened it down aggressively before I attempted to tighten up the heat shields.

* I wouldn't say "plenty of clearence" but everything fit properly after I'd made several adjustment's. It was a learning process for me but I could now redo the job in about half the time. The primary area on the rear pipe was the trickiest.

* No parts were recieved damaged. Chrome bracket would have been a nice additon.

* What kind of shape was your box in when recieved? Who did you buy from and who handled the shipping? Could the handling of the package in transit caused some of your issue's?

* Got mine in 2 days from Eastern Performance via EBay for $749 on my doorstep. The new version with the o2 sensor.

 Good luck with the manufacturer. [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif] I'm hoping then send you a new exchange set because this is a great product and you deserve to see that for yourself.

Fatboy

[Eqcons]

* No P-Clamp issue's with fitment but I tightened it down aggressively before I attempted to tighten up the heat shields.

That really puzzles me - they must have changed something there.

* I wouldn't say "plenty of clearence" but everything fit properly after I'd made several adjustment's. It was a learning process for me but I could now redo the job in about half the time. The primary area on the rear pipe was the trickiest.

I'd have said the rear axle nut was trickiest, but I can live with these - I'll probably play around some more with the adjustment.  However, why don't they make allowances for such clearance issues, like the recessed area that HD put in their mufflers?

* No parts were recieved damaged. Chrome bracket would have been a nice additon.

So your bracket was not in the bag with the nuts and bolts?  Yes, knowing it was for a Harley, they'd know we like chrome, and that would stand some contact with nuts and bolts more readily too..... And what would it add to their cost?  a couple of bucks.

* What kind of shape was your box in when recieved? Who did you buy from and who handled the shipping? Could the handling of the package in transit caused some of your issue's?

Box was perfect - a friend hand carried it from the US.

* Got mine in 2 days from Eastern Performance via EBay for $749 on my doorstep. The new version with the o2 sensor.

Ditto! :-)

Good luck with the manufacturer. [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif] I'm hoping then send you a new exchange set because this is a great product and you deserve to see that for yourself.

Once they discover I'm in the UK they might not be so keen!    Anyway, we'll soon discover - I've just had the "read" notification from the email I sent them.  I sure hope Karen isn't one of those girls who is all cranky on Monday mornings!  

Jim

[Fatboy]

I sure hope Karen isn't one of those girls who is all cranky on Monday mornings!  

Jim

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Jim,

 American women can be cranky 24/7........ [smiley=nervous.gif]

 Be prepared.  

Fatboy  

[110tHunDer]

Everytime I get serious about wanting to buy a set Rineharts for my bike, a thread like this pops up.  Last year it was the cracking issues, now it's fitment issues.  I hope you get it resolved, Eqcons, and I'll be watching along with TexTaz and others, to see how this ends up.