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[pwatson]

has anyone installed there new version of the power commander v?
and what did you see differnt.

[Midnight Rider]

has anyone installed there new version of the power commander v?
and what did you see differnt.

This has been beaten to death.  Yes, it will work...but not as good a solution as a TTS Mastertune.  The PC is a piggyback device and the TTS is not.

If you do a search for either subject in the search box, you'll come up with more information than you want to read.

[Twolanerider]

This has been beaten to death.  Yes, it will work...but not as good a solution as a TTS Mastertune.  The PC is a piggyback device and the TTS is not.

If you do a search for either subject in the search box, you'll come up with more information than you want to read.

Terry's right that you an do more with the TTS product than you can with the Power Commander product.  There were some failure issues with the PC III that I don't remember hearing so much about with the PC V.

Having said that the PC is simpler to use.  The TTS software can be challenging for some.  So if you're doing it yourself that's a consideration.  End result might be a difference between "good" and "a little better."  So if good is good enough you've at least got options to consider.  Especially if the Power Commander comes from someplace like FuelMoto that has a good reputation for matching maps with Power Commanders when the units are supplied to the customers.

All depends on your skills and patience though.  Have fun with it no matter which way you end up.

[pwatson]

They have updated it to adjust timing and some other things,looking to see if anyone has bought and installed the new one .

[glens]

The PC-V has always been able to do timing & more.  It's just such a band-aid approach on the newer bikes that I'd never even consider it.

Fuelmoto's calibrations are okay if your ECM's adaptive fuel values match those of the ECM on which the calibration was developed.  If they don't match it's just as much a crap shoot as any other method.  The only way to ensure they match is if they were reset on the development bike immediately prior to disabling its closed-loop, and if they're reset on your bike immediately prior to disabling closed-loop.  I discussed this with them several years ago but don't know whether or how they've handled it.  I know they weren't concerned at the time, and the mis-match sure bit me in the ass.

[ottosails]

My 2 cents Pwatson.
I have a PC - V with Vance & Hines Power duals and Fullsac 2.0 baffles.  Works great for me.  Fuel Moto gave me the map for the set up and it works.

[willyB]

Been running Power Commander products for 9+ years with ZERO problems. Currently using PCV from FuelMoto with their map and have ZERO problems.

I continually hear on this forum that PCV sucks. It's SILLY. It is a Bandaid Approach, Etc..Etc...Etc... It appears from this forum that TTS has been sent from God and is a miracle product. I will stress that don't know anything about TTS. But all I can say is that I purchased the PVC from Fuelmoto (Cheapest price anywhere) with a map they supplied for my setup. Took the seat off, plugged it in and it has been flawless for 13,000 miles.

My 9+ years and many, many miles of personal experience with Power Commander has only left me with positive results. On this site, if your not running Fullsac X-pipes, Fullsac Power Cores and a TTS tuner the sky will surely fall on you. There are multiple other forum sites out there that promote the use of different tuners and other exhaust brands.

Personally, I would like Steve from Fullsac (TTS Vendor) and Jamie from FuelMoto (Power Commander Vendor) provide us all with a head to head debate on the good/bad/ugly of tuners. I'm sure these two experts can provide all the valid data we can all use to validate our tuner purchases.

[sadunbar]

On this site, if your not running Fullsac X-pipes, Fullsac Power Cores and a TTS tuner the sky will surely fall on you.

      

[glens]

Look, we've currently got a state-of-the-art v-twin EFI system.  It's silly to disable the closed-loop operation in this day and age when fuel is so variable, not to mention throwing away good money doing so.  There are several methods available for reprogramming the stock ECM.  TTS is currently the best of the breed.  What's wrong with extolling the virtues and simplicity of such a system?

[willyB]

Look, we've currently got a state-of-the-art v-twin EFI system.  It's silly to disable the closed-loop operation in this day and age when fuel is so variable, not to mention throwing away good money doing so.  There are several methods available for reprogramming the stock ECM.  TTS is currently the best of the breed.  (Hey Jamie at FuelMoto,, Would you agree with that statement?) What's wrong with extolling the virtues and simplicity of such a system?

[Twolanerider]

Personally, I would like Steve from Fullsac (TTS Vendor) and Jamie from FuelMoto (Power Commander Vendor) provide us all with a head to head debate on the good/bad/ugly of tuners.

Oh holy Jesus no .

[grc]

Just as is true with many things in life, there is more than one way to get from where you are to where you want to be.  If you are happy with a simple fuel adding black box "tuner", so be it.  If you are happy with a slightly more capable add-on device like a Power Commander, so be it.  It's your bike and you can do whatever you want.  BUT, if you ask for advice about what the BEST approach is, anyone who is really knowledgeable about the latest closed loop EFI is going to tell you to use a solution that retains the closed loop function.  It just so happens that of the current choices, many of us believe the TTS MasterTune package is the most capable of those solutions.  If you don't like that advice, feel free to ignore it.

btw, I have an older bike without closed loop EFI, and I've still got a PCIII on it.  Haven't had any problems with it once I sealed the connector to keep water out, and it is adequate for what I do with this bike.  If I ever get crazy enough to buy a new bike, however, it will get the TTS package unless something better comes along by that time. 


FWIW - Jerry

[1sharprdkg]

Have PCIII's on two other bikes and have PCV on 09 SEUC all have been running without any problems. 

[Twolanerider]

Have PCIII's on two other bikes and have PCV on 09 SEUC all have been running without any problems. 

I ran PC IIIs for a long time also.  Older ones before that.  Based soley on the path of least resistance to a great tuner.  Had one local who used Power Commander.  Never had to think about it more than that.  Still would if he'd not retired. 

Very good with a Power Commander is better than any home brewed tune I'd manage with a TTS; no matter how patient I'd be.  Question will often boil down to what skill is offered by a tuner within a range you're willing to visit.

[pwatson]

With the auto tune it runs in closed loop,I have worked with them on off road machines and work great and very easy to use.