Topic: 2012 CVO Production Run (Read 13156 times)

WYD OPN · « **Reply #45 on:** December 12, 2012, 02:14:29 PM »

Quote from: Wrongway on December 12, 2012, 02:03:31 PM

I hate to see people complaining about the numbers WYD has recieved and posted for us. I myself have spent many hours adding this to the spread sheet provided. CAN YOU DO BETTER? If so, DO IT!
I have not seen an OFFICIAL letter from the MOCO since 2005! Have you? If you don't like what we have provided for you all, GET IT YOURSELF! Done

Exactly! And thank you for your years and many hours of collaboration to acquire and provide the numbers. You were the extra motivation for me to spend months making sure every last number was correct.

The numbers are objective fact, not subjective opinion and speculation. You know the amount of hours and phone/e-mail correspondence it took to get all this data because you were part of the project. It just hits me wrong when others subjectively say "nuh-uh".

Thanks again for making the spreadsheet. Many have/do/will appreciate it. :-)

Wild Card · « **Reply #46 on:** December 12, 2012, 02:15:07 PM »

Quote from: WYD OPN on December 12, 2012, 01:44:12 PM

Because they're in the much-more-detailed breakdown of each year/model/color/market.

No. The numbers are all where I said they were. Go look. "CVO Numbers" thread. Read back a year. You're a year late to criticize the data. The 2012 data I ADDED was an addendum. And I reposted the summary list since nobody seemed to bother looking at the posts from last year that have been bumped with the 2012 update.

It's only misleading if you ignore the rest of the information from last year that's readily available. There's no error. Go look at the per-model-year breakdowns.

Good... and... Grief. This is ridiculous. Call/write MoCo and get all 14 years of data for yourself. I did, and shared it so nobody else would have to and because nobody else ever did or would.

Criticisms about the format being misleading are bogus and irrational.

So you and Wrongway are doing this together? I've read that thread you referenced. You mentioned the specials once on Jan 20, 2011 but then left them out on Jan 21, 2011 and onward. Also, Wrongway's spreadsheet doesn't account for any of them. Am I missing something there?

WYD OPN · « **Reply #47 on:** December 12, 2012, 02:49:09 PM »

Quote from: Wild Card on December 12, 2012, 02:15:07 PM

So you and Wrongway are doing this together? I've read that thread you referenced. You mentioned the specials once on Jan 20, 2011 but then left them out on Jan 21, 2011 and onward. Also, Wrongway's spreadsheet doesn't account for any of them. Am I missing something there?

Yes. You're missing that the summary list was for most people who want to have the numbers for their year/model/color. The International and Specials breakdown per model/market is much lengthier and more extensive. That's why the summary was made.

The project was in phases. I compiled all I could from this site, and in doing so I found Wrongway. He'd already done the same thing and made an incomplete spreadsheet of the numbers we could find. But then stuff like the Specials started popping up that screwed up the annual numbers from the summary, leaving 5 or 4 or 7 unaccounted for on many models.

So... I had already gotten the bulk of the summary numbers, but I called back a billionth time to talk with Suzie and ask for the International breakdowns and Specials, etc. After confirming all the annual numbers again, she suggested just sending me copy/pastes, because her eyes were crossing while trying to give me all the data verbally. I initially got all the copy/pastes for the models we were missing. Then I wasn't satisfied until every last number was correct, so I talked to Suzie yet again and she sent me every copy/paste of everything.

Wrongway's spreadsheet is the same data format he had before all the extra info by country and without Specials, No Color on Build (NCOB), etc. I posted all that info in successive posts on the CVO Numbers thread. The character count requires multiple posts, which is why I generally only copy the summary list. Most people don't care how many FLHRSE3s went to Canada when they own a FLHTCUSE4 or whatever.

I've proofread the numbers 50 times and had Wrongway do the same. He just hasn't expanded his format because it's a LOT of info once it's charted in columns. I may do it for myself in a WORD Table document.

Have you looked through the detailed breakdowns yet? It's all there.

WYD OPN · « **Reply #48 on:** December 12, 2012, 02:57:04 PM »

Here is one of my posts explaining each discrepancy found after acquiring and scrutinizing all the accurate numbers.

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Re: CVO Numbers
« Reply #148 on: January 25, 2012, 11:36:01 AM »
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NOTE TO THOSE WHO ACCESSED THIS THREAD PRIOR TO 01.21.12 FOR PRODUCTION NUMBERS!!!!

After receiving complete information from H-D, there are several updates that bear explanation. First, the previously compiled list is 98% accurate, and the updates are mostly an addition of numbers that were previously excluded with the core numbers being correct. IOW, the updates are for additional information previously unavailable.

Color and model totals were adjusted to include previously-excluded JPN market numbers for:
2007 FLHRSE3 (3 colors)
2008 FLHRSE4 (2 colors)
2009 FLTRSE3 (3 colors)
2010 FXDFSE2 (3 colors)

Color and model total was adjusted to include previously-excluded CAL market numbers for:
2000 FLTRSEI (2 colors)

In addition, there were two model misreported according to estimated or presumed production quantities and were previously posted in the forum without confirmation from H-D. These were simply repeated in the list as accurate.
2003 FXSTDSEI (1 color)
2008 FLHTCUSE3 (1 color)

Also, there were two models previously reported that were most likely typos.
1999 FXR3 (1 color and model total)
2009 FLHTCUSE4 (1 color)

There will be ongoing proof-reading of all information to determine if any small discrepancies remain.

Wild Card · « **Reply #49 on:** December 12, 2012, 02:57:26 PM »

Certainly, and I have no doubt that these are the most accurate numbers out there. I was just confused why Wrongway's spreadsheet hadn't included them and you sometimes posted info on the specials and other times only posted a summary excluding those bikes. That's all.

WYD OPN · « **Reply #50 on:** December 12, 2012, 03:09:51 PM »

And here's the initial post of several with International breakdowns.

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HERE IT IS!!!! THE KING DADDY EXHAUSTIVE LIST OF ALL CVO PRODUCTION NUMBERS FOR EVERY YEAR OF EVERY MODEL FOR EVERY COUNTRY!

This information was received via e-mails that were a direct copy/paste from H-Ds internal database, so this is THE comprehensive and definitive list for thorough accuracy. Approximately 98% of the previous list was correct, but there are a handful of updates for several reasons which I'll outline specifically. I had previously gotten the remaining numbers after compiling all the various H-D responses on this site. A few of those were incomplete or incorrect by a small margin. I undertook this project because I felt the list was almost accurate, but had a few question-marks about some listed below.

This has all taken about 50 hours of compilation, and I've proofread it several times; but I welcome any and all to advise me of any typos or incorrect addition, etc., and I invite any questions for clarification. I've added sub-totals for USA totals and INT'L totals in brackets. I've indicated all SPECIAL and NO COLOR ON BUILD stats in parentheses.

UPDATES:
~ 1999 FXR3 Candy Emerald Green was previously reported as 620 (typo?); the corrected number is 621.
~ 2000 FLTRSEI Both colors were previously reported excluding CAL units at 730/685; the correct numbers are 793/768.
~ 2003 FXSTDSEI Black/Gold Annie was previously reported according to the CVO website estimate of 2,950; the corrected number is 3,080.
~ 2008 FLHTCUSE3 Copper/Black Annie was previously reported according to the projected number on the badge of 1,800; the corrected number is 1,731.
~ 2009 FLHTCUSE4 Ruby Red/Typhoon Maroon was previously reported as 1,255 (typo?); the corrected number is 1,155.
~ 2007 FLHRSE3 / 2008 FLHRSE4 / 2009 FLTRSE3 / 2010 FXDFSE2 each were previously reported with no JPN units produced. This is because each of them utilize a different internal model code and were referred to with slightly different model designations. Because of that, they weren't in the same section of the database to be reported with the rest of the markets. The JPN numbers have been added and the totals updated to reflect the corrected numbers.
~ 2009 FLHTCUSE4 / 2010 FLHXSE / 2010 FLHTCUSE5 each were previously reported with JPN units produced because they were the same internal model code and therefore need no correction.
~ Still awaiting International breakdown on VRXSE and VRSCX. Coming soon.
(I'll correct these on the previous list.)

LEGEND:
DOM = Domestic
CAL = California
AUS = Australia
CAN = Canada
ENG = England
HDI = H-D International
JPN = Japan

SPECIAL = Special
NCOB = No Color On Build

[USA = Total of DOM and CAL]
[INT'L = Total of AUS/CAN/ENG/HDI/JPN]

I've omitted BRZ, since no CVO units show export to Brazil.
HDI is all International exports besides AUS/BRZ/CAN/ENG/JPN.
SPECIAL and NCOB are listed after the last color of each model.

(Due to length of characters, this will have to be split into separate posts.)

INTERNATIONAL CVO PRODUCTION NUMBERS

1999 FXR2: 901
Arresting Red: 625
DOM 570
CAL 55
[USA 625]
AUS 00
CAN 00
ENG 00
HDI 00
JPN 00
[INT'L 00]
Stone Cold Blue: 276
DOM 251
CAL 25
[USA 276]
AUS 00
CAN 00
ENG 00
HDI 00
JPN 00
[INT'L 00]

1999 FXR3: 921
Two-Tone Candy Emerald Green w/Flames: 621
DOM 566
CAL 55
[USA 621]
AUS 00
CAN 00
ENG 00
HDI 00
JPN 00
[INT'L 00]
Two-Tone Bright/Dark Candy Blue w/Flames: 300
DOM 270
CAL 30
[USA 300]
AUS 00
CAN 00
ENG 00
HDI 00
JPN 00
[INT'L 00]

2000 FXR4: 980
Screaming Yellow Pearl/Eclipse Graphics: 664
DOM 576
CAL 56
[USA 632]
AUS 00
CAN 32
ENG 00
HDI 00
JPN 00
[INT'L 32]
Candy Tangerine/Eclipse Graphics: 316
DOM 261
CAL 23
[USA 284]
AUS 00
CAN 32
ENG 00
HDI 00
JPN 00
[INT'L 32]

2000 FLTRSEI ROAD GLIDE: 1,561
Vivid Black/VR Racing Orange/Arctic White: 793
DOM 693
CAL 63
AUS 00
[USA 756]
CAN 37
ENG 00
HDI 00
JPN 00
[INT'L 37]
Three-Tone Red: 768
DOM 649
CAL 83
[USA 732]
AUS 00
CAN 36
ENG 00
HDI 00
JPN 00
[INT'L 36]

2001 FLTRSEI2 ROAD GLIDE: 1,707
Vivid Black/Platinum Silver/Charcoal Satin Bright: 858
DOM 731
CAL 92
[USA 823]
AUS 00
CAN 35
ENG 00
HDI 00
JPN 00
[INT'L 35]
Sinister Blue Pearl/Diamond Ice/States Blue Pearl: 849
DOM 742
CAL 69
[USA 811]
AUS 00
CAN 38
ENG 00
HDI 00
JPN 00
[INT'L 38]

2001 FXDWG2 DYNA WIDE GLIDE: 1,676
Scarlet Red/Gold Flames: 1,676
DOM 1,439
CAL 144
[USA 1,583]
AUS 00
CAN 93
ENG 00
HDI 00
JPN 00
[INT'L 93]

2002 FXDWG3 DYNA WIDE GLIDE: 1,946
Navy Blue Pearl/Silver Metallic Flames: 1,011
DOM 841
CAL 81
[USA 922]
AUS 00
CAN 40
ENG 00
HDI 49
JPN 00
[INT'L 89]
Vivid Black/Gold Flames: 935
DOM 772
CAL 72
[USA 844]
AUS 00
CAN 40
ENG 00
HDI 51
JPN 00
[INT'L 91]

2002 FLHRSEI ROAD KING: 2,179
Purple w/Flames: 1,771
DOM 1,452
CAL 129
[USA 1,581]
AUS 00
CAN 57
ENG 00
HDI 88
JPN 45
[INT'L 190]
Candy Brandwine w/Flames: 408
DOM 345
CAL 38
[USA 383]
AUS 00
CAN 24
ENG 00
HDI 00
JPN 01
[INT'L 25]

2003 FLHRSEI2 ROAD KING: 3,603
Centennial Gold/Vivid Black/Burgundy: 3,603
DOM 3,163
CAL 313
[USA 3,476]
AUS 00
CAN 127
ENG 00
HDI 00
JPN 00
[INT'L 127]

2003 FXSTDSEI SOFTAIL DEUCE: 3,080
Centennial Gold/Black: 3,080
DOM 2,723
CAL 273
[USA 2,996]
AUS 00
CAN 84
ENG 00
HDI 00
JPN 00
[INT'L 84]

WYD OPN · « **Reply #51 on:** December 12, 2012, 03:19:42 PM »

Quote from: Wild Card on December 12, 2012, 02:57:26 PM

Certainly, and I have no doubt that these are the most accurate numbers out there. I was just confused why Wrongway's spreadsheet hadn't included them and you sometimes posted info on the specials and other times only posted a summary excluding those bikes. That's all.

His spreadsheet was already set up, and he's never included the market breakdowns. Here's another of the International breakdown posts that includes your FXSTSSE3. Note the SPECIALS.

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2009 FXDFSE DYNA FAT BOB: 2,000
Black Diamond/Fire Quartz: 965
DOM 604
CAL 64
[USA 668]
AUS 34
CAN 56
ENG 71
HDI 136
JPN 00
[INT'L 297]
Denim Granite/Electric Blue Fade: 512
DOM 332
CAL 21
[USA 353]
AUS 14
CAN 25
ENG 31
HDI 89
JPN 00
[INT'L 159]
Sunrise Yellow Pearl/Platinum Quartz: 342
DOM 244
CAL 12
[USA 256]
AUS 08
CAN 19
ENG 28
HDI 31
JPN 00
[INT'L 86]
Electric Orange/Slate Black: 179
DOM 123
CAL 04
[USA 127]
AUS 00
CAN 10
ENG 00
HDI 42
JPN 00
[INT'L 52]
(SPECIAL 02)

2009 FXSTSSE3 SOFTAIL SPRINGER: 2,172
Black Diamond/Emerald Ice Flames: 995
DOM 693
CAL 52
[USA 745]
AUS 22
CAN 23
ENG 37
HDI 168
JPN 00
[INT'L 250]
Candy Cobalt/Blue Steel Flames: 762
DOM 507
CAL 43
[USA 550]
AUS 05
CAN 18
ENG 45
HDI 144
JPN 00
[INT'L 212]
Sunrise Yellow Pearl/Volcanic Fury Flames: 410
DOM 281
CAL 34
[USA 315]
AUS 03
CAN 10
ENG 18
HDI 64
JPN 00
[INT'L 95]
(SPECIAL 05)

2009 FLTRSE3 ROAD GLIDE: 3,521
Electric Orange/Vivid Black: 1,605
DOM 1,168
CAL 74
[USA 1,242]
AUS 00
CAN 127
ENG 00
HDI 185
JPN 51
[INT'L 363]
Stardust Silver/Titanium Dust: 1,386
DOM 1,014
CAL 111
[USA 1,125]
AUS 00
CAN 65
ENG 00
HDI 154
JPN 42
[INT'L 261]
Yellow Pearl/Charcoal Slate: 517
DOM 339
CAL 30
[USA 369]
AUS 00
CAN 34
ENG 00
HDI 88
JPN 26
[INT'L 148]
(SPECIAL 13)

2009 FLHTCUSE4 ELECTRA GLIDE ULTRA: 2,895
Ruby Red/Typhoon Maroon: 1,155
DOM 667
CAL 64
[USA 731]
AUS 05
CAN 162
ENG 23
HDI 156
JPN 78
[INT'L 424]
Stardust Silver/Twilight Blue: 1,105
DOM 597
CAL 74
[USA 671]
AUS 06
CAN 89
ENG 24
HDI 231
JPN 84
[INT'L 434]
Autumn Haze/High Octane Orange: 622
DOM 351
CAL 18
[USA 369]
AUS 04
CAN 85
ENG 07
HDI 118
JPN 39
[INT'L 253]
(SPECIAL 13)

2010 FXDFSE2 DYNA FAT BOB: 419
Cryptic Black/Hellfire Flames: 242
DOM 146
CAL 10
[USA 156]
AUS 00
CAN 05
ENG 13
HDI 39
JPN 29
[INT'L 86]
Satin Pewter Denim/Sandstone Grind: 116
DOM 65
CAL 05
[USA 70]
AUS 00
CAN 01
ENG 01
HDI 03
JPN 41
[INT'L 46]
Opal Blue/Hellfire Flames: 57
DOM 14
CAL 02
[USA 16]
AUS 00
CAN 03
ENG 01
HDI 07
JPN 30
[INT'L 41]
(SPECIAL 04)

2010 FLSTSE SOFTAIL CONVERTIBLE: 1,933
Inferno Orange/Vivid Black: 829
DOM 567
CAL 40
[USA 607]
AUS 00
CAN 48
ENG 29
HDI 145
JPN 00
[INT'L 222]
Crimson Red Sunglo/Autumn Haze: 589
DOM 431
CAL 35
[USA 466]
AUS 00
CAN 27
ENG 08
HDI 88
JPN 00
[INT'L 123]
Abyss Blue/Sapphire: 503
DOM 347
CAL 29
[USA 376]
AUS 00
CAN 24
ENG 20
HDI 83
JPN 00
[INT'L 127]
(SPECIAL 12)

2010 FLHXSE STREET GLIDE: 3,448
Spiced Rum/Gold Leaf: 1,652
DOM 1,085
CAL 89
[USA 1,174]
AUS 00
CAN 92
ENG 42
HDI 228
JPN 116
[INT'L 478]
Candy Concord/Pale Gold Leaf: 1,038
DOM 722
CAL 88
[USA 810]
AUS 00
CAN 36
ENG 15
HDI 127
JPN 50
[INT'L 228]
Tequila Sunrise/Pale Gold Leaf: 744
DOM 553
CAL 49
[USA 602]
AUS 00
CAN 21
ENG 12
HDI 76
JPN 33
[INT'L 142]
(SPECIAL 14)

2010 FLHTCUSE5 ELECTRA GLIDE ULTRA: 2,122
Burnt Amber/Hot Citrus: 794
DOM 600
CAL 52
[USA 652]
AUS 00
CAN 31
ENG 06
HDI 51
JPN 54
[INT'L 142]
Scarlet Red Pearl/Dark Slate: 747
DOM 479
CAL 40
[USA 519]
AUS 00
CAN 37
ENG 13
HDI 58
JPN 120
[INT'L 228]
Riptide Blue/Titanium Dust: 569
DOM 367
CAL 39
[USA 406]
AUS 00
CAN 22
ENG 09
HDI 46
JPN 86
[INT'L 163]
(SPECIAL 12)

2010.5 FLHTCUSE5.5 ELECTRA GLIDE ULTRA: 992
Crimson Mist Black/Dark Slate: 992
DOM 624
CAL 57
[USA 681]
AUS 00
CAN 61
ENG 10
HDI 206
JPN 34
[INT'L 311]

WYD OPN · « **Reply #52 on:** December 12, 2012, 03:22:18 PM »

The other International breakdowns are on the CVO Numbers thread. Page 9, I believe.

Here's a link: http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=64681.120

JONNIEROCK · « **Reply #53 on:** December 12, 2012, 03:24:33 PM »

I too would like to thank you guys for all the information. I also posted the production numbers for the 2012 FLTRXSE. Instead of a thanks all I got for my trouble was questions about how I got the numbers, blah blah blah. All you have to is call Harley Davidson when they have the production number collected, and they will gladly give you the info, over the phone or by email. Listening to some on here has taken away from being on here in the first place. If everything here is BS, why should a person log on to read ? You can certainly question some of the stuff print on here, and you should, but when a brother posts something that he said he got from HD, I have to believe him, as opposed to something someone says he thinks should be
Jonnierock

WYD OPN · « **Reply #54 on:** December 12, 2012, 03:32:33 PM »

Quote from: JONNIEROCK on December 12, 2012, 03:24:33 PM

I too would like to thank you guys for all the information. I also posted the production numbers for the 2012 FLTRXSE. Instead of a thanks all I got for my trouble was questions about how I got the numbers, blah blah blah. All you have to is call Harley Davidson when they have the production number collected, and they will gladly give you the info, over the phone or by email. Listening to some on here has taken away from being on here in the first place. If everything here is BS, why should a person log on to read ? You can certainly question some of the stuff print on here, and you should, but when a brother posts something that he said he got from HD, I have to believe him, as opposed to something someone says he thinks should be
Jonnierock

Yep. And here are those numbers for the FLTRXSE. Are there any discrepancies from the numbers you were given? And did you get the entire International breakdown?

2012 FLTRXSE ROAD GLIDE CUSTOM: 2,643
White Gold Pearl/Starfire Black w/Real Smoke Graphics: 1,238
DOM 795
CAL 75
[US 870]
APC 00
AUS 00
BRZ 00
CAN 49
ENG 03
HDI 231
IND 00
JPN 85
[INT'L 368]
Maple Metallic/Vivid Black w/Real Smoke Graphics: 799
DOM 552
CAL 69
[US 621]
APC 00
AUS 00
BRZ 00
CAN 49
ENG 04
HDI 78
IND 00
JPN 47
[INT'L 178]
Candy Cobalt/Twilight Blue w/Real Smoke Graphics: 602
DOM 416
CAL 35
[US 451]
APC 00
AUS 00
BRZ 00
CAN 37
ENG 04
HDI 50
IND 00
JPN 60
[INT'L 151]
(SPECIAL 04)

JONNIEROCK · « **Reply #55 on:** December 12, 2012, 04:16:03 PM »

The numbers you got are spot on. I got the exact same numbers. I only got the total and int'l numbers. Thanks again for the break down of the numbers to all the countries.
Thanks again Jonnierock

WYD OPN · « **Reply #56 on:** December 12, 2012, 04:27:18 PM »

Quote from: 110tHunDer on December 12, 2012, 02:04:12 PM

You're taking my comments much too literally and so it seems you may be missing my point.

Okay. I think YOU are missing the point. The bulk and detail of the data takes it well out of the range of anything you've referred to.

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No, it didn't happen with production volumes posted to this level of detail before.

...which is the whole point. This level of info is impossible to fabricate or falsify, especially since all the lesser info on this site corresponds to the bulk numbers except the noted discrepancies are accounted for.

It IS an issue of my credibility, and unnecessarily so just by the sheer volume of the exhaustive data.

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Anyway, thanks again for the information. I'll be moving along now ...

Okay. Thanks.

WYD OPN · « **Reply #57 on:** December 12, 2012, 04:45:18 PM »

Quote from: JONNIEROCK on December 12, 2012, 04:16:03 PM

The numbers you got are spot on. I got the exact same numbers. I only got the total and int'l numbers. Thanks again for the break down of the numbers to all the countries.
Thanks again Jonnierock

Amazingly, your confirmation and the mountain of data and copied H-D e-mails I've provided still won't prevent some from saying "nuh-uh".

All this is mostly because of one idiot H-D employee with access to company stationery and a compulsion for incompetence in providing data.

Hx2 · « **Reply #58 on:** December 12, 2012, 05:16:05 PM »

Greatly appreciate your efforts WYD OPEN. Thanks for doing this!

Aussie · « **Reply #59 on:** December 12, 2012, 06:06:48 PM »

Quote from: Hx2 on December 12, 2012, 05:16:05 PM

Greatly appreciate your efforts WYD OPEN. Thanks for doing this!

+1 Great job WYD OPEN.
Don't care for what anyone else has to say, it takes commitment to put all the time and effort into helping others.
Keep up the good work

And only 9 Hot Citrus FLHXSE3's in Australia. Woo Hoo

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