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[CVO Aqua-Glider]

        You might get 35K if there wasn't a problem with it. If the Twin Cooled motors continue to have problems you would be lucky to get 25K
               Jonnierock

Exactly why I am now thinking of cutting my losses now and selling.  Love the bike, but not if it turns out to be a lemon.

[JONNIEROCK]

I sometimes wonder why some people buy Harley's -  if they hate them so much? is it to look cool?  just wondering why anyone would buy something they bash, including the union workers. I am happy that Harley is built by Union employees here in America and happy it has American steel made my union workers. I am also happy to see older Harley riders enjoying their preferred ride and lifestyle... I only wish all the parts were sourced within America.

This reply is not meant to put anyone down, just questioning all the negativity. I truly enjoy riding and owning Harley Davidson motorcycles and respect the workers that build them. The reason Harley went with water cooled heads and air cooled barrels is because it works; ask BMW. The VRod has not sold well at all, why would they go with a design that most riders reject? even if it puts out lots of HP and is a great motor. It has not sold well in the marketplace.

   And once again someone makes a statement like this to justified his reason for buying a Harley . Most of us, at least me really don't have to justify my reason for owning one, I really enjoy my scooter, I just don't like problems. I really do appreciate the honesty of fellow riders about there problems about their rides. I really how anyone could confuse real life problems for negativity.
              Jonnierock

[iski]

My problems with my 07 did not really materialize until I had 20k on it.  Had done a coast to coast ride & quite a few very long trips prior to it breaking down on more trips than not.

Will be very interested to read reports on these 14 water heads when they have 20-30k or more on them.  If most reports are good then great, glad for it & sure it will influence my opinion as to future purchase.  If the MoCo does the right thing, which they eventually did on the 07 110's for the problems that do arise (law of averges says there will be some) that goes even further.

Not related but a friend's new 13 Ultra Limited blew out a clutch when he had 3k on it & the bike was about a month old.  Local dealer here stepped up to pay for the fix, but when he was in Milwaukee with the breakown he was told clutch is a non waranty  there. That carries a lt of influence for me also - negative.

[Skipper]

   And once again someone makes a statement like this to justified his reason for buying a Harley . Most of us, at least me really don't have to justify my reason for owning one, I really enjoy my scooter, I just don't like problems. I really do appreciate the honesty of fellow riders about there problems about their rides. I really how anyone could confuse real life problems for negativity.
              Jonnierock

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Especially for us European CVO owners, as we don't have as much HD expert. Most of us have to believe what Dealer said. Mine is pissed of any time I tell him " but, on CVOharley they said ....". Recently, he told me that " MOCO said not to trust CVOharley". I told him " finaly! Now you have a new statement, because the old one "They all do that" I can't listen any more" . So, guys keep up a good work. Without you we will be left in the darkness.
Respect!

Skipper

[CVOJOE]

Not the MOCO's first shot a water cooled engine, even before they farmed out the final V-Rod designs to Porsche R&D they had the infamous "Nova" water cooled V-4 product into at least a pre-production mode. Porsche was also involved in that, but apparently they were not involved in the RUSHED-MORE project. Old article here about this project:
http://www.bikerenews.com/AntiqueBikes/CodeNameNova.htm

[grc]

Manually activating the fans at every stop .... Does this mean you also have to manually deactivate them, too?  What a PITA.

I'm pretty sure Brian that someone is confused when they say they manually turn the fans on and off.  That might be true with folks using aftermarket fans like the Wards units that blow air on the heads, or even the fans they can buy to blow air through the oil coolers, but unless the folks at Harley are even more incompetent than I believe they are no one would design a liquid cooling system with manual switches to turn the fans on and off.  Let's see, I think I'll turn my radiator fans off and let the system overheat and fail, then expect Harley to fix it under warranty.  Even Harley isn't that stupid (but close).

As best I can tell from the literature I've seen, the fans are fully automatic and are controlled by the ECM based on coolant temperature sensor input and road speed input.  I'm still waiting for someone to post showing either documentation for a manual operating mode or a picture of this manual switch on their bike.  Anyone care to enlighten me?

Jerry

[CVO Aqua-Glider]

I'm pretty sure Brian that someone is confused when they say they manually turn the fans on and off.  That might be true with folks using aftermarket fans like the Wards units that blow air on the heads, or even the fans they can buy to blow air through the oil coolers, but unless the folks at Harley are even more incompetent than I believe they are no one would design a liquid cooling system with manual switches to turn the fans on and off.  Let's see, I think I'll turn my radiator fans off and let the system overheat and fail, then expect Harley to fix it under warranty.  Even Harley isn't that stupid (but close).

As best I can tell from the literature I've seen, the fans are fully automatic and are controlled by the ECM based on coolant temperature sensor input and road speed input.  I'm still waiting for someone to post showing either documentation for a manual operating mode or a picture of this manual switch on their bike.  Anyone care to enlighten me?

Jerry

True, and you can manually activate them. Don't know the whole process, but it involves having the ignition on and rolling the throttle to its half way point.

[Windix60]

True, and you can manually activate them. Don't know the whole process, but it involves having the ignition on and rolling the throttle to its half way point.

To manually turn the fans on shut the bike off. Roll throttle to half way turn the run switch on and hold half throttle till the fans runs. The fans will stay running until you shut the run button to the off position.

[grc]

To manually turn the fans on shut the bike off. Roll throttle to half way turn the run switch on and hold half throttle till the fans runs. The fans will stay running until you shut the run button to the off position.

Thank you for the enlightenment.  Now I just need to figure out why Harley would incorporate such a thing.  If the system is designed properly you shouldn't need anything but the automatic operation.  I could see possibly setting up a routine to easily test the fans, but there is no way it makes sense to actually do this as a normal routine.

Jerry

[Opossum]

Well I'll be go to Hell!  Didn't believe a word of that nonsense, went back thru EVERY page of the owners manual and nothing anywhere re this, went to the garage, bike stone cold, and sure as heck worked just as described!  How'd you guys figger that one out for cryin out loud??  Any other tricks not in print to pass along?

[110tHunDer]

Thank you for the enlightenment.  Now I just need to figure out why Harley would incorporate such a thing.  If the system is designed properly you shouldn't need anything but the automatic operation.  I could see possibly setting up a routine to easily test the fans, but there is no way it makes sense to actually do this as a normal routine.

Jerry

Exactly!  Jerry, please do not try to figure out why Harley would do this.  You will make yourself nuts in the end and that wouldn't be good.  Being out of your mind is the only way this could seem like a good thing.

[FLHTCUSE7]

 what is the use of running the fans?

It is not going to cool the engine (heads) if the water pump is not on.

[Windix60]

Well I'll be go to Hell!  Didn't believe a word of that nonsense, went back thru EVERY page of the owners manual and nothing anywhere re this, went to the garage, bike stone cold, and sure as heck worked just as described!  How'd you guys figger that one out for cryin out loud??  Any other tricks not in print to pass along?

My salesman showed me that feature. He said if you have been in a parade or heavy use and When you get off the bike run it for a few minutes while your putting your gear away. I don't know why you would do that either it should do it automatically. I have had the bike for a month and only one time did my fans run for about a minute after I shut the bike off.

I did not ask him if the water pump ran when the fans were on after you shut the engine down. The fans might run just to keep drawing air over the radiator fins to cool most of the water that is in the radiators to keep them from puking coolant. I imagine there is 70% coolant in the radiators(I am guessing that ratio) and the rest in the lines that would draw quite abit of cool air through the radiators.

[scottt]

I'm not so sure you should say "my dealer made the repair and all is good."  Since you always manually engage the cooling fan when you turn off the bike, isn't that maybe the fix?  My fan used to come on a lot for 10 to 15 seconds after I stopped. Yesterday when mine puked for the first time, I noticed the fan didn't kick on at all.  I guess my thought is if I had engaged the fan manually like you do, would mine have puked for the first time???

I don't manually engage the cooling fans when turning off the bike. Everything is working as designed. The fans never came on today and the bike never leaked....Just returned from a heavenly ride. Low 80's in Northern California, took the bike into the foothills and back, riding up and down the curves I was reminded why I like this bike so much, she glides like a bird, when you hit rough patches on the pavement the new front end takes it without a complaint. So much control and if I may say grace.

Scott

[scottt]

A lot of negative stuff going on here! Vast majority of negative comments come from people that don't own a 2014. Have some of them, including mine had a problem...yes...was mine taken care of right away without further issues..yes. I have said it before and will again. Best new Harley I have owned and I have owned 11 (my wife says 12) new Harleys in my life. Everything and I mean everything about this machine is miles ahead of my old 2007 CVO. I never had the issues with my 2007 that everyone talks about either. I guess I'm not that hard on the bikes or lucky?

I would hate to see someone trade-in a 2014 CVO they liked just because they fear what some write-up on this forum. Not saying that the bikes are perfect, they are just so much better than anything I have ridden. If a owner has a issue they need to take it to a good dealer and let them know that they don't want it back until its fixed. They kept my bike for a week and a half making sure everything they fixed worked perfect. I do agree that this should not have happened, but it did to SOME and I really believe the problem is more related to the fact that the tech's are not familiar enough and start trying things vs. right to the problem part. In my case they replaced the vast majority of the cooling system parts before they felt it was fixed, all I care about is that  it is fixed and I am so darn happy that I purchased the bike.

I see no indications that these will be problem bikes, none. My selling dealer can't keep the twin cooled models in stock, they have pre-sold thru their currant allocation. All it takes is a test ride and most are sold. The biggest issue many of the dealers are having is selling the trade-ins. They are stacking up. By the way; If I had owned a 2009 thru 2013 I seriously doubt I would have bought my bike, those are also great bikes, I don't think the ride and handling would be that different than the 2014. , the market for the 2009 and newer will continue to be good, its the 2008 and below that have been hurt the most. Please don't take this as a "blast" on anyone's parade, just wanted folks to know just how much I love the 2014's and that is coming from someone that has ridden a ton of miles and owned a lot of bikes.

Scott