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[Mjk039]

New cvo breakout owner. Want to get some more out of engine. Dealer wants to install stage 3 racing kit on engine. Not sure what options are out there. Any suggestion would be appreciated.

[JoeVibe]

Welcome to the site Mjk. You should go to the new member section and introduce yourself.

From what I've learned since I've been here, some of the best engine builders in the country frequent this site, and the members here are extremely helpful and terrific at sharing their knowledge. Doing research here will give you tons of options and info. Where are you located?

Joe

[Mjk039]

Located in pittsburgh PA.

[deldago]

Welcome to the site, I am about 60 miles away near Wheeling W.V. Enjoy your new ride for a while and read up on here about upgrades. If you plan on keeping your warranty talk to your dealer and make sure he is willing to stand behind any modifications as Harley will use any changes from stock to void it. A stage one is about as far as you can go and still switch it back to stock easily, any more than an exhaust and tuner is pretty tough to switch back to stock for warranty issues. There are also some mods that will lengthen the life of the motor substantially. Spend some time reading on here and you will get a good idea what you want to accomplish. Hold on to your wallet, this place is worse than Club Erotica!

[Mjk039]

I hear that on the wallet. I already talked to the dealer and they said as long as I go with the harley kit I'm good on the warranty. I'm thinking if I wander away from the kit I'm going to have problems with warranty. The thing that bothers me about all this is all the local dealers all want to do the kit but when pressed about what heads I have on the engine all I seem to get is the standard answer. Screaming eagle heads. But when u look in the screaming eagle catalog that they so graciously include with the bike purchase, there are several different heads u can purchase for the engine. Kinda don't have any confidence in any of the harley dealers around here as far as knowing how to really get horsepower out of the engine other then what the catalog tells them.

[Zee110]

New cvo breakout owner. Want to get some more out of engine. Dealer wants to install stage 3 racing kit on engine. Not sure what options are out there. Any suggestion would be appreciated.
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S&S 124

[Zee110]

And welcome to the site Mjk039 These guys on this site will be very helpfull

[Yellow09SERG]

One thing to keep in mind about the warranty and the kit, yes some dealers will install the kit and claim it is under warranty, but basically that dealership is who will own the motor. If it lays down out on the road no one else is going to touch it and you are tying yourself to the dealer that installed the kit for the duration of that warranty. There is a dealer here who will build with any HD kit you choose but that is the only dealer who can touch that bike for it to stay in warranty.

A lot comes down to what you really want the bike to do and how you ride it. Are you after HP or torque?

Welcome to the site and good luck.

[JoeVibe]

I hear that on the wallet. I already talked to the dealer and they said as long as I go with the harley kit I'm good on the warranty. I'm thinking if I wander away from the kit I'm going to have problems with warranty. The thing that bothers me about all this is all the local dealers all want to do the kit but when pressed about what heads I have on the engine all I seem to get is the standard answer. Screaming eagle heads. But when u look in the screaming eagle catalog that they so graciously include with the bike purchase, there are several different heads u can purchase for the engine. Kinda don't have any confidence in any of the harley dealers around here as far as knowing how to really get horsepower out of the engine other then what the catalog tells them.

I you do decide to do some motor work, from my experience, the most important component of getting power from your bike is finding a good dyno tuner! A lot depends on what you want the final results to be too, for example I was looking for cruising power and wasn't really interested in building a drag bike. I did a TON of research before I had my bike worked on and ended up taking it 750 miles from home to get it done by someone I felt confident in. I really like my local dealership, and felt kinda bad not giving them my business, but I didn't have any faith that they could tune the bike properly after adding the parts. Talk to others that have used your dealers tuner. When I did, I found that guys that knew about motor performance were very unhappy with their results and ended up going elsewhere to get their tune straightened out and those that didn't know, just didn't know.

The right guy can really wake up your motor but do your research because it can get expensive! I spent over a year researching before I did anything. It gave me time to save my money too!

If warranty is a concern, you should leave it alone for a while and just ride it. If you read  here you'll find stories about folks getting denied warranty repairs because of modifications they had done. Like Yellow09SERG said, if your dealer does the mods and stands behind them, he will probably be the only dealership that will. If you're planning on traveling you'll be on your own if you break down on the road.

Joe

[Mjk039]

Well that's a little different then what dealer said. I was led to believe that as long as I put harley parts on engine the engine would keep its warranty. I'm looking for something that gets up and goes. And yes I'm sure a s&s 124 would do that but then I would of been better off buying a cheep bike and doing that. I want to keep the harley engine but do what I can with that engine. I have a 103 cvo bike also. I want to make this bike run like a raped ape.

[Twolanerider]

Well that's a little different then what dealer said. I was led to believe...

It honestly doesn't matter what the dealer says.  It's the manufacturer's warranty, not the dealer's. 

Granted, the dealer is an Agent for the mftr and you can make an argument under the premise of the Law of Agency or Agency Law that because their Agent told you this the mftr is bound by that promise.  But you can't prove the dealer said it.  And they sure as hell won't write it down.

This isn't a place to be lazy or trusting.  Just grab the Screamin' Eagle catalog and the P&A book.  If any one part you're using is listed "For Race Use Only" the mftr can void the warranty.  And, anymore, often does.  You're only hope is the dealer doesn't accurately report the failure to avoid warranty questions with Mother Harley.  This begs the question; really, what dealer do you trust to lie to the mftr in order to get paid a little less on a warranty claim when it could blame the mftr for the warranty denial and make more money in the process by turning the failure in to a cash job?

Just for examples:  Here's a page from the cam section of the 2012 SE catalog.

[fastfreddy]

welcome, there are better options than HD kits and as said there are engine builders & then there are parts installers. choose wisely 

[Dietea]

Welcome to CVO world.

What is coming to engine modifications first you have to know what kind of engine you want. Low, mid TQ or max HP? All this is not available in same package or engine. Then your personal needs, what is your riding style. When you have answers these questions you can start to look engine modifications. Ask several places and compare solutions.

[Mjk039]

 I'm leaning towards finding an engine builder and bagging the harley kits. Someone posted about parts changer. That's exactly what impression I'm getting from all the dealers around here. My options are what's in the catalog and that's it. What ever kit form I choose they will stick it in there. Not what I'm looking for. I have experience with race car engines. I understand them. The basic principals for the 110 engine isn't different to that. What bothers me about dealers is that when I ask the standard questions when I'm getting a engine built for a car, the bike dealer look at me as I'm an alien. Porting heads, compression,cam lift and duration are foreign words to them. I want to make this bike scream. I have another cvo bike to cruise around. I want to make this one a toy that I can get on and go have a blast with for a couple hrs. My line of work doesn't allow me a lot of fun time so the time I get I want to enjoy. I want a bike that scares me when I twist the throttle.

[Juopperi]

Mjk,
     Gotta say in the same boat, recently purchased a CVO breakout, but added the SE3 package out the box.  Looking for fun toy when ridden.  Always wanted a HD, was running 1600 Vulcan.  I must say first ride with wife on back not impressive.  Still in break-in phase, hoping to be impressed.  The dealer gave me the same impression, parts changer.  I'm not sure the different responses from TQ vs HP, looking forward to where this goes.  Warranty info depressing, guess I'm married to dealer for life of warranty.