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[spydglide]

your deductive logic is good w/ me.  Is it too early in the day for the 1st beer?    har!  spyder

[iski]

your deductive logic is good w/ me.  Is it too early in the day for the 1st beer?    har!  spyder

Made no sense to me - surprised glad anybody could understand it.

I figure our 110's are running warm (I mean 110 Engine Climate Change) because of their carbon footprint plus we have not bought the carbon energy credits that would make them run cooler.  Like Global Warming, just HD engine specific.

In Islamabad, it is after 8 pm.  Well after beer thirty there.   

But I'm pretending to be at work.

[miker]

your deductive logic is good w/ me.  Is it too early in the day for the 1st beer?    har!  spyder

You cain't drink all day unless you start first thing in the mornin!   

[HUBBARD]

June 20, 1863--Mineable, Marketable Coal in WV--53,000,000,000 Tons.
December 31, 2004--Mineable, Marketable Coal in WV--40,000,000,000 Tons.

Coal is the most plentiful, most economical, resource for producing Electricity and Steel, on the Planet.  WV Coal produces 99% of the Electricity in WV, and 50% of the Electricity in the Nation, (Steam Coal.)  We pay .05 cents per KWH here.  And now with the flooding of Mines in Australia, (Wall Street Journal), Mining Giant BHP Billiton can't fill its Contact obligations to the Steel Mills. Metalurgical Coal Production will increase substancially, here in The Mountain State.  That's good.  We'll sell more Trucks and Big Equipment!  Hell, we'll get to RACE another Year!   

As for Global Warming?  Bull chit!  Just like the ethanol Bull chit.  Nothing more than Moonshine liquor, with ethyl alcohol in it, to prevent people from drinkin' it.  That will do nothing but run corn prices through the roof.  Good for the Farmers, and they deserve it, but bad for us.  Add to that, the fact it takes 1 gallon of oil, to produce 1.3 gallons of ethanol.  That makes a lot of sense.  Really conserving energy there.  Don't hear the environmentalist wackos broadcasting that info, huh?  Later--HUBBARD             

[miker]

Plus check out what these buggers are up to in the Great White North.
Dubbya could tell his Uncle Saud to kiss off!


http://www.petrobank.com/hea-thaitechnology.html

[Special_Ed]

Not that I want to throw fuel on the flames but this e-mail was sent to me and seeing that it seems to be on topic. I'd like to see the feed back on the following info. I'll go on record as saying that I don't completely believe all of the "Global warming warnings" but I do believe conservation and alternative fuels are the only way we're going to keep the planet clean enough to live on in the future. We, IMHO, are way too wasteful and although we've made strides to get things cleaner, cars, trucks, packaging and such. There is a long way to go. The opinions given below are not mine but I can pass on the authors e-mail address if you like to comment directly to him.  This will be posted in three parts as it exceeds the 6K limit.

Ed



"Global warming is a hoax. In fact it may well be the GREATEST HOAX of all time. By "global warming" I mean the claims of impending drastic climate change leading to floods, droughts, violent weather and all manner of man made calamities requiring "action" (we need to do something before it's too late to act) now. The science does not support the message of calamity from the fear mongers.

 

 In one e-mail I don't hope to change anyone's mind... just maybe plant a seed.

Most people I talk to about global warming are unsure of their position on the issue. "It's a complicated topic." "I'm not sure, what if it is happening?" "Even if we're not sure we should try to do something before it's too late to act." Valid positions based on the onslaught of doom and gloom from Hollywood and the mainstream media. If you read something in this e-mail that gets your attention but want more evidence/science/proof/links, etc. please contact me. I have tons of references to send you. Much more than can be provided in one obscenely long e-mail.

 

I've been studying the global warming issue for about eleven years. In 1995 or 1996 I  heard Dr. Richard Lindzen (Alfred P. Sloan Meteorologist from MIT) debunk global warming at Worcester State College. He specifically criticized the second report from the IPCC (the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change). I've now become strongly convinced of the bad science behind the warming movement to the point where I take this public position (this e-mail is being sent to lots of poeple).

 

It is a very complicated subject. There are many scientific studies and papers to wade through. It's taken me years. I can offer you 2 shortcuts to explore if you are interested. Easiest and most fun - read Michael Crighton's STATE OF FEAR. It's a fast paced thriller by a well respected author who took years to research the subject. It is abundantly foot noted. His Author's Message at the end of the book details practical ways to clean up the scientific process that has been so politicized. Don't hold your breath for implementation of these ideas - the pols would rather have the issue to drive tax revenue than any semblance of scientific sanity on the issue.

 

Second shortcut, less fun, but well researched in a single volume, read THE POLITICALLY INCORRECT GUIDE TO GLOBAL WARMING by Christopher Horner. Excellent resource book. There are bunches more resources out there, both books, scientific studies and Internet sites. Happy to point you to these if interested.

 

Want to wade through the scientific studies? Visit http://icecap/us/ . There are dozens of other sites I can direct you to if interested. This stuff is not hard to find. Is the planet warming? Yes. About 1/2 degree in the past century. Actually, a little global warming may be a good thing. No kidding. Look at this point of view in the scientific literature. Google "global warming good". Here's a link http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,854050,00.html .

 

Most of you with marginal interest in the global warming issue can zone out now. What follows is a short compilation of reasons and evidence (and 2 predictions) why I and many meteorologists believe the global warming hysteria is a big time hoax. By the way, if you're a global warming proponent and have scientific studies or other stuff backing your position I'd love to see it. Now that's hard stuff to find! Most studies supporting  the global warming crisis have been proven by peer reviews to have lots of mistakes or be just bad science.

 

[Special_Ed]

Part 2 of 3



Reason 1. Most people are not aware that climate change is the norm on earth and that wide fluctuations in what we call climate have taken place for eons, long before man and his industrial revolution had any significant impact on the planet. Witness the several ice ages (Cape Cod and Long Island are terminal moraines. Look it up). Greenland where the "warmers" fret the glaciers are retreating was almost ice free for centuries. Not millions of years ago. About a thousand years ago. Greenland was farmed extensively for three hundred years during the medieval warming period http://www2.sunysuffolk.edu/mandias/lia/vikings_during_mwp.html .

 

Reason 2. Follow the money. Al Gore has made 25 million and counting from An Inconvenient Truth (which is riddled with untruths http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7037671.stm ). Scientists have tremendous pressure on them to find climate "issues" or face end of funding. See Michael Crichton's suggestions to end this pressure in Author's Notes at the end of STATE OF FEAR. Pols won't let this scientific sanity happen. They want the issue to clobber us with tax increases (carbon credits, carbon offsets, etc.) to "solve" the crisis.

 

Reason 3. Study the science. This is a difficult thing to do. It can be done by anyone of average intelligence. There is no "scientific consensus" for the global warming crisis. Scientists who see flawed studies and studies that don't support global warming as a looming crisis are cowed into silence by the "warmers" who will try to destroy opponents and deny them of employment. There have been several brave scientists who have lost employment for not towing the line. This evidence of intimidation is not hard to find either. If you want to delve into the IPCC reports beware. There are two components of the IPCC: the scientists and the "policy makers". The policy makers are a highly politicized group. Scientists have been pressured to make statements by the policy makers that they were not comfortable making. Policy statements in the IPCC reports care contradicted by the science. This is a big area of my study over the years. I can give you references, reports and interviews if you want to delve into this area.

 

Reason 4. The scientific models supporting the global warming crisis are terribly flawed. The greatest "greenhouse effect" factor known to man is water vapor. Water vapor is a greater element in the atmosphere than carbon dioxide or other global warming gasses by a factor off the chart. Water vapor accounts for 95% of the earth's greenhouse effect! http://mysite.verizon.net/mhieb/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html  Interesting. The largest global warming gas is water vapor by a huge margin. Yet, no global warming model takes water vapor into account! Why? Because we can't. Water vapor in the atmosphere is too complex and dynamic for man to begin to model. We are blind here. Yet we want to predict climate change based on the much smaller contributions of carbon dioxide and other gasses. Note to carbon dioxide gas crisis mongers: the science shows carbon dioxide build up follows and does not precede climate temperature increases. Interesting if true. It is true.

 

[Special_Ed]

Part 3

Prediction 1: The poor will be the most harmed by the coming global warming "solutions" offered by the shameless pols. The silly pursuit of ethanol as a way to get off petroleum has caused corn prices to double. Not a big deal? What if you're a third world resident whose diet is primarily corn based (Mexico, central and south America)? Another reason to hate the ugly Americans who drive up corn prices to satisfy their selfish desire to drive as much as they want in their gas guzzling vehicles.

Carbon regulations and taxes will dramatically raise energy costs (home heating fuels, gasoline, transportation costs, etc.) which are going to affect the poor the most. Way to go pols. But there will be lots of new tax revenue to fund new "programs" which are the heroin of the politicians.

 

Prediction 2: There is no will in the people of Europe or America to resist the onslaught of coming government "solutions" (taxes) for global warming to be foisted on us by the pols. Dissenters will be defamed as ignorant, not caring for the planet, the children, the environment, the future, blah blah blah. There will be few if any pols willing to stand up. The warmers have so muddied the issue that dissent is equal to ignorance or worse. Your taxes (carbon and otherwise) will go up. Industries will be taxed mercilessly for carbon dioxide output. Businesses always pass their new costs on to consumers, so who will pay for the "sins" of the corporate polluters? A lot of money will be extracted from your wallet and no "solution" will be implemented. That is no solution except higher prices and the never ending mantra to conserve and do with less. Alter your lifestyle. Lower your carbon footprint. The pols and elites will dish this medicine but they won't take it themselves. They won't alter their lifestyles. That's for us, the great unwashed ignorants to accomplish.

 

OK. So you may want to know why I think the "warmers" are pushing the crisis agenda. It's really frighteningly simple. The pols want the issue to grandstand and attract voters and to ultimately raise funds for more "programs" to ingratiate themselves to the voters. The scientists are motivated by grants and further funding to come up with climate results that are questionable at best but ideally leaning towards "problems" that require more study. As noted twice above, there are fixes available to get objective scientific studies. Won't happen. Guilt is what drives a lot of elites. They feel guilty for the vast resources they squander in their daily lives (huge houses, private jets, etc.). If they rail about the coming climatic crisis surely no one will criticize them for their lavish lifestyles. Then there are the millions of concerned citizens (maybe you) who don't want to harm the planet and pass a problem on to their children. Very noble and understandable given the constant drum beat we are exposed to about the warming crisis. Some of the warmers are useful idiots. By that I mean they have their hearts in the right place - concern for the planet/environment - yet they are uninformed as to the science and yet are driven to cry out the alarm of impending doom. They will preach to you and tell you there is no longer any debate about the warming crisis or need to implement drastic changes. If you disagree you are stupid, uninformed, uncaring. Name calling and righteousness is big with this group. I'm sick of being lectured to. I care about the environment. I'm probably one of the "greenest" people you could meet. I literally hug trees (very limited number of species, ask me about this). I don't need to be told I don't care about the planet or the environment. Lectures are especially not needed from arrogant self righteous "experts" who say the time for discussion and debate is over and if we don't act NOW we're immoral.

 

Why did I send you this monstrously long e-mail? Not to change your mind about global warming (though if 1 mind was changed I'd be flattered). But to hopefully open 1 or 2 minds to the possibility that what politicians and the main stream media are telling you about global warming may be very different from what the science on the subject reveals. I'd like you to have a suspicion as to the motives and desired outcomes of people pushing the warming crisis message. That's all. It's not enough "to care". Global warming as a crisis issue is setting up to hurt a lot of poor people throughout the developed and undeveloped world. That's it.

Love to hear from you about this or anything that's going on in your world.

Best regards,
Mike P."

[Keats]

very well put!

I agree with most of what you put forth.......

Bravo

[Twolanerider]

I only have one real question about global warming.  Is it good for my prostate ?

[Special_Ed]

I only have one real question about global warming.  Is it good for my prostate ?

I know it wasn't good for mine.

[Screamin]

I only have one real question about global warming.  Is it good for my prostate ?

Not sure about the global warming thing but I tell the wife every night that regular use is critical for a healthy prostrate.

I think she wants me dead 

[Twolanerider]

I know it wasn't good for mine.

I know something wasn't good for mine.  I just don't remember standing in the yard bare assed bent over pointing it at the sun for hours or days on end .

[Twolanerider]

Not sure about the global warming thing but I tell the wife every night that regular use is critical for a healthy prostrate.

I think she wants me dead 

Damn, I'd never thought of that one..... 

[Special_Ed]

Not sure about the global warming thing but I tell the wife every night that regular use is critical for a healthy prostrate.

I think she wants me dead 

I tried that too, it didn't work. It so was fun, but it didn't help. Of course I smiled a lot.