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[chanman]

abastarmda, here in California only very small amount of the dealers will do any performance work, since the EPA is passing out huge fines. For instance my dealer and 4 others in about a 75 mile range, will sell you the pipes, but will not put them on, sell you the tuner but will not install it,( but why buy anything from the dealer now that I have found great sites from the guys here at cvoharley to buy from) I tried to buy some 49 state head pipes and was told they couldnt ship them to California. Had the dealer say the same thing back when they did performance work like your dealer said  but it is HE will warranty the work, that doesnt necessarliy mean another dealer in another part of the country will warranty the work, as I found out traveling on a trip one time. And yes they absolutely will deny coverage if they find you have taken out or altered the Catalytic converter, but doing a stage 1 and  leaving the cat in doesnt accomplish much if your trying to get even minimal performance, kind of like kissing you sister, it doesnt mean a whole lot. So I think what some of the others are saying is true, if you alter it any past stock, your warranty is at risk, however the dealer that did the work may warrant it but good luck on the road.

[1abastarsmda]

abastarmda, here in California only very small amount of the dealers will do any performance work, since the EPA is passing out huge fines. For instance my dealer and 4 others in about a 75 mile range, will sell you the pipes, but will not put them on, sell you the tuner but will not install it,( but why buy anything from the dealer now that I have found great sites from the guys here at cvoharley to buy from) I tried to buy some 49 state head pipes and was told they couldnt ship them to California. Had the dealer say the same thing back when they did performance work like your dealer said  but it is HE will warranty the work, that doesnt necessarliy mean another dealer in another part of the country will warranty the work, as I found out traveling on a trip one time. And yes they absolutely will deny coverage if they find you have taken out or altered the Catalytic converter, but doing a stage 1 and  leaving the cat in doesnt accomplish much if your trying to get even minimal performance, kind of like kissing you sister, it doesnt mean a whole lot. So I think what some of the others are saying is true, if you alter it any past stock, your warranty is at risk, however the dealer that did the work may warrant it but good luck on the road.

I didn't notice that you were in CA.  That, in itself, changes a lot.  But, regardless of where you are at, if you made changes to the exhaust, and your heated seat, or heated grips stop working, you still have warranty coverage whereever you are.  You should still have coverage for anything that goes wrong that they can't prove was caused by the changes you made to the bike.  If you bought a tuner and had it tuned and someone did a lousy job tuning it and you are running extremely lean and the engine is running ridiculously hot, and that causes problems with the engine, you are not going to have warranty coverage in all likelihood.  Is a shop still going to try to slide it through if they think they can...probably, since they get paid for warranty work.  Given, they probably get paid a low flat rate time set by Harley, but they do get paid and it's worth it to them to take the work on, if they don't think they will end up with a problem on their hands.  These are just my interpretations.  Whether I'm correct or not could be an entirely different story.

[Diamondback]

The Catalytic converter is very restrictive.  More so than the stock pipes.  The aftermarket true duals or 2 into 1's would eliminate this problem.  Other wise, you would need a set of 09's for the 96 from an  out of state source.  They are occasionally on E-bay for around $150.00.  I didn't do the header pipes myself but the Stage I air cleaner, new wideband sensors (albeit with a $25.00 tool) and pipes are a breeze.  Had more trouble finding room for the Power Commander than the rest.

I bought my stuff from Fuel Moto and Jamie has a Power Commander PC V  with Auto Tune map for most configurations.  Great company to deal with.

I would call them and ask what they recommend.  I am getting better gas mileage with the new setup, more horsepower and more torque.  Throttle response is better and in the South Texas heat it runs cooler. 

[chanman]

I am not as concerned with them warrantying the small stuff, the seat, the hand grips, small potatoes compared to having to replace an engine, for me that is the big cost for warranty, I am just not sure I need to spend the additional cash on the extended warranty when I have altered something to do with the engine and will be denied warranty service anyway> Maybe when the new people inquire about the always asked question that the answer is always do a stage 1 and get the cat out, someone should them them that their warranty possible is at risk? what do you think?

[1abastarsmda]

I am not as concerned with them warrantying the small stuff, the seat, the hand grips, small potatoes compared to having to replace an engine, for me that is the big cost for warranty, I am just not sure I need to spend the additional cash on the extended warranty when I have altered something to do with the engine and will be denied warranty service anyway> Maybe when the new people inquire about the always asked question that the answer is always do a stage 1 and get the cat out, someone should them them that their warranty possible is at risk? what do you think?

I changed my air cleaner, pipes, tuned with SESPT, and my dealer says "no problem with warranty".  I asked about changing the cams and they told me "no problem" as long as it's an SE cam.  Again, I don't know about what will happen on the road, but at least at "my dealer" I don't think I'll have any problem.  I'm sure not going to ride this thing around stock.  If I wanted to drive a washing machine, I can save myself some money and buy a different brand of bike.  I bought a Harley and expect the full Harley experience.  If they don't honor my warranty, Harley can be assured of losing a customer.  I fully do not expect to ever have a problem with warranty due to changing my pipes and air cleaner and having it tuned to run better than stock, and cooler than stock.  Most of us are not in CA, so when you pull into a dealer, they don't look at you  like you are an oddball bucking the system with changed pipes.  It's the norm and I really don't think most dealers will think twice about trying to deny you warrany coverage with a different exhaust than stock.

[Diamondback]

I agree.  I don't think most dealers will not honor the HD warranty with only changing the header pipes, pipes and air cleaner.  Vance and Hines makes a 2 into 1 into 2 for the 09's no Cat) and then slip ons.  HD has made lot's of money with add-ons to their bikes.  If you change anything inside the engine (like non-HD cams) that might cause a problem.  I've never heard of a dealer not taking care of the bike under warranty.  Mine recommended the PC V and autotune to help the bike run  cooler.  Actually would have installed it, the Rinehart's and the Stage I for a nominal 4 hours.

Having had issues with my '07 110 and no issues with HD, I would not think any reasonable HD dealer would not honor the warranty.

[PR3VS56]

The pipe & cam warranty restrictions must be a CA thing.

[chanman]

Agreed, only in The Peoples Republic of California does big brother help you so much, however look at what has happened to automobiles. California has always had the most restrictive emmissions control, and now little by little the other states are starting to fall in line with a more restrictive policy, my belief is that eventually all other states will eventually follow suit.

[chanman]

abastarmda, ask your dealer if he will warrrant the work if there is an engine problem and he DIDNT do the install. If he says yes, I would think he is an honorable dealer. Hey man, I wish everyone the best and hope no one has a problem, but everytime I have broken down unfortunately it has been on the road on a long distance trip. Don't get me wrong I made the changes also, just like you. I didn't want my bike to sound like a washing machine, but I also know that at least here in Ca. if I have an engine problem with will probably be on my ticket, I look forward to someday meeting everyone, We are going to the Smoky Mountains leaving San Diego May 15th for a few weeks and I am going to sign up May 20th for the Harley Pony Express ride, are any of you considering particpating in it?

[Diamondback]

 

I agree.  They never seem to have any troubles unless your 500 miles from your dealer.

However, the HD dealership in Colorado Springs was great.  Front rotors were warped and they replaced them under warranty.  Of course while I waited.

[chanman]

Hey Diamond back I see you have the Orange, so do I. It seems everyone but Aba knows the orange is the fastest haha

[1abastarsmda]

Hey Diamond back I see you have the Orange, so do I. It seems everyone but Aba knows the orange is the fastest haha

I know, this is supposed to be like a knock knock joke...

Knock knock.

Who's there?

Orange.

Orange who?

Orange you glad everyone already knows the red ones are the fastest?

[Diamondback]

 

Had the 07 in red.

The 09 in orange is much faster.

[1abastarsmda]

Had the 07 in red.

The 09 in orange is much faster.

Maybe everything seems faster 2 years later.   

[Diamondback]

 

Actually, too be honest, the 07 was a little faster, a lot louder and was by no means stock.  D&D 2 into 1 is a great pipe (just loud, had the performance one for a while OMG), TMAT from Zippers cams etc.  Much poorer gas mileage, wife wouldn't ride very far etc.  Ate tires for lunch.  Metzlers and 6,000 miles for the rear was it.  But a great tire.