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[hd-dude]

I recieved another Freedom Cycles exhaust package today and in it Brad included the dyno sheet for thier new CVO 103 cam.  
 
I called him to talk about it and be sure it was ok to let the cat out of the bag and he is ready to go with the cams.  
These are gear drive cams made to bolt into the CVO 103 motor. They are made to his specs by Andrews.
 
Attached is a dyno sheet with the new setup. Before is a stock 05 SEEG with Freedom Pipes, PCIII, and AC kit.  103.5hp, 105.6 tq
 
After is the cam change only 102.8hp, 111.4tq
 
Not a huge difference in numbers but he stated that the bike runs better, and pulls harder. The best thing is that there are no more cam shoes to worry about.
 
They will be selling the cams for somewhere arouind $900.00. This will include cams, bearings, gear drive, pushrods, , and gaskets. For buyers with the Freedom setup he will provide the custom map for the PCIII so your ready to go. Freedom cycles # is 775-358-3500

[sefatboyscott]

I notice the rev limiter is set at 5,800 or so. Wonder why? When my fatboy was custom mapped they set it to 6,300.

How much does this set up in completion run including the Freedom "kit".

Just curious. I added a race tuner and a set of caliber pipes and my numbers are in my signature. Seems like alot of bucks for 6hp and 4 lbs of torque more than I got now. I do like the no cam chain tensioner thing though.

[hd-dude]

I notice the rev limiter is set at 5,800 or so. Wonder why? When my fatboy was custom mapped they set it to 6,300.

How much does this set up in completion run including the Freedom "kit".

Just curious. I added a race tuner and a set of caliber pipes and my numbers are in my signature. Seems like alot of bucks for 6hp and 4 lbs of torque more than I got now. I do like the no cam chain tensioner thing though.

The bike has the stock download in the ECM, which is set to 5800. Freedom does not use the Race tuner they use the PCIII. For now the PCIII does not allow you to increas the rev limit. They (power commander)have been working on a revision to the PCIII that will allow the rev limit to be raised. As far as cost goes they sell the pipes, PCIII, and stage 1 AC for about $1,400. The PCIII comes mapped for the 103 so you don't need to get it dynoed. I'm not sure if they have a setup for Softails.

[sefatboyscott]

Is it because you live in Cali that you need to upgrade the air cleaner. My fatboy came from the factory with a Stage 1. Or perhaps it is the difference in modles, you get all that wonderful gadgets like a radio etc and I get a Stage 1?

[syclone]

If it's not "secret" info...I sure would like to know the cam specs. there are already gear cams out there that will get you 6 ftlbs over that area of the curve.

[grc]

Is it because you live in Cali that you need to upgrade the air cleaner. My fatboy came from the factory with a Stage 1. Or perhaps it is the difference in modles, you get all that wonderful gadgets like a radio etc and I get a Stage 1?

For some unknown reason, the MoCo doesn't include the real Stage 1 air cleaner on the SEEGs, even though the bike is supposedly a Stage 1 from the factory.  In fact, if you buy the 103 kit from the parts catalog, you get the same air cleaner the SEEG's have, which is a regular plastic airbox with about 4 extra holes in it, and the standard filter element that goes on all Twin Cams.  Maybe they think folks who buy a touring bike don't want the slight increase in noise level?  Yeah, right!  More than likely it has to do with meeting sound regulations, since the 103 is noisier than the 88's, and the fairing and lowers reflect more of that noise up and out.  

Jerry  

[BLM777]

If it's not "secret" info...I sure would like to know the cam specs. there are already gear cams out there that will get you 6 ftlbs over that area of the curve.

Agree.  Disappointing numbers in that most builders will agree that the change to gear drive alone, with no change in cam configuration will produce at least 3-5 hp increase due to  the efficiency of the drive.  These numbers do not even compare to the average increases with the HD 251's with the drag of the tensioners.  Will be interesting to see if the new Zippers' cams can get it done.

[grc]

I notice the rev limiter is set at 5,800 or so. Wonder why? When my fatboy was custom mapped they set it to 6,300.

On the SEEG's, the limiter is at 5800 rpm from the factory.  If you have the Stage 1 Race calibration loaded, I believe that raises the rev limit to 6200 rpm.  The only way I've heard of raising the limit if you use a PC is to first have the Stage 1 Race calibration installed, then the PC.  I'm sure one of the PC guys can verify this (or tell me I'm full of it again).  I know I've seen dyno sheets with PC's that show 6200 rpm.  The RT allows you to set the limit in the RT, as does the ThunderMax ECM.

Jerry

[Unbalanced]

If this is his final version and the ones they are sticking with I have to say its kind of a let down I was actually expecting something from him that made you go hrmm.

To pay 900.00 for cam made by Andrews over lets call it 800 for cam off the shelf with /bearings / pushrods and gasket to get marginally low numbers that is a hard nut to swallow.  Are you sure this is Brads final copy and not just one he is working with?   With the numbers posted I can not see this as a big seller for anyone that has done even a little homework on the subject.  As others have said generally you will see 3 to 5 increases just by going with the gear drive.  If possible someone that knows Brad might want to reverify this info, because thats a lot of cash for -1 hp and 5.5 torque

It would also be nice to take a look at the spec's on the cam.

Even stock people could go with the 37g or 55g which our heads will handle since its only a 550 lift and pay 250 less.

[JCZ]

Is it because you live in Cali that you need to upgrade the air cleaner. My fatboy came from the factory with a Stage 1. Or perhaps it is the difference in modles, you get all that wonderful gadgets like a radio etc and I get a Stage 1?

While our bikes (yours included) came with "a" Screamin Eagle Air Cleaner", it's not "the" Screamin Eagle Air Cleaner..........the one that we all switched to.  This was covered here more than a year ago, on this site however, I realize that we have some newer members so we post it again.

[JCZ]

If it's not "secret" info...I sure would like to know the cam specs. there are already gear cams out there that will get you 6 ftlbs over that area of the curve.

Syclone, Brad let us know on our CVO Owners Ride, during Street Vibrations, that as a racer from the old days, that he doesn't share his proprietary information.  He referred to it as "educating the competition" in regards to the specs of his stuff.

[grc]

If this is his final version and the ones they are sticking with I have to say its kind of a let down I was actually expecting something from him that made you go hrmm.

To pay 900.00 for cam made by Andrews over lets call it 800 for cam off the shelf with /bearings / pushrods and gasket to get marginally low numbers that is a hard nut to swallow.  Are you sure this is Brads final copy and not just one he is working with?   With the numbers posted I can not see this as a big seller for anyone that has done even a little homework on the subject.  As others have said generally you will see 3 to 5 increases just by going with the gear drive.  If possible someone that knows Brad might want to reverify this info, because thats a lot of cash for -1 hp and 5.5 torque

It would also be nice to take a look at the spec's on the cam.

Even stock people could go with the 37g or 55g which our heads will handle since its only a 550 lift and pay 250 less.

Unbalanced,

I agree, I was expecting more from Freedom than this.  I'd be very interested to see what the Red Shift 557 TC would do relative to our 253 and the Freedom cam.  I think you could still call it a bolt-in, even though the lift is .007 over our stock heads max of .550 inches.

Jerry

[VANAMAL]

i think the original dyno numbers were high before the camshaft because he had the freedom pipes,filter and map. i wasnt just the new cam install. so from the stock to new numbers looks pretty good [smiley=banana.gif] [smiley=banana.gif] [smiley=banana.gif]

[syclone]

Syclone, Brad let us know on our CVO Owners Ride, during Street Vibrations, that as a racer from the old days, that he doesn't share his proprietary information.  He referred to it as "educating the competition" in regards to the specs of his stuff.

I assumed as much...but IMHO with those numbers, nobody's gonna want to know the specs. anyway.

[110tHunDer]

While our bikes (yours included) came with "a" Screamin Eagle Air Cleaner", it's not "the" Screamin Eagle Air Cleaner..........the one that we all switched to.  This was covered here more than a year ago, on this site however, I realize that we have some newer members so we post it again.

If I'm not mistaken, the Fat Boys (with their teardrop air cleaner) are wide open in the rear, so it is a true Stage I setup.  Like Jerry said, the SEEGs come with a plastic backing plate that has a few more holes in it, but is still restrictive.  The Fat Boys don't have any backing plate at all from what I remember.