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[Fired00d]

That is some serious stuff there. [smiley=nervous.gif] Hearing stuff likes this makes my '04 more appealing by the minute. [smiley=huepfenjump3.gif]

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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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[KentuckyHarleyDude]

Just came from the local dealer this morning where I had my CUSE serviced. Talking to the service manager I now know who's going to be the biggest enforcer - Harley Davidson. He told me Harley laid down the law at the dealer meeting. Absolutely no mods to the engine, drive train or exhaust on "07's. Penalty - loss of dealer contract. They're serious about this and are going to make dealers follow the rules. Penalty to the owner or an '07 - loss of warranty if a bike is found to be non-conforming.  [smiley=nixweiss.gif]

BINGO! ......

Bama

[grc]

Just came from the local dealer this morning where I had my CUSE serviced. Talking to the service manager I now know who's going to be the biggest enforcer - Harley Davidson. He told me Harley laid down the law at the dealer meeting. Absolutely no mods to the engine, drive train or exhaust on "07's. Penalty - loss of dealer contract. They're serious about this and are going to make dealers follow the rules. [highlight]Penalty to the owner or an '07 - loss of warranty if a bike is found to be non-conforming.[/highlight]  [smiley=nixweiss.gif]

I can't wait to see how they plan to administer that.  Time to get a good attorney on retainer folks.  I can see it now, you have a trans or electrical problem and some yo-yo will tell you your warranty is void because you have aftermarket pipes.  Actually, you won't even need a good attorney to win that one.

Jerry

[KentuckyHarleyDude]

I can't wait to see how they plan to administer that.  Time to get a good attorney on retainer folks.  I can see it now, you have a trans or electrical problem and some yo-yo will tell you your warranty is void because you have aftermarket pipes.  Actually, you won't even need a good attorney to win that one.

Jerry

Jerry if HDMC will not provide a MAP download to your local dealer what good will it do you change put the mufflers or exhaust?

Bama

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Jerry if HDMC will not provide a MAP download to your local dealer what good will it do you change put the mufflers or exhaust?

Bama

Bama,

I doubt that Power Commanders will disappear, or the complete ECM replacements.  Where there is a will (and a potential profit), there is a way.

Jerry

[KentuckyHarleyDude]

Bama,

I doubt that Power Commanders will disappear, or the complete ECM replacements.  Where there is a will (and a potential profit), there is a way.

Jerry

Ahhhhh but then were back to square one ..if you make the changes ...then take the bike in for any warranty work ... TROUBLE !

Bama

[Fired00d]

Ahhhhh but then were back to square one ..if you make the changes ...then take the bike in for any warranty work ... TROUBLE !

Bama

What we may see happening is owners waiting until factory warranty is up before making mods to there bikes. This may in turn hurt the extended warranty market, and dealers may potentially loose one of their revenue sources. [smiley=nixweiss.gif]

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Fired00d
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[ace4059]

My local dealer has just gotten an '06 SE Fatboy in yellow/purple and is asking MSRP. They got it from a dealer up north where it sat unsold since Oct. '05.

I went to a dealership in Dallas today, they had one '06 Fatboy in yelow/purple and one '05 FB in red/black and one '05 FB in silver/grey all at $2000 off MSRP (all SE's) and all are new . I asked the salesman if they had any '07 SE Ultras available and he said they were getting a black/orange next week but it is sold. He said if I wanted one they would be getting several more and he would get me one. I asked him what they were selling the SE ultras for and he said $2k over MSRP (plus freight and dealer prep) I told him "no thanks" since I already have one on order from my local dealer at MSRP.

[PHAZE]

My bike is at my local dealership now.  I'm planning to have them install the D and D Fatcats, the HD SERT, and put the K&N filter element on the bike.  They are going to dyno tune the bike.  I've been discussing this with the service department for about a week now.  They have not mentioned any mandates from MOCO regarding the '06 bikes.  If '07 owners find out that their dealers can't modify their bikes, they may wish that they had '06s.  This could help the '06 bikes hold their value.

  

[Fired00d]

.....If '07 owners find out that their dealers can't modify their bikes, they may wish that they had '06s.  This could help the '06 bikes hold their value.

I would think this would help all the pre-'07 bikes. I think the number of people that buy Harley's and don't do at least a muffler upgrade are few and far between. The verdict is still out on whether what I/We have been hearing about the exhaust on the '07's having the traditional Harley sound. We will just have to keep our fingers crossed and wait until we can hear for ourselves.

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Fired00d
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[Midnight Rider]

I would think this would help all the pre-'07 bikes. I think the number of people that buy Harley's and don't do at least a muffler upgrade are few and far between. The verdict is still out on whether what I/We have been hearing about the exhaust on the '07's having the traditional Harley sound. We will just have to keep our fingers crossed and wait until we can hear for ourselves.

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Fired00d
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I think you're right about most people at least doing an exhaust mod on their bike.  I'm thinking HD has done a lot of R&D on these new exhausts they're offering up this year to get some kind of compromise that people can live with, at least for the initial warranty period, then it'll be wide open again.  But for those who choose to get extended warranties, they've got problems.

Jerry....not to say that they will be able to void all aspects of the warranty, but they could really make it hard on a fella if ANYTHING happened to the motor which could remotely be related to a mod to the A/F mix, combustion process, etc.  Plus, if you tried to fight them on it, they could always call in the Feds and get you fined, which would probably cost more than the repair if you just paid for it.  Catch 22, anyone?  At any rate, it sounds like the dealers won't be tinkering with any of the '07's for anyone.  Right now, I'm glad I've got an '06 with the mods made by the dealer and an extended warranty they have to honor.  The next year will be an interesting one, it seems.   [smiley=nervous.gif]

[PHAZE]

I bought my first HD in '03 and it seems that this warranty thing has always been a question that dealers dance around.  You know that they want the money for doing the modifications and you hear things like "if we do the work, we're gonna take care of ya."

I'm more concerned about being out of town and pulling into a dealership regarding a problem.  I was talking to the GM at our local dealership yesterday and he said that there are dealers that won't touch a bike if it has exhaust mods.  How long has HD had crossed racing flags and the notes about street use in their parts catalog?  I've never seen any touring bike races advertised on the Speed Channel.  You know the MOCO and the dealers want the money.  I think the EPA thing is driving new attitudes and concerns.  Having an older bike might be a good thing.

[KentuckyHarleyDude]

I  I think the EPA thing is driving new attitudes and concerns.  Having an older bike might be a good thing.

AMEN Phase AMEN !

Bama

[Fired00d]

.......I'm more concerned about being out of town and pulling into a dealership regarding a problem.  I was talking to the GM at our local dealership yesterday and he said that there are dealers that won't touch a bike if it has exhaust mods......

I can understand if you are having problems with the exhaust that have been modified/installed by another dealer, but let’s say you are having problems with your stator. Having changed your exhaust has no significance in the stator going bad (at least that I can think of), and if the dealer is refusing to work on your bike because of this they are not the dealer I want working on my bike anyway. To add to that I would think there could be some legal action one could take against that dealership if a person was so inclined. It's going to take a dealer telling the right person this chit, and that person is going to get a good lawyer and break it off in that dealer.

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Fired00d
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[UltraPolecat]

Hey D00d!

Wouldn't it be a shame if it all came to that.  We ride these beasts because we love them and NOT so we can get involved in outside BS like lawsuits.  We deal with enough of that in our REAL life.  As for me, I just want to ride! [smiley=huepfenjump3.gif]