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[Chief]

It was a sad day, but we knew it was coming.

1. Remove all outer clothing.

[Chief]

2. Remove appropriate appendages.

[Chief]

3. Eliminate Circulatory and Nervous System

[Chief]

4. Cover the patient with surgical cloths.

[Chief]

5. Surgically cut legs.

[Chief]

6. Sever the spine and remove the head.

[Chief]

7. Head ready to ship to it's maker.

[Robmay]

What in the world are you doing there Chief??

[Chief]

What in the world are you doing there Chief??

The frame was bent in the accident. The insurance company came by and OK'd a new frame. Harley requires the head of the existing frame before selling a new one, so I had to lop it off to send it in.

[iski]

The frame was bent in the accident. The insurance company came by and OK'd a new frame. Harley requires the head of the existing frame before selling a new one, so I had to lop it off to send it in.

If this was a Godfather movie, Willie Davidson would have a very rude awakening on a not too distant morning........

[LRebel]

    That's a scary looking procedure!....One of those procedures that is hard to look at.

I'm sure you will be glad when the finished product is ready to ride.

[HogBreath]

Dayum Chief, I knew you were disgusted about the oil leaks, BUT..THAt is going over the top dude! Take a chill pill! 

[EGUC7]

Wow, I wandered into this thread with a few things on my mind, thinking here is another way to fix the leaking head gasket.  Looked at picture number 6 and about woofed my cookies.  Wonder how many hours labor the dealer charges to replace the gasket with that procedure.  Yoikes!

Ride Safe.
Walt

[VAZHOG]

Nice shift linkage

[RedDevil]

Love the color Chuck, that transparent paint really is sweet!!!    Kind of like the "headless horseman" now.
cheers ,
 

[BobD]

Sorry to see your "patient" stripped of all of her dignity. I have a question though. I went through a similar rebuild a few years ago after a gravel encounter outside of Anaconda, Montana. The issue that caused me the most duress (other than broken ribs and torn ligaments) was that after the frame replacement and some new tin work, the bike had to be titled as a salvage reconstruct. Have you checked that out Chief?

[hard10]

I'm glad you told me about this procedure over the phone before I saw the pictures!!!

[Chief]

  That's a scary looking procedure!....One of those procedures that is hard to look at.

I'm sure you will be glad when the finished product is ready to ride.

LRebel,

The whole thing makes me sick. I no  longer have a motorcycle, just a pile of parts. I'm really looking forward to reversing the process very soon.

[Chief]

Sorry to see your "patient" stripped of all of her dignity. I have a question though. I went through a similar rebuild a few years ago after a gravel encounter outside of Anaconda, Montana. The issue that caused me the most duress (other than broken ribs and torn ligaments) was that after the frame replacement and some new tin work, the bike had to be titled as a salvage reconstruct. Have you checked that out Chief?

The short answer is No. Now I'm getting sick. My whole thought process on this was that replacing the frame was just like replacing another part. I can see where I might get screwed on this one now, but like the saying goes, It's too late now.

Does anyone have any information on how that actually works?

[Chief]

Dayum Chief, I knew you were disgusted about the oil leaks, BUT..THAt is going over the top dude! Take a chill pill! 

Originally I thought this was going to be a beneficial move, with no downside. Now I'm having my doubts.

[Puzzled]

That old bent frame would make a nice project if it found its way back out of the dumpster.

Clamp that thing in the jig, extend the back bone a few inches, add a couple of inches to the down tubes, maybe a couple of extra degrees of rake, wala Hot Rod Bagger.

[Chief]

That old bent frame would make a nice project if it found its way back out of the dumpster.

Clamp that thing in the jig, extend the back bone a few inches, add a couple of inches to the down tubes, maybe a couple of extra degrees of rake, wala Hot Rod Bagger.

It will be headed to ebay.

[SBB]

The short answer is No. Now I'm getting sick. My whole thought process on this was that replacing the frame was just like replacing another part. I can see where I might get screwed on this one now, but like the saying goes, It's too late now.

Does anyone have any information on how that actually works?

On one hand you have a clean clear title.
On the other hand you have a salvage title.
Guess which one is worth a LOT more on a trade?

Regardless of how nice the paint looks!

Something you better be checking into!  

 

[Tbone]

On one hand you have a clean clear title.
On the other hand you have a salvage title.
Guess which one is worth a LOT more on a trade?

Regardless of how nice the paint looks!

Something you better be checking into!  

 

Good point Chip, if the title is branded, it won't be pretty.

Bob

[Chief]

On one hand you have a clean clear title.
On the other hand you have a salvage title.
Guess which one is worth a LOT more on a trade?

Regardless of how nice the paint looks!

Something you better be checking into!  

 

I did some checking into it and as far as I can tell since the insurance company never declared it a total, the title will remain free and clear. If they had 'totaled' it and I bought it back to rebuild, then for sure the title would be marked as a salvage title.

[Tbone]

I did some checking into it and as far as I can tell since the insurance company never declared it a total, the title will remain free and clear. If they had 'totaled' it and I bought it back to rebuild, then for sure the title would be marked as a salvage title.

That's good news Chuck!

[twojay]

The short answer is No. Now I'm getting sick. My whole thought process on this was that replacing the frame was just like replacing another part. I can see where I might get screwed on this one now, but like the saying goes, It's too late now.

Does anyone have any information on how that actually works?

From Carfax -
Salvage Title — A Salvage Title is issued on a vehicle damaged to the extent that the cost of repairing the vehicle exceeds ~ 75% of its pre-damage value. This damage threshold may vary by state. Some states treat Junk titles the same as Salvage but the majority use this title to indicate that a vehicle is not road worthy and cannot be titled again in that state. The following eleven states also use Salvage titles to identify stolen vehicles - AZ, FL, GA, IL, MD, MN, NJ, NM, NY, OK and OR.

Georgia Motor Vehicle Division:
http://motor.etax.dor.ga.gov/motor/titles/needed/salvage.asp

Chuck, Did your insurance company ever mention anything about salvage value? This would have come up when they determined the amount of your loss. They would have given you an offer if you transferred title to them, they pay and take bike,  or a lower offer if you retained the salvage, meaning they pay and you keep bike. This usually happens when the cost of repairs exceeds a % of the fair market value of the vehicle. I would call your Department of Motor Vehicles and discuss this with them. If it was determined that your bike was in fact a total your insurance company may still be willing to pay you the total value and they take the bike. Good luck and if I can help just let me know. jj

[RJ749]

Nice shift linkage

I was thinking the same thing

[Chief]

That's good news Chuck!

You know how you get that pit in the bottom of your stomach? That was me this morning.  

My checking consisted of googling "Salvage Title". I hope the information I found is pertinent.

I mean it would be ridiculous to consider the bike totaled. It sure didn't look 'totaled' at Copperhead Lodge after the accident. It rode fine, just had a really slight wander to the left which was only noticeable when on a straight road when I took my hands off of the bars.  

[SBB]

I did some checking into it and as far as I can tell

That "so far as I can tell" is about a 4K to 6K dollar swing in value.

If it was me I would be finding out fast.

Unless it doesn't matter to you.

It would to me!

 

[Chief]

Chuck, Did your insurance company ever mention anything about salvage value? This would have come up when they determined the amount of your loss. They would have given you an offer if you transferred title to them, they pay and take bike,  or a lower offer if you retained the salvage, meaning they pay and you keep bike. This usually happens when the cost of repairs exceeds a % of the fair market value of the vehicle. I would call your Department of Motor Vehicles and discuss this with them. If it was determined that your bike was in fact a total your insurance company may still be willing to pay you the total value and they take the bike. Good luck and if I can help just let me know. jj

Thanks John,

No. When they first looked at it and saw the first estimate they asked what was the value. When he realized the SE bikes are pretty pricey, they had no problem and paid the claim immediately. When we did the supplemental claim for the frame, the adjuster, a Harley rider, said he had asked his friend "Is there any Harley worth $30k?" His friend told him "yes, if it's a Screamin' Eagle bike." That's all he had to hear. He said they will have me a check for the frame in a couple of days.

Based on that they're good with repairing it.

[RJ749]

I did some checking into it and as far as I can tell since the insurance company never declared it a total, the title will remain free and clear. If they had 'totaled' it and I bought it back to rebuild, then for sure the title would be marked as a salvage title.

Chief, I would say what you posted is correct in my experience.  The branding only occurs in the situation where the bike goes through a salvage pool.

Now, if they said it was a total loss and then you bought it and used the money from the insurance to repair it, well, then the insurance company could still brand the title.

A motorcycle is a bit different however as it is much easier to replace parts than an auto would be.  In your case I would still believe you could negotiate with the insurance company not to brand it.  The only reason that they might brand it on a bike that I can see is if there is some "tax" advantage to them in the way they account for losses.

What is the dollar amount they are coughing up?

[Chief]

That "so far as I can tell" is about a 4K to 6K dollar swing in value.

If it was me I would be finding out fast.

Unless it doesn't matter to you.

It would to me!

 

It's not like I can glue the neck back onto the frame at this point. So I guess it doesn't matter basedon that. The deal is done.



(Running off to the dentist. More on this later.)

[Puzzled]

From my expierence the frame and title will be clear if this is a insurance job. Think of it as replacing a bumper. If the bike were not fixed through insurance and deemed totaled, than you bought it back, than the title gets branded as salvage. Been there done that.

[Twolanerider]

Did you ever surrender the title?  If you never turned it over and bought it back nothing has changed.

[Chief]

Chief, I would say what you posted is correct in my experience.  The branding only occurs in the situation where the bike goes through a salvage pool.

Now, if they said it was a total loss and then you bought it and used the money from the insurance to repair it, well, then the insurance company could still brand the title.

A motorcycle is a bit different however as it is much easier to replace parts than an auto would be.  In your case I would still believe you could negotiate with the insurance company not to brand it.  The only reason that they might brand it on a bike that I can see is if there is some "tax" advantage to them in the way they account for losses.

What is the dollar amount they are coughing up?

Roger,

There was never any question or conversation about them buying it out. The repair claim was paid, no questions asked. The bike is not being totaled, nor is there any discussion of whether it should be. The problem stemmed from me not being totally aware of who is in charge of branding the title. If it is the insurance company who makes the decision, I'm good.

This all started when a site member told of his experience and wound up with a salvage title. I have the title and no one is getting it from me. I've got the check for repairs from the insurance company too. It looks like I'm holding all the cards.

[Chief]

Did you ever surrender the title?  If you never turned it over and bought it back nothing has changed.

No. I've got it, the check and the bike. 

[LRebel]

I did some checking into it and as far as I can tell since the insurance company never declared it a total, the title will remain free and clear. If they had 'totaled' it and I bought it back to rebuild, then for sure the title would be marked as a salvage title.

Chief,
This is exactly correct (in Oklahoma anyway).  I have been in the insurance business for 20 years and have paid a few claims like yours.
You have no worries and should have a bike as good or better than before the accident when it is finished.
LRebel

[Chief]

Chief,
This is exactly correct (in Oklahoma anyway).  I have been in the insurance business for 20 years and have paid a few claims like yours.
You have no worries and should have a bike as good or better than before the accident when it is finished.
LRebel

[HogBreath]

I bet Chuck is breathing now.

[Chief]

I bet Chuck is breathing now.

Yes, a lot better now. As you could tell, I wasn't a very happy camper this morning. Glad to know good friends are only a phone call away. 

[RedDevil]

Chuck,
When I was stationed in Seattle, a guy in a Toyota p/u t-boned me and my Sportster at about 35mph.  After I got out of the hospital, the insurance company I had at the time, Allstate, gave me two options, I could total it, or have it rebuilt.  The only thing that was savageable on the Sportie was the engine, everything else, including frame had to be replaced.  So I had it rebuilt as a Roadster.  But that's not the point.  After all the work was done, I maintained the same title on it that I had when I picked it up from the dealership.  There was never any discussion about a salvage title and I never received one.  I actually made money when I sold it because it was no longer a "standard" sportie, but now a Roadster.  
Cheers ,
  

[VAZHOG]

It's value is worth what it is to you, Rebuild it and keep it doesn't matter what the value is it's your bike.  Same goes for any type of title (Salvage) If it's yours Fix and keep it and the salvage tiltle won't mean anything unless you go to sell it or trade it.

You said you still have the title so nothing has changed other than rebuilding a older bike for more $$$ than it's trade or resale value which doen't matter to you because you are going to keep it and ride so the value to you is priceless.

Hope the bike turns out nice  

[Chief]

Chuck,
When I was stationed in Seattle, a guy in a Toyota p/u t-boned me and my Sportster at about 35mph.  After I got out of the hospital, the insurance company I had at the time, Allstate, gave me two options, I could total it, or have it rebuilt.  The only thing that was savageable on the Sportie was the engine, everything else, including frame had to be replaced.  So I had it rebuilt as a Roadster.  But that's not the point.  After all the work was done, I maintained the same title on it that I had when I picked it up from the dealership.  There was never any discussion about a salvage title and I never received one.  I actually made money when I sold it because it was no longer a "standard" sportie, but now a Roadster.  
Cheers ,
  

Charlie,

These are great stories to hear. I think everything is going to work out fine. I freaked a bit this morning, but that is Ok. As soon as I get the neck to the dealer a new frame will be on order and I can start turning the pile of parts back into a morotcycle. I'll be glad when that happens as the basement is a pretty depressing place to go now with all the parts strewn from one end to the other.

I've got to get it back together soon so I don't forget all those little details I told myself I'd remember about how it was assembled.

One thing I'm definitely going to do is to take the battery box to a local Line-X dealer and have them shoot the inside bottom so the battery will stop grinding into the metal. Maybe chrome a few brackets in the meantime too, like the horn bracket. Might be time for a chrome rear master cylinder.

If I'm going to do it, might as well be now while it's all apart.

Does anyone have any other little improvements I might consider at this point of disassembly?

[HogBreath]

Yes, a lot better now. As you could tell, I wasn't a very happy camper this morning. Glad to know good friends are only a phone call away. 

I kept looking for a photo of a wild eyed man wipi9ng sweat from his forhead to paste on this thread. BUT..never found one.

[Chief]

I kept looking for a photo of a wild eyed man wipi9ng sweat from his forhead to paste on this thread. BUT..never found one.

I didn't need a picture. All I needed to do was look in the mirror. 

[Midnight Rider]

How about painting the frame?

[HogBreath]

How about painting the frame?

 

[RedDevil]

How about painting the frame?

oooooooooooooo, I like that idea, and diamond cut the fins on the engine and have it powder-coated a color to match your bike, like Don did.   
Cheers ,
 

[twojay]

Charlie,


If I'm going to do it, might as well be now while it's all apart.

Does anyone have any other little improvements I might consider at this point of disassembly?

Do you really  want to ask that question of these guys???

[Twolanerider]

If it were completely apart like that it would be too tempting not to get the frame powder coated.  That's something that isn't as much a benefit on the Glides as on the others (perhaps) because so much more of the frame is covered.  Even with that being so that would a huge temptation when it's fully disassembled anyway.  Would certainly put the Capital C in the Custom Paint Work.

[Twolanerider]

Do you really  want to ask that question of these guys???

 

As tempting as that is JJ it's actually a chore to think of much else that's feasible.  The harnesses can't be run inside the frame; way too much wire of course.  Color would be nice.  Aside from that chroming or color matching some bracketry or other d00d-dads as Chuck's already mentioned is about all I can think of.

[RJ749]

 

As tempting as that is JJ it's actually a chore to think of much else that's feasible.  The harnesses can't be run inside the frame; way too much wire of course.  Color would be nice.  Aside from that chroming or color matching some bracketry or other d00d-dads as Chuck's already mentioned is about all I can think of.

I saw a chromed frame once   of course only you'd know, as pointed out by 2Ln re: powder coating.

[Twolanerider]

I saw a chromed frame once

Have seen a couple.  But only on bikes that were also almost all chrome.  Not seen a chrome frame on an otherwise "normal" bike though.  Trying to build the picture in my head I'm not sure I'd like it either.  Whodathunkit...

[Midnight Rider]

If I had the frame in hand, and had a color of bike that would show up (like Red), it would be hard for me not to get the frame done to match the rest of the paint.  You can certainly see "enough" of the frame to make it worthwhile, IMO.  Red bikes are one of colors I think it would look best on.

[LRebel]

If I had the frame in hand, and had a color of bike that would show up (like Red), it would be hard for me not to get the frame done to match the rest of the paint.  You can certainly see "enough" of the frame to make it worthwhile, IMO.  Red bikes are one of colors I think it would look best on.

 

[Chief]

When powdercoating a frame, what does one do to protect the VIN label Harley sticks on? Wouldn't 450 degrees in an oven screw that up? I don't think they would just print me up another one and mail it out.

[Boatman]

When powdercoating a frame, what does one do to protect the VIN label Harley sticks on? Wouldn't 450 degrees in an oven screw that up? I don't think they would just print me up another one and mail it out.

How do you take the old VIN plate off and put on the new?  Maybe you will get a new VIN plate?

[Fired00d]

There has got to be some way of doing it. I'm almost certain PJ57 had his frame powdercoated red on his SEEG². You might want to send him a PM and ask about the procedure.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[Chief]

How do you take the old VIN plate off and put on the new?  Maybe you will get a new VIN plate?

In order to get a new frame, I had to cut the neck section out, including the VIN sticker on the left and the stamped VIN on the right. I just mailed the neck section off to the dealer and when they get that, they have to send it in to Harley before a new frame will be sent out. I assume the new frame will come stamped and stickered, just like the original. The left side sticker is just that, a sticker, and not an aluminum plate like we have on the cars.

[Twolanerider]

According to Sumax (I'd asked before) they'll mask off the numbers in the stamping until their final coat is applied to allow the minimal relief in the stamping to still stand out.  Nothing to be done about the sticker on the other side though.  Just for grins I just called the local parts counter and was told that is not something they can get by itself either.

[Chief]

Just for grins I just called the local parts counter and was told that is not something they can get by itself either.

That's pretty much what I expected. I guess paint instead of powder coat would be an option. Not as durable, but still an option.

[sadunbar]

The short answer is No. Now I'm getting sick. My whole thought process on this was that replacing the frame was just like replacing another part. I can see where I might get screwed on this one now, but like the saying goes, It's too late now.

Does anyone have any information on how that actually works?

Chief,

When I crashed my orange/black 04 SEEG in 2005, (murder/suicide - deer committed suicide, murdered my bike), I inquired about buying the remains from my insurance company -I would have needed to replace the frame.  I also inquired about the title, as they had declared the bike a "total loss".  They told me the criteria for them to total the bike was damage exceeding 50% of the value of the bike, and the criteria for requiring a salvage title was damage exceeding 75% of the value of the bike.  This was Progressive Insurance in Illinois.

Scott

[Fired00d]

That's pretty much what I expected. I guess paint instead of powder coat would be an option. Not as durable, but still an option.

I'm pretty sure this is powdercoat on this frame..

You can see the post/larger picture here.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[HogBreath]

Man....I've got a Milwaukee metal cutting Sawsall I would have LOVED to have dug into that frame!

Here's the look I had when I saw you'd cut the frame into....

[Boatman]

In order to get a new frame, I had to cut the neck section out, including the VIN sticker on the left and the stamped VIN on the right. I just mailed the neck section off to the dealer and when they get that, they have to send it in to Harley before a new frame will be sent out. I assume the new frame will come stamped and stickered, just like the original. The left side sticker is just that, a sticker, and not an aluminum plate like we have on the cars.

Thanks for the explanation.  Now I understand the whole process of the head being whacked off.  My mind works pretty slow sometimes.

I agree if you ever were going to do something different with the frame, there is  no better time than now.  A red frame would look great with your custom paint.  May as well have something good come from your accident.

[Chief]

Man....I've got a Milwaukee metal cutting Sawsall I would have LOVED to have dug into that frame!

Here's the look I had when I saw you'd cut the frame into....

My anniversary Sawzall went through it like buttah. 

[Chief]

I'm pretty sure this is powdercoat on this frame..

You can see the post/larger picture here.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

I do like that look. If I could just figure out how to get the VIN sticker issue cleared up, I may go ahead and do it.

[Fired00d]

I do like that look. If I could just figure out how to get the VIN sticker issue cleared up, I may go ahead and do it.

That bike belongs to pj57 send him a PM maybe he can give you some info on how he did his.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[Puzzled]

With a little bit of heat the sticker will come off intact. It isn't like a registration sticker where it voids itself when peeled. As for the numbers that are stamped, like was mentioned above they (the powder coater) can tape them off. I had mine coated over and they are still visible.

[Chief]

With a little bit of heat the sticker will come off intact. It isn't like a registration sticker where it voids itself when peeled. As for the numbers that are stamped, like was mentioned above they (the powder coater) can tape them off. I had mine coated over and they are still visible.

The more I think about it, the more I like the idea. I'd also want to clean up the messy welds with some grinding and filling. They really don't care about weld splatter when they put these things together.

I'm leaning to paint over powder coat for the perfect match of the color and the touch-up potential over powder coat.

[110tHunDer]

I do like that look. If I could just figure out how to get the VIN sticker issue cleared up, I may go ahead and do it.

The sticker doesn't really mean jack since the VIN is stamped in the neck.  I was worried about the sticker before I bought me SERG, since it was damaged and the VIN is not legible on it, but after realizing the more permanent and official documentation of the VIN is the stamping in the neck, I got over the damaged sticker.

At the end of the day, the sticker could be counterfeited, but the stamped VIN really can't.  I wouldn't loose sleep over eliminating it, if you want the powdercoated frame.

[Puzzled]

If you go the paint route discuss with your painter the different types of clear and which one is more durable.

My Chopper has a painted frame and looks good. The road chips were easily touched up but are noticeable (with the orange). I would probably go with powder coat next time around for the durability.

[ultrafxr]

Charlie,

These are great stories to hear. I think everything is going to work out fine. I freaked a bit this morning, but that is Ok. As soon as I get the neck to the dealer a new frame will be on order and I can start turning the pile of parts back into a morotcycle. I'll be glad when that happens as the basement is a pretty depressing place to go now with all the parts strewn from one end to the other.

I've got to get it back together soon so I don't forget all those little details I told myself I'd remember about how it was assembled.

One thing I'm definitely going to do is to take the battery box to a local Line-X dealer and have them shoot the inside bottom so the battery will stop grinding into the metal. Maybe chrome a few brackets in the meantime too, like the horn bracket. Might be time for a chrome rear master cylinder.

If I'm going to do it, might as well be now while it's all apart.

Does anyone have any other little improvements I might consider at this point of disassembly?

Damn Chuck, you're a brave or foolish man.  I think it is the former and you'll get it all back together.  Can't wait to see the finished product.

[Hoist!]

Chuck, hopefully this is the last time you'll be doing this for a long time. If you want to change the frame color, get it powder coated. They can match your paint color with the powder coat. That means you can touch it up anyway when necessary. But it will hold up better powder coated. Leave it alone or powder coat it. From seeing many bikes done both ways over the years, that's MO!

I'm surprised they didn't build your frame, then hold it hostage until you gave them the neck back when you picked up the new frame. I never heard of them asking for it upfront. Sometimes, you even get both for a short time, with the threat of a $5K penalty over your head if it's not returned promptly. They do that with dealers and shops. Maybe not private parties. With your bike apart anyway, it probably didn't effect you either way.

The new paint scheme looks beautiful. Enjoy putting it all back together again. You now have a chance to build your bike properly! Take your time, get it right, and enjoy every minute of it! Good luck man!

Hoist!

[Chief]

Damn Chuck, you're a brave or foolish man.  I think it is the former and you'll get it all back together.  Can't wait to see the finished product.

Jerry,

Thanks for the vote of confidence. I'm looking forward to the finished project too. Once the frame situation is cleared up, pieces can start going back on.

[Midnight Rider]

From my understanding, they can't blend powder to get an exact paint match like they can paint...I've been told that from two different vendors when trying to match the slate color on my bike for the jugs.  It's not as exact a science as blending paint    I would think that if you let your painter do the color with a few coats of a good, hard, clear over it, that it would be pretty durable and any nicks would never get down into the painted layers.

[Chief]

Chuck, hopefully this is the last time you'll be doing this for a long time. If you want to change the frame color, get it powder coated. They can match your paint color with the powder coat. That means you can touch it up anyway when necessary. But it will hold up better powder coated. Leave it alone or powder coat it. From seeing many bikes done both ways over the years, that's MO!

I'm surprised they didn't build your frame, then hold it hostage until you gave them the neck back when you picked up the new frame. I never heard of them asking for it upfront. Sometimes, you even get both for a short time, with the threat of a $5K penalty over your head if it's not returned promptly. They do that with dealers and shops. Maybe not private parties. With your bike apart anyway, it probably didn't effect you either way.

The new paint scheme looks beautiful. Enjoy putting it all back together again. You now have a chance to build your bike properly! Take your time, get it right, and enjoy every minute of it! Good luck man!

Hoist!

We haven't even talked to Harley yet about the frame. The neck is already in the mail to Jenni and we'll get the frame ordered next week.

I guess I need to find a good frame powder coater. Sure would be nice to find one that could powder coat Candy Apple Red.  

[Chief]

From my understanding, they can't blend powder to get an exact paint match like they can paint...I've been told that from two different vendors when trying to match the slate color on my bike for the jugs.  It's not as exact a science as blending paint    I would think that if you let your painter do the color with a few coats of a good, hard, clear over it, that it would be pretty durable and any nicks would never get down into the painted layers.

Terry,

You're right, powder will never match the color variations of paint. You can get close, but not exact. As you can tell, I'm bouncing back and forth like a ping-pong ball. The hardest hit parts are the cross members and down tubes. On this bike, I covered the forward facing edges of the cross members with 3M paint film. I peeled them off and the underlying finish was 100%. That would be my plan on protecting painted parts.

If I was only doing a show bike, it would be paint 100%. Since I plan on riding it a lot and not turning it into a trailer queen, the durability of powder is attractive.  What's aguy to do?

[Midnight Rider]

My only concern, Chuck, would be that the frame, in some places, is so close to the other painted parts (side covers come to mind), that if the color was not REAL close, it would stick out like a knot on a dog's _ _ _ _

Of course, I'm just repeating what I've been told and have no first hand experience, so take it with a grain of salt.  The only way to know for sure is to get some powder coated METAL samples.  I had Sumax send me some for comparison to the slate on my bike, and of course the color I need is in between the two they offer, so that is a no go.  The cylinders are just too close to the lowers for it to suit me.

I'm sure your painter has some experience with similar situations, so can be a lot more help in sorting this out in your head.  The 3M film is another great option on the paint.

[Chief]

I'd like to contact some frame coaters. Does anyone have any contacts? 

[Twolanerider]

Chuck, an acquaintaince of mine in north Georgia had his street rod frame and parts done at this place in Atlanta: 

www.millerpowdercoating.com

Color options were not infinite.  But they had a lot.  The work was also very good.

[Chief]

Chuck, an acquaintaince of mine in north Georgia had his street rod frame and parts done at this place in Atlanta: 

www.millerpowdercoating.com

Color options were not infinite.  But they had a lot.  The work was also very good.

 

[ccr]

Like everyone else has already said, the opportunity to paint the frame has a HUGE impact on the way your bike will look. 

Especially since it is red, it will look fantastic.  Even though Pete's (PJ57) bike was a bagger, like yours, the red frame stood out a lot.  A definite must do since you are already there anyway.  I am wondering though, why are you doing all the work yourself?  Why not have a shop do all the hard work?  If insurance is paying anyway.  Just wondering.  Not that they would do near as good a job as you will.  I just can't imagine what it was like to have to cut the head off your own bike. 

[Tbone]

I'd like to contact some frame coaters. Does anyone have any contacts? 

Chuck,

Check with Biker's Dream too, my boss had some chrome work done by them for his Corvette.  I bet they do powder coating too.

Bob

[Chief]

Like everyone else has already said, the opportunity to paint the frame has a HUGE impact on the way your bike will look. 

Especially since it is red, it will look fantastic.  Even though Pete's (PJ57) bike was a bagger, like yours, the red frame stood out a lot.  A definite must do since you are already there anyway.  I am wondering though, why are you doing all the work yourself?  Why not have a shop do all the hard work?  If insurance is paying anyway.  Just wondering.  Not that they would do near as good a job as you will.  I just can't imagine what it was like to have to cut the head off your own bike. 

Candy,

I've always been a big DIY guy and that's one thing that attracted me to Harley. A mere mortal can work on a Harley and I like that. I also like getting paid shop rate to work in my own basement.  

[Chief]

Chuck,

Check with Biker's Dream too, my boss had some chrome work done by them for his Corvette.  I bet they do powder coating too.

Bob

Good one. 

Thanks.

[HogBreath]

Candy,

I've always been a big DIY guy and that's one thing that attracted me to Harley. A mere mortal can work on a Harley and I like that. I also like getting paid shop rate to work in my own basement.  

If you need some help whenever you're putting it back together, I could be hired for room and board. I'll even bring my own SawZall.

[Tbone]

If you need some help whenever you're putting it back together, I could be hired for room and board. I'll even bring my own SawZall.

Same offer go for a garage?? 

[Chief]

I spoke with Sumax this AM and I have to say I'm impressed with their story. I'll wait until after christmas to speak with their PC guy, Kevin, and get some chips from him. They explained that they de-burr the frame, smoothing out all of Harley's globbed up welds and splatter. I think I need to see some pictures to believe they get it all as smooth as they claim they do. I mean, there's a lot of crappy looking welds on that frame.

Prices are $518 for the frame, $162 for the swing arm and $80 for the lower triple. Then a $65 crating charge plus frt to GA. By me not having to take posession and doing my own de-burr, that will save many days and dollars.

If the color match is as good as they claim. I think this is the best way to go.  

[HogBreath]

Same offer go for a garage?? 

If you'll buy the lumber from me...FOB clinton of course.

[Tbone]

I spoke with Sumax this AM and I have to say I'm impressed with their story. I'll wait until after christmas to speak with their PC guy, Kevin, and get some chips from him. They explained that they de-burr the frame, smoothing out all of Harley's globbed up welds and splatter. I think I need to see some pictures to believe they get it all as smooth as they claim they do. I mean, there's a lot of crappy looking welds on that frame.

Prices are $518 for the frame, $162 for the swing arm and $80 for the lower triple. Then a $65 crating charge plus frt to GA. By me not having to take posession and doing my own de-burr, that will save many days and dollars.

If the color match is as good as they claim. I think this is the best way to go.  

Chuck, it sounds like you learned something from your bolt experience. 

[Twolanerider]

I spoke with Sumax this AM and I have to say I'm impressed with their story. I'll wait until after christmas to speak with their PC guy, Kevin, and get some chips from him. They explained that they de-burr the frame, smoothing out all of Harley's globbed up welds and splatter. I think I need to see some pictures to believe they get it all as smooth as they claim they do. I mean, there's a lot of crappy looking welds on that frame.

Prices are $518 for the frame, $162 for the swing arm and $80 for the lower triple. Then a $65 crating charge plus frt to GA. By me not having to take posession and doing my own de-burr, that will save many days and dollars.

If the color match is as good as they claim. I think this is the best way to go.  

Might be able to help at least a little bit there Chuck.  PM me your mailing address. 

When doing my recent work with them Kevin told me they currently have only one candy red option.  Lots of other reds apparently.  But only one candy red.  I've got two chips of that color still here.  They call it "Apple Spice."  Will put them in the mail to you ASAP.

[Chief]

Chuck, it sounds like you learned something from your bolt experience. 

Yes I did. 

[ultrafxr]

Candy,

I've always been a big DIY guy and that's one thing that attracted me to Harley. A mere mortal can work on a Harley and I like that. I also like getting paid shop rate to work in my own basement.  

I like working on my bike also but don't know I would be brave enough or patient enough to do what you're doing.  But like you said getting paid shop rate in your garage is pretty nice and you'll know it is done to your satisfaction.

[Chief]

I like working on my bike also but don't know I would be brave enough or patient enough to do what you're doing.  But like you said getting paid shop rate in your garage is pretty nice and you'll know it is done to your satisfaction.

It's really amazing how few bolts are involved in going from a complete motorcycle to just a pile of parts. I didn't count, but I don't think it would be much over 100, if that many. 

[ultrafxr]

It's really amazing how few bolts are involved in going from a complete motorcycle to just a pile of parts. I didn't count, but I don't think it would be much over 100, if that many. 

Wow.  I guess leafing through the service manual kind of makes one timid.  How are you going to get the engine into the new frame.  That's going to call for some help for sure.

[Chief]

Wow.  I guess leafing through the service manual kind of makes one timid.  How are you going to get the engine into the new frame.  That's going to call for some help for sure.

If you want the smart a$$ answer, here it is...Hopefully without any damage to the frame.

Specifically I don't know. I've never done it before. Right now, the engine and tranny is all that is left in the frame. I'm sure we'll figure out something next week when we go to pull it. Pictures may show a bit of redneck inginooity being put into play. 

[ultrafxr]

If you want the smart a$$ answer, here it is...Hopefully without any damage to the frame.

Specifically I don't know. I've never done it before. Right now, the engine and tranny is all that is left in the frame. I'm sure we'll figure out something next week when we go to pull it. Pictures may show a bit of redneck inginooity being put into play. 

Don't know what that bugger weighs but I guarantee you it is HEAVY. 

[Rooster]

Another thing to check is Car Fax. Hopefully there is no report from the insurance company on the frame replacement. I haven't checked whether they have that for motorcycle's or not like they do for cars. Anyway good luck with it.

[amigo Jorge]

Mi amigo Chief...I am very impressed with your mechanical skills ....wow.congras!!  Please send pics when you start putting back all the pieces....hopefully you will use all of them!!

Merry Christmas to you and Pinkie mi amigo

Jorge

[BigMike]

If you want the smart a$$ answer, here it is...Hopefully without any damage to the frame.

Specifically I don't know. I've never done it before. Right now, the engine and tranny is all that is left in the frame. I'm sure we'll figure out something next week when we go to pull it. Pictures may show a bit of redneck inginooity being put into play. 

Shouldn't be a problem.  But I believe the (leaking) heads/jugs need to be removed.  Good time to send the motor out for a 113"/Timken upgrade.   

[LRebel]

Shouldn't be a problem.  But I believe the (leaking) heads/jugs need to be removed.  Good time to send the motor out for a 113"/Timken upgrade.   

Yeah Chief, the motor is already going to be out of the frame (while the frame is being custom painted or powder coated), so it only makes sense to do a motor build now, right  ........come on don't miss this opportunity to spend $$$$.  After all, you can't take it with you...might as well go all the way with the custom project, right?