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[Fired00d]

I'm not bashing anyone's bike nor the waiting game and no, I'm not joking.  Fired00d waited 9 months.  Glad you got the color you wanted d00d and a good choice of colors it is!   [smiley=pumpkin.gif]......  

Keep the wind in your face,  8-)
J

Ok, now I understand.

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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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[JCZ]

I'm not bashing anyone's bike nor the waiting game and no, I'm not joking.  Fired00d waited 9 months.  Glad you got the color you wanted d00d and a good choice of colors it is!   [smiley=pumpkin.gif].  HD colors all the way!  You don't have to wait that long now with the cycling through the colors more often now days.  I'm simply stating that I believe the folks in CVO are doing a great job  [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif].  They're listening and making changes.  Granted, it might not be as fast as we'd like to see.  Our bikes have more goodies on them now and better performance right out of the box.  Also, if the quality has gotten worse, then why make the purchase?  Yes, there are going to be problems at times.  No one is perfect.  Even Rolls Royce has a service department and ask the guy that has one in the shop and he'll probably have a similar response.  I DO know folks that purchased a CVO of a different color vs. the color they really wanted because it was the only one the dealer was getting and if they didn't buy it, they were SOL.  

Keep the wind in your face,  8-)
J

I agree.  While there may be issues that we're not happy about........I have memories of bikes that I've owned back in the day (shovel head, pan head, flat heads, etc.) that I had to work on damn near every time I rode them.  As time has moved along (a little more time then I'd care to admit) the quality has improved.

I think I'll keep riding a Harley for now. [smiley=nixweiss.gif]  But if they're (the MoCo) is listening........they've failed to hear the request (for several years, right here on this site) for a refined ABS system especially on the rear.  And where's the next CVO model of a Road Glide?  With a quick release King Tour pack please. [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]

[JCZ]

Ok, now everyone promise not to keep track of how much I spend on the new Road Glide   8-)

Hold on a minute Brian.......the MoCo is listening and I let them know that we'd like to see another Road Glide CVO.......told em in Rapid City, talking to the CVO reps.  Also let them know that they've sold more then enough CVO's to warrant a CVO line of clothing and at least our own jacket done by the same designer that did the Screamin Eagle leather jacket.  Just gotta wait for Christmas. [smiley=huepfenlol2.gif]

[MJZ]

We all love Harleys, that is why we are here. But do you think we should thank Honda for the improvement in the quality of the bikes we all love? Had they not come along (w/ cars too), Milwaukee (& Detroit) would still be putting out "start & breakdown oil leakers".

[BK]

We all love Harleys, that is why we are here. But do you think we should thank Honda for the improvement in the quality of the bikes we all love? Had they not come along (w/ cars too), Milwaukee (& Detroit) would still be putting out "start & breakdown oil leakers".

You hit the head on the nail.

[Road_Glider]

I'll have to say...it's kind of upsetting to see all the bashing.  Obviously most have lost or forgotten the main benefits of the CVO (from Road Glide on).  Performance (big motors), styling and paint.  Keep in mind...CVO takes these bikes to market in one year.  They're small niche teams that develop, test and bring it to reality.
 
It seems we've all become numb to the basics.  If you doubt me...go throw your leg over a vivid black TC88 compared to your 103's or 110's and see if you can step backwards.  It's hard and I doubt any of us would like to step back into those days.  To take a vivid black bike and create even the same paint set on an Ultra would be difficult with 11-14 passes at 5k.  At least one of similar quality as HD puts out unless you have a buddy willing to do it for beer   [smiley=drink.gif] after hours.  

Goodies.  Yes, our bikes are loaded up with them.  These goodies become a big staple for HD.  There are a lot of folks that can't afford our bikes right off the bat.  Lets face it...a LOT of people would LOVE to own one of our bikes but can't due to the $$.  But...they DO see some cool accessories that we have on our bikes and run to the catalog and add it to their bike just so they have some of the creature comforts we have.  When I park the CVO I almost have to run away from it.  Why?  Because everyone that doesn't have one wants to talk to me about it.  That should make all of us proud to ride one although the wifey sometimes gets mad when we're trying to get somewhere.  

Exclusitivity...you know...more and more of these bikes are going over seas as well.  They have also upped the color options.  Remember when ONE color and maybe two were the norm?  Now we have 3 and you can pick and choose which one you want because that's your favoriate color.  Obviously we've forgotten the days where an orange SEEG   [smiley=pumpkin.gif] was the only option you had because they quit making the black/purple ones last week!    

So keep in mind...we are ambasadors to the MOCO weather or not you want to believe it.  Weather or not you want to belive it, the MOCO listens to us.  We make suggestion...they typically listen.  Yes, it may not be within "your" time frame.  But there IS a lot of testing that needs to be done on everything.  The MOCO isn't like OCC where they get out the hammer and slap something together in order to do a one off bike.  (ever see OCC use a torque wrench???)  How long have we yelled, kicked and screamed for a 6-speed?  So, they came up with a kit to add to the 5 speed.  Now, all of 07's have the tranny from the factory stock with a 2 year warranty.  Ever think that maybe the TC88 didn't have enough UMPFF to drive the 6-speed except on flat surfaces with a good wind behind you???  There's a lot of downshifting that goes on with a stock TC88 and 6 speed.  Now with the TC96, they can drive the 6-speed like it should be driven.  

CVO is the group that leads the way.  Take a look at how it revitalized the Road Glide in the OE platform.  We've gotten the Road King Custom and Street Glide basically from what the CVO group has come up with and now the OE group has picked up the Screamin Eagle V-rod.  

Quality has gone up.  WAY UP from what it was.  Can it get better...sure.  I think their experience shows they are striving at that.  

Ok, I'll get off the soap box now.  I'm proud to ride a CVO.  Still a great site and some great points made here.  

Cheers,
J [smiley=drink.gif]

Great post.  I agree the CVO bikes are special that is what made me buy my '03 Deuce.  But once I found the ride that really fit me, the RG then I had to make my own special ride.  I look forward to the day that HD rolls out another CVO RG and my hope is it will be sooner rather than later.  I am also hoping that the next CVO RG will have a newly developed water pumper motor that puts out 100 HP and 100 TQ bone stock.  Not the REVO motor but a newly designed motor to make the HP and TQ where you need it on a bagger (not a super high reving motor like the revo).  You are correct that the CVO bikes maintain their values pretty darned well.  I know when the time comes to flip out of my current ride I will take a bath since I have in it more than the cost of the CVO Ultra.  But to get the bike I wanted that is what I had to do and I knew that going in.  Also agree completely with the comments on the differences in the motors being put in the current CVO bikes as compared to a TC 88.  Night and day and as you know the 103 even in stock form with just a stage 1 freer flowing mufflers and a race tuner and some dyno time can really make a real nice power plant that even guys who like to feel the power will be happy with.  Take care,

[djc]

You are correct that the CVO bikes maintain their values pretty darned well.

 I wonder if that has changed somewhat?  I just returned from a business meeting in Michigan.  I stopped in the HD dealership south of Grand Rapids.  Because of a custormer backing out, they were just rolling out on to the showroom a  brand new 2006 crimson and black Ultra.  Tagged price $27,995.  .  

[WFP]

Are you Serious? Not a trade-in???

/Bill

You are correct that the CVO bikes maintain their values pretty darned well.

 I wonder if that has changed somewhat?  I just returned from a business meeting in Michigan.  I stopped in the HD dealership south of Grand Rapids.  Because of a custormer backing out, they were just rolling out on to the showroom a  brand new 2006 crimson and black Ultra.  Tagged price $27,995.  .  

[djc]

Not a trade in - Brand new!  

[WFP]

Sadness...

Not a trade in - Brand new!  

[sefatboyscott]

Here is the main difference I see in owning a CVO. The starting point. Let's face it any of us who owns an H-D is going to change it. Usually there is a minor change every single time we stop by a stealer. Some doo dad or bling bling is going to look better on our bikes than on the wall at the stealer. It's only a matter of time and in some cases money before it finds it's way bolted onto our rides.

We did not buy them to have the fastest most reliable and fantastic handling rides. That's just the facts. If you don't believe me you have not ridden a modern Goldwing. We baught them because we have an idea of what our dream bike looks like in our heads. We have been inspired from so many places in the course of our lives. Our dreams realized tend to be in direct proportion to our wallets. Don't they?  When I baught my CVO for me it was a huge leap into my pocket. I am only 35 years old. I did not dream I could own a bike this nice. Yet today I look at her two years into ownership. Not only have I afforded her. Other bikes have come and gone from my shed and my bike today looks even better than the day I purchased her. There are all kinds of doo dads and bling blings that have been added. She not only inspired me to customize her further. This bike has inspired me in life.......period. I am not sure I would have achieved the level of financial success that I have obtained thus far if it were not for the inspiration of the idea of the repo man coming to pick up my beloved Silver Sled. I have made efforts to preserve her that included buying other motorcycles to ride just to keep the miles off her and keep her for "the good" days. This bike has made me a better husband. Do you think I would let my wife go without realizing her own dreams while I can go out and hit the ignition and live out some of my wildest dreams at any given moment? This bike has inspired me more than I could ever put down in words. It has actually defined me. The day I baught her it was beyond what my lifestyle could afford. Because of her I learned alot about success and what it stands for. My bike represents to me if noone else exactly how far I have come in life so far to have a 35k toy amongst many toys. There was a day I had next to nothing. Today are there things I would like to have that I don't? ....sure there are. My CVO shows me that somewhere in life I made a few good choices. Just to give some background I baught my CVO exactly two years after getting off coke. If you don't know then you just can't fully appreciate what my particular CVO represents to me. Four years ago I was making 10 bucks an hour cooking at a family rest. Now I am a Mortgage Analyst for a major bank pulling in six figures ( on the healthy side ). I don't think I would have chosen the same path if it were not purely out of the pride of owning my CVO and the fear of losing her.  She has braught me places I never IMAGINED yet realize in reality today.

The cost of owning my CVO: 35k
The cost of not owning my CVO : Prison or Death

The realization of the above : Priceless

[Chief]

Having missed this thread before, since it died before I found the board, I find this topic interesting.

To me, custom - means one off. Nothing about the CVO bikes are custom. They are all alike, which makes them non-custom.

For me, it was a way of getting started on the basic mods I never completed on my first FLHTC.

CVO's are different, but not custom.

I now have a custom CVO because of what I have done to it, not because of what HD did to it. They just got the process started.

Chief

[woody]

Having missed this thread before, since it died before I found the board, I find this topic interesting.

To me, custom - means one off. Nothing about the CVO bikes are custom. They are all alike, which makes them non-custom.

For me, it was a way of getting started on the basic mods I never completed on my first FLHTC.

CVO's are different, but not custom.

I now have a custom CVO because of what I have done to it, not because of what HD did to it. They just got the process started.

Chief

Absolutely my opinion, CVO is a production starting point for your own costum.

[RJ749]

Having missed this thread before, since it died before I found the board, I find this topic interesting.
To me, custom - means one off. Nothing about the CVO bikes are custom.
For me, it was a way of getting started on the basic mods I never completed on my first FLHTC.
CVO's are different, but not custom. They just got the process started.
Chief

Yep, its been said here many times before in many threads, the CVO's are a great starter kit.

[ronshood2000]

Good points. I'm probably most dissatisfied with the paint. I talked to a paint buddie of mine who does custom work and he had indicated that MoCo went on the cheap regarding the paint. Not saying it's inexpensive, but quality cheap. The Flames on the 07 SERK are visibly raised, looks like (not saying, just looks like) decals lobbed on and clear coated over. Not sure if this is the case, but it seems they could of done a better job, especially with the price tag.

I guess I could alway strip her down and have her really customized, if and when it really starts to get to me. Am I still talking about the SERK?