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CVO Social => Off Topic => Topic started by: BalDeagle on April 09, 2008, 04:09:53 PM
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Our Gas prices are really running wild over here at the moment. I filled up my Cage today with a little over 14 Gallons of Gas and it cost me the equivalent of $150.00 - yep you read it right $150.00 for 14 Gallons of Gas.
Now that smarts.
>:(
Nige
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Can you tell me where G.B. gets the bulk of her oil from?
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Middle East as far as I am aware Howie.
Nige
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I feel your pain - I know this won't help you much but it's nice to hear that we are not the only ones feeling the pinch- So how often to you need to fill it? I didn't think the Island was that large (for Milage) anyway :)
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I feel your pain - I know this won't help you much but it's nice to hear that we are not the only ones feeling the pinch- So how often to you need to fill it? I didn't think the Island was that large (for Milage) anyway :)
I get about 500 - 550 miles on a tank. I do about 25,000 to 30,000 miles a year. So at current prices I guess I spend the equivalent of about $8,000.00 per year.
Wish I hadn't worked that out!
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Nige,
I just thought it was bad here.....You're paying $10.70 per gallon?????
Regular Unleaded here is $3.15 per gallon and diesel is $3.64 per gallon
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Just filled up, I am in Calgary. Regular gas (87 Octane) is CDN $1.18.9 per lire, with exchange of the CDN/US Dollar today that would equate to approximately US $4.15/gallon.
And we have been paying this kind of pricing for years.
No wonder twenty five plus years ago our Liberal Government pushed metrification on us, so the pricing of fuel would not scare us.
geezerglide
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Nige,
I just thought it was bad here.....You're paying $10.70 per gallon?????
Regular Unleaded here is $3.15 per gallon and diesel is $3.64 per gallon
Dam that's cheap. I'm paying 3.999 for diesel.
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Dam that's cheap. I'm paying 3.999 for diesel.
:indian_chief:
Paid 3.35 for regular today. Crazy!
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Drove by the station this morning and reagular is $3.74 Gallon. :bigcry:
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Just filled up the SERK @ 3.59 for 93 octane
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$3.99 for Diesel, is what their getting at the Indian reservations here in NY.
off the res, their getting $4.38 :nixweiss:
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Dam that's cheap. I'm paying 3.999 for diesel.
:indian_chief:
$4.19 to $429 for diesel here in Washington.
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Just filled up, I am in Calgary. Regular gas (87 Octane) is CDN $1.18.9 per lire, with exchange of the CDN/US Dollar today that would equate to approximately US $4.15/gallon.
And we have been paying this kind of pricing for years.
No wonder twenty five plus years ago our Liberal Government pushed metrification on us, so the pricing of fuel would not scare us.
geezerglide
Leo, if the Canadian dollar hadn't gained strength you'd really be paying now.
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4.07 for ulsd...
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I filled the bike up on the reservation Monday at $3.30/gal for 93 octane. The total taxes in this area are just over $1.00/gal but the savings are only about 25-30 cents by going to the reservation. That's a nice margin on gas for the natives (and I'm all for it!). I was paying $200/month for gas in my car last year. Now I have a company car. Thank goodness.
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I,m doing the speed limit in my 3 gas gusselers 95% of the time... WOW never thought I,d say that also doing speed limit 50% of the time on my bikes.....If gas doesn,t go down i,ll have to buy a pre ish and supercharge it to get my kicks----AK
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You guys don't know you're born! The only consolation I have is that my holiday in the USA should only cost me about $650.00 for the 7,000 planned miles.
and yes LRebel I paid $10.73 per gallon for Diesel yesterday.
Nige
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I bought a Nissan Murano in 2003 and could not quite put a full $20 in the tank. Last year traded that Murano in on a 2007 version. Put $62 in the tank yesterday. The tanks is the same size. I got a speeding ticket about a month ago and between that and the price of gas, I'm doing like Andy, goin about speed limit.
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Filled up the SEUC this morning before coming into work. Prem. Unleaded was $3.60. Put in just under 4 gals and it cost me $14.00. :-\ Filled up the diesel a couple of days ago at $3.89/gal...first time I ever broke the century mark ($109) to fill any vehicle of mine. The times, they are a changin'. :'(
:devil:
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our preacher just bought a 883 sporty. he was spending over $300 month in his dodge dooley.
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Just on the news a few minutes ago. In Sacramento gas has hit an all time record high an average of $3.74 a gallon! :o
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Cheapest gas in town @ Costco - $3.22. Cheapest diesel @ Murphy - $3.91.
Lots & lots & lots of oil waiting to be drilled in the USA - untapped off the coasts of California & Florida. Lots & lots of oil all over untapped that cannot be tapped (political reasons only) because it's in places like ANWAR. At some point it will be, when price pressure becomes a force on political pressure.
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The station down the street from us wants $4.55 per gallon for diesel! :nixweiss:
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Cheapest gas in town @ Costco - $3.22. Cheapest diesel @ Murphy - $3.91.
Lots & lots & lots of oil waiting to be drilled in the USA - untapped off the coasts of California & Florida. Lots & lots of oil all over untapped that cannot be tapped (political reasons only) because it's in places like ANWAR. At some point it will be, when price pressure becomes a force on political pressure.
my son works in the oil fields of louisiana. they are constantly putting the rigs on hold, as there is a lag between finding storage, and refining. seems we are running our refineries at capacity and the storage batteries have to deplete before they can drill more oil. he will go from 80 to 100 hr work weeks (drilling)to 40 hrs a week (washing and greasing the parked rigs) on a regular basis. add the fact that he has moved jobs several times over the last couple years just trying to keep steady work. lots of drilling companies have rigs that stand idle for months!!! to rectify the problem in the US, we need more refineries.
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my son works in the oil fields of louisiana. they are constantly putting the rigs on hold, as there is a lag between finding storage, and refining. seems we are running our refineries at capacity and the storage batteries have to deplete before they can drill more oil. he will go from 80 to 100 hr work weeks (drilling)to 40 hrs a week (washing and greasing the parked rigs) on a regular basis. add the fact that he has moved jobs several times over the last couple years just trying to keep steady work. lots of drilling companies have rigs that stand idle for months!!! to rectify the problem in the US, we need more refineries.
Agreed. Know several folks in the same boat as your son. Try to build a new refinery & see what happens. Every enviro-nut on the continent goes ballistic when we pursue VIABLE energy sources (petrochemicals, nuclear) instead of whatever they think is politically correct at the moment - solar, wind, wave energy, & other non solutions. So no new refineries get built because of perceived "damage to the environment" ( enviro-code for anti-biz, anti-capitalism). At some point common sense might prevail, but with politicians involved, low expectations are best until a tipping point occurs. Then it will be fun to watch.
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I wish I could get a gallon of Acme Pale Ale for $4!!!!
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I wish I could get a gallon of Acme Pale Ale for $4!!!!
Or Evian spring water!
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Dont even want to tell you what it cost me to fill up my 08 F350 diesal. Love the scooter!!!!!!
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I piped in $120 into my diesel last week...On the bike this week!
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I got ya all beat. I pumped $225 worth of diesel into a 35 ton Grove Crane. I drove it home about 75 miles, and it took 2 hours and between 1/4 and a half of a tank of fuel. I WAS driving WFO tho...45 MPH
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why not build a refinery at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba? I don't think I'd like one on the land behind my house, but like garbage dumps, they have to go somewhere.
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I got ya all beat. I pumped $225 worth of diesel into a 35 ton Grove Crane. I drove it home about 75 miles, and it took 2 hours and between 1/4 and a half of a tank of fuel. I WAS driving WFO tho...45 MPH
Ken you are just an animal!
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I wish I could get a gallon of Acme Pale Ale for $4!!!!
World wide shortage of Hops and Washington is the number one producer in the USA. Prices on the rise.
Hops have rebounded to the point that some growers are replacing wine grapes with hops.
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Slight pump price slip to be wiped by upswing that'll see $3.60 a gallon by June, study says
NEW YORK -- Retail gasoline prices pulled back slightly from record levels Tuesday and gave some consumers a small break, but a new government forecast said gas could reach as high as $4 a gallon during the summer driving season. In its monthly report on petroleum supplies and demand, the Energy Department's Energy Information Administration forecast that monthly average pump prices will peak near $3.60 a gallon in June, but could rise as high as $4 a gallon at times. That's a dime higher than the EIA's previous monthly average projection, and brings government forecasts closer to those of many analysts who expect gas prices to peak close to $4 a gallon. The government also predicted high prices will cut demand for gasoline at the height of the summer. The agency previously said petroleum consumption would rise by 40,000 barrels a day.
Source: The Detroit News
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In Germany gas is about 1.35 euro per liter which works out to 7.78 per gallon. I fill up on base which is the US average...but here is the kicker...military doesn't pay tax on their gas...so where does that extra 1.50 go...supposedly for social programs...unflippin believeable. :soapbox:
Seegarz
Got 100 euro out of the bank today cost me $164 WTF is going on?!!!!
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Federal Gas TAX is 18.4 cents PG! Read your state addition Per Gal and Weep :)
http://commonsensejunction.com/notes/gas-tax-rate.html
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I got ya all beat. I pumped $225 worth of diesel into a 35 ton Grove Crane. I drove it home about 75 miles, and it took 2 hours and between 1/4 and a half of a tank of fuel. I WAS driving WFO tho...45 MPH
The last time I filled my boat at the dock it was over 600...That was the last time too about three years ago, I sold that beast off the next month and went to rentin if the urge sets to me...Never couold figure how to turn a buck withit, at least the crane ill pick chite up...
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Federal Gas TAX is 18.4 cents PG! Read your state addition Per Gal and Weep :)
http://commonsensejunction.com/notes/gas-tax-rate.html
Here's the rub for the states. Since they screwed us for so long with the tax on the gallon and not on the price they are now having huge shortfalls of revenue because less gas is being sold at today's prices.
You just have to know a change in taxation is going to be tried now.
In the meantime the roads are going to pot and no one here at least is doing squat about it.
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The last time I filled my boat at the dock it was over 600...That was the last time too about three years ago, I sold that beast off the next month and went to rentin if the urge sets to me...Never couold figure how to turn a buck withit, at least the crane ill pick chite up...
Oh God I have to think out loud here....trying to get the correct props on the boat last weekend
fuel...$3.75 a gallon for diesel at the dock
Boat ran 36.5 kts = 43.8 mph
Fuel burn at 43.8 mph = 104 gph
which makes us getting .4211538 mpg
ran the boat for 7 hours @ 104 gph = 728 gallons @ $3.75 a gallon = $2730
props are wrong....have to try another set this weekend
Anyone want to buy a boat....$1.5M
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Oh God I have to think out loud here....trying to get the correct props on the boat last weekend
fuel...$3.75 a gallon for diesel at the dock
Boat ran 36.5 kts = 43.8 mph
Fuel burn at 43.8 mph = 104 gph
which makes us getting .4211538 mpg
ran the boat for 7 hours @ 104 gph = 728 gallons @ $3.75 a gallon = $2730
props are wrong....have to try another set this weekend
Anyone want to buy a boat....$1.5M
I fish with my little Zebco for a less than that Brian.... :-\
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So the story in all this amazing comments is that for each of us, no matter our income brackets or normal expenditures for fun
the cost of gas is hurting us in some way --- small or big.
I have the chance to work from home 80 hours a month max ---- 70 hours makes the boss feel better ---- well, you know what, at the prices for the cost of commuting, I am willing to start pushing that envelope of 80 hours each month. And then I think it may need be the need to pay attention to those high occupancy days. Driving into a Capitol city I can hedge expenses and time by flexing hours to miss the bulk of the traffic. Need to really work that angle. Brian, sorry when you cross from thousand to hundreds of thousand you left me, so the mil is out of my income bracket.
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Oh God I have to think out loud here....trying to get the correct props on the boat last weekend
fuel...$3.75 a gallon for diesel at the dock
Boat ran 36.5 kts = 43.8 mph
Fuel burn at 43.8 mph = 104 gph
which makes us getting .4211538 mpg
ran the boat for 7 hours @ 104 gph = 728 gallons @ $3.75 a gallon = $2730
props are wrong....have to try another set this weekend
Anyone want to buy a boat....$1.5M
i will trade you a pirogue, if you fill te tanks first.
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Oh God I have to think out loud here....trying to get the correct props on the boat last weekend
fuel...$3.75 a gallon for diesel at the dock
Boat ran 36.5 kts = 43.8 mph
Fuel burn at 43.8 mph = 104 gph
which makes us getting .4211538 mpg
ran the boat for 7 hours @ 104 gph = 728 gallons @ $3.75 a gallon = $2730
props are wrong....have to try another set this weekend
Anyone want to buy a boat....$1.5M
Show us some pictures!
Might be able to work something out.
Depends on how much my rebate check is from Uncle Sam!
:huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:
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Show us some pictures!
Might be able to work something out.
Depends on how much my rebate check is from Uncle Sam!
:huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:
When she was being built
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When she was being built
MORE!
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When she was being built
Where do ya stack the lubstah traps on that theyah boat ?
B B
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Where do ya stack the lubstah traps on that theyah boat ?
B B
Big B....with the cost of fuel, look out for seafood prices to go through the roof.
Wholesale tuna here usually is about $1- $2 a pound........not worth going.......now they are around $8 a pound.........going tuna fishing :2vrolijk_21:
This one was 114 lbs
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Good observation. I feel that my grocery bill has doubled in the last year, but your right, if the price of gas stays up, everything has to cost more. Man oh man, not a good time to be uncertain about employment, for sure.
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Nige,
I just thought it was bad here.....You're paying $10.70 per gallon?????
Regular Unleaded here is $3.15 per gallon and diesel is $3.64 per gallon
Not quite as bad at that, as our gallons are bigger than yours. A US Gallon of Diesel is costing us $8.61 - premium unleaded is around the same - and regular unleaded $8.23
Where we are REALLY getting stiffed is on heating and lighting our homes - and remember this is a cold country. Heating oil is now at $4.11 for a US gallon. A fill of 1000l costs us $1087 and lasts around 6 weeks. Gas (not liquid fuel, actual gas I mean!) we buy in 47kg bottles at around $100 a bottle. We use one of those a week. Electricity is now around $67 a week for us. So just for heating, lighting and cooking, we are paying around $350 a week, before we put a drop of gas in the car.....
To answer another question, the oil that produces most of our gas (petrol for cars that is) is home produced, from our North Sea Oilfields as they produce a light crude that's particularly suited to gas production. The rest is all imported.
Jim
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Big B....with the cost of fuel, look out for seafood prices to go through the roof.
Wholesale tuna here usually is about $1- $2 a pound........not worth going.......now they are around $8 a pound.........going tuna fishing :2vrolijk_21:
This one was 114 lbs
I got some nice dolphin fillets at the fresh market last night for $11/lb...Last time I went fishing for em it was about $40...Yeah, I like chartering better now...
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When will the hydrogen fuel cell SE be released?? :P :coolblue:
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When will the hydrogen fuel cell SE be released?? :P :coolblue:
soon as they figure how to make something that doesnt leak.
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If the dollar has lost 64 cents to the euro over the last 3 years, wouldn't it somehow make sense that the cost of everything we compete for on the world market would cost a lot more?
If the import car manufacturers weren't adjusting the cost of their cars here a car built in Europe or Japan would have to cost 30% more too.
When the "real" price of things other than fuel hits us, it will be interesting to see how well big corporate exporting of jobs offshore will effect our economy.
Many importers are looking to the USA for the location of their next factories because their costs are lower here now than at home.
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If the dollar has lost 64 cents to the euro over the last 3 years, wouldn't it somehow make sense that the cost of everything we compete for on the world market would cost a lot more?
If the import car manufacturers weren't adjusting the cost of their cars here a car built in Europe or Japan would have to cost 30% more too.
When the "real" price of things other than fuel hits us, it will be interesting to see how well big corporate exporting of jobs offshore will effect our economy.
Many importers are looking to the USA for the location of their next factories because their costs are lower here now than at home.
We exist is a world wide economy. That's why protectionism measures usually fail miserably on a long term basis.
Inflation in food prices has already begun. Manufacturers absorb as much as they can initially, but these costs (fuel, energy, corn, etc.) will be passed along. Higher inflation (from a historical perspective say 8-10%) is possible, depending upon interest rates and.... consumer spending.
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To answer another question, the oil that produces most of our gas (petrol for cars that is) is home produced, from our North Sea Oilfields as they produce a light crude that's particularly suited to gas production. The rest is all imported.
Jim
If even some of the stats commonly put out are close to accurate you've got it tougher ahead sooner then we do to. I saved a "Guardian" article from a few years ago that made a lot of noise saying:
"UK gets 32% of its electricity from coal, 23% from nuclear38% from gas and 4% from oil. By 2020, only one of the present nuclear plants will be operating and both Norway and the UK will be out of natural gas"
It's no wonder the Government is looking at nuclear again. The North Sea fields are beginning to wind down. No new discoveries are on the regional horizon it seems. All that has to make someone feel all warm and fuzzy about the atom.
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If even some of the stats commonly put out are close to accurate you've got it tougher ahead sooner then we do to. I saved a "Guardian" article from a few years ago that made a lot of noise saying:
"UK gets 32% of its electricity from coal, 23% from nuclear38% from gas and 4% from oil. By 2020, only one of the present nuclear plants will be operating and both Norway and the UK will be out of natural gas"
It's no wonder the Government is looking at nuclear again. The North Sea fields are beginning to wind down. No new discoveries are on the regional horizon it seems. All that has to make someone feel all warm and fuzzy about the atom.
Yes, you've hit the nail right on the head, Don. Already much of our natural gas (we don't mains gas here, hence the propane bottles) is from Russia, as North Sea gas is running out, and the oil is winding down. Our coal industry - once one of the main industries in Scotland is dead and gone (same story in Wales, where it was big too), so the coal fired power stations are burning imported coal too. In Scotland at least we have a degree of Hydro Electricity, but energy wise, dire times lie ahead. Not sure I'd like the world my kids will see when they are the age I am now - thankfully, I'll be gone.
Jim
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Big B....with the cost of fuel, look out for seafood prices to go through the roof.
Wholesale tuna here usually is about $1- $2 a pound........not worth going.......now they are around $8 a pound.........going tuna fishing :2vrolijk_21:
This one was 114 lbs
How do you catch them in the driveway like that...with you hands and all...bet you save a lot in gas if you can catch 'em in the driveway.
Seegarz :confused5: :nixweiss: :huepfenlol2:
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Big B....with the cost of fuel, look out for seafood prices to go through the roof.
Wholesale tuna here usually is about $1- $2 a pound........not worth going.......now they are around $8 a pound.........going tuna fishing :2vrolijk_21:
This one was 114 lbs
HOG- Thats a beautifull boat. Lets go to baja. Ill buy the gas
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How do you catch them in the driveway like that...with you hands and all...bet you save a lot in gas if you can catch 'em in the driveway.
Seegarz :confused5: :nixweiss: :huepfenlol2:
You have to be good...damn good :2vrolijk_21:
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HOG- Thats a beautifull boat. Lets go to baja. Ill buy the gas
Don'k know if I could afford to get it there :nixweiss:......but once there......theirs always money for fishing fuel :2vrolijk_21:
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Yes, you've hit the nail right on the head, Don. Already much of our natural gas (we don't mains gas here, hence the propane bottles) is from Russia, as North Sea gas is running out, and the oil is winding down. Our coal industry - once one of the main industries in Scotland is dead and gone (same story in Wales, where it was big too), so the coal fired power stations are burning imported coal too. In Scotland at least we have a degree of Hydro Electricity, but energy wise, dire times lie ahead. Not sure I'd like the world my kids will see when they are the age I am now - thankfully, I'll be gone.
Jim
Some of your own Defence Ministry analyses on future security implications are actually very worrying. Potential consequences without some significant intervention between now and then (without regard to when "then" actually is) make 1974 look like going on holiday.
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Oh God I have to think out loud here....trying to get the correct props on the boat last weekend
fuel...$3.75 a gallon for diesel at the dock
Boat ran 36.5 kts = 43.8 mph
Fuel burn at 43.8 mph = 104 gph
which makes us getting .4211538 mpg
ran the boat for 7 hours @ 104 gph = 728 gallons @ $3.75 a gallon = $2730
props are wrong....have to try another set this weekend
Anyone want to buy a boat....$1.5M
Luckily I just sold my 52 Viking last week. The buyer filled up to take the boat home to Miami last week, 1,645 gals. @ $4.05. I hated to see the boat go but knowing I'd only left 155 gals in the tanks took some of the sting out.
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Sadly, the least of the problem is the cost of gasoline here in the States (at least so far). Even at the current national average price, gasoline is still relatively cheap compared to most parts of the world. Many of us can offset the increased cost by reducing unnecessary trips and making small adjustments elsewhere in the budget. Unfortunately, that method doesn't help in the really important areas like food prices or keeping warm in the winter. Ask the poor around the world how it feels to have their daily rations cut in half due to food price increases and shortages, all tied in one way or another to the high prices for oil. There have been riots already in some countries, and I would expect to see many more. I think I remember many of us commenting in a different thread last year about the fallacy of diverting so much grain to ethanol production and how that would distort the market for both human and animal food. Well, it didn't take long for the down side to become reality, and on a worldwide scale.
I swear it feels like déjà vu all over again. For those old enough to remember, it's starting to look a little like the 1970's. Inflation, recession, unemployment, shortages, etc., all tied in one way or another to oil.
Jerry
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Sadly, the least of the problem is the cost of gasoline here in the States (at least so far). Even at the current national average price, gasoline is still relatively cheap compared to most parts of the world. Many of us can offset the increased cost by reducing unnecessary trips and making small adjustments elsewhere in the budget. Unfortunately, that method doesn't help in the really important areas like food prices or keeping warm in the winter. Ask the poor around the world how it feels to have their daily rations cut in half due to food price increases and shortages, all tied in one way or another to the high prices for oil. There have been riots already in some countries, and I would expect to see many more. I think I remember many of us commenting in a different thread last year about the fallacy of diverting so much grain to ethanol production and how that would distort the market for both human and animal food. Well, it didn't take long for the down side to become reality, and on a worldwide scale.
I swear it feels like déjà vu all over again. For those old enough to remember, it's starting to look a little like the 1970's. Inflation, recession, unemployment, shortages, etc., all tied in one way or another to oil.
Jerry
Yeahhh, I remember it well. Gas went from about $.30 a gallon to over $.75 a gallon in a matter of months. And the USA was living in a double digit interest rates. Housing prices was going through the roof.
Seen this before, and I was hoping never to see it again.
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Some of your own Defence Ministry analyses on future security implications are actually very worrying. Potential consequences without some significant intervention between now and then (without regard to when "then" actually is) make 1974 look like going on holiday.
Part of the problem is our "Britishness" here. We moan but do nothing.
Jim
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Part of the problem is our "Britishness" here. We moan but do nothing.
Jim
We do the same here.
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We do the same here.
Yes, we both countries need to be more like the French - there the truck drivers would barricade the freeways and blockade the ports, and the students would riot. That's what's necessary to remind our govenrnments that they work for us, not the other way round! :-\
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Yeahhh, I remember it well. Gas went from about $.30 a gallon to over $.75 a gallon in a matter of months. And the USA was living in a double digit interest rates. Housing prices was going through the roof.
Seen this before, and I was hoping never to see it again.
Yeah wasn't that 1972? Jimmy Carter and company? OPEC went nuts too! :coolblue:
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Yeah wasn't that 1972? Jimmy Carter and company? OPEC went nuts too! :coolblue:
1976 as i remember.
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1976 as i remember.
I thought you don't remember the 70's? :nixweiss: ;D ;D ;D
Hoist! 8)
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memory is a bit spotty.
In the 70's I:
- graduated high school
- got married
- moved to the big city (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan)
- moved to another big city (Vancouver, British Columbia)
- became a manager of my own store
- partied a lot - a lot, I think it was really a lot
- then I think I partied a little more
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I thought you don't remember the 70's? :nixweiss: ;D ;D ;D
Hoist! 8)
for some reason i remember peanut farmer, recession, billy beer and unemployment.
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for some reason i remember peanut farmer, recession, billy beer and unemployment.
What about the biggie at the time, Jimmy lusted in his heart for sweet young thangs?
That was a huge problem for him at the time, look how far we came in 20 years, slick willie gets bj's in office and it was totally acceptable.
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Yeah wasn't that 1972? Jimmy Carter and company? OPEC went nuts too! :coolblue:
As a result of perceived support for Israel in the 73 war OPEC embargoed. I was a twirp kid pumping gas in a Texaco station then. Twelve years old. The year before the height of the gas wars I'd walked out to the gas island with my red shop rag in my pocket dragging the ground and occasionally pumped fuel for 20 cents a gallon. In 74 after the effects of the embargo really took hold is when it all shot up.
The Brits had it hit harder than we did though. No major North Sea production yet. They went to three day work weeks in a lot of places. Really really tough. The response started the process that eventually got Maggie Thatcher elected though.
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From my point of view...
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purchased gas in QC,QC this morning. current CAD->USD is about 1:1 the pump shut of at $100 CAD and i wasnt full yet on a 24 gallon tank
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purchased gas in QC,QC this morning. current CAD->USD is about 1:1 the pump shut of at $100 CAD and i wasnt full yet on a 24 gallon tank
And I read that it's only going higher.
This will show my age, but I now spend more on fuel in a week that I earned at my first job!
And gas was 19 cents then.
:( :( :( :( :( :( :(
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And I read that it's only going higher.
This will show my age, but I now spend more on fuel in a week that I earned at my first job!
And gas was 19 cents then.
:( :( :( :( :( :( :(
I read $4+ by the 4th of July for 89 octane >:(
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I read $4+ by the 4th of July for 89 octane >:(
Which is why we will take the scooters to M/Beach.
They get 90 miles to the gallon.
:2vrolijk_21:
(yes, the two red ones!)
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Which is why we will take the scooters to M/Beach.
They get 90 miles to the gallon.
:2vrolijk_21:
(yes, the two red ones!)
I'd be afraid my fat a$$ would spin the rubber off on the way :huepfenlol2:
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hmmmm i just paid about $4.60/G
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hmmmm i just paid about $4.60/G
Stateside or the Great White North??
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Which is why we will take the scooters to M/Beach.
They get 90 miles to the gallon.
:2vrolijk_21:
(yes, the two red ones!)
I remember getting 90 miles to the gallon. Not gas. Beer. A gallon would usually last for 90 miles or so, maybe even a hundred & sometimes more. Olden days, when one could drink & drive legally. :drink: :huepfenjump3:
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I heard about drive through beer and liquor stores in the south. Legal to drive as long the beverage was in a different container. That's funny. That's how I do it now.
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From my point of view...
Thats a good one Vgirl, sad thats it true, I didnt think we would see the day it took 20.00 to fill up a scoot
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I remember getting 90 miles to the gallon. Not gas. Beer. A gallon would usually last for 90 miles or so, maybe even a hundred & sometimes more. Olden days, when one could drink & drive legally. :drink: :huepfenjump3:
1gal-90mi what a light weight :nixweiss: :drink:
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Stateside or the Great White North??
great white north, still very much white
(http://drej.naitram.net/albums/quebec_city_apr_08/IMG_3580.sized.jpg)
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I'd be afraid my fat a$$ would spin the rubber off on the way :huepfenlol2:
:worthless: :worthless: :worthless:
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And I read that it's only going higher.
This will show my age, but I now spend more on fuel in a week that I earned at my first job!
And gas was 19 cents then.
:( :( :( :( :( :( :(
I remember when you told me how much diesel you go through in a week, Chip. Still, it took me a month to make that much on my first job............and that wasn't too terribly long after your's.
I'm not at all looking forward to the trip to the diesel pump tomorrow.
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I drive a diesel work truck all day, from monday to friday.
Friday I filled up at 4.09 per gallon. It now costs my company
over 110.00 per day to run the truck. Good thing I don't
have to pay for it.
Mark.
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And I read that it's only going higher.
This will show my age, but I now spend more on fuel in a week that I earned at my first job!
And gas was 19 cents then.
:( :( :( :( :( :( :(
I definately remember .33 gallons (.37 on the interstate) when $5 got you 14 gallons and I was making $1.60 an hour pumpin it-
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I definately remember .33 gallons (.37 on the interstate) when $5 got you 14 gallons and I was making $1.60 an hour pumpin it-
AHHHHHHHHHH
The ol $1.60 an hour days.
I thought I was rich!
:2vrolijk_21:
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AHHHHHHHHHH
The ol $1.60 an hour days.
I thought I was rich!
:2vrolijk_21:
Yeah I remember- thank goodness I was too young to buy beer! $64 bucks for 40 hours before taxes :coolblue:
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$4.19 for premium in Pine Valley California today.
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$4.19 for premium in Pine Valley California today.
s-h-h-h-h-hh still $3;39 at Costco today
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Yeah I remember- thank goodness I was too young to buy beer! $64 bucks for 40 hours before taxes :coolblue:
We had a bootlegger that would sale us Buckhorn beer for 1.65 a case :pepper: man I would not even get near that beer today
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1gal-90mi what a light weight :nixweiss: :drink:
We had to stop to unload excess beer, which cut into our driving time. :nixweiss:
Almost every afternoon about 3 would get a 6 pack for the drive to wherever - perfectly legal then. Never seemed to get hot either. :drink:
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$180 Gas bill on the Credit card this month...JUST for the motorcycles. $7.50 here, $8.95 there....$10.31...
That's pitiful!
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$180 Gas bill on the Credit card this month...JUST for the motorcycles. $7.50 here, $8.95 there....$10.31...
That's pitiful!
Pitiful that you had at least 18 trips around the loop. Sounds like fun.
:coolblue: :cherry:
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Pitiful that you had at least 18 trips around the loop. Sounds like fun.
:coolblue: :cherry:
Yea my Shell bill was not nearly that big! :coolblue:
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Wow this thread has really generated some thoughts and feelings. As Jim said we are really starting to pay through the nose for all our fuel and power usage. I have just had an increase (again) on my monthly charge for gas & electric to $334.00 a month. I reckon my diesel bills for the car are now around $900.00 - $1,000.00 a month and we pay about $100.00 a month for our water/sewerage charges. We also pay tax to our local Council (for services and amenities) of $420.00 a month. I don't count the fuel bill for the bike!
Then we get to live a little.................................................... :nervous:
Nige
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Well, I was out and about yesterday and about drove off the road when I saw $4.33 a gallon for diesel. There is clearly no end to the rising price, especially now that we have "clean" diesel.
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Well, I was out and about yesterday and about drove off the road when I saw $4.33 a gallon for diesel. There is clearly no end to the rising price, especially now that we have "clean" diesel.
Somebody's got to pay for the Palaces being built in the Middle East and for the totalitarian rule of scumbags like Hugo Chavez. :oops: :nixweiss: >:(
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There is clearly no end to the rising price, especially now that we have "clean" diesel.
Same here now, RJ: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7347142.stm
Jim
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Oil just went over $113.00 this AM.
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Oil just went over $113.00 this AM.
Forecast is for $160.00 by the Fall.
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Well, I was out and about yesterday and about drove off the road when I saw $4.33 a gallon for diesel. There is clearly no end to the rising price, especially now that we have "clean" diesel.
Was talking with a friend that has an 08 and he needs the "Clean" stuff.
Didn't realize it was hard to get!
And I thought the regular diesel was expensive.
Time to try the cooking oil!
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Was talking with a friend that has an 08 and he needs the "Clean" stuff.
Didn't realize it was hard to get!
And I thought the regular diesel was expensive.
Time to try the cooking oil!
:nixweiss:
Maybe it's Washington law all I see here is the new stuff. Don't think cooking oil will help you, BIO is big here and is now over $5.00 a gallon.
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it is getting absurd , jumped up 50 cents a callon in the last few months
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it is getting absurd , jumped up 50 cents a callon in the last few months
Totally agree, look at you 1,000 on the next post :2vrolijk_21:
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Just had a young fellow that works for a company that does oil exploration/drilling leave my office - he just bought an 2008 Chevrolet K2500 diesel w/ every possible bell & whistle. He was very happy because he got a significant pay rai$e yesterday, which (according to him) was a result of oil hitting $112 per barrel.
I think we're screwed! :'(
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The only people that will be able to afford fuel will be people that are profiting off the increases. :( >:(
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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The only people that will be able to afford fuel will be people that are profiting off the increases. :( >:(
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
I think I'll start a car pool incentive at the dealership.
Maybe give $25.00 to car poolers per month. :nixweiss:
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The only people that will be able to afford fuel will be people that are profiting off the increases. :( >:(
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Exactly!
I remember suggesting giving the oil execs a choice of lowering the prices or getting their balls cut off in public.
Bet prices would go down then!
How many billions does the oil companies make every second?
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I think I'll start a car pool incentive at the dealership.
Maybe give $25.00 to car poolers per month. :nixweiss:
I'm sure it would be appreciated. :2vrolijk_21: Come to think of it this has to be affecting you as a dealership owner also. Test drives are becoming more expense every day for you. :(
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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I'm sure it would be appreciated. :2vrolijk_21: Come to think of it this has to be affecting you as a dealership owner also. Test drives are becoming more expense every day for you. :(
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Test drives aren't an issue but we fill each car we deliver.
So much for a $100.00 over invoice, that won't cover a tank of gas anymore :huepfenlol2:
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Damn... Guess the days of the promotional "Free Fill-up/Car Wash" with service are long gone. :(
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
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Damn... Guess the days of the promotional "Free Fill-up/Car Wash" with service are long gone. :(
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
We can handle the washes.............. :2vrolijk_21:
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Oh, forgot you guys get lots of rain. No water rationing there. ;D
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
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Hate to bring this up but,
With fuel prices up 40% can you imagine the price of an 09 Harley.
RUT ROH!
:o
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Oh, forgot you guys get lots of rain. No water rationing there. ;D
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Snowfall is already over 50% above normal and the pass was gettin up to 6 inches last night with more expected throughout the week.
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If damn fuel wasn't so expensive it would be worthwhile to truck the excess water to the drought stricken states.
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
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Hate to bring this up but,
With fuel prices up 40% can you imagine the price of an 09 Harley.
RUT ROH!
:o
Sooner or later we are "really" going to get hit with the loss of strength in the dollar. Steel is more, rubber is more, hell everything is more. It truly has to impact cost of goods soon.
The only way for it not to impact bike prices is for HD to absorb the loss of profit and who knows how long they can do that to hold pricing. If they raise prices too much it will affect volume even more and then it begins the spiral down that leads us to recession because it won't be only the MoCo that has the issue, we will see it (and are seeing it) throughout the entire spectrum of business.
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If damn fuel wasn't so expensive it would be worthwhile to truck the excess water to the drought stricken states.
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Funny thing is with gloabal warming we are having a 100 or even 200 year event.
Although snow depths are at records, the water yield is not as this snow was very light and does not contain as much water volume. Go figure :nixweiss:
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Funny thing is with gloabal warming we are having a 100 or even 200 year event.
Although snow depths are at records, the water yield is not as this snow was very light and does not contain as much water volume. Go figure :nixweiss:
Rog
You think we should sell the bikes and buy us a used KLR650 and head for the hills.
When I look around I sometimes think that's a good plan.
At 60 miles to the gallon and go anywhere it might work best!
:nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss:
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Rog
You think we should sell the bikes and buy us a used KLR650 and head for the hills.
When I look around I sometimes think that's a good plan.
At 60 miles to the gallon and go anywhere it might work best!
:nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss:
No, but it might be wise to bury a 5,000 gallon fuel tank in the hills for a private stash.
We all may be planting victory gardens again soon too.
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No, but it might be wise to bury a 5,000 gallon fuel tank in the hills for a private stash.
We all may be planting victory gardens again soon too.
Hmmmm, reminds me of the Mad Max movies.
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
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Hmmmm, reminds me of the Mad Max movies.
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
1984
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a bit long but a classic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TL4XZdyo3g
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a bit long but a classic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TL4XZdyo3g
Those were the days!
What year was that?
Mel must be getting fairly old by now!
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Those were the days!
What year was that?
Mel must be getting fairly old by now!
:nixweiss:
1979 for Mad Max, Road Warrior 1981
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No, but it might be wise to bury a 5,000 gallon fuel tank in the hills for a private stash.
We all may be planting victory gardens again soon too.
Remember reading that John Denver did that. Considering the escalating price of gas, it has as much potential as the stock market for return on investment.
Food prices are on the rise for the obvious reasons - corn diversion to ethanol & energy cost increases. Victory gardens - nothing like some good fresh 'maters. Mmmmmm.....
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No, but it might be wise to bury a 5,000 gallon fuel tank in the hills for a private stash.
Wasn't that what made John Denver very unpopular with his neighbours?
Jim
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Wasn't that what made John Denver very unpopular with his neighbours?
Jim
I'd rather have a neighbor with a gasoline stash than experimental airplanes.
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I'd rather have a neighbor with a gasoline stash than experimental airplanes.
I'm not sure about that one Jim. Which one would make a bigger bang and hole, small experimental plane or a 5000 gallon fuel tank?
I was thinking more along the lines of parking one of those gasoline tankers out in front of the house. Much easier than digging a big ol' hole for an inground tank and then running power for pumps. Might piss off the neighbors, but I was looking through the deed restrictions and didn't find anything specifically saying I couldn't park a tanker out front. I guess I could rig up a little cammo to make it look like a Winebago?
Jerry
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a 5000 gallon fuel tank?
I gasp for air every time I fill up the car with gas... I don't even want to know what body parts I would have to sell to get that thing filled.
However it would be nice to have gas delievered to your door. The our version of a Milk Man. Could the driver be wearing daisy dukes or would that be against OSHA.
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$115 to fill yesterday on the F250...
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$115 to fill yesterday on the F250...
Wow, that's taking it dry.......the hard way
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I gasp for air every time I fill up the car with gas... I don't even want to know what body parts I would have to sell to get that thing filled.
However it would be nice to have gas delievered to your door. The our version of a Milk Man. Could the driver be wearing daisy dukes or would that be against OSHA.
I think I'd hire the UPS girl myself.....................she's got a good dr........er uh, I mean she's a good driver. ::)
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I think I'd hire the UPS girl myself.....................she's got a good dr........er uh, I mean she's a good driver. ::)
looks like she has a well rounded resume, but what about hands on experience....
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looks like she has a well rounded resume, but what about hands on experience....
I'd like to volunteer to give her a hands on experience......
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I think I'd hire the UPS girl myself.....................she's got a good dr........er uh, I mean she's a good driver. ::)
What City, County, or State does she work in, I need a delivery here. :huepfenlol2:
Uhh....Give her a parcel.
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What City, County, or State does she work in, I need a delivery here. :huepfenlol2:
Uhh....Give her a parcel.
Heck with the parcel, give the WHOLE thing!
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Heck with the parcel, give the WHOLE thing!
The whole load? :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss: ::) ;D ;)
Hoist! 8)
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The whole load? :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss: ::) ;D ;)
Hoist! 8)
It was a reach but, for the sake of the post, partial = parcel
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I'd like to volunteer to give her a hands on experience......
Sorry the hands on girl if you recall is in the beer thread,
(http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=20427.0;attach=60904;image)
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I think I'd hire the UPS girl myself.....................she's got a good dr........er uh, I mean she's a good driver. ::)
Do you think she likes leaded or unleaded?
Either way I bet the pump would soon run dry !
;)
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Do you think she likes leaded or unleaded?
Either way I bet the pump would soon run dry !
;)
Have to hose her down, to get all that sand off ::)
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Have to hose her down, to get all that sand off ::)
I dont know she looks like she needs a good scubing by hand.... I am all about detail....
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I dont know she looks like she needs a good scubing by hand.... I am all about detail....
How does that scubing thing go ?? do you need a snorkel?
Nige
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I don't know, butt it looks like it could crack walnuts if need be....
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How does that scubing thing go ?? do you need a snorkel?
Nige
now I ment scrubbing but that snorkel does sound interesting.... do I get to wear the flippers too?
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Filled the F-350 yesterday 33 gallons 137.00 ouch, guess the only bright side is, I will be riding the bikes more :nixweiss:
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Filled the F-350 yesterday 33 gallons 137.00 ouch, guess the only bright side is, I will be riding the bikes more :nixweiss:
Would have cost you $350.00 over here :o
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now I ment scrubbing but that snorkel does sound interesting.... do I get to wear the flippers too?
Depends how deep you are going......................... :D
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We just got word tonight that gas here is going up to $1.20 per liter... that's a whopping $4.54 a gallon for you folks down south!
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Would have cost you $350.00 over here :o
Would that be if one used the devalued US$ as opposed to another currency? Or is the price of petrol that much more? spyder
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We just got word tonight that gas here is going up to $1.20 per liter... that's a whopping $4.54 a gallon for you folks down south!
Don't fret to hard, we down south will be there soon, Trust Me. :(
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I saw $4.49 a gallon for diesel today and reg. $3.79.
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I saw $4.49 a gallon for diesel today and reg. $3.79.
At these rapidly rising prices, we'll all start re-thinking some things. Like, do I need to lose my beer gut to 'lighten' the load and increase my mileage? :nixweiss: har! spyder
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At these rapidly rising prices, we'll all start re-thinking some things. Like, do I need to lose my beer gut to 'lighten' the load and increase my mileage? :nixweiss: har! spyder
Spyder, I'm taking a completely different tack. The high price of fuel is why the SERG must get dyno tuned this weekend. It's not curiosity. It's not a desire to get it dialed in just because it'll be fun. It's all about economy and the environment. A well tuned bike runs cleaner and gets better MPG. Really ::) .
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Spyder, I'm taking a completely different tack. The high price of fuel is why the SERG must get dyno tuned this weekend. It's not curiosity. It's not a desire to get it dialed in just because it'll be fun. It's all about economy and the environment. A well tuned bike runs cleaner and gets better MPG. Really ::) .
Twolane you will always have a calling in politics! Absolutely no one can sling the BS better than you my friend! Well maybe... Hilla...ahhh no make that Obam..... Never mind you get it. Thanks for the laughs. I have an appointment for dyno too and I like this excus...errr reason better :) :coolblue:
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Twolane you will always have a calling in politics! Absolutely no one can sling the BS better than you my friend! Well maybe... Hilla...ahhh no make that Obam..... Never mind you get it. Thanks for the laughs. I have an appointment for dyno too and I like this excus...errr reason better :) :coolblue:
I'm with Capo here... there are times I have had the need to enlist the assistance of a Twolane interpretor just to understand WTF he's saying. He slicker than Slick Willie :bananarock: :nixweiss:
Howie
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I'm with Capo here... there are times I have had the need to enlist the assistance of a Twolane interpretor just to understand WTF he's saying. He slicker than Slick Willie :bananarock: :nixweiss:
Howie
I think thats his excuse for a dyno tune :bananarock: then he is going to say I also had to buy these two pieces of chrome to help on the airdrag and fuel mileage :pepper:
Twolanerider for President :2vrolijk_21: hey thats better than the others I have seen running :nixweiss:
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A recent study found that the average American golfer walks about 900 miles a year.
Another study found American golfers drink, on average, 22 gallons of alcohol a year.
That means, on the average, American golfers get about 41 miles to the gallon.
Kind of makes you proud!
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You guys are lucky,here in Belgium $2.20 per liter that is $ 8.36 for a gallon.
Ride safe
Boubou
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A recent study found that the average American golfer walks about 900 miles a year.
Another study found American golfers drink, on average, 22 gallons of alcohol a year.
That means, on the average, American golfers get about 41 miles to the gallon.
Kind of makes you proud!
So does this mean we could get better mileage for the bikes out of grain alcohol fuel :huepfenjump3:
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You guys are lucky,here in Belgium $2.20 per liter that is $ 8.36 for a gallon.
Ride safe
Boubou
I hear ya, I have traveled a lot and when I see prices like you have it makes me glad to get back home, but I feel our day is on the way.
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You guys are lucky,here in Belgium $2.20 per liter that is $ 8.36 for a gallon.
Ride safe
Boubou
It's all in perspective I guess. It's roughly 3,000 miles coast to coast in this great land. That many miles from Belgium and you'd be in Outer Mongolia.
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Would that be if one used the devalued US$ as opposed to another currency? Or is the price of petrol that much more? spyder
Thats working out the value at $2 to £1 Spyd.
Nige
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Here is an email that was sent to me, thought some of you may find it interesting.
TIPS ON PUMPING GAS
I don't know what you guys are paying for gasoline.... but here in California
we are also paying higher, up to $4.00 per gallon. But my line of work is in
petroleum for about 31 years now, so here are some tricks to get more of your
money's worth for every gallon..
Here at the Kinder Morgan Pipeline where I work in San Jose, CA we deliver about
4 million gallons in a 24-hour period thru the pipeline. One day is diesel the
next day is jet fuel, and gasoline, regular and premium grades. We have
34-storage tanks here with a total capacity of 16,800,000 gallons.
Only buy or fill up your car or truck in the early morning when the ground
temperature is still cold. Remember that all service stations have their
storage tanks buried below ground. The colder the ground the more dense the
gasoline, when it gets warmer gasoline expands, so buying in th
e afternoon or in
the evening....your gallon is not exactly a gallon. In the petroleum business,
the specific gravity and the temperature of the gasoline, diesel and jet fuel,
ethanol and other petroleum products plays an important role.
A 1-degree rise in temperature is a big deal for this business. But the service
stations do not have temperature compensation at the pumps.
When you're filling up do not squeeze the trigger of the nozzle to a fast mode.
If you look you will see that the trigger has three (3) stages: low, middle, and
high. In slow mode you should be pumping on low speed, thereby minimizing the
vapors that are created while you are pumping. All hoses at the pump have a
vapor return. If you are pumping on the fast rate, some other liquid that goes
to your tank becomes vapor. Those vapors are being sucked up and back into the
underground st storage tank so you're getting less worth for your money
.
One of the most important tips is to fill up when your gas tank is HALF FULL or
HALF EMPTY. The reason for this is, the more gas you have in your tank the less
air occupying its empty space. Gasoline evaporates faster than you can imagine.
Gasoline storage tanks have an internal floating roof. This roof serves as zero
clearance between the gas and the atmosphere, so it minimizes the evaporation.
Unlike service stations, here where I work, every truck that we load is
temperature compensated so that every gallon is actually the exact amount.
Another reminder, if there is a gasoline truck pumping into the storage tanks
when you stop to buy gas, DO NOT fill up--most likely the gasoline is being
stirred up as the gas is being delivered, and you might pick up some of the d
irt that normally settles on the bottom. Hope this will help you get the most
value for your money.
PLEASE, DO SHARE THESE
TIPS WITH OTHERS!
WHERE TO BUY USA GAS:
Gas rationing in the 80's worked even though we grumbled about it. It might even
be good for us! The Saudis are boycotting American goods. We should return the
favor.
An interesting thought is to boycott their GAS.
Every time you fill up the car, you can avoid putting more money into the
coffers of Saudi Arabia. Just buy from gas companies that don't import their
oil from the Saudis.
Nothing is more frustrating than the feeling that every time I fill-up the tank,
I am sending my money to people who are trying to kill me, my family, and my
friends.
I thought it might be interesting for you to know which oil companies are the
best to buy gas from and which major companies import Middle Eastern oil.
These companies import Middle Eastern oil:
Shell........................... 205,742,000 barrels
Chevron/Texaco......... 144,332,000 barrels
Exxon/Mobil............... 130,082,000 barrels
Marathon/Speedway... 117,740,000 barrels
Amoco............................62,231,000 barrels
Citgo gas is from South America, from a Dictator who hates Americans. If you do
the math at $30/barrel, these imports amount to over $18 BILLION! (oil is now
$90 - $100 a barrel
Here are some large companies that do not import Middle Eastern oil:
Sunoco..................0 barrels
Conoco..................0 barrels
Sinclair..................0 barrels
BP/Phillips.............0 barrels
Hess......................0 barrels
ARC0.....................0 barrels
All of this information is available from the Department of Energy and each is
required to state where they get their oil and how much they are importing.
But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of gas buyers. It's
really simple to do.
Now, don't wimp out a
t this point.... keep reading and I'll explain how simple
it is to reach millions of people!!
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The way my scooter sucks gas, I'm glad to get it from anywhere. :smartass: :evilgrin: har! spyder
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The way my scooter sucks gas, I'm glad to get it from anywhere. :smartass: :evilgrin: har! spyder
The way I look at it while we can lets pay more and use up all thiers and save our hehehehe
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I try to purchase my fuel needs from the Kwick Fill/Red Apple chain. They claim its all from North America. The way I look at it we have sacrificed the blood of many men and women in the pursuit of black gold. I do what I can to not send them my cash in the form of fuel revenue as well. (Probably makes as much sense as pissing in the wind but :nixweiss:)
United Refining Company - http://www.urc.com/
Nearly 300 locations in PA, NY, & Ohio
100% North American Crude Oil
American Made Gasoline
Driving America!
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The price of Gas versus Printer Ink
All these examples do NOT imply that gasoline is cheap; it just illustrates
how outrageous some prices are....
You will be really shocked by the last one!
(At least, I was...)
Compared with Gasoline......
Think a gallon of gas is expensive?
This makes one think, and also puts things in perspective.
Diet Snapple 16 oz $1.29 ... $10.32 per gallon
Lipton Ice Tea 16 oz $1.19 ..........$9.52 per gallon
Gatorade 20 oz $1.59 ..... $10.17 per gallon
Ocean Spray 16 oz $1.25 ......... $10.00 per gallon
Brake Fluid 12 oz $3.15 ...... $33.60 per gallon
Vick's Nyquil 6 oz $8.35 ... $178.13 per gallon
Pepto Bismol 4 oz $3.85 .. $123.20 per gallon
Whiteout 7 oz $1.39 ....... . $25.42 per gallon
Scope 1.5 oz $0.99 .....$84.48 per gallon
And this is the REAL KICKER...
Evian water 9 oz $1.49..$21.19 per gallon! $21.19 for WATER and the buyers
don't even know the source
(Evian spelled backwards is Naive.)
Ever wonder why printers are so cheap?
So they have you hooked for the ink.
Someone calculated the cost of the ink at...............
(you won't believe it....but it is true........)
$5,200 a gal. (five thousand two hundred dollars)
So, the next time you're at the pump,be glad your car doesn't run on water,
Scope, or Whiteout, Pepto Bismol, Nyquil or God forbid, Printer Ink!
Just a little humour to help ease the pain of your next trip to the pump...
And - If you don't pass this along to at least one person,
your muffler will fall off!!
Okay, your muffler won't really fall off...but, you might run out of toilet
paper
Have a great day.
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Sorry, Don't make me feel any better about $4.00 diesel :-\
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Sorry, Don't make me feel any better about $4.00 diesel :-\
Diesel broke $4.50 a gallon here yesterday. We'd love $4.
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As gas moves toward $5/gl, the price point we are happy with moves upward. A few years ago, we griped about $1 a gallon for premium. Now we would be happy as heck with $2 for premium. Consumers have a way of adjusting cost expectations, and marketers know it & take advantage of it.
If we were to stop buying gas/diesel except for ABSOLUTE necessities, the price would fall. Nobody much doing that - yet.
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As long as the war goes on and everything we use over there is diesel the demand is huge so the price will keep going up.
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As gas moves toward $5/gl, the price point we are happy with moves upward. A few years ago, we griped about $1 a gallon for premium. Now we would be happy as heck with $2 for premium. Consumers have a way of adjusting cost expectations, and marketers know it & take advantage of it.
If we were to stop buying gas/diesel except for ABSOLUTE necessities, the price would fall. Nobody much doing that - yet.
Right you are ISKI. I am doing my part to help lower the price of diesel. My truck has been parked in the garage - probably hasn't been driven 1K miles in the past six months. Been driving the car since it gets 30 mpg and riding the bike as much as I can.
Will be pulling the 37ft (14K lbs) toyhauler Thursday on a short trip. THAT's GOING TO BE EXPENSIVE!
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I guess we can all hope that the Barnett Shale in Texas and the new found assement of the Bakken Formation will help us out on gas prices in the near future. I feel we are going to see 150 dollar a barrel oil by years end. I just hope our lifting cost per barrel can be held down, and the good ol EPA backs off a little on refinery specs :nixweiss:
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Right you are ISKI. I am doing my part to help lower the price of diesel. My truck has been parked in the garage - probably hasn't been driven 1K miles in the past six months. Been driving the car since it gets 30 mpg and riding the bike as much as I can.
Will be pulling the 37ft (14K lbs) toyhauler Thursday on a short trip. THAT's GOING TO BE EXPENSIVE!
Know several who have RV's parked instead of rolling for their spring trips. Do the same as you - ride the bike as much as possible - it's more fun anyway.
Every gas station here in the Bug Infested Jungle State seems to have cars/trucks/rv's/boats lined up to buy gas most of the time. Constantly - even large stations with 20 pumps.
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Know several who have RV's parked instead of rolling for their spring trips. Do the same as you - ride the bike as much as possible - it's more fun anyway.
Every gas station here in the Bug Infested Jungle State seems to have cars/trucks/rv's/boats lined up to buy gas most of the time. Constantly - even large stations with 20 pumps.
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I sure would hate to be in RV or boat sales right now. People that have RV's & boats are probably going to use them since they already have them, but it might be hard to sell the new ones.
I have actually thought about selling my truck and 5th wheel toyhauler. Not sure it makes much sense for me to own it and only use it 4 or 5 times a year.
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I wouldn't be using an RV or boat if I had them. I'd trade both for a sail boat. My buddy has a 33ft cutter with a 22HP diesel he fills once a season. He brings food and beer every friday and stays on it the whole weekend. From his mooring in the 1,000 Isles, he can get nearly anywhere in the world.
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I sure would hate to be in RV or boat sales right now. People that have RV's & boats are probably going to use them since they already have them, but it might be hard to sell the new ones.
I have actually thought about selling my truck and 5th wheel toyhauler. Not sure it makes much sense for me to own it and only use it 4 or 5 times a year.
Camped a lot when younger & when early married. Kids went too. Now the BSR says hotel/motel/condo is as close to camping as she will get. maybe a nice cabin in a park sometimes, too.
I cannot cost justify the expense of fuel in an RV when I compare it to the average hotel/motel rate & get there by bike @ 35-40 mpg or better.
Was looking at toy haulers a year or so ago - when retired it might make sense for me.
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Camped a lot when younger & when early married. Kids went too. Now the BSR says hotel/motel/condo is as close to camping as she will get. maybe a nice cabin in a park sometimes, too.
I cannot cost justify the expense of fuel in an RV when I compare it to the average hotel/motel rate & get there by bike @ 35-40 mpg or better.
Was looking at toy haulers a year or so ago - when retired it might make sense for me.
We enjoy the toyhauler. It's nice to take it to the rallies we go to....."home away from home". We like having our own shower, king size bed, and A/C. We also like to take trips to areas where we like to ride and park in a RV park and then take day-trips on the bike using the RV as our home-base camp. Just probably won't take as many trips now :-\
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If it goes any higher, I'm quitting my job, pretending I don't speak English and getting everything free :soapbox:
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If it goes any higher, I'm quitting my job, pretending I don't speak English and getting everything free :soapbox:
i bet the local in socal would say you dont speak english with that Maine accent
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If it goes any higher, I'm quitting my job, pretending I don't speak English and getting everything free :soapbox:
Hola el Sr. Spiderman, es usted aquí recoger su cheque del bienestar hoy. Hacele quiere una tarjeta libre de seguro de enfermedad también.
Thats the premium talk, that aint border spinglish man hehehehe
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i bet the local in socal would say you dont speak english with that Maine accent
yeah and you should see the looks when I speak Canuck
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We enjoy the toyhauler. It's nice to take it to the rallies we go to....."home away from home". We like having our own shower, king size bed, and A/C. We also like to take trips to areas where we like to ride and park in a RV park and then take day-trips on the bike using the RV as our home-base camp. Just probably won't take as many trips now :-\
Toy hauler seems to me the best way to go. Will consider one later on maybe but if Mama is not in favor of one, ain't too damn likely. She spent too many weekends & vacations in a Winnebago on the side of lakes cleaning fish when she was a kid as best I can tell. Burned out on RVing at an early age, so we tent camped when we married & now motel "camp".
Lots & lots of great parks in your area - hope you get to use yours as much as you can.
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Toy hauler seems to me the best way to go. Will consider one later on maybe but if Mama is not in favor of one, ain't too damn likely. She spent too many weekends & vacations in a Winnebago on the side of lakes cleaning fish when she was a kid as best I can tell. Burned out on RVing at an early age, so we tent camped when we married & now motel "camp".
Lots & lots of great parks in your area - hope you get to use yours as much as you can.
Iski,
My wife was brought up the same way, minus the cleaning the fish stuff, and was totally against any sort of trailering. Then when the story about bed-bugs being disovered in hotel/motels, she decided that she'd rather be in a "controlled" envirionment, that she has the control over. We bought a 36ft toy hauler, and it's been no looking back. She loves it and can't wait until we can take it out. We're going to Pigeon Forge next month, I know it will cost us a small fortune in Diesel, but having your own place to call home on the road is more than worth it. I wouldn't give it up for the world. We may take less trips this year because of fuel costs, but we'll still go...and there are plenty of sites closer to us too, so that will always be an option. It's different when it's your wife's trailer and not her parents...trust me I know from what I'm speaking. ;)
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Iski,
My wife was brought up the same way, minus the cleaning the fish stuff, and was totally against any sort of trailering. Then when the story about bed-bugs being disovered in hotel/motels, she decided that she'd rather be in a "controlled" envirionment, that she has the control over. We bought a 36ft toy hauler, and it's been no looking back. She loves it and can't wait until we can take it out. We're going to Pigeon Forge next month, I know it will cost us a small fortune in Diesel, but having your own place to call home on the road is more than worth it. I wouldn't give it up for the world. We may take less trips this year because of fuel costs, but we'll still go...and there are plenty of sites closer to us too, so that will always be an option. It's different when it's your wife's trailer and not her parents...trust me I know from what I'm speaking. ;)
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We have RV'd with friends several times RD & she just isn't into it, like the young whippersnappers say. Been to some very beautiful RV settings too - Warm Springs Georgia State Park one evening that was just too beautiful for words.
She isn't fond of cooking when on vacation & she likes room service. I know, I spoiled her, but she has to put up with me so not sure who's really ahead in that deal. :nixweiss:
Most of our fun involves gasoline - bikes, cars, boat, etc. So I am not one to preach about petroleum abstinence. But it sounds good.
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We have RV'd with friends several times RD & she just isn't into it, like the young whippersnappers say. Been to some very beautiful RV settings too - Warm Springs Georgia State Park one evening that was just too beautiful for words.
She isn't fond of cooking when on vacation & she likes room service. I know, I spoiled her, but she has to put up with me so not sure who's really ahead in that deal. :nixweiss:
Most of our fun involves gasoline - bikes, cars, boat, etc. So I am not one to preach about petroleum abstinence. But it sounds good.
Understand Iski...it's not for everyone...I never thought my wife would get into it the way she did, but I guess now that she's the "queen" of the trailer, she loves it. It's her home away from home and with no hassles and stress about work. I've never seen her happier than when we're out in the toyhauler....and I got a pretty good deal with her when we go to Pigeon Forge....I promised her one day in Dollywood if we spent two days on the SEUC in the mountains. She agreed to that, making me think I got the better deal, but in actuality, she probably would have went with three days riding in the mountains...she loves being my BSR. Oh well, we get to ride, that's all I care, besides maybe if I'm lucky, Dolly will be there and can see if them thar hills are real or not. :P ::)
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Understand Iski...it's not for everyone...I never thought my wife would get into it the way she did, but I guess now that she's the "queen" of the trailer, she loves it. It's her home away from home and with no hassles and stress about work. I've never seen her happier than when we're out in the toyhauler....and I got a pretty good deal with her when we go to Pigeon Forge....I promised her one day in Dollywood if we spent two days on the SEUC in the mountains. She agreed to that, making me think I got the better deal, but in actuality, she probably would have went with three days riding in the mountains...she loves being my BSR. Oh well, we get to ride, that's all I care, besides maybe if I'm lucky, Dolly will be there and can see if them thar hills are real or not. :P ::)
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Very best of luck on your Dolly viewing opportunities, RD. Get too close & silicone exposure is a distinct possibility. :huepfenlol2:
Great area - great roads. Discussed another trip to Cade's Cove last Sunday with a group that may ride the Smokies in Sept. Love to ride those roads & so does my BSR. I heard Killboy had some shots of stuff on fire in the Deal's Gap area. A rice burner burnt up according to what I heard & caught the area on fire.
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Very best of luck on your Dolly viewing opportunities, RD. Get too close & silicone exposure is a distinct possibility. :huepfenlol2:
Great area - great roads. Discussed another trip to Cade's Cove last Sunday with a group that may ride the Smokies in Sept. Love to ride those roads & so does my BSR. I heard Killboy had some shots of stuff on fire in the Deal's Gap area. A rice burner burnt up according to what I heard & caught the area on fire.
I'm looking forward to getting up there...I've heard nothing but great things about that area, so hopefully, nothing stops us from getting there this year.
Here's a link to a thread on the forum about the fire on the Dragon. http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=22468.0 (http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=22468.0)
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A couple of years ago I was shopping for an RV and made the mistake of thinking Kathy would get into it. Her only comment was " you better make sure you can get that thing into the Hyatt and Ritz parking lots so you can drop me off and pick me up or you'll need that money for your divorce atty." I decided to quit looking at them. ;D
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A couple of years ago I was shopping for an RV and made the mistake of thinking Kathy would get into it. Her only comment was " you better make sure you can get that thing into the Hyatt and Ritz parking lots so you can drop me off and pick me up or you'll need that money for your divorce atty." I decided to quit looking at them. ;D
Yeah, I think that was a pretty good indication that she didn't want to get in to the trailer life thingy. ;) :huepfenlol2:
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A couple of years ago I was shopping for an RV and made the mistake of thinking Kathy would get into it. Her only comment was " you better make sure you can get that thing into the Hyatt and Ritz parking lots so you can drop me off and pick me up or you'll need that money for your divorce atty." I decided to quit looking at them. ;D
Went on several trips with friends with RVs. Set up at the RV parking area took awhile. Then cooking & cleaning caused her sound level to rise substantially, which is an indication of some damn thing relating to my eventual unhappiness usually. The take down process & clean up afterwards sealed the deal. But she will settle for something less than the Ritz so in that I suppose I am lucky, considering. ;D
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Toy hauler seems to me the best way to go. Will consider one later on maybe but if Mama is not in favor of one, ain't too damn likely. She spent too many weekends & vacations in a Winnebago on the side of lakes cleaning fish when she was a kid as best I can tell. Burned out on RVing at an early age, so we tent camped when we married & now motel "camp".
Lots & lots of great parks in your area - hope you get to use yours as much as you can.
Bubba_T and I checked out a used one yesterday. Does anyone know anything about Skyline Trailers . This one was a Rampage 302. Big sucker but kinda spartan on the inside. Couldn't find the year on any of the tags.
B B
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Went on several trips with friends with RVs. Set up at the RV parking area took awhile. Then cooking & cleaning caused her sound level to rise substantially, which is an indication of some damn thing relating to my eventual unhappiness usually. The take down process & clean up afterwards sealed the deal. But she will settle for something less than the Ritz so in that I suppose I am lucky, considering. ;D
That's sad fellas. There's nothing like sitting up til the wee hours of the night around a fire enjoying the libations then breakfast outdoors in the morning (with a bloody mary).
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Bubba_T and I checked out a used one yesterday. Does anyone know anything about Skyline Trailers . This one was a Rampage 302. Big sucker but kinda spartan on the inside. Couldn't find the year on any of the tags.
B B
Brian,
Don't know much about the Rampage, but here's a link to their website: http://www.skylinerv.com/product.php?brand=rampage®ion=®ion=sw (http://www.skylinerv.com/product.php?brand=rampage®ion=®ion=sw) . I have a Keystone Raptor, it's done up nicely inside, very comfortable.
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Brian,
Don't know much about the Rampage, but here's a link to their website: http://www.skylinerv.com/product.php?brand=rampage®ion=®ion=sw (http://www.skylinerv.com/product.php?brand=rampage®ion=®ion=sw) . I have a Keystone Raptor, it's done up nicely inside, very comfortable.
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Hit the website yesterday. The 302 is out of production, but we did look at some others. The virtual tour however was of the top of the line model. Anyway, Bubba's waiting for a call back from the owner
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That's sad fellas. There's nothing like sitting up til the wee hours of the night around a fire enjoying the libations then breakfast outdoors in the morning (with a bloody mary).
We used to do that tent camping. Younger days - better backs. Lots of fun - food always tastes better outdoors & so do libations. My BSR was a world champ at gathering firewood, too. Then again, room service at midnight has been known to be fun also..... :huepfenlol2:
BB - never used one, just looked at them. Nomad was one of the models I was considering - believe it's made by skyline.
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We used to do that tent camping. Younger days - better backs. Lots of fun - food always tastes better outdoors & so do libations. My BSR was a world champ at gathering firewood, too. Then again, room service at midnight has been known to be fun also..... :huepfenlol2:
BB - never used one, just looked at them. Nomad was one of the models I was considering - believe it's made by skyline.
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I have a 29 foot Travel Seeker for $6300-just needs a truck to haul it!
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I have a 29 foot Travel Seeker for $6300-just needs a truck to haul it!
No can do. My upper spending limit is fixed at $750.
;)
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Best of luck this is way beyond a pop-up. Head-shower-range-furnace-HW heater-yada yada :coolblue: :nixweiss:
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Best of luck this is way beyond a pop-up. Head-shower-range-furnace-HW heater-yada yada :coolblue: :nixweiss:
Spent one night in a friend's pop up. One night was enough. Kinda shaky and nothing... popped up. :huepfenlol2:
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Spent one night in a friend's pop up. One night was enough. Kinda shaky and nothing... popped up. :huepfenlol2:
They have stuff for that ED now! hhehehheh :huepfenlol2:
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They have stuff for that ED now! hhehehheh :huepfenlol2:
I see all those ads for ED, but my name's not ED. :nixweiss: :huepfenlol2:
Knew an older fellow who is retired now that always said his doc refused to subscribe Viagra for him since it would be like putting a flag pole on a condemned building. :confused5: ??? ::) :o 8)
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I see all those ads for ED, but my name's not ED. :nixweiss: :huepfenlol2:
Knew an older fellow who is retired now that always said his doc refused to subscribe Viagra for him since it would be like putting a flag pole on a condemned building. :confused5: ??? ::) :o 8)
Yeah okay ED, and they use a half pill in the old folks home to keep those guys from pi$$in on their shoes...
and a full pill so they don't roll out of bed :huepfenlol2:
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Yeah okay ED, and they use a half pill in the old folks home to keep those guys from pi$$in on their shoes...
and a full pill somthey don't roll out of bed :huepfenlol2:
It'll put lead in their pencils but they don't have anybody to write to. ;D
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I want everyone to say a prayer for Exxon/Mobil. This company is in real trouble. They only made 11 billion, thats with a B, last quarter. boycott Exxon buy from the local little guy.
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I filled up last night at the cheapest place in town .. $3.54 for regular
It's gone up almost 70 cents a gallon since february .. no doubt $4 by mid summer .. amazing
Now I'm riding my bike a lot more , and only use my truck when I have to
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April 19 a few of us ran down to Barber Motor Sports (Birmingham) to watch the races. Every place we filled up going down and back were at least .10 more than the previous station. The price of premium went up more than .30 during that two day period. Which is why my SRT10 is parked, I only use it when I absolutely have to, only gets 8 mpg. :(
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I want everyone to say a prayer for Exxon/Mobil. This company is in real trouble. They only made 11 billion, thats with a B, last quarter. boycott Exxon buy from the local little guy.
I believe they are still handling the refining for the local little guys. I think I filled the bike 6 times this weekend at about $15 a pop. Who'd have thought I needed to budget for bike gas when going to a CVO GTG?
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we now not only have $11.00 a gallon gas, but one of our biggest refineries in Scotland has now gone on strike. Certain stations are now running out of fuel and we are having to ship in extra supplies from Europe.
Fun, fun, fun till your Daddy takes your T-Bird away !!!!
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we now not only have $11.00 a gallon gas, but one of our biggest refineries in Scotland has now gone on strike. Certain stations are now running out of fuel and we are having to ship in extra supplies from Europe.
Fun, fun, fun till your Daddy takes your T-Bird away !!!!
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The Scottish strike made the newspaper here in our small corner of Florida even, Nige. Makes one wonder about that union & it's timing or rather the lack thereof.
Gas is almost $3 a litre? Whew!
Mike
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With gas prices approaching $4.50 a gallon, I am seriously re evaluating my upcoming Apr 30th trip to FL from MD.
This is becoming ridiculous. :( :(
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With gas prices approaching $4.50 a gallon, I am seriously re evaluating my upcoming Apr 30th trip to FL from MD.
This is becoming ridiculous. :( :(
Price will go to $5/gal and perhaps above. Should be no surprise to anyone.
As long as we have a refinery capacity problem and someone else controls our supply we will see the continuation of this. So get used to it! :cherry:
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With gas prices approaching $4.50 a gallon, I am seriously re evaluating my upcoming Apr 30th trip to FL from MD.
This is becoming ridiculous. :( :(
Maybe 'hitch-hiking' will have a revival as a inexpensive mode of travel. ??? har! :vrolijk_5: spyder
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A couple of years ago I was shopping for an RV and made the mistake of thinking Kathy would get into it. Her only comment was " you better make sure you can get that thing into the Hyatt and Ritz parking lots so you can drop me off and pick me up or you'll need that money for your divorce atty." I decided to quit looking at them. ;D
With words like that......there would be some dropping off....and we wouldn't need any money for a lawyer :coolblue:
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With words like that......there would be some dropping off....and we wouldn't need any money for a lawyer :coolblue:
s p e w !!!! :huepfenlol2: har! spyder
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Maybe Harley will come out with a Peanut Burning Touring Model that makes you Smell Roasted Peanuts as you Ride!!!! :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :P
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With gas prices approaching $4.50 a gallon, I am seriously re evaluating my upcoming Apr 30th trip to FL from MD.
This is becoming ridiculous. :( :(
$4.50 a gallon - makes me think I have a cheap trip coming up for my USA pick up Ride in August. If only we had that cheap over here.
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Nige
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Maybe Harley will come out with a Peanut Burning Touring Model that makes you S mell Roasted Peanuts as you Ride!!!! :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :P
Methinks we are already getting roasted !
Nige
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Based upon Jim Cramer's comments on the Today show, gas prices could be $5.00/gallon next year.
http://alternativeenergy.com/profiles/blog/show?id=1066929%3ABlogPost%3A29070 (http://alternativeenergy.com/profiles/blog/show?id=1066929%3ABlogPost%3A29070)
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Based upon Jim Cramer's comments on the Today show, gas prices could be $5.00/gallon next year.
http://alternativeenergy.com/profiles/blog/show?id=1066929%3ABlogPost%3A29070 (http://alternativeenergy.com/profiles/blog/show?id=1066929%3ABlogPost%3A29070)
From what we've seen in the last three or four weeks, I would guess we'll see $5 by 4 July!!! JMO
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Based on an exchange rate $ to uk £ as of 1st May 08 £1.20 per litre uk gallon = 4.54 lt
4.54lt x £1.20 = £5.44 uk gall...... x 1.99$ = $10. 82 DIESEL
average Joe here does 14,000 miles per year 45mpg (diesel)
pay up or walk.
cvo seeg 08 anniversary 105
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I'm afraid to even think what we will be paying after the next inevitable major event, like a named storm, terrorist incident or God forbid, a democrat in the white house.
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I'm afraid to even think what we will be paying after the next inevitable major event, like a named storm, terrorist incident or God forbid, a democrat in the white house.
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Vote for ME for Benevolent Dictator. (It'll have to be a write-in). As BD I will give the Iraqis $20 a barrel for oil. (should have been this way all along). When the troops come home, we'll pay fair market value. We'll take all the oil we need from Iraq at this rate. Gas will be back at 30 cents a gallon, just as it should be. :orange:
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As the new BD, it will be illegal to use corn for fuel! Anyone caught using or posessing ethanol will be beheaded!
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Where do I vote Bro? :2vrolijk_21:
Hoist! 8)
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Where do I vote Bro? :2vrolijk_21:
Hoist! 8)
It's a write-in.
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I can assist the BD being Vice BD...I will first free all beautiful women from wearing tops at the beach! Or anywhere else for that matter...Or bottoms...
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It's a write-in.
That was figurative man, not literal! ;D ;D ;D :huepfenjump3: :huepfenjump3: :huepfenjump3:
Hoist! 8)
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I can assist the BD being Vice BD...I will first free all beautiful women from wearing tops at the beach! Or anywhere else for that matter...Or bottoms...
OK Miker, you can be VP. Let the campaign begin! v :huepfenjump3:
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Oh, and beer will be free!
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OK Miker, you can be VP. Let the campaign begin! v :huepfenjump3:
Oh, and beer will be free!
OK, now it's literal!!! :2vrolijk_21: ;D ;)
Hoist! 8)
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From what we've seen in the last three or four weeks, I would guess we'll see $5 by 4 July!!! JMO
It's hit $5.00 a gallon down in the remote desert areas (Death Valley, etc.) of California I hear from a group that just returned from that tour. Over $4.00 now is some stations........ :stars: :furious2: :zwtf:
LET'S DRILL ANWAR OR WHATEVER !
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As BD I promise to IMMEDIATELY start drilling a bunch of holes! Also, about a dozen new refineries. Remember, a vote for me is a VOTE FOR ME!!! (as Joe Walsh sez). :2vrolijk_21:
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Oh, and beer will be free!
I just found the candidate I can support!
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Everybody that votes for Steve G gets a beer. If you vote for him twice, you get 2 beers. 3 times 3 beers. Vote early & often! :drink:
I would like to be Secretary of War & each month I would nuke a country. First on my list would be Iran.
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Everybody that votes for Steve G gets a beer. If you vote for him twice, you get 2 beers. 3 times 3 beers. Vote early & often! :drink:
I would like to be Secretary of War & each month I would nuke a country. First on my list would be Iran.
After Iran is nuked, I believe we can keep 30 cent gas for the next 75 years! Let's get started. :huepfenjump3:
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After Iran is nuked, I believe we can keep 30 cent gas for the next 75 years! Let's get started. :huepfenjump3:
Shoulda been done when Terry Waite (sp?) and company were taken hostage! :rifle: :furious:
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After Iran is nuked, I believe we can keep 30 cent gas for the next 75 years! Let's get started. :huepfenjump3:
Not a bad idea.
Of course I would not nuke their oil fields.
By the time I got around to Luxemborg, the rest of the world would have the general idea. ;)
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On the way back from Sedona I got ripped at this station on I-40 at the Amboy turn off.
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...can you believe this chit !!! Had no choice though cause I was sucking fumes. I think the trailer full of stuff pretty much killed my mpg's.
Whats it like where you live ?? Doc
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I paid $3.95 for premium today - which is a new record for me. Regular is selling for $3.85... :(
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It's getting to the point where the cost of one gallon was what it used to cost to fill our bikes up. :( >:(
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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I'm back from Sedona and had to fill up on I-40 near Amboy. What a rip !!! Doc
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I'm back from Sedona and had to fill up on I-40 near Amboy. What a rip !!! Doc
I hope you at least got a "reach around"
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Oil under the ground all over the place in the USA - but thanks to DC it cannot be drilled. Then just for the fun of it, try to build a refinery - notachanceinhellofthat. A diversion of energy effort so build a nuke plant? Huh-uh, no way. That just ain't PC you see.
We are bearing the fruits of the most misguided energy policies, spotlight on ETHANOL & the boondoggles it provides, so we now PAY for it. And we will continue to pay for it until the scale tips towards reason.
BTW - "reducing oil consumption" is not reason, it's called insanity.
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Gas Price here in the ALOHA state is over $4.00 a gallon for premium as of this week.
Mark
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Oil under the ground all over the place in the USA - but thanks to DC it cannot be drilled. Then just for the fun of it, try to build a refinery - notachanceinhellofthat. A diversion of energy effort so build a nuke plant? Huh-uh, no way. That just ain't PC you see.
We are bearing the fruits of the most misguided energy policies, spotlight on ETHANOL & the boondoggles it provides, so we now PAY for it. And we will continue to pay for it until the scale tips towards reason.
BTW - "reducing oil consumption" is not reason, it's called insanity.
In past "spikes", reduced demand in the States quickly led to price reductions both at the pump and at the well head. This time we have another factor that hasn't been seen before, and that is the huge increase in demand from two of the largest populations in the world, China and India. So this time we really don't have enough influence over total demand to just say "everyone conserve, trade in your gas guzzler SUV's for a tiny puddle jumper (at a huge loss), carpool or take mass transit, and everything will be all better". As you noted, we as a country pissed away our best opportunities back when we actually had some leverage. Now, the producers and the speculators are in the driver's seat and we are just along for the ride.
A real national energy policy would be nice, but even discounting my tendency toward skepticism I believe there will be snowball fights in Hades before the self absorbed citizens and their special interest suck-up government representatives see the light. Due to the "not in my back yard" syndrome, we can't get new refineries approved so now we not only have to import oil but we also import refined products. Due to "ignorant of the facts but quick to take the money" government representatives, we piss away billions of taxpayer dollars on subsidies that effectively divert grain from food production, causing huge distortions in both food and energy markets. And we wrote off one of the best energy solutions available to us decades ago when we stopped building nuclear power plants because we weren't smart enough to standardize the construction, staffing, and safety procedures. Scare mongering by the media, along with some boneheaded mistakes by the companies and people operating some of the plants, killed an industry in this country that is working just fine in places like France.
Don't worry, though, our illustrious Congress will jump in sometime in October to provide help. We already have a presidential candidate espousing a gas tax moratorium and a windfall profits tax on oil companies, and I'm certain that there will be many more brilliant ideas offered up as the campaigns for reelection to Congressional seats get cranked up. Of course, by that time many people won't be able to afford to drive or to eat, but what the hey. As long as we can still get credit and print money, our leaders will do just fine.
Jerry
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Hey, has anyone been watching CNN. Gas prices have gotten so bad, that people are stealing gas from one another.
Gas tanks on cars and trucks are being emtied over night by thieves to fill their tanks. We are getting into a sad state of affairs. :nervous:
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Keep Voting Democratic It's real good for YA ! :2vrolijk_21:
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Hey, has anyone been watching CNN. Gas prices have gotten so bad, that people are stealing gas from one another.
Gas tanks on cars and trucks are being emtied over night by thieves to fill their tanks. We are getting into a sad state of affairs. :nervous:
Those same folks who got rich selling locking gas caps back in the 70's can now let their kids and grandkids get rich selling them again. Of course, it didn't really help back then, since thieves quickly adapted and went to the ice pick & bucket method.
Jerry
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The gang-bangers around here are not even messing w/ stealing your gas......just increased armed robberies of your cash/jewelry ...... oh, and a shut down of power to entire neighborhoods as thieves are stealing power lines due to the high cost of copper. Power lines that were 'hot'. :'( wow! Can you say: experienced thief? :o har. spyder
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In past "spikes", reduced demand in the States quickly led to price reductions both at the pump and at the well head. This time we have another factor that hasn't been seen before, and that is the huge increase in demand from two of the largest populations in the world, China and India. So this time we really don't have enough influence over total demand to just say "everyone conserve, trade in your gas guzzler SUV's for a tiny puddle jumper (at a huge loss), carpool or take mass transit, and everything will be all better". As you noted, we as a country pissed away our best opportunities back when we actually had some leverage. Now, the producers and the speculators are in the driver's seat and we are just along for the ride.
A real national energy policy would be nice, but even discounting my tendency toward skepticism I believe there will be snowball fights in Hades before the self absorbed citizens and their special interest suck-up government representatives see the light. Due to the "not in my back yard" syndrome, we can't get new refineries approved so now we not only have to import oil but we also import refined products. Due to "ignorant of the facts but quick to take the money" government representatives, we piss away billions of taxpayer dollars on subsidies that effectively divert grain from food production, causing huge distortions in both food and energy markets. And we wrote off one of the best energy solutions available to us decades ago when we stopped building nuclear power plants because we weren't smart enough to standardize the construction, staffing, and safety procedures. Scare mongering by the media, along with some boneheaded mistakes by the companies and people operating some of the plants, killed an industry in this country that is working just fine in places like France.
Don't worry, though, our illustrious Congress will jump in sometime in October to provide help. We already have a presidential candidate espousing a gas tax moratorium and a windfall profits tax on oil companies, and I'm certain that there will be many more brilliant ideas offered up as the campaigns for reelection to Congressional seats get cranked up. Of course, by that time many people won't be able to afford to drive or to eat, but what the hey. As long as we can still get credit and print money, our leaders will do just fine.
Jerry
Jerry - surely the people in positions of economic and political power are working with our best interests at heart!!
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Nige
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Jerry - surely the people in positions of economic and political power are working with our best interests at heart!!
:-\
Nige
Nige,
I think we can safely assume that our political leaders have every bit as much interest in our happiness and well being as Harley-Davidson does.
Jerry
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Absofreakinlutly,
Let's subsidize more farmers to not grow...........not invest in large scale solar........wind and sea power and let Exxon keep rolling in record profits. I do remember the "fuel shortage" of the 70's, odd/even gas lines. Funny though, gas at $0.79 a gallon WAS scarce, but as soon as it went to $1/gal, you could get all you wanted. I agree that today's situation is different, but the problem is the same. Furthermore, nothing (under either control Democrate or Republican) has done anything to help make a bit of progress to improve the situation. Just my $.02
_Beags
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I don't know what everyone problem is! I switched to corn. I have my own corn field in the front, back and both sides of the yard. I am about to tear out the cement drive way to grow more corn. I have the family sleeping in a tent to cut utility costs. You need to try it, its the new thing. :2vrolijk_21:
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As long as there is money to be made - Fuel will be there for the getting @.79 the price was fixed by the dummy crats therfore there was no fuel to be had.
Keep voting Democratic it's good for ya! quote "Jimmy Carter"
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Man, just think with all that corn you could distill some mash and what wont burn will remove all cares about gas prices. ;)
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Gas in California is at or above the $4 mark for Premium. AND, I get 37mpg if I'm not into the throttle all the time (when is that ???) Anyway, while in Arizona attending the SPECTACULAR Western CVO Rally at Sedona, I had multiple fillups of Arizona premium which cost about $3.50 on average AND (drum roll please) netted me 42mpg. Now who would like to explain the mileage difference? AND, while I'm at it, my thought has always been that Tennessee gas produced the best mileage. Anyone want to post what they get from state to state ?
B B
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We knew we were home at the first gas stop back in Oregon $4.12 for prem. as we were pulling back on to the freeway it went up .09 cents with diesel going up 20 cents. WOW :nervous:
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B B,
Savannah, GA...
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Premium
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Regular unleaded-----Fri 349.9-----Sat 365.9
Diesel------Fri 409.9-----Sat 435.9!!!!!!!
Russellville, Arkansas
I am just wondering when it will get high enough for people
to slow down on consumption. Now gallons sold is up from
this time last year everywhere around here. Just no incentive
to drop the price. The oil company's are going to get all they
can out of us. >:(
Mark
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$4.19.9 for premium today at our last gas stop! :o :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss:
Hoist! 8)
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Regular unleaded-----Fri 349.9-----Sat 365.9
Diesel------Fri 409.9-----Sat 435.9!!!!!!!
Russellville, Arkansas
I am just wondering when it will get high enough for people
to slow down on consumption. Now gallons sold is up from
this time last year everywhere around here. Just no incentive
to drop the price. The oil company's are going to get all they
can out of us. >:(
Mark
The only way to make any effect at all is to have many "no gas buying days" in succession until it cripples the oil companies. Then there is a remote chance they will pay attention, otherwise they will adopt H-D's approach to the problems. :nervous:
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I filled my truck and hurricane gas cans Saturday....$130 for the truck and $120 for 6 cans of gas...
I may put the 75 honda 400 on the road to drive..
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I filled my truck and hurricane gas cans Saturday....$130 for the truck and $120 for 6 cans of gas...
I may put the 75 honda 400 on the road to drive..
My first ride was a CB400F. It was phenomenal on gas mileage. ;D
I was told to stay away from H-D in "76". :nervous:
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My first ride was a CB400F. It was phenomenal on gas mileage. ;D
I was told to stay away from H-D in "76". :nervous:
And what did you learn, they were leaky? :D :D
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What really needs to happen is Wall Street needs to quit trading so high on oil. That is what is driving prices up not the oil companies. This is a very good opportunity to buy oil stock and so wall street knows that so they keep increasing the share prices. It just keeps going higher and higher!! Everyone with big money is getting rich except your basic American like me.
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What really needs to happen is Wall Street needs to quit trading so high on oil. That is what is driving prices up not the oil companies. This is a very good opportunity to buy oil stock and so wall street knows that so they keep increasing the share prices. It just keeps going higher and higher!! Everyone with big money is getting rich except your basic American like me.
Don't ever one rush to grab the rope to string me up at once, but if you look at how much the oil companies have invested in capitol. Their return on the dollar is about equal to other sectors such as Pharmaceuticals, electronics, etc.... the big difference is that they have a much larger amount invested therefore there return is larger... everyone seems to just look at how much they made in a single quarter or year, but to be able to objectively compare these companies to any other company you much first average out profit per share.....
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Don't ever one rush to grab the rope to string me up at once, but if you look at how much the oil companies have invested in capitol. Their return on the dollar is about equal to other sectors such as Pharmaceuticals, electronics, etc.... the big difference is that they have a much larger amount invested therefore there return is larger... everyone seems to just look at how much they made in a single quarter or year, but to be able to objectively compare these companies to any other company you much first average out profit per share.....
Spoken by a true Executive no doubt. :oops: :huepfenlol2:
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My first ride was a CB400F. It was phenomenal on gas mileage. ;D
I was told to stay away from H-D in "76". :nervous:
I had the very first one of these sold in Maine. It was orange
Many many many H-D's later, but I still like orange :orange:
B B
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Don't ever one rush to grab the rope to string me up at once, but if you look at how much the oil companies have invested in capitol. Their return on the dollar is about equal to other sectors such as Pharmaceuticals, electronics, etc.... the big difference is that they have a much larger amount invested therefore there return is larger... everyone seems to just look at how much they made in a single quarter or year, but to be able to objectively compare these companies to any other company you much first average out profit per share.....
Someone get a ROPE !!!!
He must work for an oil company.
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On the Sedona trip: Lowest price = $3.559 in AZ & Highest price =$4.599 in CA
Odd for Californians to see only two selections at the pump 87 & 91 at some stations, we usually have 87, 89 & 91 at most places. But then of course the CARB messing up the whole system.
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Spoken by a true Executive no doubt. :oops: :huepfenlol2:
wouldnt that be nice. ;D
Someone get a ROPE !!!!
He must work for an oil company.
nope actually the pharmaceutical company....
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But he is right...profit margin is the number...Look at insurance...way over 20%...oil not so much.
It is simple supply and demand but now Chindia is in the game and we are screwed without domestic production...
Get ready for a new world order...
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Maybe remove oil as a commodity from the stock market...No?... :confused5:
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Paid $4.19.9 for premium on Sunday. Today was $4.26.9! :o :nixweiss: :nixweiss:
Hoist! 8)
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Paid $4.19.9 for premium on Sunday. Today was $4.26.9! :o :nixweiss: :nixweiss:
Hoist! 8)
Oh, go cry me a river sonny boy. ;)
Just be thankful you're not driving a diesel!!!!!
Diesel was $4.30 this morning when I went to work. It was $4.60 this afternoon.
Do we have an icon of someone taking it up the tailpipe?
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Chief I am right with you on that diesal!! That is what has really sucked with my bike in the shop and me having to drive my F-350. I think that was part of my maddness this past Sunday buying an 06 Springer Softail tricked out to look like a 1942 Panhead. I had to have something to ride and it is pretty classy. It is just missing the suicide shifter. One of these days I will have to learn how to upload pictures. 8) 8) 8) 8)
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Chief I am right with you on that diesal!! That is what has really sucked with my bike in the shop and me having to drive my F-350. I think that was part of my maddness this past Sunday buying an 06 Springer Softail tricked out to look like a 1942 Panhead. I had to have something to ride and it is pretty classy. It is just missing the suicide shifter. One of these days I will have to learn how to upload pictures. 8) 8) 8) 8)
This thread - How-To add an attachment (http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=2540.0) may help. If you have trouble attaching the picture following those directions normally it means the file size is to large and you need to reduce the size of the picture.
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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Thanks Chief!! I will have to get the camera out!!
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Diesel prices are absolutely rediculous!! I had to fill up twice coming during our trip down to Pigeon Forge. Average price was $4.269...while driving up in the Smokies yesterday, it was $4.439....I can only imagine what it's going to be on the ride home Sunday. :(
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Diesel prices are absolutely rediculous!! I had to fill up twice coming during our trip down to Pigeon Forge. Average price was $4.269...while driving up in the Smokies yesterday, it was $4.439....I can only imagine what it's going to be on the ride home Sunday. :(
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Don't worry......you'll be going down-hill. That'll offset any price increase between now and then. :drink: har! spyder
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LOL...if only that were true Spyder... ;)
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LOL...if only that were true Spyder... ;)
:devil:
The funny thing is, after seeing Shell had jumped their price $0.30 today, I was excited to find it at ONLY $4.41 at Exxon. :nixweiss:
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The funny thing is, after seeing Shell had jumped their price $0.30 today, I was excited to find it at ONLY $4.41 at Exxon. :nixweiss:
:indian_chief:
Damn Chuck, if it keeps climbing, it may be just cheaper for me to quit and stay down here, that way I won't get "raped" by big oil on the trip home. ::)
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If you are interested in gas pricing, check out the web site we utilize for pricing to our customers...
http://www.eia.doe.gov/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/wrgp/mogas_home_page.html (http://www.eia.doe.gov/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/wrgp/mogas_home_page.html)
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I may just have to start skipping work one day a week to save money on gas
B B
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I may just have to start skipping work one day a week to save money on gas
B B
Winner! Work From Home Program!
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Ain't no respite for the English either. I paid the equivalent of $11.36 per gallon for Diesel yesterday.
>:(
Nige
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Ain't no respite for the English either. I paid the equivalent of $11.36 per gallon for Diesel yesterday.
>:(
Nige
All I can say is DAMN!! I hope it was for a company truck that someone else is paying the bill.
Mark
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Here's a handy little web site that will help find lower prices in your area....
http://autos.msn.com/everyday/GasStations.aspx
Just enter your zip code.
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Down here the weather is in the hot dry pre summer thunderstorm mode and I have ridden the serk to work all week.
(while my truck is in the shop).
It is tough to not keep riding right down or up the beach when it so nice in the AM.
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Down here the weather is in the hot dry pre summer thunderstorm mode and I have ridden the serk to work all week.
(while my truck is in the shop).
It is tough to not keep riding right down or up the beach when it so nice in the AM.
Mike, your pictures bring back lots of good memories of Jupiter Inlet. Spent many a mornings out there catching greenies for bait. Doesn't look like anyone's out there this morning tho.
I'm officially out of the boat business as I sold my Whaler this weekend. I'm now officially boatless. It's a shame I had to let it go, but it hadn't been started in over 4 years and hadn't been in the water in about 12. hopefully the new owner will enjoy it like it should be enjoyed.
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$145 and change for 35 gallons of diesel yesterday. Racetrack just north of Huntsville. Best deal I could find.
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Mike, your pictures bring back lots of good memories of Jupiter Inlet. Spent many a mornings out there catching greenies for bait. Doesn't look like anyone's out there this morning tho.
I'm officially out of the boat business as I sold my Whaler this weekend. I'm now officially boatless. It's a shame I had to let it go, but it hadn't been started in over 4 years and hadn't been in the water in about 12. hopefully the new owner will enjoy it like it should be enjoyed.
:indian_chief:
6-8 rollers today, good for sailfish and seasickness, outside the reef prolly 12 foot...
It is sad to sell an old whaler, I sold mine 20 years ago, the very one I had since I was 10-12 years old on Cape Cod...
It is easier to charter now... ;)
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It's jumped another 10 cents+ since I filled my tank last week ...insanity .. $0.80 in the last 3 months
Makes you wonder if they'll consider regulation .. it was done with natural gas in the past
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It's jumped another 10 cents+ since I filled my tank last week ...insanity .. $0.80 in the last 3 months
Makes you wonder if they'll consider regulation .. it was done with natural gas in the past
It just kills me when Big Oil has shown the largest profits in history!
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6-8 rollers today, good for sailfish and seasickness, outside the reef prolly 12 foot...
It is sad to sell an old whaler, I sold mine 20 years ago, the very one I had since I was 10-12 years old on Cape Cod...
It is easier to charter now... ;)
I can only imagine day rates for boats have gone sky high with fuel prices. That's got to cut into the number of charters those guys are running.
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It's jumped another 10 cents+ since I filled my tank last week ...insanity .. $0.80 in the last 3 months
Makes you wonder if they'll consider regulation .. it was done with natural gas in the past
The intelligent answer would be "no way Jose", since it has been proven time and again that price controls don't work (can we all say rationing and long lines?). However, we all know how intelligent our politicians are (not), so this may be just one more of the ideas that surfaces during an election year.
One thing that would help immensely would be to find some other "sure thing" for the speculators to manipulate for quick profits. After the mortgage and housing bubble finally burst, they had to find other markets to screw with. Oil is one of the big ones they turned to, along with various metals. I've seen estimates that indicate up to 30% of the oil price increase is not demand related, but in fact due to manipulation by speculators.
Jerry
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It's jumped another 10 cents+ since I filled my tank last week ...insanity .. $0.80 in the last 3 months
Makes you wonder if they'll consider regulation .. it was done with natural gas in the past
Regulation didn't work last time... government tried to make the companies sell a product at a loss therefore they decided to just not produce the product case in point the gas shortage and rationing....
bigger problem is the world market this time. the U.S. is no longer the only big dog.... China and India have become major consumers. meaning even if we gave up all of our gas guzzling ways demand would still be high....
but speaking of natural gas I think I might be buying a Honda GX.... runs off of compressed natural gas.... cheaper (even heard in Utah was like 90 cents a gallon), cleaner, and gets to run in the carpool lane....
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India and China have 8 times the population of the U.S.A. They will take all the oil they can get. I think the answer lies in developing the oil we have access to. No new refineries since 1976? Just off the continental shelf, we have about 88 billion barrels of oil alone. -But the environmentalists seem to be able to stop us from getting to it. I recently read we have a total of about 112 billion barrels of oil we have access to. Enough to take care of 160 million cars for 60 years. What I don't understand is how the tree huggers can prevent the majority of this country from exercising common sense.
I guess we need to keep funneling billions of dollars to the countries that support a violent religion that enjoys seeing us transfer our wealth to them so they can build more IEDs and work on their uranium enrichment programs.
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There is lots of oil, not so cheap to get to and we do not have capacity to refine it.
It sure does not sound like an insurmountable problem however..
Maybe cause Dubya is loyal to his family the production will not meet demand with Chindia, the saudi royal family that is...
Check these dudes out.
http://www.petrobank.com/
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All I can say is DAMN!! I hope it was for a company truck that someone else is paying the bill.
Mark
Nope it was for my car.
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If you are interested in gas pricing, check out the web site we utilize for pricing to our customers...
http://www.eia.doe.gov/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/wrgp/mogas_home_page.html (http://www.eia.doe.gov/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/wrgp/mogas_home_page.html)
Do they have something for the Premium buyers???
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Perhaps when we get someone other than an oil man in office, things will change a bit...
And those damned tree huggers! Arrghhh!!! We could literally cut off all outside oil sourcing for a very long time and have them begging!!! :soapbox:
Flyndyna/sitting duck
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Any day now Bush will call for open drilling in all of our National Parks. His comments on Tuesday about increasing wells and refineries were aimed in that direction. For the sake of argument, try to look at this from the viewpoint of your favorite National Park being awash in oil rigs. Yellowstone or Yosemite, or Arcadia or the Grand Canyon to name a few mentioned on the site recently. We all have a place that touches our hearts and renews our spirit. NIMBY doesn't work here. There is a line which we cannot cross as once crossed there is no return.
By the way, tomorrow is national ride your bike to work day. My take is that includes motorcycles.
B B
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$4.89 A GALLON FOR DIESEL HERE TODAY! OUCH :bananarock:
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"Bitch loud enough-long enough-someone will notice"
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"Bitch loud enough-long enough-someone will notice"
Hey..... didn't I just see that same advice in another thread? :P
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Hey..... didn't I just see that same advice in another thread? :P
:indian_chief:
It's deja-vu all over again. ::)
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Funny this is one game i don`t want to win but can`y help myself ...... £1.25p per litre = $2.40 = $10.93 per uk gal :orange: :orange: :orange:
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Nige, by the time you get over here, the price may be the same here!!!! :-\
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Funny this is one game i don`t want to win but can`y help myself ...... £1.25p per litre = $2.40 = $10.93 per uk gal :orange: :orange: :orange:
I think when something is sold by a smaller unit measure ( litre vs gallon) it is much easier to charge more for it........pretty soon, we'll be filling our fuel tanks with fuel measured in ounces. And everything I've ever purchased by the oz. has always been expensive. :o har! :drink: spyder perfume
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I think when something is sold by a smaller unit measure ( litre vs gallon) it is much easier to charge more for it........pretty soon, we'll be filling our fuel tanks with fuel measured in ounces. And everything I've ever purchased by the oz. has always been expensive. :o har! :drink: spyder perfume
LOL!!! Yea right. ;) :beatnik:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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We still have to buy galls uk gall = 4.54 lt ithink your gall is somethin like 3.85 lt whatever size your galls are there much cheaper than ours ............ one of the few things we have got bigger than yours ! But i still like the US of A .
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So Cyril, how many Imperial Gallons does your scooter's gas tank hold? :nixweiss: spyder
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I think when something is sold by a smaller unit measure ( litre vs gallon) it is much easier to charge more for it........pretty soon, we'll be filling our fuel tanks with fuel measured in ounces. And everything I've ever purchased by the oz. has always been expensive. :o har! :drink: spyder perfume
In case anyone hasn't noticed the trend over the past few years, all sorts of products are being "repackaged" to fool the consumer. Visually the package looks the same size, but the actual volume of the product is smaller. The price per "package" either remains the same or has a small increase, but the price per unit measure of the product goes up significantly. This may be the ideal time for the USA to finally adopt the metric system, at least for gasoline purchases. The typical consumer will see that "low price" on the signs, run home and haul out the big SUV, and return for some "cheap" gas. If it takes as long for them to catch on as it did to figure out the too good to be true financing deals of the mortgage mess, we may be able to save a ton of jobs for the folks building pickup trucks and SUV's. Maybe I should forward this idea to Billary so she could add a 50% price cut to her moratorium on gas taxes. I imagine the group that fell for the tax thing would become orgasmic over the price cut.
BTW, anyone notice the latest "repackaging" effort? Milk prices have exceeded gas prices, so Kroger has come out with a new 3/4 gallon plastic jug. I haven't figured out yet if there was some sort of pent-up consumer demand for this size, or if someone really thought the average shopper is so slow that they wouldn't notice the new jug of milk takes up less space in the 'fridge. :nixweiss:
Jerry
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BTW, anyone notice the latest "repackaging" effort? Milk prices have exceeded gas prices, so Kroger has come out with a new 3/4 gallon plastic jug. I haven't figured out yet if there was some sort of pent-up consumer demand for this size, or if someone really thought the average shopper is so slow that they wouldn't notice the new jug of milk takes up less space in the 'fridge. :nixweiss:
Jerry
Maybe they did that so there would not be a 1/4 of a gallon of out dated milk left in the frig :nixweiss: Like coke did with those half cans :huepfenlol2: you always see the large can cokes setting around that is half full or half empty that no one finished :huepfenlol2:
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Hi Spyder 22.7lt = 5 imp galls. Quoting HD handbook US gall = 3.78 lts. I WISH WE STILL HAD FEET & INCHES TOO
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Hi Spyder 22.7lt = 5 imp galls. Quoting HD handbook US gall = 3.78 lts. I WISH WE STILL HAD FEET & INCHES TOO
Good luck with that Idea. :huepfenlol2:
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This is what it will come to.
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Hi Spyder 22.7lt = 5 imp galls. Quoting HD handbook US gall = 3.78 lts. I WISH WE STILL HAD FEET & INCHES TOO
OK so we don't look quite as bad as we did before.
On the basis of 3.78 litres to the US Gallon we are paying around $9.21 a gallon for diesel and $8.25 a gallon for unleaded. Thats working on an exchange rate of $1.95 to the British £1.00 Sterling.
Is that supposed to make me feel better!!!!
:-\
Nige
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Nige, by the time you get over here, the price may be the same here!!!! :-\
Lets hope not Craig - I budgeted for fuel at prices around the $4.00 a gallon mark.
My Math reckons that for my 7000 mile USA pick up ride in August I should have a fuel bill of around £431.00 or $825.00 US. This is based on an average mp(US)g of around 32 and using the $2.03 that I bought my holiday dollars at a while ago. Approx. 220 US Gallons in total.
The same amount would cost me $1,816.00 over here at current prices for unleaded.
Bring on the Helium motor.
Nige
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What a deal, Nige! You can't afford NOT to take this trip with the $$$ you'll be 'saving' on the discounted fuel price and the great exchange rate you got. 8) Ride proud, my friend. :) har! :drink: spyder
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Nige sounds like a great trip....what's the planned route?
Ride Safe! :coolblue:
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Lets hope not Craig - I budgeted for fuel at prices around the $4.00 a gallon mark.
My Math reckons that for my 7000 mile USA pick up ride in August I should have a fuel bill of around £431.00 or $825.00 US. This is based on an average mp(US)g of around 32 and using the $2.03 that I bought my holiday dollars at a while ago. Approx. 220 US Gallons in total.
The same amount would cost me $1,816.00 over here at current prices for unleaded.
Bring on the Helium motor.
Nige
Well at least the exchange rate will be on your side! ::)
Craig
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Lets hope not Craig - I budgeted for fuel at prices around the $4.00 a gallon mark.
My Math reckons that for my 7000 mile USA pick up ride in August I should have a fuel bill of around £431.00 or $825.00 US. This is based on an average mp(US)g of around 32 and using the $2.03 that I bought my holiday dollars at a while ago. Approx. 220 US Gallons in total.
The same amount would cost me $1,816.00 over here at current prices for unleaded.
Bring on the Helium motor.
Nige
Nige maybe its time to take what these guys have and build an air Harley http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmqpGZv0YT4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmqpGZv0YT4) :orange:
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Holy crap, on the way home, Diesel $5.29.9/gal! :vrolijk27: :vrolijk27: :vrolijk27:
Hoist! 8)
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Holy crap, on the way home, Diesel $5.29.9/gal! :vrolijk27: :vrolijk27: :vrolijk27:
Hoist! 8)
That post brings up a good point. When the heck are they going to drop that stupid .9? When gas was 29.9 cents a gallon it made marketing sense, but now that the prices jumps a quarter at a time, is that stupid 9/10ths of a penny tricking me into thinking it's a penny cheaper than it really is?
It's time to drop the stupid .9!!!
:indian_chief:
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Back in the days when we had feet & inches we also had old pennies. Shops used to price stuff at say 19s 11d
(just under £1) more confused We buy timber sizes 20mm x 40mm say £1.80p A FOOT :apple: :apple: :apple:
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Nige sounds like a great trip....what's the planned route?
Ride Safe! :coolblue:
This is it.
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Holy crap, on the way home, Diesel $5.29.9/gal! :vrolijk27: :vrolijk27: :vrolijk27:
Hoist! 8)
Damn and I though we had it bad, still 4.08 a gallon here :orange: want me to send some too you :huepfenlol2:
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This is it.
Posting a picture of the route for those that don't have the ability to view the *gdb file.
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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Thanks Gary, man Nige what a trip. Godspeed :2vrolijk_21:
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We have finally hit $4.00 for regular and diesel is running as high as $4.89.
It won't matter in 6 months, just like the past fuel crisis and shortages, we'll adjust and everyone will keep driving what they want.
The little econo-boxes aren't here to stay just yet IMO, but we will keep seeing more of them.
I just drive the SRT10 Dodge to irritate the tree huggers out here now.
Maybe my prediction of hydrogen cars at the dump when I am 90 and pulling up in my 600 plus HP truck burning dino oil will come true after all.
I guess I better bury a tank of it so I know I'll have some.
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WENT to buy diesel two days ago and it was $4.89 went this morning and it was $5.09. I dont know about you guys but its starting to crimp my style! :bananarock:
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Filled up the cage yeaterday with diesel .............
Cost: £1.30 per LITRE - equals approx $2.60 per LITRE
Now this is just gettin durn stoopid!
:'(
Nige
New high on the World Oil Market yesterday - $135.00 per barrel - :o
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The local news stations here in Dago are advocating people buy motorcycles.
Frikkin great, just what we need, a bazillion newbie bikers with no idea how to ride all over the highways
B B
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The local news stations here in Dago are advocating people buy motorcycles.
Frikkin great, just what we need, a bazillion newbie bikers with no idea how to ride all over the highways
B B
:2vrolijk_21: The local paper here had a big article on scooters instead of motorcycles. I especially like the ultra high mileage versions they seemed to be promoting that get up to 120 mpg. They neglected to mention however that those things need a strong tailwind to get out of their own way, and that they are not appropriate or even legal in many areas for highway use. At least in this area the rush to stupidity will be short lived, since it's highly unlikely the folks who survive the first 6 months of ownership will want to brave a Chicago winter on a scooter.
Jerry
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If gas goes to $7.00 a gallon, WTH, most of us here will fill up both the Motorsickle, and the SUV. The ones suffering the most are the Independent Truckers, and the Big Trucking firms. Like it or not, America's needs move by Truck. Truckers cannot withstand increases in fixed costs such as this. Their biggest expense used to be payroll. Now, it's fuel. Add to that, these new '08 emission Engines bare a substancial increase in initial cost, and produce less fuel economy than the '04 pre-emission Motors. Our tax dollars at work again. Government, Government, Government. Global warming? Bullchit! This has to stop somewhere. Common sense needs to come into play, and the US Government needs to listen to the people that work for a living. Sad thing is, I think it's too late. Taxation, rules and regulations, all without representation for the ones of us who provide jobs, and service to our specific markets. Pi$$es me off, quite frankly. Fat Teddy, Robert C. Byrd, John D. Rockefeller IV, and the like, makes me puke. It would take no less than a series of funerals in the US Congress and Senate, to change the face of America. Later--HUBBARD
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I wanted to post in this thread so had to search for it and started at post one. Look back and see what only a short time has done to the prices. We only wish we could go back to those prices. It is not looking good at all and is definitely affecting everyone.
We went to our favorite breakfast spot this morning and in that car that only four years ago I could not put a full $20 in the tank, took $75 to fill. We saw a lot of police on I-95 so on the way home, Jamey set the cruise control at exactly 60 mph and reset the trip meter. We went from our normal average of 21 mpg to 34 mpg over a 25 +- trip. Really need to rethink wasteful travel and excessive speeds at this point. Everything has gone up, literally everything. Carl, I think you are really right. Something really needs to change.
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If gas goes to $7.00 a gallon, WTH, most of us here will fill up both the Motorsickle, and the SUV. The ones suffering the most are the Independent Truckers, and the Big Trucking firms. Like it or not, America's needs move by Truck. Truckers cannot withstand increases in fixed costs such as this. Their biggest expense used to be payroll. Now, it's fuel. Add to that, these new '08 emission Engines bare a substancial increase in initial cost, and produce less fuel economy than the '04 pre-emission Motors. Our tax dollars at work again. Government, Government, Government. Global warming? Bullchit! This has to stop somewhere. Common sense needs to come into play, and the US Government needs to listen to the people that work for a living. Sad thing is, I think it's too late. Taxation, rules and regulations, all without representation for the ones of us who provide jobs, and service to our specific markets. Pi$$es me off, quite frankly. Fat Teddy, Robert C. Byrd, John D. Rockefeller IV, and the like, makes me puke. It would take no less than a series of funerals in the US Congress and Senate, to change the face of America. Later--HUBBARD
Hub,
You are spot on. When the wife and I were on our trip to Tennessee, we stopped at Travel Centers (more appealing name to the yuppie crowd then truck stops), to get our diesel for the truck. (Much easier to maneuver a 22' pickup and a 36' 5th wheel.) Anyway, my point is, while I had sticker shock when my fill-ups were routinely $120, my jaw dropped to the floor when the trucker ahead of me paid just under $1200 for his fill-up!!! People wonder why our produce costs have risen substantially. It's the domino effect. The truckers, especially the indies, can't absorb these rediculous diesel prices and it has to be passed on to the vendors, who then, of course pass it on to the consumer. It sucks, and we need a "house cleaning" on the hill to change the paralized mindset that there is in Congress.
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Hubbard
Your words ring very true. In short order, Americans are going to see huge runups in the cost of everything. When that happens who knows what the hue and cry from the masses will be. BUT, the politicians as they always do will sell us out to the highest bidder. And NOBODY has deeper pockets than the oil companies. Much as I hate to pile the miles on LD just to commute to work, I will soon be riding LD to work everyday. I drive 350 miles a week to commute, I don't have a choice. Bath Iron Works isn't raising my salary because inflation is running rampant. They are constantly being pushed to drive down costs per ship. My wife's boss isn't offering her more money. If anything they are getting cheap and want her to pay for her own parking. Everybody is squeezing everybody. I have no idea where it's headed but as your wise words indicate, it's gonna get worse still.
B B
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Hubbard
Your words ring very true. In short order, Americans are going to see huge runups in the cost of everything. When that happens who knows what the hue and cry from the masses will be. BUT, the politicians as they always do will sell us out to the highest bidder. And NOBODY has deeper pockets than the oil companies. Much as I hate to pile the miles on LD just to commute to work, I will soon be riding LD to work everyday. I drive 350 miles a week to commute, I don't have a choice. Bath Iron Works isn't raising my salary because inflation is running rampant. They are constantly being pushed to drive down costs per ship. My wife's boss isn't offering her more money. If anything they are getting cheap and want her to pay for her own parking. Everybody is squeezing everybody. I have no idea where it's headed but as your wise words indicate, it's gonna get worse still.
B B
BB,
I feel your pain. I commute 108 miles roundtrip everyday and my wife's roundtrip commute is 132 miles daily. The Feds, which we both are, aren't doing much to help the increased costs. We get a stippend ($115/month) to take mass-transit, but if I do that exclusively, another $230 a month comes out of my pocket. And of course, the commuter train that I ride sometimes, runs on diesel, so they are increasing their fares to cover the higher cost of diesel. There isn't any mass transit available to where my wife works so she has to drive, and consiquently, doesn't get the mass-transit benefit. I got her a Prius back in '04 and she's got 100K on it now and is averaging 53mpg with it. Fortunately, she only has to fill once a week on that. I bought a Street Glide and will leave it painfully stock for now, to enjoy the 42-45 mpg it will supposedly get. (My SEUC, on a good day will get me about 32-34 mpg, but normally around 30 mpg). It's painful, and nothing is being done by the clowns on the hill, except to compain to a bunch of corporate bozos from the oil industry, who could give a crap less how much we're being soaked for fuel, as long as they're getting their $12.5M annual compensation salary. :soapbox:
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...It's painful, and nothing is being done by the clowns on the hill, except to com pain to a bunch of corporate bozos from the oil industry, who could give a crap less how much we're being soaked for fuel, as long as they're getting their $12.5M annual compensation salary. :soapbox:
:devil:
Yeah, I heard that too. One of them professed that he was just an ordinary guy and he was also feeling the pain.
I am thinking he has not had to buy groceries in years, or fill up his own car. He for sure does not have children that he wonders how he is going to feed and cloth as these costs double and triple because of the cost of fuel. Not that I do either, but I wonder how the young families are going to be able to overcome this accelerated increase in cost? We need our truck drivers, can't exist without them. I have to drive to work to make the car payment and the mortgage payment, but I may be a little more caustious. BUt when I get to teh store, it is getting harder and harder. If we all stop going to restauraunts those business will be affected. If we all stop drycleaning so much and start to wash our own dress shirts that effects those businesses. It really doesn't stop. Gas cannot keep going up at this rate without really hurting those that really can't afford it the most.
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Yeah, I heard that too. One of them professed that he was just an ordinary guy and he was also feeling the pain.
I am thinking he has not had to buy groceries in years, or fill up his own car. He for sure does not have children that he wonders how he is going to feed and cloth as these costs double and triple because of the cost of fuel. Not that I do either, but I wonder how the young families are going to be able to overcome this accelerated increase in cost? We need our truck drivers, can't exist without them. I have to drive to work to make the car payment and the mortgage payment, but I may be a little more caustious. BUt when I get to teh store, it is getting harder and harder. If we all stop going to restauraunts those business will be affected. If we all stop drycleaning so much and start to wash our own dress shirts that effects those businesses. It really doesn't stop. Gas cannot keep going up at this rate without really hurting those that really can't afford it the most.
Wouldn't you just love to be an "ordinary guy" like him? You're right, he probably doesn't buy his own groceries, (the nutritionist they have probably does), and part of his compensation package is free fuel for his vehicles. Yeah, I want that kind of "pain-feeling ordinary".
:devil:
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diesel $5.28 down the street from my place OUCH! COST $185.00 TO FILL UP MY F-250
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This is it.
Whew..... I wish you safe traveling, that is an ambitious route.
How many miles is the route?
:2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21:
Answered my own question, 6,324 Miles.
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Our most immediate answer is that Ford Mtr. Co. is going to make America's #1 selling pickup truck smaller. That'll show 'em. ::) har! spyder
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Whew..... I wish you safe traveling, that is an ambitious route.
How many miles is the route?
:2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21:
Answered my own question, 6,324 Miles.
Plus day trips - I reckon we should make about 7,000 miles by the end.
:)
Nige
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Our most immediate answer is that Ford Mtr. Co. is going to make America's #1 selling pickup truck smaller. That'll show 'em. ::) har! spyder
I already did that Spyduh I sold my Black/Silver 100th Anniversary Ford Harley-Davidson F-150 Supercharged Supercrew and bought a 3 litre Ranger. If the thing were any smaller I'd have to leave the door part way open to drive around in it.
B B
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Not quite used to the mileage of my new motor - I coasted into a gas station to fill up twice this weekend during our trip to northern Wisconsin... The first time it was a surprise. The second time I was holding my breath... It took 5.2 gallons each time - over $20 to fill :vrolijk27:!!!
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Here's one I'm surprised the oil company gluttons haven't picked up on. Since it costs so much to go anywhere, we've got more time to spend washing, waxing, detailing ???
B B
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Thought this would be an interesting twist to this topic.....
http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/SavingandDebt/SaveonaCar/Why4DollarAGallonGasIsABargain.aspx
1920's gas prices never would have thought that one...
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Here's one I'm surprised the oil company gluttons haven't picked up on. Since it costs so much to go anywhere, we've got more time to spend washing, waxing, detailing ???
B B
BB,
You haven't heard?? ??? Shell, Mobile, BP, and Exxon are all coming out with new vehicle care products. Their new slogan is going to be "If you think our gas prices are high, wait until you see our new line of detailing products! Something to do when you can't afford to ride!" :P ::)
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Thought this would be an interesting twist to this topic.....
http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/SavingandDebt/SaveonaCar/Why4DollarAGallonGasIsABargain.aspx
1920's gas prices never would have thought that one...
Anybody want to bet that the Energy Information Administration isn't funded by Big Oil ?
B B
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Is Big Media also funded by Big Oil?
Or is Big Oil funded by Big Media?
I strongly suspect it's all a Big Conspiracy, funded and fueled by Big Universities with Big Ideas about Big Stuff......
:huepfenlol2:
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Is Big Media also funded by Big Oil?
Or is Big Oil funded by Big Media?
I strongly suspect it's all a Big Conspiracy, funded and fueled by Big Universities with Big Ideas about Big Stuff......
:huepfenlol2:
Big oil funds congress, that's one of the big problems!!
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Big oil funds congress, that's one of the big problems!!
Congress is funded by lots of companies, labor unions, and a wide assortment of ax grinders in general - IMHO that is the major problem. Congressional inaction on energy issues is well documented and that goes back much more than 30 years now.
"Big Oil" is not the problem, but it's a convenient whipping post for those who love to flog away at stuff at times.
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I'm thinking Big Diesel Ton Truck is fixin' to get PARKED!!!!!! This is friggin' ridiculous! $160 to fill up! Looks like I'm fixin' to start driving Renea's truck, and she'll revert to the Taurus. The Sportster is also looking like a possible "daily driver."
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Yesterday I asked the gas station attendant for $5 worth of premium. I handed him a ten dollar bill. He farted and gave me back a five! :-[
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Is Big Media also funded by Big Oil?
Or is Big Oil funded by Big Media?
I strongly suspect it's all a Big Conspiracy, funded and fueled by Big Universities with Big Ideas about Big Stuff......
:huepfenlol2:
You forgot one other co-conspirator; the MoCo has been secretly bidding up crude oil futures in an attempt to rejuvenate motorcycle sales. ::)
Jerry
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You forgot one other co-conspirator; the MoCo has been secretly bidding up crude oil futures in an attempt to rejuvenate motorcycle sales. ::)
Jerry
I had planned to blame Honda (Suzuki?) for this but now see the error of my ways. It must be H/D & I suspect there is a HUGE secret stash of refined gasoline in enormous storage tanks in Milwaukee that they have bought to "take gas out of the market". Part of their executive bonus plan of free gas for MoCo officers no doubt..... ;)
Mike
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You forgot one other co-conspirator; the MoCo has been secretly bidding up crude oil futures in an attempt to rejuvenate motorcycle sales. ::)
Jerry
I had planned to blame Honda (Suzuki?) for this but now see the error of my ways. It must be H/D & I suspect there is a HUGE secret stash of refined gasoline in enormous storage tanks in Milwaukee that they have bought to "take gas out of the market". Part of their executive bonus plan of free gas for MoCo officers no doubt..... ;)
Mike
If I didn't know you guys better I'd think you were being a little cynical about our beloved MoCo - now that would never do would it !
::)
Nige
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If I didn't know you guys better I'd think you were being a little cynical about our beloved MoCo - now that would never do would it !
::)
Nige
Cynical about the MoCo? :nixweiss:
WTF would ever do that? ::)
FTF & FTW!!! :huepfenjump3: :huepfenjump3: :huepfenjump3:
Hoist! 8)
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FYYFF
There, see if you can figure that one out ???
B B
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FYYFF
There, see if you can figure that one out ???
B B
Got it, Know it, Use it!
Best used with a good thick Bostonian accent...
Cheers! :bananarock:
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Needed fuel today.
Went in and told them to charge $150.00 to the card on pump #1.
Pumped the diesel, hit $150.00 at just a little above 3/4's of a tank.
It will be gone by Friday!
Then I start over!
>:( >:( >:(
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Needed fuel today.
Went in and told them to charge $150.00 to the card on pump #1.
Pumped the diesel, hit $150.00 at just a little above 3/4's of a tank.
It will be gone by Friday!
Then I start over!
>:( >:( >:(
Let's see - 3/4 of 5 gallons is 3.75 gallons. 3.75 gallons @ $150 = $40 per gallon.
I don't know which is more amazing - that you paid $40 per gallon for diesel or that you put diesel in your cycle... :nixweiss:
Not only #1 chithead but a dumba$$ too! ::) ;D :huepfenlol2:
oh wait - are you working this week? :huepfenjump3: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenjump3: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenjump3:
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Let's see - 3/4 of 5 gallons is 3.75 gallons. 3.75 gallons @ $150 = $40 per gallon.
I don't know which is more amazing - that you paid $40 per gallon for diesel or that you put diesel in your cycle... :nixweiss:
Not only #1 chithead but a dumba$$ too! ::) ;D :huepfenlol2:
oh wait - are you working this week? :huepfenjump3: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenjump3: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenjump3:
It's probably raining or something there to so he can't ride. BTW - It's nice here... Sun out 65 degrees... shame there isn't somebody here w/a Blue SERG that could go riding w/me. :evilgrin:
I may not be top Chithead, but I can still be a Chithead any day of the week. ;D
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
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DAMN YOU to both of y'all!
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:ROFLOL:
Scott I don't know if that was his last nerve, but it was a big one we hit. :2vrolijk_21: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
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I may not be top Chithead, but I can still be a Chithead any day of the week.[
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
But you will never be chairman.
neener, neener, neener!
:vrolijk_26: :vrolijk_26: :vrolijk_26:
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But you will never be chairman.
neener, neener, neener!
:vrolijk_26: :vrolijk_26: :vrolijk_26:
True...... Chithead!!!! ;D
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
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True...... Chithead!!!! ;D
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
YUP!
But I'm struggling to figure out why Scott threw me under the bus also!
Then backed the bus up and did a burnout on me!
Geeeeeez
:nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss:
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Heh, when you're top
dog chithead somebody is going to be trying to throw you under the bus. In your case we just tag teamed you. ;D
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
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Heh, when you're top dog chithead somebody is going to be trying to throw you under the bus. In your case we just tag teamed you. ;D
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
That's it!
I'm reporting your actions to the "Chairman"!
:bananarock: :huepfenlol2: :bananarock: :huepfenlol2: :bananarock: :huepfenlol2: :bananarock: :huepfenlol2:
:bananarock: :huepfenlol2: :bananarock: :huepfenlol2: :bananarock: :huepfenlol2: :bananarock: :huepfenlol2:
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He ain't here now.
Neener, neener, neener!!!! :P :huepfenlol2:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
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He ain't here now.
Neener, neener, neener!!!! :P :huepfenlol2:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Foiled again :o
I'm gonna have to think this thru better next time!
I'll get you yet Neenerhead!
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Needed fuel today.
Went in and told them to charge $150.00 to the card on pump #1.
Pumped the diesel, hit $150.00 at just a little above 3/4's of a tank.
It will be gone by Friday!
Then I start over!
>:( >:( >:(
Think yourself lucky Chip that would only buy 12.5 gallons of diesel over here !!
:o
Nige
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YUP!
But I'm struggling to figure out why Scott threw me under the bus also!
Then backed the bus up and did a burnout on me!
Geeeeeez
:nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss:
It's tough being number 1, huh? Being king chairman chithead isn't free! Gotta be some entertainment value for the rest of us! :huepfenlol2: :huepfenjump3: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenjump3: :huepfenlol2:
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It's tough being number 1, huh? Being king chairman chithead isn't free! Gotta be some entertainment value for the rest of us! :huepfenlol2: :huepfenjump3: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenjump3: :huepfenlol2:
Whew... Glad I'm not in this league. :huepfenlol2:
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Whew... Glad I'm not in this league. :huepfenlol2:
Who said you weren't?
:nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss:
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Hard to believe, when I originally posted this, this was an ugly site...
http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=2696.msg44946#msg44946 (http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=2696.msg44946#msg44946)
(http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2696.0;attach=2393)
Now you'd wreck your car trying to pull in if you saw it! :drink:
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Hard to believe, when I originally posted this, this was an ugly site...
http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=2696.msg44946#msg44946 (http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=2696.msg44946#msg44946)
Now you'd wreck your car trying to pull in if you saw it! :drink:
It's all perspective I guess. I remember the sick feeling when prices went above $2/gal after Katrina.
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Who said you weren't?
:nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss:
Oh..Lord.... In trouble again....Still??
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Oh..Lord.... In trouble again....Still??
Damn right!
Next time at CHL your room will be charged for all the meals.
:2vrolijk_21:
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Damn right!
Next time at CHL your room will be charged for all the meals.
:2vrolijk_21:
What! :vrolijk27: No backed up bus, No burn-out!
I guess I'll have to take in all the meals. :sauer021:
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What! :vrolijk27: No backed up bus, No burn-out!
I guess I'll have to take in all the meals. :sauer021:
No way! I need all that money..I want another bike! Mama comes first you chithead! ;D
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Got into a discussion tonight w/family on how much the gas has gone up lately and got curious to how much it had. Below is a graph showing price changes since 11/21/05. This information came from the Energy Information Administration (http://www.eia.doe.gov/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/wrgp/mogas_home_page.html).
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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Got into a discussion tonight w/family on how much the gas has gone up lately and got curious to how much it had. Below is a graph showing price changes since 11/21/05. This information came from the Energy Information Administration (http://www.eia.doe.gov/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/wrgp/mogas_home_page.html).
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Scary Graph !
Looks like the Dow Jones Index upside down.
:o
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Got into a discussion tonight w/family on how much the gas has gone up lately and got curious to how much it had. Below is a graph showing price changes since 11/21/05. This information came from the Energy Information Administration (http://www.eia.doe.gov/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/wrgp/mogas_home_page.html).
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
If you want to really make yourself nervous, compare the increase in gasoline to the increase in crude over that same period of time. From $49 per barrel to $123 per barrel, world average, which represents a 251% increase. If you apply that same percentage increase to the beginning gasoline price in the chart, gas prices should be $5.52 right now.
Jerry
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If you want to really make yourself nervous, compare the increase in gasoline to the increase in crude over that same period of time. From $49 per barrel to $123 per barrel, world average, which represents a 251% increase. If you apply that same percentage increase to the beginning gasoline price in the chart, gas prices should be $5.52 right now.
Jerry
It will be soon enough. :-X
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If you want to really make yourself nervous, compare the increase in gasoline to the increase in crude over that same period of time. From $49 per barrel to $123 per barrel, world average, which represents a 251% increase. If you apply that same percentage increase to the beginning gasoline price in the chart, gas prices should be $5.52 right now.
Jerry
Crude oil prices..... just another form of terrorism. :rifle: :sauer005:
Howie
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Crude oil prices..... just another form of terrorism. :rifle: :sauer005:
Howie
Yep.. They couldn't beat the US with force, So.....now they will try to do it with economy.
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Yep.. They couldn't beat the US with force, So.....now they will try to do it with economy.
:nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss:
This isn't so far fetched as some might believe. The worse the economy gets, the more real estate that is forced into forclosure. With Trillions in petrodollars at their disposal, the Muslim countries can literally buy America out from under us at fire sale prices. And then there's the Chinese who hold most of our debt in the form of T-bills. What the Muslims don't buy the Chinese will take via forced bankruptcy.
B B
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This isn't so far fetched as some might believe. The worse the economy gets, the more real estate that is forced into forclosure. With Trillions in petrodollars at their disposal, the Muslim countries can literally buy America out from under us at fire sale prices. And then there's the Chinese who hold most of our debt in the form of T-bills. What the Muslims don't buy the Chinese will take via forced bankruptcy.
B B
I would agree with the above statement...I would also ask yourself...what are YOU doing about it? Including preparing yourself for $5.00/gal prices within one year?
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I would agree with the above statement...I would also ask yourself...what are YOU doing about it? Including preparing yourself for $5.00/gal prices within one year?
I would be batten down the hatches, and prepare for a ship rolling storm.
In plain English, quit spending foolishly and only spend if have to. And might add, Help a bro in need.
Did I mention have a little armament handy for uninvited guests of a foreign nature?
:2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21:
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I would agree with the above statement...I would also ask yourself...what are YOU doing about it? Including preparing yourself for $5.00/gal prices within one year?
I hope you are right, I'm thinking $7 or 8 by the end of the year.
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I hope you are right, I'm thinking $7 or 8 by the end of the year.
I read in the recent Busines Week a few articles about oil.
It is possible the prices for a barrel of crude to drop to $63.00/barrel in about a year.
I wonder how long the economy can stand during that year. :nixweiss:
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"We borrow money from the Chinese to buy oil from the Saudis" (it must be true, Billary just said it on TV}
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"We borrow money from the Chinese to buy oil from the Saudis" (it must be true, Billary just said it on TV}
.........and so went the Roman Empire!! :nervous:
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.........and so went the Roman Empire!! :nervous:
Yer rite, and I'm gonna play the fiddle while it BURNS! :pepper:
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Yer rite, and I'm gonna play the fiddle while it BURNS! :pepper:
Never could play the fiddle, so I guess I'll just go out and ride my Jester. :2vrolijk_21:
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Never could play the fiddle, so I guess I'll just go out and ride my Jester. :2vrolijk_21:
:devil:
Sanity rules this thread once again. :2vrolijk_21:
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Sanity rules this thread once again. :2vrolijk_21:
Thanks for that translation :2vrolijk_21:
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Thanks for that translation :2vrolijk_21:
Sie sind willkommen.
(http://blogs.record-eagle.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/gas-beer-wax-worms.jpg)
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Sanity rules this thread once again. :2vrolijk_21:
Sanity is both highly overrated and somewhat boring.
Jerry :wacky:
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God help us if a Hurricane comes into the Gulf of Mexico!!!!!!!!!!! $10.00 a gallon before summers end!!
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I was stunned at it being over .20 cents cheaper in SC than where I'm at in Georgia. I bought high-octane for $3.83 a gallon. It's $4.11 here for 93 octane.
I decided to think of gas prices as a diet program. I pay so much for gas that I can't afford to eat out anymore. That's a good thing considering we hit too many fast food restaurants!
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I was stunned at it being over .20 cents cheaper in SC than where I'm at in Georgia. I bought high-octane for $3.83 a gallon. It's $4.11 here for 93 octane.
I decided to think of gas prices as a diet program. I pay so much for gas that I can't afford to eat out anymore. That's a good thing considering we hit too many fast food restaurants!
V, I think the difference is the state tax difference. I've noticed it also as you travel across states.......it'll drop and rise as you cross the borders. :o aaaargh. spyder
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Sanity is both highly overrated and somewhat boring.
Jerry :wacky:
I never suffered from sanity (maybe temporarily but it passed) , but that is what I have heard. :huepfenlol2:
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Fed Gas Tax is 18 cent a Gallon, The states add additional 18 - 60 cents- per gallon- Also Some local counties and Cities add additional Cents per gallon so that is way the price will vary From State to state (within the state) and your big Cities.
If there was no Money to be made then the gas supply would dry completely UP. Like it did in 1973 and 1979. The price of fuel was Fixed (Regulated by the Fed's) for those years, SO NO money was to made so we ran out of FUEL
BTDT.
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V, I think the difference is the state tax difference. I've noticed it also as you travel across states.......it'll drop and rise as you cross the borders. :o aaaargh. spyder
That's part of it.
http://www.gaspricewatch.com/usgastaxes.asp
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V, I think the difference is the state tax difference. I've noticed it also as you travel across states.......it'll drop and rise as you cross the borders. :o aaaargh. spyder
Nuts here in NC - when we were moving here last year, the price jumped .30 when you crossed from VA into NC. My property taxes are insane here also, and we get compensated less in NC then I did living in VA, so we took a huge quality of life cut moving here.
Can't believe I am saying this, but I am looking forward to moving back to VA.
Sean
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Nuts here in NC - when we were moving here last year, the price jumped .30 when you crossed from VA into NC. My property taxes are insane here also, and we get compensated less in NC then I did living in VA, so we took a huge quality of life cut moving here.
Can't believe I am saying this, but I am looking forward to moving back to VA.
Sean
Sean
You have probably already mentioned, but where in NC are you?
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Sean
You have probably already mentioned, but where in NC are you?
:nixweiss:
Jacksonville - just north of Wilmington.
Sean
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Jacksonville - just north of Wilmington.
Sean
That sucks!
My wifes son was at Cherry Point and it seems that around all the bases the cost are jacked way up!
>:( >:( >:(
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I was stunned at it being over .20 cents cheaper in SC than where I'm at in Georgia. I bought high-octane for $3.83 a gallon. It's $4.11 here for 93 octane.
While traveling to Tampa today I saw 93 octane as high as $4.49...Diesel as high as $4.93!
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On Monday I believe Oil traded at $128.00 a barrel. Today at around $122.00 a barrel. Gas prices here in Alabama have risen $.08 a gallon in the same time frame? I never claimed to be the sharpest tool in the shed; so, someone with more intelligence than I of this issue please help. Is it summer demand, less oil allowed to market, higher demand around the world (China and India), other, all the above, or no friggin use in trying to figure it out without blowing a gasket? :'(This crap is really beginning to piss me off :rifle: :rifle: breathe slowly...let the friggin chi flow...breathe....breathe
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Hi Guys
Were paying £1.30p per litre = $2.45 goes up every week
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On Monday I believe Oil traded at $128.00 a barrel. Today at around $122.00 a barrel. Gas prices here in Alabama have risen $.08 a gallon in the same time frame? I never claimed to be the sharpest tool in the shed; so, someone with more intelligence than I of this issue please help. Is it summer demand, less oil allowed to market, higher demand around the world (China and India), other, all the above, or no friggin use in trying to figure it out without blowing a gasket? :'(This crap is really beginning to piss me off :rifle: :rifle: breathe slowly...let the friggin chi flow...breathe....breathe
There is a lag between oil per barrel price & refinery processing inventories. Oil is not processed instantly, & prices do not go up/down until inventories are re-priced.All of the above - summer higher demand, OPEC & others cutting production, other countries (China/India/Russia, etc.), & lateley SPECULATORS have driven the price up.
And I listen to fruitcakes in Congress that say drilling more so we can process more is not the answer. Well duh, but it would create more supply, which inevitably affects pricing.
On a brighter note, South Dakota approved a new refinery. First new one is over 30 years. And guess who is suing & opposing it? SOS, but maybe this time it will get built.
While I am ranting, if we had explored/drilled refined 10 years ago, it would not be a "10 year wait" - the favorite mantra of the current crop of anti-capitalists who oppose ALL of the above, ALL the time. Mainly because of their Global Warming Religion & Marxism.
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There is a lag between oil per barrel price & refinery processing inventories. Oil is not processed instantly, & prices do not go up/down until inventories are re-priced.All of the above - summer higher demand, OPEC & others cutting production, other countries (China/India/Russia, etc.), & lateley SPECULATORS have driven the price up.
And I listen to fruitcakes in Congress that say drilling more so we can process more is not the answer. Well duh, but it would create more supply, which inevitably affects pricing.
On a brighter note, South Dakota approved a new refinery. First new one is over 30 years. And guess who is suing & opposing it? SOS, but maybe this time it will get built.
While I am ranting, if we had explored/drilled refined 10 years ago, it would not be a "10 year wait" - the favorite mantra of the current crop of anti-capitalists who oppose ALL of the above, ALL the time. Mainly because of their Global Warming Religion & Marxism.
I thought that was a main dish!! :huepfenlol2: Not to :beatdeadhorse: but if history is any indication a "10 yr" wait may be very optimistic. Until the electorate "gets it" there will be no improvement in our system of checks and balances. There are many in positions of power who have, so far, benefited greatly by the current state of our economy. :soapbox:
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I thought that was a main dish!! :huepfenlol2: Not to :beatdeadhorse: but if history is any indication a "10 yr" wait may be very optimistic. Until the electorate "gets it" there will be no improvement in our system of checks and balances. There are many in positions of power who have, so far, benefited greatly by the current state of our economy. :soapbox:
One of the main beneficiaries of the so called "greenies" have been the oil companies themselves. After they figured out the game & the way the rules were rigged, they set themselves up to play it & play it they have. Then the so called "greenies" scream & yell "tax 'em, yadda yadda". They are already ahead of that curve also. Oil companies are not dummies - they understand profit motive & know their business is cyclical in nature.
Politicians, both parties, have lined their pockets using this issue. They have also concentrated power using this issue - a most effective wedge. The belief in not drilling to solve our energy problems is basically an insane religion. If that worked, we would stop drilling aquifers & tapping reservoirs to eliminate water shortages. Makes no sense, but that is where we are on petroleum currently.
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Hi Guys
Were paying £1.30p per litre = $2.45 goes up every week
3.79 liters = 1 gallon
$2.45 X 3.79 = $9.28 per gallon :o
Maybe I should stop complaining about $3.64 per gallon here in Oklahoma :nixweiss:
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3.79 liters = 1 gallon
$2.45 X 3.79 = $9.28 per gallon :o
Maybe I should stop complaining about $3.64 per gallon here in Oklahoma :nixweiss:
Good point; but, like trying to quit smoking (cigs), withdrawels is a bitch...
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This is ridiculous! Gas is starting to cost almost as much as bottled water! :nervous:
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This is ridiculous! Gas is starting to cost almost as much as bottled water! :nervous:
More, I pay $2/gallon delivered to my door for bottled water.
And I get waaaaaaaaaaaay better water mileage than LD does gas mileage
Usually go through about 3 litres a day when I'm on a road trip
LD burns up 15 gallons in an average day
B B
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Fed Gas Tax is 18 cent a Gallon, The states add additional 18 - 60 cents- per gallon- Also Some local counties and Cities add additional Cents per gallon so that is way the price will vary From State to state (within the state) and your big Cities.
If there was no Money to be made then the gas supply would dry completely UP. Like it did in 1973 and 1979. The price of fuel was Fixed (Regulated by the Fed's) for those years, SO NO money was to made so we ran out of FUEL
BTDT.
Hmmmm 18 cents tax per gallon.
We pay the equivalent of about $7.68 Tax per gallon in the UK. OK our gallons are a little bigger, but I think you get the picture.
:o
Nige
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Hmmmm 18 cents tax per gallon.
We pay the equivalent of about $7.68 Tax per gallon in the UK. OK our gallons are a little bigger, but I think you get the picture.
:o
Nige
Nige,
I don't think people realize how good they really do have it here in the U.S. Now that they are seeing what it is like to be the rest of the world, you would think maybe they would chit back and appreciate what they do have but instead we act like Paris Hilton when daddy takes her charge card away and throw a temper tantrum.
I think it is time for Americans to evaluate their actual necessary expenditures and live within our means. and maybe that means no big suv, or spinner rims, or god for bid I say it a motorcycle.
Just my two cents people not directed at anybody, I just hate it when people have a since of entitlement to something that really isn't theirs....
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Nige,
I don't think people realize how good they really do have it here in the U.S. Now that they are seeing what it is like to be the rest of the world, you would think maybe they would chit back and appreciate what they do have but instead we act like Paris Hilton when daddy takes her charge card away and throw a temper tantrum.
I think it is time for Americans to evaluate their actual necessary expenditures and live within our means. and maybe that means no big suv, or spinner rims, or god for bid I say it a motorcycle.
Just my two cents people not directed at anybody, I just hate it when people have a since of entitlement to something that really isn't theirs....
We got it good yeah, but we worked hard for over 200 years to get there. And we can do what we can afford because we're free to do that! If every American doesn't appreciate that, then I agree. But nobody needs to give up anything they don't want to if they can afford it.
But questioning our politicians and big oil is not bitching like Paris Hilton. It's what makes us special, knowing we somewhat have the power to cause changes. Nobody likes rising prices, but it's a fact of life. We all make whatever adjustments we need to. But knowing we live in the greatest and strongest country on earth at this moment, and are free to ride our machines, doesn't make me feel entitled. It makes me feel special, and awful lucky to have been born and live here! :2vrolijk_21:
Hoist! 8)
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We got it good yeah, but we worked hard for over 200 years to get there. And we can do what we can afford because we're free to do that! If every American doesn't appreciate that, then I agree. But nobody needs to give up anything they don't want to if they can afford it.
But questioning our politicians and big oil is not bitching like Paris Hilton. It's what makes us special, knowing we somewhat have the power to cause changes. Nobody likes rising prices, but it's a fact of life. We all make whatever adjustments we need to. But knowing we live in the greatest and strongest country on earth at this moment, and are free to ride our machines, doesn't make me feel entitled. It makes me feel special, and awful lucky to have been born and live here! :2vrolijk_21:
Hoist! 8)
well said! and lets all remember to thank those that keep it that way-----------our soldiers.
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Nige,
I don't think people realize how good they really do have it here in the U.S. Now that they are seeing what it is like to be the rest of the world, you would think maybe they would chit back and appreciate what they do have but instead we act like Paris Hilton when daddy takes her charge card away and throw a temper tantrum.
I think it is time for Americans to evaluate their actual necessary expenditures and live within our means. and maybe that means no big suv, or spinner rims, or god for bid I say it a motorcycle.
Just my two cents people not directed at anybody, I just hate it when people have a since of entitlement to something that really isn't theirs....
Actually, when you break it down, the cost of gas is all the same around the world. It's just whatever other program the governments are financing by adding taxes to gasoline. The Europeans have to pay for that social medicine somehow. That comes in the form of higher taxes. If/When Obamasamamama becomes president, you're going to see our tax base go up to pay for his "programs of change" whatever those might be, as he has not given me a clue yet as to what his "change" is all about, except fluff words.
:devil:
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Nige,
I don't think people realize how good they really do have it here in the U.S. Now that they are seeing what it is like to be the rest of the world, you would think maybe they would chit back and appreciate what they do have but instead we act like Paris Hilton when daddy takes her charge card away and throw a temper tantrum.
I think it is time for Americans to evaluate their actual necessary expenditures and live within our means. and maybe that means no big suv, or spinner rims, or god for bid I say it a motorcycle.
Just my two cents people not directed at anybody, I just hate it when people have a since of entitlement to something that really isn't theirs....
1. Speaking strictly for myself; I realize as much if not more than anyone "how good we really do have it here in the U.S".
2. Yes...We as Americans are seeing more and more what the rest of the world is like...Ya know what? I don't like it...We are not the REST of the world...We are Americans; the country who has given freedom with the ultimate sacrafice by many to the REST of the world so if our politicians who sell us out and all of those who want to be in the so called "New one world order" want me to live according to their rules after our sacrafices...HELL NO! I'll throw a BITCH till I die!
3. Paris Hilton...that Bitch can KISS MY ASS...and her daddy and his CREDIT CARDS too.
gottao go take the kids ...I'll be back to finish this later
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It's time for the USA to take care of itself and start getting into mass transit and acquiring are own solutions to the world oil delema. We need to stop relying on foreign oil!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bush and Cheney are making good money with the rising foreign oil cost's which we are having to pay for. We need a Pres for the people!! My opinion!! 8) 8) 8) 8)
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CRUDE OIL IS UP 6.21 , TRADING AT $134.00 A BARREL :soapbox:
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As a rule we avoid the subject of income on this site. We all share a passion for Harley-Davidson motorcycles and that is our common denominator. I have to believe however that not everyone on this site is well off. Probably most of us aren't. Simply working stiffs that get up every day and go to a job probably on average a better job than most, but a job nonetheless. As a percentage of income, the cost of gas is really starting to become an issue. My wife and I are spending $150 a week just on gas for our vehicles. Where does it end, what is the solution ? I have no answers. We are a free market economy. We pride ourselves on it. We preach captitalism the world. And yet we have public utilities because water, sewer and power are essential to the well being of our citizens and our economy. Is it time that we nationalized our oil companies ? That smacks of socialism in a huge way and I'm sure is anathma to many many people. But what's the answer ? We've yet to see this wave crest and break in huge increases across the entire spectrum of our lives. When we do, when inflation runs into double digits, what then ? What's the answer ?
B B
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As a rule we avoid the subject of income on this site. We all share a passion for Harley-Davidson motorcycles and that is our common denominator. I have to believe however that not everyone on this site is well off. Probably most of us aren't. Simply working stiffs that get up every day and go to a job probably on average a better job than most, but a job nonetheless. As a percentage of income, the cost of gas is really starting to become an issue. My wife and I are spending $150 a week just on gas for our vehicles. Where does it end, what is the solution ? I have no answers. We are a free market economy. We pride ourselves on it. We preach captitalism the world. And yet we have public utilities because water, sewer and power are essential to the well being of our citizens and our economy. Is it time that we nationalized our oil companies ? That smacks of socialism in a huge way and I'm sure is anathma to many many people. But what's the answer ? We've yet to see this wave crest and break in huge increases across the entire spectrum of our lives. When we do, when inflation runs into double digits, what then ? What's the answer ?
B B
I ride my MC - saves me a ton over my F150. The SERK is getting 35ish (need to dig into that more) and my KLR gets 50ish. I ride rain or shine - that is what I have done to adapt.
But actually, I would do that anyway. I hate driving.
Sean
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I ride my MC - saves me a ton over my F150. The SERK is getting 35ish (need to dig into that more) and my KLR gets 50ish. I ride rain or shine - that is what I have done to adapt.
But actually, I would do that anyway. I hate driving.
Sean
my hats 'tipped' to ya, you're what I refer to as a 'true biker'. :2vrolijk_21: har! spyder
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As a rule we avoid the subject of income on this site. We all share a passion for Harley-Davidson motorcycles and that is our common denominator. I have to believe however that not everyone on this site is well off. Probably most of us aren't. Simply working stiffs that get up every day and go to a job probably on average a better job than most, but a job nonetheless. As a percentage of income, the cost of gas is really starting to become an issue. My wife and I are spending $150 a week just on gas for our vehicles. Where does it end, what is the solution ? I have no answers. We are a free market economy. We pride ourselves on it. We preach captitalism the world. And yet we have public utilities because water, sewer and power are essential to the well being of our citizens and our economy. Is it time that we nationalized our oil companies ? That smacks of socialism in a huge way and I'm sure is anathma to many many people. But what's the answer ? We've yet to see this wave crest and break in huge increases across the entire spectrum of our lives. When we do, when inflation runs into double digits, what then ? What's the answer ?
B B
No question increases are everywhere, but is getting to a point where we most likely will see choices like Florida Marine is making and a move from our Truck/SUV lifestyle to more econo boxes.
Many folks could get out of the truck and into a commuter and double gas mileage thus reverting to their old gas budget. Of course this does not account for the cost of the commuter car or disposal of the truck if that's the choice.
With a 120 mile commute I could move closer to work and keep driving what I want to, but that would be to simple.
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I have a 60 mile round trip everyday to come to work. I thought about moving back to town so could be close to my office. After doing the math, I figured out that I would only save about $200 per month if I move close to my office. $200.....I'll keep living in the country.
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No question increases are everywhere, but is getting to a point where we most likely will see choices like Florida Marine is making and a move from our Truck/SUV lifestyle to more econo boxes.
Many folks could get out of the truck and into a commuter and double gas mileage thus reverting to their old gas budget. Of course this does not account for the cost of the commuter car or disposal of the truck if that's the choice.
With a 120 mile commute I could move closer to work and keep driving what I want to, but that would be to simple.
The thing about that is you take a beating on trading/selling your SUV/Truck that is paid for to pay top price (possible getting another monthly payment if you're not paying cash) for a more economical vehicle. Then if you buy new(er) you have higher personal property tax (here in Va) and possibly an insurance increase. Right now I'm going to change my driving style (only use SUV when I have to and make sure I combine trips when I do use it) and wait it out. If anything I'll try to find a cheap/economical "Hoop-Tee" to ease the pain at the gas pump. ;D
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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No question increases are everywhere, but is getting to a point where we most likely will see choices like Florida Marine is making and a move from our Truck/SUV lifestyle to more econo boxes.
Many folks could get out of the truck and into a commuter and double gas mileage thus reverting to their old gas budget. Of course this does not account for the cost of the commuter car or disposal of the truck if that's the choice.
With a 120 mile commute I could move closer to work and keep driving what I want to, but that would be to simple.
Roger,
You've inspired me to coin a new slogan
" Rational People Suck "
B B ;)
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The thing about that is you take a beating on trading/selling your SUV/Truck that is paid for to pay top price (possible getting another monthly payment if you're not paying cash) for a more economical vehicle. Then if you buy new(er) you have higher personal property tax (here in Va) and possibly an insurance increase. Right now I'm going to change my driving style (only use SUV when I have to and make sure I combine trips when I do use it) and wait it out. If anything I'll try to find a cheap/economical "Hoop-Tee" to ease the pain at the gas pump. ;D
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
I have a 1987 Corolla that was my "Quantico Car"... I left it on base and took the train when I lived in Fredericksburg. Now it sits in my parking spot at work and is my "rain car"...so I don't have itchy a$$ (man I HATE getting wet and having itchy a$$...).
I am planning on using that when it gets too cold to ride here, but even my standard for that is dropping, used to call it below 40...now I am thinking 30 may be my limit. I am a Floridian - and REALLY thin blooded. But I HATE driving.
I am watching a heated Widder vest on eBay now...just gotta watch the elec consumption, my KLR stator SUCKS. Gotta upgrade it, but even then you are really limited.
Sean
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I have a 1987 Corolla that was my "Quantico Car"... I left it on base and took the train when I lived in Fredericksburg. Now it sits in my parking spot at work and is my "rain car"...so I don't have itchy a$$ (man I HATE getting wet and having itchy a$$...).
I am planning on using that when it gets too cold to ride here, but even my standard for that is dropping, used to call it below 40...now I am thinking 30 may be my limit. I am a Floridian - and REALLY thin blooded. But I HATE driving.
I am watching a heated Widder vest on eBay now...just gotta watch the elec consumption, my KLR stator SUCKS. Gotta upgrade it, but even then you are really limited.
Sean
Luckily I'm less then 10 miles from work, and I've started riding the bike to work more now that I'm in an admin position and don't have to worry about getting TDY to different station. As long as there is no/limited forecast of rain then I'll ride. For that short of a distance it's not worth me getting into a rainsuit, plus I'm anal about keeping the bike clean. I don't mind getting caught in the rain while travelling (actually expect to get caught in it), but if it's just to get to work I'll take the truck. My limit for cold weather had previously been 40 and above, but really haven't tested that since I've got new parts (hip). Possibility that I'll be riding a little longer into the fall and winter at these gas prices.
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
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VERY SIMPLE SOLUTION TO THE CURRENT GAS PRICES.
FIRST - OUR BELOVED CONGRESS NEEDS TO PASS A BILL TO ALLOW IMMEDIATE DRILLING FOR OIL IN ALASKA AND IN THE GULF. THIS WILL SCARE THE CRAP OUT OF THE TOWEL HEADS THAT CONTROL THE OIL AND PRICES WILL DROP TO KEEP US FROM DRILLING. NO THREAT, WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH A PLAN TO START DRILLING. STEP TWO - START BUILDING REFINERY'S LIKE RIGHT NOW. ALONG THE MEXICO BOARDER WOULD BE A GOOD PLACE TO START THE CONSTRUCTION. STEP THREE - STOP WRITING CHECKS FOR FOREIGN AIDE TO EVERY BROKE ASS COUNTRY THAT HAS THEIR HAND OUT. TAKE THAT MONEY AND SPEND IT ON THOSE IN NEED IN THIS COUNTRY. MY TWO CENTS. OH, ALSO ELECT OUT OF OFFICE ANY PUBLIC SERVANT WHO VOTES FOR OVER TAXING THE MIDDLE CLASS AND GIVING IT AWAY TO THE BROKE ASS FOREIGN COUNTRY'S. OH, AND TO THE LIBERALS ON THIS BOARD, GET OVER IT. THIS IS MY OPINION. :soapbox:
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VERY SIMPLE SOLUTION TO THE CURRENT GAS PRICES.
FIRST - OUR BELOVED CONGRESS NEEDS TO PASS A BILL TO ALLOW IMMEDIATE DRILLING FOR OIL IN ALASKA AND IN THE GULF. THIS WILL SCARE THE CRAP OUT OF THE TOWEL HEADS THAT CONTROL THE OIL AND PRICES WILL DROP TO KEEP US FROM DRILLING. NO THREAT, WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH A PLAN TO START DRILLING. STEP TWO - START BUILDING REFINERY'S LIKE RIGHT NOW. ALONG THE MEXICO BOARDER WOULD BE A GOOD PLACE TO START THE CONSTRUCTION. STEP THREE - STOP WRITING CHECKS FOR FOREIGN AIDE TO EVERY BROKE ASS COUNTRY THAT HAS THEIR HAND OUT. TAKE THAT MONEY AND SPEND IT ON THOSE IN NEED IN THIS COUNTRY. MY TWO CENTS. OH, ALSO ELECT OUT OF OFFICE ANY PUBLIC SERVANT WHO VOTES FOR OVER TAXING THE MIDDLE CLASS AND GIVING IT AWAY TO THE BROKE ASS FOREIGN COUNTRY'S. OH, AND TO THE LIBERALS ON THIS BOARD, GET OVER IT. THIS IS MY OPINION. :soapbox:
I don't care a rat's a$$ if you drill for oil in the middle of Yosemite or Yellowstone. You can drill, pump, refine and bring to market a bazillion barrels and it's not gonna bring the price down. You're talking Supply Side economics which went the way of the dinosaurs with the Reagan Administration. Every aspect of world economy today is driven by demand and thanks to us ( in our thirst for more and cheaper everything ) creating a new middle class in China there are now about 20 million more people driving cars than a few years ago. And oh yeah, a few million or so in the former Soviet block countries. So don't expect demand to go away either. And do you really think that having proven that they can charge $4 a gallon and get away with it that you'll ever see gas below that price again. So drill , drill, drill -- -anywhere and everywhere you want. I honestly don't care. You can drill in my back yard if it makes you happy. Getting the oil out of the ground is just a convenient excuse so people like you expend all your energy on ranting about the liberals costing you money. You're focused on supply and supply isn't the issue. The issue is demand. And whether you agree or not, again, I couldn't care less, but the only way to deal with demand is to design and build cars that don't run on fossil fuels. Now you can call that a pinko commie left wing tree huggin liberal idiot idea if you want, but there is one certainty in this whole issue. Sooner or later, maybe later if we drill anywhere and everywhere, but at some point, the oil will run out. I don't care what you do, but when that happens I sure as hell don't want a fossil fuel vehicle in my driveway.
:soapbox: :soapbox: :soapbox: :soapbox:
B B
B B
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The thing about that is you take a beating on trading/selling your SUV/Truck that is paid for to pay top price (possible getting another monthly payment if you're not paying cash) for a more economical vehicle. Then if you buy new(er) you have higher personal property tax (here in Va) and possibly an insurance increase. Right now I'm going to change my driving style (only use SUV when I have to and make sure I combine trips when I do use it) and wait it out. If anything I'll try to find a cheap/economical "Hoop-Tee" to ease the pain at the gas pump. ;D
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
No question increases are everywhere, but is getting to a point where we most likely will see choices like Florida Marine is making and a move from our Truck/SUV lifestyle to more econo boxes.
Many folks could get out of the truck and into a commuter and double gas mileage thus reverting to their old gas budget. Of course this does not account for the cost of the commuter car or disposal of the truck if that's the choice.With a 120 mile commute I could move closer to work and keep driving what I want to, but that would be to simple.
Thought I covered the beating. :rolleyes2: :yes: :bigcry: :rolleyes4: :whip: :beatdeadhorse:
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Thought I covered the beating. :rolleyes2: :yes: :bigcry: :rolleyes4: :whip: :beatdeadhorse:
I knew I had heard that info from a reliable source. :2vrolijk_21:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
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Roger,
You've inspired me to coin a new slogan
" Rational People Suck "
B B ;)
OK, here's what I see.
We are a debtor nation for the first time in history, our dollar has fallen over 40% on the international market because of this and many other factors.................just in the past year.
If oil was $85.00 a barrel when our dollar was a dollar, and oil is priced on the dollar, so it has gone up 40% for us.
The solution is simple, get the economy back where it was and the barrel of oil goes down 40% ($135.00 X40= $54.00)
$135.00 minus the $54.00 gets the oil back to $81.00 a barrel
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I knew I had heard that info from a reliable source. :2vrolijk_21:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Most reliable, :huepfenlol2:
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spider, we are on the same page. Demand has driven the cost up globally. If we (USA) take care of us first and not send what we are getting out of the pipe line to Japan and become self sufficient than the price has to go down. What I am saying is a short term solution, long term we (USA) need to find an alternate to oil to get us around. Short term this financially effects everyone and will drive up inflation. I lived through the early 70''s and don't want to go back to gas lines and odd/even BS.
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OK, here's what I see.
We are a debtor nation for the first time in history, our dollar has fallen over 40% on the international market because of this and many other factors.................just in the past year.
If oil was $85.00 a barrel when our dollar was a dollar, and oil is priced on the dollar, so it has gone up 40% for us.
The solution is simple, get the economy back where it was and the barrel of oil goes down 40% ($135.00 X40= $54.00)
$135.00 minus the $54.00 gets the oil back to $81.00 a barrel
That's a big part of it Roger. Of course, the fix is going to be rather tough considering why we have become such a debtor nation. We started a war and paid for it with I.O.U.'s while cutting taxes on the wealthiest citizens and corporations. We allowed hundreds of thousands of decent paying jobs to be moved to ultra low cost countries like China, and then imported all those products that used to be made here. Our government promotes excessive consumption and generation of excessive debt to keep our economy moving. The negative savings rate and the fact that the average American is in hock up to his ears, can't afford health care or retirement, and is lucky to keep a roof over his head; those are things we'll worry about some other time. For right now, though, we'll just send everyone a check and encourage more mindless consumption to try and make the retail numbers look good for one more quarter. And let's not tell anyone that we had to borrow the money from China to cover those checks.
Jerry
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spider, we are on the same page. Demand has driven the cost up globally. If we (USA) take care of us first and not send what we are getting out of the pipe line to Japan and become self sufficient than the price has to go down. What I am saying is a short term solution, long term we (USA) need to find an alternate to oil to get us around. Short term this financially effects everyone and will drive up inflation. I lived through the early 70''s and don't want to go back to gas lines and odd/even BS.
FYI
I just went off on my own rant. It really wasn't directed at you personally. I'm surprised given that most farm equipment is diesel and of course semi-tractors and just about everything used to produce nearly all consumables in this country that we haven't seen huge increases already.
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Anyone been wondering how those folks in India, China, etc. are able to keep increasing consumption as oil prices double and triple? Subsidies from their governments, financed by the huge revenues generated by all those jobs we exported to them.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20080611/cm_csm/esubsidies
Jerry
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Subject: Gas Price Relief Plan
OPEC sells oil for $128.00 a barrel.
OPEC nations buy U.S. grain at $7.00 a bushel.
Solution: Sell grain for $128.00 a bushel.
Can't buy it? Tough! Eat your oil
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I had the same idea about all the desalinization plants we built in Saudi so they could have pure drinking water. Shut them down and let them drink oil!!
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Subject: Gas Price Relief Plan
OPEC sells oil for $128.00 a barrel.
OPEC nations buy U.S. grain at $7.00 a bushel.
Solution: Sell grain for $128.00 a bushel.
Can't buy it? Tough! Eat your oil
Sounds good (in theory) When they get hungry, we could probably work something out with them ;) And if they don't want to deal with us, we could always distill the grain and use it for fuel.
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... we could always distill the grain and use it for fuel.
of some type anyway.
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went to buy a couple hundred feet of garden hose. whipped into lowes and the price was outrageous. went down the road to ace, same thing. whipped into dollar general and guess what-----------it was even higher!
common thread was-- fuel prices have driven up prices on everything.
well, after cussing everyonethat would listen, my point was that in each case, the hose was coated in months of dust. now if months of dust had settled on the hose, it told me one thing-- gas prices had nothing to do with price of product going up 300-400 PERCENT. greed did that! my opinion is since everyone can use the excuse of fuel rising to raise prices, they have free reign to rip me off.
lets look at this. a semi loaded with product has to pay a 30% increase in fuel costs, so the market rises 40 % to account for energy costs. OK, no prob, but when the retailer does an across the board price hike of 400%, i will never buy from them again!!!!! and everyone is using the same excuse!
BTW, yesterday, on the way home from getting parts, i passed a house that had around 600 feet of garden hose at the curb for garbage------------yep, i loaded the hoopty and am now watering my garden with free hose. i will watch the market to see if shares dropped. anyone wanna take the odds?
OH, got a really nice rain today, sure am glad i didnt drop my drawers for the jacked up hose. POETIC is it not?
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Oh well, looks as if now I've got to worry 'bout someone stealing my yard hoses as well as draining my gas tank. :( aaaaargh. spyder
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Oh well, looks as if now I've got to worry 'bout someone stealing my yard hoses as well as draining my gas tank. :( aaaaargh. spyder
They say great minds think alike. I just went outside and check both front and rear hoses :)
We're good. JJ and John Madden can buy their own gas.
B B
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The latest....
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Dennis I agree with your logic. I'll apply it to the current fuel situation. How can the the price change daily at a station that gets it's tanks filled weekly? Or at most, every couple days. Hasn't the gas in the ground been charged to the station already?
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Hasn't the gas in the ground been charged to the station already?
In my profession we pass along price increases and decreases as they occur even though we have a warehouse full of product. This is not uncommon and is a basic principle of economics.
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In my profession we pass along price increases and decreases as they occur even though we have a warehouse full of product. This is not uncommon and is a basic principle of economics.
Can the price go up on an invoice for product the retailer has possession of before the invoice is paid?
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Can the price go up on an invoice for product the retailer has possession of before the invoice is paid?
No...at least in my business...pharmaceuticals...we receive notification of any increases or decreases the day of the event at which time we past along to the customer.
This does not allow us to take advantage of the notification up or down.
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went to buy a couple hundred feet of garden hose. whipped into lowes and the price was outrageous. went down the road to ace, same thing. whipped into dollar general and guess what-----------it was even higher!
common thread was-- fuel prices have driven up prices on everything.
well, after cussing everyonethat would listen, my point was that in each case, the hose was coated in months of dust. now if months of dust had settled on the hose, it told me one thing-- gas prices had nothing to do with price of product going up 300-400 PERCENT. greed did that! my opinion is since everyone can use the excuse of fuel rising to raise prices, they have free reign to rip me off.
lets look at this. a semi loaded with product has to pay a 30% increase in fuel costs, so the market rises 40 % to account for energy costs. OK, no prob, but when the retailer does an across the board price hike of 400%, i will never buy from them again!!!!! and everyone is using the same excuse!
BTW, yesterday, on the way home from getting parts, i passed a house that had around 600 feet of garden hose at the curb for garbage------------yep, i loaded the hoopty and am now watering my garden with free hose. i will watch the market to see if shares dropped. anyone wanna take the odds?
OH, got a really nice rain today, sure am glad i didnt drop my drawers for the jacked up hose. POETIC is it not?
Should'a bought the flying pig whe ya had the chance!!! DOH!!! ??? ::) :o ;D ;D ;)
Hoist! 8)
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Should'a bought the flying pig whe ya had the chance!!! DOH!!! ??? ::) :o ;D ;D ;)
Hoist! 8)
why you @#$#%^&, its on now! im gonna take my free hose and lasso that sucker. if you smell fresh ham cookin----just go back to sleep, its not YOUR breakfast.
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why you @#$#%^&, its on now! im gonna take my free hose and lasso that sucker. if you smell fresh ham cookin----just go back to sleep, its not YOUR breakfast.
Well, then just save me some fat for my sausage gravy! :D :jalapeno:
Hoist! 8)
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Well, then just save me some fat for my sausage gravy! :D :jalapeno:
Hoist! 8)
Gotta get me some gravy and biscuits when I'm down in the south - ain't never had em before!!
:)
Nige
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Gotta get me some gravy and biscuits when I'm down in the south - ain't never had em before!!
:)
Nige
Wow - the BEST biscuits and gravy was at the USO, Camp Kinser in Okinawa...damn good! Your missing out!
Sean
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Wow - the BEST biscuits and gravy was at the USO, Camp Kinser in Okinawa...damn good! Your missing out!
Sean
Now Marine isn't that called SOS (_hit On a Shingle) :huepfenlol2:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
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Now Marine isn't that called SOS (_hit On a Shingle) :huepfenlol2:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Yeah, but I would eat that any day...
Cracker Barrel is good also, but not Kinser USO good - IMVHO.
Sean
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Filled the work truck up yesterday. The fuel gauge is broken and I'm too cheap to fix it. I use the odometer to figure fuel consumption. Anyway, as I was pumping along the hose didn't turn off. I actually walked around the truck to make sure there wasn't a hole and it wasn't spilling onto the ground. It must have been totally empty as it took 38.01 gallons. @ $4.61/ gal that's $175 !!! to fill it up.
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Filled the work truck up yesterday. The fuel gauge is broken and I'm too cheap to fix it. I use the odometer to figure fuel consumption. Anyway, as I was pumping along the hose didn't turn off. I actually walked around the truck to make sure there wasn't a hole and it wasn't spilling onto the ground. It must have been totally empty as it took 38.01 gallons. @ $4.61/ gal that's $175 !!! to fill it up.
I know I've said it before so sorry about the :beatdeadhorse: but I believe the current "fuel" crisis is one of the most effective forms of terrorisn there is.
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Filled the work truck up yesterday. The fuel gauge is broken and I'm too cheap to fix it. I use the odometer to figure fuel consumption. Anyway, as I was pumping along the hose didn't turn off. I actually walked around the truck to make sure there wasn't a hole and it wasn't spilling onto the ground. It must have been totally empty as it took 38.01 gallons. @ $4.61/ gal that's $175 !!! to fill it up.
My God you guys have got it good over there. That little fill would have cost you $371.00 at my local filling station in the UK.
;) ::) :P
Nige
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My God you guys have got it good over there. That little fill would have cost you $371.00 at my local filling station in the UK.
;) ::) :P
Nige
Hey Nige, thanks for continuing to point out our good situation in this aggrevating fuel price escalation. It always makes me feel better to know that we're not getting shafted any worse than others. :D har! :drink: spyder
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My God you guys have got it good over there. That little fill would have cost you $371.00 at my local filling station in the UK.
;) ::) :P
Nige
It's a matter of perspective...
Thanks
:2vrolijk_21:
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I'm looking forward to the LOW cost of travelling when I hit your shores in 6 weeks.
8)
Nige
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I'm looking forward to the LOW cost of travelling when I hit your shores in 6 weeks.
8)
Nige
And there you have it...perspective...
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I know I've said it before so sorry about the :beatdeadhorse: but I believe the current "fuel" crisis is one of the most effective forms of terrorisn there is.
I've actually been thinking about and talking about this all afternoon. The main problem we are having right now it not so much the increase, although it hurts, it is the dramatic percentage increase in such a short time. The cost of fuel has gone up about 35% in the last six months. Unfortunately most American incomes have not seen a corresponding increase. As a result a greater % of disposable income is being spent on fuel rather than staples of even modest luxury items. Nige, think if you fuel was to increase from 9.75/gal to 13/gal in 6 months.
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I've actually been thinking about and talking about this all afternoon. The main problem we are having right now it not so much the increase, although it hurts, it is the dramatic percentage increase in such a short time. The cost of fuel has gone up about 35% in the last six months. Unfortunately most American incomes have not seen a corresponding increase. As a result a greater % of disposable income is being spent on fuel rather than staples of even modest luxury items. Nige, think if you fuel was to increase from 9.75/gal to 13/gal in 6 months.
.........and it doesn't stop at the pump. The disposable income is eaten further by the correlating increase in consumables as well :coolblue:
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.........and it doesn't stop at the pump. The disposable income is eaten further by the correlating increase in consumables as well :coolblue:
You mean like, garden hoses, Howie? har! spyder
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You mean like, garden hoses, Howie? har! spyder
zactly spyder, zactly :huepfenlol2: :drink:
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.........and it doesn't stop at the pump. The disposable income is eaten further by the correlating increase in consumables as well :coolblue:
My problem is I can't increase the price of a game of pool much more than a dollar a game.
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I've actually been thinking about and talking about this all afternoon. The main problem we are having right now it not so much the increase, although it hurts, it is the dramatic percentage increase in such a short time. The cost of fuel has gone up about 35% in the last six months. Unfortunately most American incomes have not seen a corresponding increase. As a result a greater % of disposable income is being spent on fuel rather than staples of even modest luxury items. Nige, think if you fuel was to increase from 9.75/gal to 13/gal in 6 months.
I don't need to think - it's gone up by about 35/40% in the last 6 months also.
In your green back terms I was paying about $7.00 a US gallon around 6 months ago now it is about $9.76 a US Gallon.
:'(
Nige
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My problem is I can't increase the price of a game of pool much more than a dollar a game.
Basic principle of economics - elastic vs inelastic demand. Things you need, you can jack up the price on, things you don't "need" you can't.
Nobody needs to play pool, so you cannot raise the price much >:( - but folks need gas.
Sean
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My problem is I can't increase the price of a game of pool much more than a dollar a game.
AJ
Since everyone pumps quarters into the machine, what's another quarter mean ? If you own all the tables in a given area, people don't have any choice. I'd say consolidate your market sector so you can control your destiny. Sell some tables that are off in locations by themselves and try to buy ones you compete with.
As usual, I have an opinion on everything. :)
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If we agree (and it's doubtful that we ALL agree) that energy is currently a CONSUMPTION problem (worldwide demand skyrocketing). Consumption up (demand) = price increases. So some politicians propose conservation (use less energy) & energy alternatives that may or may not be viable. That ignores a basic fact - we can produce more energy, including petroleum, but we have CHOSEN not to.
Why has the US chosen not to produce more petroleum? Not much drilling as well as restricted refining capacities? That's a good rant, have no time for it now, and besides usually it generates the yadda yadda we are gonna destroy the damn planet with greenhouse gasses and other semi-funny religiously inspired follies from uber religious eco-naughtsnuts. Producing more oil does NOT solve the problem, but it DECREASES the trade deficit and keeps more dollars at home instead of building CASTLES IN THE SAND abroad (just heard the Hendrix tune so it's on my mind). Plus, we get more oil which is at a minimum a PARTIAL solution.
So until I get a reasonable answer on the no drilling religious mantra, I remain convinced the Repubs as well as Dems benefit from the current situation as much as the oil companies do. Besides, I just got my electric bill (electricity here generated by natural gas - 100%). Looking into do-it-yourself nuclear reactors but wonder about the zoning on those here...... :nixweiss:
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Saw a news item the other day blaming a lot of the recent increase to commodities trading.
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Saw a news item the other day blaming a lot of the recent increase to commodities trading.
Speculators are in it for a buck, no doubt. But they see consumption increases with OPEC (so far) keeping supplies low in relation to said demand, & they smell blood in the water.
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That is what I have been saying all along its not the oil companies it's the traders that are driving prices up. They are in a frenzy and the oil companies are reeping the benifits!! AND US WE ARE FEELING THE PAIN!!!
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That is what I have been saying all along its not the oil companies it's the traders that are driving prices up. They are in a frenzy and the oil companies are reeping the benifits!! AND US WE ARE FEELING THE PAIN!!!
That OK, it won't last very long, we will all feel the pain of a DEPRESSION when the bubble burst. Just get ready to dig a deep hole to hide in. :nervous: :nervous: :nervous:
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That OK, it won't last very long, we will all feel the pain of a DEPRESSION when the bubble burst. Just get ready to dig a deep hole to hide in. :nervous: :nervous: :nervous:
The Motor Company's new ad campaign says that they're not gonna participate in the recession/DEPRESSION/bad times. :nixweiss: :-\ :confused5: spyder
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The Motor Company's new ad campaign says that they're not gonna participate in the recession/DEPRESSION/bad times. :nixweiss: :-\ :confused5: spyder
Har...Har.. :huepfenlol2:
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Don't forget, everyone, that roughly 1/3 of the price increase in fuel in 2008 is caused by the drop in value of the dollar internationally. If the value of the dollar is restored, we'll see prices (per barrel) drop. We can only hope this translates to lower pump prices.
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Just got off the phone with a good friend from Maine who cancelled a long planned trip to Alaska this summer NOT because of the current price of gas for his motorhome, but because at $4.50 /gallon for home heating oil he's looking at $7,500 to heat his house next winter. I hadn't thought of this, but at the rate prices are rising we're going to be reading about people in the cold weather states freezing to death come this winter.
B B
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Just got off the phone with a good friend from Maine who cancelled a long planned trip to Alaska this summer NOT because of the current price of gas for his motorhome, but because at $4.50 /gallon for home heating oil he's looking at $7,500 to heat his house next winter. I hadn't thought of this, but at the rate prices are rising we're going to be reading about people in the cold weather states freezing to death come this winter.
B B
And the ole-timers in Florida stewing in their own juices during the summer. :( spyder
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Just got off the phone with a good friend from Maine who cancelled a long planned trip to Alaska this summer NOT because of the current price of gas for his motorhome, but because at $4.50 /gallon for home heating oil he's looking at $7,500 to heat his house next winter. I hadn't thought of this, but at the rate prices are rising we're going to be reading about people in the cold weather states freezing to death come this winter.
B B
Your friend is one of the smart ones. I just saw a news report a few days ago saying that most people in the cold weather states are not taking into account for the higher home oil heating bills coming this winter. Too far off in the distance for them to think about.
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The cost of gas is affecting us in so many ways. The increase in EVERTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just got off the phone with a good friend from Maine who cancelled a long planned trip to Alaska this summer NOT because of the current price of gas for his motorhome, but because at $4.50 /gallon for home heating oil he's looking at $7,500 to heat his house next winter. I hadn't thought of this, but at the rate prices are rising we're going to be reading about people in the cold weather states freezing to death come this winter.
B B
The Assistant Director of our local HOG chapter told us at the last meeting that the 105th celebration is having thousands of cancellations due to people figuring out the cost of their trip ---- or maybe it is the realization that the expenses they will experience over the rest of the year ---- is beyond what they had budgeted when they made their plans. People who were not able to get rooms and stuff a few months ago should be able to find reservations with ease, according to him.
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Gas here in Canada has hit over $6.00 per gallon. A car dealer I know up here has had 12 cancellations on pickup truck orders the first 2 weeks of June and the people are leaving him the $1000.00 deposit. THE MUFFMAN
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Gas here in Canada has hit over $6.00 per gallon. A car dealer I know up here has had 12 cancellations on pickup truck orders the first 2 weeks of June and the people are leaving him the $1000.00 deposit. THE MUFFMAN
Yes, talked to Tim, brother in law from Vancouver, BC yesterday and he told us the price of gas. OMG!!!!!!!!!
The price of gas is going to make everyone rethink driving. But as the cost of everything else in our lives keeps going up not sure what adjustments we will all take.
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:o Yeah it just keeps going up and up. I won't be going on some of the trips I had planned either. Bummer. Oil companies just getting richer and richer while the average citizen struggles more and more.
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We just cancelled our trip to the Outer Banks that we were going to go on next week. I got to adding up what diesel was going to cost me plus the cost of the RV site and incidentals and it just came out to too much for right now. When I explained the reason why we were cancelling, the person at the RV Resort responded that she understood and that we weren't the first to cancel because of fuel costs.
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We just cancelled our trip to the Outer Banks that we were going to go on next week. I got to adding up what diesel was going to cost me plus the cost of the RV site and incidentals and it just came out to too much for right now. When I explained the reason why we were cancelling, the person at the RV Resort responded that she understood and that we weren't the first to cancel because of fuel costs.
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Makes you wonder what business like that (RV Resorts, Motel/Hotel, etc) are going to do to survive this. Wonder if they'll start discounting or adding incentives to get business. It's going to come a time when they are going to be glad to get some revenue and eat bologna instead of worrying about making a lot and eating steak. :nixweiss:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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That $160 worth of diesel I put in the ton truck awhile back...........is still in there. The ton truck is parked. I'm riding the motorcycles when it ain't raining or Renea's truck when it is. Mr Heckler and Mr. Koch make sure no one siphons off my diesel while we're at home, and Ms. Annie Bea and Mr. Springer stand guard when we're not here to bring Mr. H&K to bear, ready willing and able to rip off a leg or arm.........if required. I really like those H&Ks tho'................fine pieces of artiller.............I mean weaponry.
Anyway...........the ton truck is full of diesel and will likely stay that way. Heck I can't afford to fill it up again...............and no one will buy the damn thing with the price of D2 as high as it is. CHIT!
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Makes you wonder what business like that (RV Resorts, Motel/Hotel, etc) are going to do to survive this. Wonder if they'll start discounting or adding incentives to get business. It's going to come a time when they are going to be glad to get some revenue and eat bologna instead of worrying about making a lot and eating steak. :nixweiss:
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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It's bound to have it's affect on the tourist/travel industry. Most people don't plan to spend the biggest portion of their trip budget on fuel. It sucks and I hate having the RV sitting in storage and not doing what we bought it for. :(
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It's Time for the Horse a Buggy!!!! Can you imagine a horse with a Fob Key!!!!!!!!! :huepfenjump3: :huepfenjump3:
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I spent another $150.00 on fuel today and at 4.51.9 a gallon I felt lucky to get it so cheap.
Now if that's not sad I'm not sure what is.
And what's really sad is I will probably do it again Friday or Saturday.
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It's bound to have it's affect on the tourist/travel industry. Most people don't plan to spend the biggest portion of their trip budget on fuel. It sucks and I hate having the RV sitting in storage and not doing what we bought it for. :(
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DITTO that! Mine is setting out in my shop building. I've had it out twice this year, but only for very short trips. We have a lake with a very nice camping area just a couple of miles from the house. I may make a few trips the the lake here close to the house....should only cost me $5 or $10 in diesel to get there and back.
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DITTO that! Mine is setting out in my shop building. I've had it out twice this year, but only for very short trips. We have a lake with a very nice camping area just a couple of miles from the house. I may make a few trips the the lake here close to the house....should only cost me $5 or $10 in diesel to get there and back.
We've got a really nice RV Resort about 70 miles away...we make make a couple of 3-4 day trips there to at least get the feel of doing some RV'ing. ;)
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My RV is an 2005. I'd sell it in a heartbeat, if I thought I could get what I think it's worth :(
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Everyone is re-thinking what they do- The backyard doesn't look so bad Now does it? folks that tarvel by bike will still go places NOW more than ever, Aren't you glad you know how to ride :2vrolijk_21:
Lifestyle changes are the hardest to make only for those that don't know the joy of MC travel :P
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DITTO that! Mine is setting out in my shop building. I've had it out twice this year, but only for very short trips. We have a lake with a very nice camping area just a couple of miles from the house. I may make a few trips the the lake here close to the house....should only cost me $5 or $10 in diesel to get there and back.
I am in the same boat - spring break was only hauling the RV to Myrtle Beach instead of Florida (home... :-\)
Planning some local trips from here...but the OBX is local to me here, sort of.
Red Devil- ever been to Luray? Great camping ground there, and I am friends with the owners - worth a weekend in the mountains. Like an hour from F'burg.
Sean
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My RV is an 2005. I'd sell it in a heartbeat, if I thought I could get what I think it's worth :(
Keep it, and enjoy it when you can, Things change and time changes everything, Once you sell it a time will come in the Future that you wish you still had it BTDT
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I am in the same boat - spring break was only hauling the RV to Myrtle Beach instead of Florida (home... :-\)
Planning some local trips from here...but the OBX is local to me here, sort of.
Red Devil- ever been to Luray? Great camping ground there, and I am friends with the owners - worth a weekend in the mountains. Like an hour from F'burg.
Sean
I live very close to there ( 30 miles) you can park it in my driveway- We can work out the details Whenever, Also I Know a few Bike trails in the area. It pays to be nice , Just ask BAD Howie ;D
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It's bound to have it's affect on the tourist/travel industry. Most people don't plan to spend the biggest portion of their trip budget on fuel. It sucks and I hate having the RV sitting in storage and not doing what we bought it for. :(
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The first two weeks of June have actually been good here in Hilton Head Island. A lot of tourists that would have been flying have decided to stay closer to home. Local places like Chuck E. Cheese are fairing better than destinations like Disney World. Of course, I'm bucking the tread and meeting the family in Orlando this weekend. I'm seeing a lot of out of town plates which is always a good sign this time of the year.
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Keep it, and enjoy it when you can, Things change and time changes everything, Once you sell it a time will come in the Future that you wish you still had it BTDT
I'm gonna park mine on the land we are planning to by near Luray...use it as the base of operations as I rebuild/improve/build? "The Final House" for my post uncle sams misguided children club time...
Sean
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I bought a condo for rental within an hour of Seattle at a new destination resort.
It is staying full because of location. The location was always good, but with gas where it is, being within an hour and a half of 3.5 million people sure doesn't hurt.
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The first two weeks of June have actually been good here in Hilton Head Island. A lot of tourists that would have been flying have decided to stay closer to home. Local places like Chuck E. Cheese are fairing better than destinations like Disney World. Of course, I'm bucking the tread and meeting the family in Orlando this weekend. I'm seeing a lot of out of town plates which is always a good sign this time of the year.
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I am in the same boat - spring break was only hauling the RV to Myrtle Beach instead of Florida (home... :-\)
Planning some local trips from here...but the OBX is local to me here, sort of.
Red Devil- ever been to Luray? Great camping ground there, and I am friends with the owners - worth a weekend in the mountains. Like an hour from F'burg.
Sean
Sean,
Thanks. You're right there are some nice camping areas out there...and it's not that far away. We'll definitely have to lookin to that. :2vrolijk_21:
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I'm doing a staycation this year. (One less road side bomb for the diaper heads). :drink:
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If it weren't for the Smurf getting 40+ mpg on the last trip(CHL 2), I would be spending more time at the house.
As to RVing, well it still is parked in the shade. Diesel is too high to run a 7.5 mpg dually fully loaded down with the fifth wheel very far. >:( :(
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Saw an article this morning about some gas station operators refusing to accept credit cards for gas purchases. Merchants pay the credit card companies a percentage on every transaction, and since it's a percentage rather than a flat fee, the cost per gallon has steadily increased until it is now running around 10 cents per gallon (average interchange fee is between 2 and 3 percent on most major credit cards).
I can see it now, not only will a fill-up cost over $100, but everyone will have to either go back to carrying large amounts of cash or step into the wayback machine and start writing checks again (I'm not sure I remember how to write checks).
Jerry
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Saw an article this morning about some gas station operators refusing to accept credit cards for gas purchases. Merchants pay the credit card companies a percentage on every transaction, and since it's a percentage rather than a flat fee, the cost per gallon has steadily increased until it is now running around 10 cents per gallon (average interchange fee is between 2 and 3 percent on most major credit cards).
I can see it now, not only will a fill-up cost over $100, but everyone will have to either go back to carrying large amounts of cash or step into the wayback machine and start writing checks again (I'm not sure I remember how to write checks).
Jerry
I saw a similar article in todays paper. I was thinking about what a target filling stations will be with all that cash floating around. Actually, both the stations and the customers.
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I have the answer. :bulb2:
Do what d00d does. :fireman:
Sit around and spend all your time on this website :oops:
B B
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I have the answer. :bulb2:
Do what d00d does. :fireman:
Sit around and spend all your time on this website :oops:
B B
Pardon me SIR 10:45 am pacific time and you are on line . pot calling the kettle black A :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:
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Pardon me SIR 10:45 am pacific time and you are on line . pot calling the kettle black A :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:
And to think I thought you were slow. :P
B B
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And to think I thought you were slow. :P
B B
What??? I'm trying to take a nap and you are making me respond so as to get the last word. I know I can? :confused5:
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What??? I'm trying to take a nap and you are making me respond so as to get the last word. I know I can? :confused5:
FYI
There's 68 people saving gas as I type this
That's a lot of pots and kettles
B B
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I have the answer. :bulb2:
Do what d00d does. :fireman:
Sit around and spend all your time on this website :oops:
B B
It works. :P
Chithead!!!! :huepfenlol2:
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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FYI
There's 68 people saving gas as I type this
That's a lot of pots and kettles
B B
We owe you a debt of gratitude for keeping those people off our roads. I salute you good sir.
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Saw an article this morning about some gas station operators refusing to accept credit cards for gas purchases. Merchants pay the credit card companies a percentage on every transaction, and since it's a percentage rather than a flat fee, the cost per gallon has steadily increased until it is now running around 10 cents per gallon (average interchange fee is between 2 and 3 percent on most major credit cards).
I can see it now, not only will a fill-up cost over $100, but everyone will have to either go back to carrying large amounts of cash or step into the wayback machine and start writing checks again (I'm not sure I remember how to write checks).
Jerry
We take credit cards on most purchases at our store. The discounts vary widely and certain buying groups can negotiate deals with processors. Percentages can go as high as five percent. Transactions are rated as: qualifying, mid-qualifying an non qualifying.
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Most consumers have no idea what a hit a merchant takes on card sales. We are unable to take credit cards on cell phone prepaid air time. Example: $20.00 card with state and federal tax cost the customer 21.68. 1.08 goes to card company, 1.40 goes to state, 0.18 goes to federal netting me 19.02. My cost, 19.00. My profit, 0.02 or one tenth of one percent.
Many cards fall into this non qualifying category: business and corporate cards, high risk consumer cards, transactions where the card number must be keyed in like phone orders and cards with damaged magnetic strips. When you accept the card you may not know what the discount will be until the statement is posted online. So you can see that any merchandise that is handled on a close five or ten percent margin can yield a loss to the merchant. On top of the discount, transaction fees of 0.15 and monthly service charges add to the cost. Some states even have a gross receipts tax of one percent. Ever wonder why the banks have those big tall buildings? :(
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Ever wonder why the banks have those big tall buildings? :(
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Because we live in the land of the fee! :orange:
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What ever happened to the phrase Service Station????? Now it's Bend Over Station!!!! :behead2:
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In the 1970's when I pumped gas at a full service station, we washed the windows - front, back & even sides as needed - checked the tires & the oil, and usually had some $.25 crappola item to give a customer for a fillup. A fillup was usually 8-12 gallons. A whopping $3.00 or so at 30 cents a gallon. Once got chewed out by the station owner for not washing the windshield/checking tires of a guy who came in & got 2 bucks worth. His neighbor so go figure. Did the usual tires, belts, hoses, batteries, oil changes, mufflers, etc. common to full serve stations at the time. And still had time to do high school/college homework & chase a variety of gals who would stop in to visit. And wash my own car & play a weird game of football involving throwing the ball over the roof......
Gas prices increased to 48-50 cents or so a gallon and we had lines of cars waiting for gas - Carter era. Customers would scream at me (me the guy making minimum wage), throw $5 on the ground & drive away giving a 1 finger salute. We still washed windows, checked oil, etc. but the customers became rather surly, and we stopped giving away 25 cent crappola stuff.
I noticed the automatic paper receipts are working now in most stations. A year or so ago it was common for them to be broke - out of paper, etc. at least once a week or so where I traveled. My guess (partly) is attendants are tired of getting yelled at/blamed for $75 fillups.
The above trip to nostalgia lane was brought about by a conversation I had regarding ethanol yesterday. If we "conserve" oil OPEC (and others) will just cut back production. Why is it ok to send mega billions in money for oil to foreign countries, while those folks ok with that complain about China & India grabbing jobs away? Consider the MANY thousands of jobs that COULD be had in the USA in the oil industry TODAY, that instead are in the ME & other oil producing countries around the world. Weird disconnect.
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I dropped my truck off this AM for a oil change, $110, its a diesel...Just got off the phone, batteries are going south another $250...Crikey when does it stop??? Oh yeah I filled it up the AM too...$140...I need to get a 2nd job.... :'(
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I dropped my truck off this AM for a oil change, $110, its a diesel...Just got off the phone, batteries are going south another $250...Crikey when does it stop??? Oh yeah I filled it up the AM too...$140...I need to get a 2nd job.... :'(
Mike
Or quit the one you have so you don't need the truck!
You can live off the love generated on this website.
Like you, I crack myself up sometimes!
:huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:
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(http://www.mb01.com/getimage.asp?m=17&o=731&i=8092.dat)
Does anybody know what the deal is with that $2.99 a gallon for 3 years that Dodge is offering with new purchases?
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I noticed the automatic paper receipts are working now in most stations. A year or so ago it was common for them to be broke - out of paper, etc. at least once a week or so where I traveled. My guess (partly) is attendants are tired of getting yelled at/blamed for $75 fillups...
I recently noticed the same thing!
BTW, diesel at exit 1 on I95s in GA was just $4.73
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Mike
Or quit the one you have so you don't need the truck!
You can live off the love generated on this website.
Like you, I crack myself up sometimes!
:huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:
:zroflmao:
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I recently noticed the same thing!
BTW, diesel at exit 1 on I95s in GA was just $4.73
$5 a gallon diesel in the near future......
For stuff that was cheaper than gas for years. :nixweiss:
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And not refined like regular unleaded??????????????????????????????????????????? >:(
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$5 a gallon diesel in the near future......
For stuff that was cheaper than gas for years. :nixweiss:
Costs less to refine also...its about 3-4 steps earlier then gas if I recall.
TAXES
Sean
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When gas sold for $.19 a gallon, not sure what the tax cut was. But figure it was less than a nickel then. Now it's 40-50 cents or more per gallon. Another govt. piggy program to feed.
:soapbox: There should be ZERO Fed. deductions and ONCE each year we should be required to write a check (or send an E-transfer) of our TOTAL federal tax obligations. (Gas tax, tire taxes, income tax, SS tax, etc., etc., etc.) The amount would stagger those of us who are paying taxes, and we MIGHT elect pols who would do more than mouth yadda yaddas when confronted with the bills we pay for their PORK.
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That $160 worth of diesel I put in the ton truck awhile back...........is still in there. The ton truck is parked. I'm riding the motorcycles when it ain't raining or Renea's truck when it is. Mr Heckler and Mr. Koch make sure no one siphons off my diesel while we're at home, and Ms. Annie Bea and Mr. Springer stand guard when we're not here to bring Mr. H&K to bear, ready willing and able to rip off a leg or arm.........if required. I really like those H&Ks tho'................fine pieces of artiller.............I mean weaponry.
Anyway...........the ton truck is full of diesel and will likely stay that way. Heck I can't afford to fill it up again...............and no one will buy the damn thing with the price of D2 as high as it is. CHIT!
Quoting myself.........OK, so I had to drive the ton truck today. Went to Rome, GA to drop off some stuff for Vgirl to sell in her new shop. I nursed it along. That big Cummins will actually get 22 mpg and better if I can keep my foot out of the fuel pump. I was rather impressed. It took alot of discipline to keep from rompin' on it, but at today's diesel prices.....................a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do.
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Quoting myself.........OK, so I had to drive the ton truck today. Went to Rome, GA to drop off some stuff for Vgirl to sell in her new shop. I nursed it along. That big Cummins will actually get 22 mpg and better if I can keep my foot out of the fuel pump. I was rather impressed. It took alot of discipline to keep from rompin' on it, but at today's diesel prices.....................a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do.
Henry,
Am doing the same as you.
Figured out a good while back that if I drove closer to 70 than 80 mph, I got a few extra MPGs in the Charger. Plus I don't have to watch as much for FLHP radar speed traps, which seem to be everywhere now. Notice they catch a LOT of out of state speeders. Adds a few minutes to the trips I suppose. Hope V's store does well.
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Henry,
Am doing the same as you.
Figured out a good while back that if I drove closer to 70 than 80 mph, I got a few extra MPGs in the Charger. Plus I don't have to watch as much for FLHP radar speed traps, which seem to be everywhere now. Notice they catch a LOT of out of state speeders. Adds a few minutes to the trips I suppose. Hope V's store does well.
;D My numbers are "closer to 60 than 70"..............and I prefer 80, but that just isn't doable anymore with a diesel.........unless you are well resourced. :(
I think V's shop is gonna do very well.
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Glad to hear her shop should do well.
I'd rather drive 100 mph (and I used to fairly often on a few stretches of road) but have decided that in my elderly declining years of semi-senility that I will ride the bikes faster & drive the cars/trucks slower. Suppose I am just humoring myself, but I get tired of spending $300 a week on gas.
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When gas sold for $.19 a gallon, not sure what the tax cut was. But figure it was less than a nickel then. Now it's 40-50 cents or more per gallon. Another govt. piggy program to feed.
...and a free six pack of Coke with a fill up :2vrolijk_21: Doc
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The energy crisis we are facing is due to a government that doesn't work. Any idiot could see this coming, and even now the secular progressive tree huggers are keeping us from developing our national resources.
I got so depressed about fuel prices, I was seriously thinking of "ending it all". I was watching TV and saw an ad for some suicide help line. -Thought I'd give it a try. WTF! Anyway, with all the outsourcing, I think an Arab answered the phone. When I told him I was suicidal, he asked me if I had a CDL or knew how to pilot a plane. He told me he would put me on hold to talk to some guy named Allah. I think he said that was who was in charge of the DMV. They promised me a one way ticket to Iran, and a FREE tank of gas once I got there! I guess I get a choice of a short or long fuse. :orange:
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Funny post! ;D :tekst-toppie:
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Glad to hear her shop should do well.
I'd rather drive 100 mph (and I used to fairly often on a few stretches of road) but have decided that in my elderly declining years of semi-senility that I will ride the bikes faster & drive the cars/trucks slower. Suppose I am just humoring myself, but I get tired of spending $300 a week on gas.
Hmmmmmmmmmmm...............we must get together the next time Renea and I are down at The Outpost. Haven't been to Blackcreek in two years now. We'll be visiting later this year...............September, perhaps. What is it............Walton County Rd 3280 that runs between FL20 and US331? I love that road at 100mph on a Bagger. :2vrolijk_21: I hope that place hasn'r changed much. We used to hang out there every Sunday afternoon when we lived closer. We'll be lodging in Seaside, FL this time.
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Hmmmmmmmmmmm...............we must get together the next time Renea and I are down at The Outpost. Haven't been to Blackcreek in two years now. We'll be visiting later this year...............September, perhaps. What is it............Walton County Rd 3280 that runs between FL20 and US331? I love that road at 100mph on a Bagger. :2vrolijk_21: I hope that place hasn'r changed much. We used to hang out there every Sunday afternoon when we lived closer. We'll be lodging in Seaside, FL this time.
Lisa & I would love to meet up with you at the Outpost. From memory, that's where it is. Good straight road for "theorectically" traveling faster than the legally posted speed limit. ;D
Let me know when the time gets closer & we will plan a trip over to meet up with you & Renea.
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They promised me a one way ticket to Iran, and a FREE tank of gas once I got there! I guess I get a choice of a short or long fuse.
Don't fall for that offer. The Chithead was keeping those 21 virgins for himself. Get the full meal deal or tell him to look for another volunteer! :D
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I don't care a rat's a$$ if you drill for oil in the middle of Yosemite or Yellowstone. You can drill, pump, refine and bring to market a bazillion barrels and it's not gonna bring the price down. You're talking Supply Side economics which went the way of the dinosaurs with the Reagan Administration. Every aspect of world economy today is driven by demand and thanks to us ( in our thirst for more and cheaper everything ) creating a new middle class in China and India and there are now about 20 million more people driving cars than a few years ago. And oh yeah, a few million or so in the former Soviet block countries. So don't expect demand to go away either. And do you really think that having proven that they can charge $4 a gallon and get away with it that you'll ever see gas below that price again. So drill , drill, drill -- -anywhere and everywhere you want. I honestly don't care. You can drill in my back yard if it makes you happy. Getting the oil out of the ground is just a convenient excuse so people like you expend all your energy on ranting about the liberals costing you money. You're focused on supply and supply isn't the issue. The issue is demand. And whether you agree or not, again, I couldn't care less, but the only way to deal with demand is to design and build cars that don't run on fossil fuels. Now you can call that a pinko commie left wing tree huggin liberal idiot idea if you want, but there is one certainty in this whole issue. Sooner or later, maybe later if we drill anywhere and everywhere, but at some point, the oil will run out. I don't care what you do, but when that happens I sure as hell don't want a fossil fuel vehicle in my driveway.
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B B
Just wanted to bump this to the top of the thread as what I'm saying above has been making the rounds of Glenn Beck, Hannity and others this past week. Hmmmmmmmmm I'm on the same page as the right wing mouthpieces. Now there's a novelty.
B B
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most i have paid so far saturday 21st June 75lt £99.69p = $188.41 diesel.....tax value..(vat & fuel duty combined=) :'(....... $98.94
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most i have paid so far saturday 21st June 75lt £99.69p = $188.41 diesel.....tax value..(vat & fuel duty combined=) :'(....... $98.94
OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :o
I'm hating to think where it might stop.
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Hmmmmmmmmmmm...............we must get together the next time Renea and I are down at The Outpost. Haven't been to Blackcreek in two years now. We'll be visiting later this year...............September, perhaps. What is it............Walton County Rd 3280 that runs between FL20 and US331? I love that road at 100mph on a Bagger. :2vrolijk_21: I hope that place hasn'r changed much. We used to hang out there every Sunday afternoon when we lived closer. We'll be lodging in Seaside, FL this time.
dont post the date and time or you may get intercepted by an ugly guy on a black bike.
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As some of you know, I'm selling new Toyota's for a living now (or attempting to). Almost every single day, I have someone pull into the lot in a big assed truck, SUV, etc, etc that they purchased two or three years ago when few people foresaw the coming increase in fossil fuel prices. Only a very few Americans are able to pay cash for a vehicle...most average Americans have to finance new cars for at least 60 months to get an "affordable" monthly payment. Sooooo, these folks come into the dealership looking for something that gets over 30mpg, which is no problem for several Toyota gas only cars, including Yaris, Corolla, and Camry. Even some of the 2.4 liter Tacoma's (mid size pickup) and Rav4 get close to 30mpg on the highway IF driven at 65mph. They paid 40K or more for that big assed truck or SUV two years ago. Even if gas prices had remained at $2.50 a gallon, they would have negative equity (upside down, or "hooked" as we refer to it) on trade in value. Now, even if they've owned the vehicle for 4 years, they are still upside down due to the plumeting value of these vehicles. And I mean these things are dropping by as much as $1000 a WEEK in value. Some places, like CarMax, etc are refusing to even take these vehicles in trade, regardless, as they cannot resale, or even recoup the trade value at an auction. My advice to those who have one of these vehicles and don't really NEED it for the purpose it was intended, is either take the hit and get rid of it, finance the negative equity into a new loan, and get something they actually can afford to operate, using the gas savings dollars to help offset the higher payment, and get it paid for, or pay on it for 4 years, and they will at least be even on the next trade. If the big assed truck is paid for, and they actually NEED it on occasion, PARK IT, and buy something they can afford to drive back and forth to work and on vacations. More than one person has actually gotten pissed off at ME for offering them 15K on a vehicle they still owe 30K on. That is just the market value...the demand is just not out there for those vehicles. If you NEED a big truck, you can get one for a song now...find a good used one, and you'll steal it.
I had a young medical resident from India buy a Corolla from me this past week...he was telling me about the conditions in his home country now. The average person in his country has always DREAMED of owning their own car, something we take for granted here. It may be a 3K car, but because of the economy in India right now, the average person is finally able to realize that dream. Of course, India does not have the infrastructure to support the boom in vehicles on the roads, so traffic conditions are horrific. Same thing is happening in China. The point is, does anyone think for one millisecond that no matter what we do, demand for fuel is going to go DOWN? If you do, you are living in a separate reality from the rest of the world. We can chew up the entire Rocky Mountain Plateau for shale oil, drill in the Arctic, drill offshore in Florida, blah, blah, blah....which, by the way, would take about 10 years to realize any gain in production....and never see prices drop for fuel.
The bottom line is we can all bitch and moan about prices at the pump, but it's just pissin' in the wind, and it's blowin' all on your friends (Jerry Jeff Walker), but until we get a mindset of driving vehicles that actually FUNCTION to get us from point A to point B in relative comfort and efficiency, it's all just wasted words. Existing technology needs to be improved, and alternative solutions need to be developed...that is the answer, plain and simple. Human beings are not the masters of the Universe, or even this planet. If you are of a religious mindset, the bible says we are given domain over all living things on this insignificant blue ball, and it also says we are to be good STEWARDS as well. Raping the planet for our own selfish needs/wants will only escalate our own demise as a specie.
The guy who invented Hybrid Synergy technology for automobiles tried to sell it to GM..they were not interested, as they were realizing huge profits at the time....so Toyota bought the guy's genius, improved upon it, and now we have one of the most in demand vehicles in the marketplace now, the Prius, now in it's 4th generation of development, and more good things to come by 2010. Now GM has purchased Toyota's 1st or 2nd generation of Hybrid Synergy technology, as has Honda, and a few others. They'll never catch up...
Like it or not, you're going to be driving something very different in the next few years, or modify your lifestyle to put fuel in what you want to drive.
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TC
I like you a lot man and much of what you're saying here is true, but you are way off the mark in your comments regarding someone who owns their vehicle outright. If I have a Ford F-350 and I'm getting say 14 mpg , I own it outright, no payments, and then I go out and buy a Tundra that gets 28 mpg, I go from NO payment to what $3,000 down and $450 a month for 5 years ? So I buy 1/2 the gas. What does the average person drive - - - 1200 miles a month ? So I'm going to buy 42 gallons of gas ($189) instead of 84 gallons ($378) for a savings of $189 per month. Don't see how I'd ever break even, let alone get ahead on this deal. It seems fairly obvious that your comment on parking the big truck is baseless buddy. Good luck on your new career. You seem to have caught on quick to the obvious similarities between car salesmen and politicians. :D
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It was bound to happen.....
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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Quoting myself.........OK, so I had to drive the ton truck today. Went to Rome, GA to drop off some stuff for Vgirl to sell in her new shop. I nursed it along. That big Cummins will actually get 22 mpg and better if I can keep my foot out of the fuel pump. I was rather impressed. It took alot of discipline to keep from rompin' on it, but at today's diesel prices.....................a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do.
What! :vrolijk27: I'm lucky to see 15.2 with the "04" Dually I have. How are you managing this? :confused5:
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TC
I like you a lot man and much of what you're saying here is true, but you are way off the mark in your comments regarding someone who owns their vehicle outright. If I have a Ford F-350 and I'm getting say 14 mpg , I own it outright, no payments, and then I go out and buy a Tundra that gets 28 mpg, I go from NO payment to what $3,000 down and $450 a month for 5 years ? So I buy 1/2 the gas. What does the average person drive - - - 1200 miles a month ? So I'm going to buy 42 gallons of gas ($189) instead of 84 gallons ($378) for a savings of $189 per month. Don't see how I'd ever break even, let alone get ahead on this deal. It seems fairly obvious that your comment on parking the big truck is baseless buddy. Good luck on your new career. You seem to have caught on quick to the obvious similarities between car salesmen and politicians. :D
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Exactly. It makes no sense for people to panic and unload their big vehicles at bargain basement prices, especially those who own them outright. And I've yet to see a Corolla or Prius towing a travel trailer or a boat. People have to be intelligent enough to analyze their own situation and not just follow the crowd. For instance, back when gas was only in the $3 range I looked at trading the wife's Escape on the hybrid version (her idea, not mine). Since she drives a whopping 6k miles per year, I figured at least one of us and quite possibly both would be dead before breaking even on the deal.
Assuming gas prices continue up into the stratosphere, my strategy doesn't include dumping the paid for vehicles, but instead involves buying her a new bicycle along with an old fashioned reel lawnmower and a new snow shovel. I want the world to know that my wife can be just as green as the next person.
Jerry
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Exactly. It makes no sense for people to panic and unload their big vehicles at bargain basement prices, especially those who own them outright. And I've yet to see a Corolla or Prius towing a travel trailer or a boat. People have to be intelligent enough to analyze their own situation and not just follow the crowd. For instance, back when gas was only in the $3 range I looked at trading the wife's Escape on the hybrid version (her idea, not mine). Since she drives a whopping 6k miles per year, I figured at least one of us and quite possibly both would be dead before breaking even on the deal.
Assuming gas prices continue up into the stratosphere, my strategy doesn't include dumping the paid for vehicles, but instead involves buying her a new bicycle along with an old fashioned reel lawnmower and a new snow shovel. I want the world to know that my wife can be just as green as the next person.
Jerry
What you say makes sense, to follow the crowd would be foolish. The best defense to all that has happen to the US in its economic crisis, is to establish priorities to the manner of life style a person wishes to obtain. Trust me, it will not be easy.
In the "60's", a family could live on $6240.00 a year with a little overtime. In today's dollars, that would translate to approx. $62,000.00 a year. It is just a matter of priorities.
Just my .02
Peace
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TC
I like you a lot man and much of what you're saying here is true, but you are way off the mark in your comments regarding someone who owns their vehicle outright. If I have a Ford F-350 and I'm getting say 14 mpg , I own it outright, no payments, and then I go out and buy a Tundra that gets 28 mpg, I go from NO payment to what $3,000 down and $450 a month for 5 years ? So I buy 1/2 the gas. What does the average person drive - - - 1200 miles a month ? So I'm going to buy 42 gallons of gas ($189) instead of 84 gallons ($378) for a savings of $189 per month. Don't see how I'd ever break even, let alone get ahead on this deal. It seems fairly obvious that your comment on parking the big truck is baseless buddy. Good luck on your new career. You seem to have caught on quick to the obvious similarities between car salesmen and politicians. :D
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My degree is in Psych, BB ;D
Seriously though, I'm not saying you'd get ahead, or even break even, only that the money saved in fuel would help offset the payment for the more efficient vehicle, and in the bigger picture, conserve the resource. And, if you put fewer miles on the paid for truck, you reduce maintainance costs as well. Less than 1/2 the people with vehicles that are relative gas guzzlers (I'm talking trucks and SUV's, not big luxury cars) actually use the vehicle for the intent, but just 'cause they "like" being in a big vehicle that is actually less safe than most of the smaller, more fuel efficient cars on the road. I'm talking about the "average" american, who uses their vehicle just to go back and forth the office 90% of the time, and not a contrator or other business that actually needs the power and space of a larger SUV or truck. If the person bought a car which gets 35+mpg, or a Hybrid, which gets 45++mpg, the savings would be significant, particularly if they drove the car past the payoff period. If all a person did in a Prius was drive in the city or crowded interstates getting back and forth to work, it is truely capable of over 60mpg. And, it's no slouch in the torque/HP department because of the electric motor's inherent superiour torque.
Even the 1.8 and 2.4 liter gas engines with dual overhead cams and VVT-i (variable valve timing with intelligence) produce a lot more power than most people realize, as they are constantly changing the intake and exhaust cam timing to produce the most efficient yet powerful output to meet the needs of the driver's input. Couple that with electronically controlled 4, 5, or 6 speed automatic transmissions (depending on engine pairing) with intelligence, and you have a responsive, yet efficient vehicle. Most buyers who come in to our dealership, including some guys who are pretty big dudes, are really shocked at the interior space, power, and comfort of the new compacts and mid size cars.
On the other hand, if a person comes in who's making a 600 dollar a month payment on a truck they paid 30K for, has 5k in negative equity that has to be rolled into a 25K vehicle, for a total finance of 30K and a 600 dollar a month payment for 5 years, but is going to lower his/her monthly fuel costs by 1/2 or 2/3, the family budget is taking less of a hit every month.
I'm just seeing a lot more men come in looking for fuel economy to get back and forth to their jobs, and keeping the truck parked during the week and using it on the weekend to haul the bass boat, or go hunting, etc.
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dont post the date and time or you may get intercepted by an ugly guy on a black bike.
What..........are you kidding me? Dennis, you are one of the VERY FEW from whom that would be an honor. You'll get a phone call, Brother!
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What! :vrolijk27: I'm lucky to see 15.2 with the "04" Dually I have. How are you managing this? :confused5:
Discipline, my friend. Easy on and easy off the throttle. EASY DOES IT..............all except for last night. I was driving the ton truck taking me, Renea, Ken, and Cheri to supper. I just love to see cars disappear in a cloud of diesel smoke at night. It's OK to play every now and then. I don't mind...........................damn.......even then I was getting 18.5........it sucks to be us. ;D
As for them Toyoter things.........keep 'em. I'll keep my big assed truck.
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Exactly. It makes no sense for people to panic and unload their big vehicles at bargain basement prices, especially those who own them outright. And I've yet to see a Corolla or Prius towing a travel trailer or a boat. People have to be intelligent enough to analyze their own situation and not just follow the crowd. For instance, back when gas was only in the $3 range I looked at trading the wife's Escape on the hybrid version (her idea, not mine). Since she drives a whopping 6k miles per year, I figured at least one of us and quite possibly both would be dead before breaking even on the deal.
Assuming gas prices continue up into the stratosphere, my strategy doesn't include dumping the paid for vehicles, but instead involves buying her a new bicycle along with an old fashioned reel lawnmower and a new snow shovel. I want the world to know that my wife can be just as green as the next person.
Jerry
Jerry, you are exactly right, my friend. Here are some facts I've figured out through researching this subject: Toyota offers a REALLY nice hybrid SUV called a Highlander that is rated by the EPA (they changed the way they rate vehicles, by the way) for 25/27. If you're smart enough to do the calculations based on average miles per year most people drive, it would take 10 years to pay for the difference between the hybrid cost of the vehicle and the gas version. Lexus makes a Hybrid that would take 60 years to pay for itself!! I actually tell my customers that if they are buying for environmental reasons, or to conserve the resource, they are purchasing for the right reasons. However, if they need the towing capacity, child carrying ability, etc, they are just as well off buying the gas only version for a few thousand less, as the 3.5V6 gets 18/25 (or more). On the other hand, the Camry Hybrid will pay the difference off in approx 1.5 years, and the Prius will pay for itself in about 3 years, though it's a tough one because there's really nothing much to compare it to. We currently have a waiting list of 8 people for Prius',so they are sold before they roll off the truck, and for MSRP +, varying in price from about 24K to 34K, depending on packages people want.
It just takes a few minutes to sit down and figure out if purchasing a new, more economical vehicle makes sense for your family. Most people don't buy a new car because it makes sense, thank goodness. ;)
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Discipline, my friend. Easy on and easy off the throttle. EASY DOES IT..............all except for last night. I was driving the ton truck taking me, Renea, Ken, and Cheri to supper. I just love to see cars disappear in a cloud of diesel smoke at night. It's OK to play every now and then. I don't mind...........................damn.......even then I was getting 18.5........it sucks to be us. ;D
As for them Toyoter things.........keep 'em. I'll keep my big assed truck.
I understand, Henry.
However, I'll put a Toyota Tundra with crew cab, towing package (10,800lbs), 5.7 liter, 381HP/401TQ, up against ANY truck in it's class, and I will guarantee superior performance in every single regard.
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I understand, Henry.
However, I'll put a Toyota Tundra with crew cab, towing package (10,800lbs), 5.7 liter, 381HP/401TQ, up against ANY truck in it's class, and I will guarantee superior performance in every single regard.
Does it out do a 325/600 Cummings, 6-speed manual with a 373 rear end? I forgot to mention it's a electronic shift 4X4 dually. If interested in specs, Look up the "04" Laramie by Dodge.
This puppy will haul a 35ft fifth wheel, GVW of 16k with no trouble. I'd like to see the Tundra do that.
That is the reason this engine will on its best day give 15.2 mpg. :oops:
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Jerry, you are exactly right, my friend. Here are some facts I've figured out through researching this subject: Toyota offers a REALLY nice hybrid SUV called a Highlander that is rated by the EPA (they changed the way they rate vehicles, by the way) for 25/27. If you're smart enough to do the calculations based on average miles per year most people drive, it would take 10 years to pay for the difference between the hybrid cost of the vehicle and the gas version. Lexus makes a Hybrid that would take 60 years to pay for itself!! I actually tell my customers that if they are buying for environmental reasons, or to conserve the resource, they are purchasing for the right reasons. However, if they need the towing capacity, child carrying ability, etc, they are just as well off buying the gas only version for a few thousand less, as the 3.5V6 gets 18/25 (or more). On the other hand, the Camry Hybrid will pay the difference off in approx 1.5 years, and the Prius will pay for itself in about 3 years, though it's a tough one because there's really nothing much to compare it to. We currently have a waiting list of 8 people for Prius',so they are sold before they roll off the truck, and for MSRP +, varying in price from about 24K to 34K, depending on packages people want.
It just takes a few minutes to sit down and figure out if purchasing a new, more economical vehicle makes sense for your family. Most people don't buy a new car because it makes sense, thank goodness. ;)
Terry,
You guys sound like HD now...MSRP + for a Prius. Last I checked a fully loaded Prius goes for about $29K, if you're selling them now for $34K, that's a tidy $5K gouging profit (the owner of your dealership isn't Fat Bastard is it?)...it's all supply and demand, just like the oil prices. The car dealerships are just as guilty of ripping the consumers off as big oil is. In that sense, you're no different then big oil. If the owner of dealerships were actually concerned about the environment and saving fuel costs, they wouldn't be gouging their customers like that and would be pushing the more fuel efficient vehicles by passing on incentives to the customer, not ripping them off. Now, all your talk about saving costs over the life of the vehicle on gas gets wiped out by the $5K + gouge the owner has placed on the car. Doesn't hurt your 3% commission either. My wife has a Prius that we bought in 04 and paid MSRP and most dealerships were asking $1500 over for it because they were very popular. It boils down to everybody talks bold about saving fuel and buying energy efficient vehicles, but the consumer/customer get screwed.
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Terry,
You guys sound like HD now...MSRP + for a Prius. Last I checked a fully loaded Prius goes for about $29K, if you're selling them now for $34K, that's a tidy $5K gouging profit (the owner of your dealership isn't Fat Bastard is it?)...it's all supply and demand, just like the oil prices. The car dealerships are just as guilty of ripping the consumers off as big oil is. In that sense, you're no different then big oil. If the owner of dealerships were actually concerned about the environment and saving fuel costs, they wouldn't be gouging their customers like that and would be pushing the more fuel efficient vehicles by passing on incentives to the customer, not ripping them off. Now, all your talk about saving costs over the life of the vehicle on gas gets wiped out by the $5K + gouge the owner has placed on the car. Doesn't hurt your 3% commission either. My wife has a Prius that we bought in 04 and paid MSRP and most dealerships were asking $1500 over for it because they were very popular. It boils down to everybody talks bold about saving fuel and buying energy efficient vehicles, but the consumer/customer get screwed.
Didn't you know in the business world, opportunity is presented by calamity. Of course the dealerships are going to go above MSRP to make profit. The problem with the senario is, "Be careful for what you ask for" syndrome is present and cascades into other avenues of the economy. Therefore you are _ucked. :nervous:
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My advice to those who have one of these vehicles and don't really NEED it for the purpose it was intended, is either take the hit and get rid of it, finance the negative equity into a new loan, and get something they actually can afford to operate, using the gas savings dollars to help offset the higher payment, and get it paid for, or pay on it for 4 years, and they will at least be even on the next trade. fuel in what you want to drive.
"Finance the negative equity!"
Did he really say, "Finance the negative equity?"
That is one of the many things that is wrong with our nation today!
Finance something you don't even own.
IMHO that is as stupid as anything I have ever heard.
Lets buy something and pay more than what it's worth.
Then add thousands of dollars in extra's to it and charge that to the credit card.
Then when times get tough sell it for a loss and or "finance the negative equity".
Then every month make payments on that negative equity and make payment on the charge card for something you do not even posses.
That may be the new American Way but it is not mine and never will be.
Terry, we love you and Suzanne to death but due to your situation you have become what I would have to call a "Toyota Moonie", one that lives and breathes every word that giant corporation feeds you to help you sell their product. That's not the Terry I know and I am very dissappointed to think you would post about "financing negative equity" to members of this site. I'm not sure what Toyota says about the percentage of people that will believe that crap but I really think most of the member of this site are smarter than that.
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And Henry
The powerstroke only gets 17.5 mpg but you are an inspiration.
I'm going to baby it for a few day to see how much better I can do!
I doubt if I can hit your 22 but going to give it a try!
Your da man!
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I understand, Henry.
However, I'll put a Toyota Tundra with crew cab, towing package (10,800lbs), 5.7 liter, 381HP/401TQ, up against ANY truck in it's class, and I will guarantee superior performance in every single regard.
I wouldn't know, Terry, and at the risk of further enhancing my asshole status on the website, I really don't care, since 1/2 ton trucks don't interest me. Now, when them Toyoter folks start making a one ton dually truck with a TRUE diesel (in-line six) then I might allow my interest to pique. I may be wrong, but I don't think so ::) ...............A Tundra is nowhere near the same class as my truck, and I'm pretty sure that if I can keep my foot out of the CP4, I'll get better mileage than that Tundra........................but now we're seeing who can pee the farthest!.................and doing the research ain't worth my time since..................The bottom line is, I ain't gettin' rid of my truck. It's a good truck with an awesome engine that'll be around long after I'm dead and gone.
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"Finance the negative equity!"
Did he really say, "Finance the negative equity?"
That is one of the many things that is wrong with our nation today!
Finance something you don't even own.
IMHO that is as stupid as anything I have ever heard.
Lets buy something and pay more than what it's worth.
Then add thousands of dollars in extra's to it and charge that to the credit card.
Then when times get tough sell it for a loss and or "finance the negative equity".
Then every month make payments on that negative equity and make payment on the charge card for something you do not even posses.
That may be the new American Way but it is not mine and never will be.
Terry, we love you and Suzanne to death but due to your situation you have become what I would have to call a "Toyota Moonie", one that lives and breathes every word that giant corporation feeds you to help you sell their product. That's not the Terry I know and I am very dissappointed to think you would post about "financing negative equity" to members of this site. I'm not sure what Toyota says about the percentage of people that will believe that crap but I really think most of the member of this site are smarter than that.
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And Henry
The powerstroke only gets 17.5 mpg but you are an inspiration.
I'm going to baby it for a few day to see how much better I can do!
I doubt if I can hit your 22 but going to give it a try!
Your da man!
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Chip,
This is one time I cannot differ with you with all of this post.
And I agree on this statement, "but I really think most of the member of this site are smarter than that".
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George
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I wouldn't know, Terry, and at the risk of further enhancing my asshole status on the website, I really don't care, since 1/2 ton trucks don't interest me. Now, when them Toyoter folks start making a one ton dually truck with a TRUE diesel (in-line six) then I might allow my interest to pique. I may be wrong, but I don't think so ::) ...............A Tundra is nowhere near the same class as my truck, and I'm pretty sure that if I can keep my foot out of the CP4, I'll get better mileage than that Tundra........................but now we're seeing who can pee the farthest!.................and doing the research ain't worth my time since..................The bottom line is, I ain't gettin' rid of my truck. It's a good truck with an awesome engine that'll be around long after I'm dead and gone.
Henry,
I agree with you 100%. When a Teeyooter can pull my 36ft 5th Wheel and get me 11-12 mpg at 70mph, then I might consider that. When they can put a bullet-proof 610TQ/325HP, in-line six, engine in a 3/4 ton body that can do that and get me 20 mpg when not towing, then I'll consider it, but until then, I'll keep my Ram 2500. I don't like the price of diesel right now, but there's nothing out there made by the folks from the land of the rising sun that will serve my needs and get me better gas mileage.
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I'm going to toss a curveball into this discussion - - - - - - - Pleasure. Enjoying your life and those things you buy to enhance it. I sold my 2003 Black and Silver 100th Anniversary Edition Ford F-150 Harley-Davidson Supercharged Supercrew when gas hit $3/gallon. I loved that truck. Loved it more than any vehicle with four wheels I ever owned. Loved it with a passion. So why did I sell it ? Because I made a purely economic decision which is what this thread is mostly about. I had 18 months to go on the payment of $620 a month. I was buying 25 gallons per week of Premium gasoline at $3/gallon and the insurance was costing me $157/month because the vehicle was rated high performance, high theft . I sold it for $3,000 OVER book value so I paid off the loan and had some cash left over. I bought a new 2008 Ford Ranger XLT extended cab with a 3l engine and 5 speed automtaic trans. Single CD player, AC and power windows , door locks etc. In short the best Ranger I could find. I effin HATE the MF. Okay, let's get that straight right outa the box I sold my all time most favorite 4 wheel vehicle to buy something I hate. Not a day goes by that I don't miss my Harley truck. I used to get thumbs up and waves from adults and little kids alike in that H-D truck. Like everything I own, I kept it clean and polished 99% of the time. Now I ride around in a Joe Schmoe little truck that tilts to the side I'm sitting on because I'm too effin big for the Mutha Effa. BUT, I'm saving more than the cost of the Schmuck Truck in gas alone every month to say nothing of the payment and insurance (my insurance is now $56/month) I saved so much the wife has a brand new Mitsu rocket sled (HER favorite car ever) OH yeah and the absolute worst part ? I'm on the verge of being retired with a decent disability/retirement package so the H-D truck could have sat in the yard, gotten tender loving care and grown old with me. Bottom Line ?
DON'T TALK TO ME ABOUT GAS AND MONEY WITHOUT INCLUDING HAPPINESS
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Bottom Line ?
DON'T TALK TO ME ABOUT GAS AND MONEY WITHOUT INCLUDING HAPPINESS
B B
Amen to that Bro!! :2vrolijk_21:
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DON'T TALK TO ME ABOUT GAS AND MONEY WITHOUT INCLUDING HAPPINESS
B B
Good point BB!
No matter how much gas it burns, how can there be any happiness in making payment on something you don't own.
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I'm going to toss a curveball into this discussion - - - - - - - Pleasure. Enjoying your life and those things you buy to enhance it. I sold my 2003 Black and Silver 100th Anniversary Edition Ford F-150 Harley-Davidson Supercharged Supercrew when gas hit $3/gallon. I loved that truck. Loved it more than any vehicle with four wheels I ever owned. Loved it with a passion. So why did I sell it ? Because I made a purely economic decision which is what this thread is mostly about. I had 18 months to go on the payment of $620 a month. I was buying 25 gallons per week of Premium gasoline at $3/gallon and the insurance was costing me $157/month because the vehicle was rated high performance, high theft . I sold it for $3,000 OVER book value so I paid off the loan and had some cash left over. I bought a new 2008 Ford Ranger XLT extended cab with a 3l engine and 5 speed automtaic trans. Single CD player, AC and power windows , door locks etc. In short the best Ranger I could find. I effin HATE the MF. Okay, let's get that straight right outa the box I sold my all time most favorite 4 wheel vehicle to buy something I hate. Not a day goes by that I don't miss my Harley truck. I used to get thumbs up and waves from adults and little kids alike in that H-D truck. Like everything I own, I kept it clean and polished 99% of the time. Now I ride around in a Joe Schmoe little truck that tilts to the side I'm sitting on because I'm too effin big for the Mutha Effa. BUT, I'm saving more than the cost of the Schmuck Truck in gas alone every month to say nothing of the payment and insurance (my insurance is now $56/month) I saved so much the wife has a brand new Mitsu rocket sled (HER favorite car ever) OH yeah and the absolute worst part ? I'm on the verge of being retired with a decent disability/retirement package so the H-D truck could have sat in the yard, gotten tender loving care and grown old with me. Bottom Line ?
DON'T TALK TO ME ABOUT GAS AND MONEY WITHOUT INCLUDING HAPPINESS
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Just to make you remember what you gave up. [I am so mean]
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We still have ours, but honestly, it does not get many trips out of the yard, and it was never purchased to work hard. It's only job was to look good.
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Just to make you remember what you gave up. [I am so mean]
Damn!, What a beautiful truck!
Has it been lowered?
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Ya It was so sweet and I to Sold it and am kicking my self every day!
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We still have ours, but honestly, it does not get many trips out of the yard, and it was never purchased to work hard. It's only job was to look good.
My poor F-150 just sits now... Head unit died week or so back...no rush to replace it.
Can't be good for it to sit, but not good for my wallet to drive it. :nixweiss:
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We still have ours, but honestly, it does not get many trips out of the yard, and it was never purchased to work hard. It's only job was to look good.
I have a Frontier that serves the same purpose.
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Does it out do a 325/600 Cummings, 6-speed manual with a 373 rear end? I forgot to mention it's a electronic shift 4X4 dually. If interested in specs, Look up the "04" Laramie by Dodge.
This puppy will haul a 35ft fifth wheel, GVW of 16k with no trouble. I'd like to see the Tundra do that.
That is the reason this engine will on its best day give 15.2 mpg. :oops:
The Toyota Tundra half ton truck and the big 1 ton Dodge are not even
close to being in the same class. He said in the same class.
Look TC is just trying to make a living selling cars, it is not an easy
job. Have any of you tried it? He seems to be knowledgable about
his product and probably 95% of the people who want to trade
are upside down in their auto. He has no choice but to finance
the negative equity if he wants to sell a car and pay his bills.
You guys can be pretty cruel, lighten up on him. Remember
he is our friend isn't he?
TC, I hope you sell a lot of cars and that things are getting better
for you!! :2vrolijk_21:
Mark
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Does it out do a 325/600 Cummings, 6-speed manual with a 373 rear end? I forgot to mention it's a electronic shift 4X4 dually. If interested in specs, Look up the "04" Laramie by Dodge.
This puppy will haul a 35ft fifth wheel, GVW of 16k with no trouble. I'd like to see the Tundra do that.
That is the reason this engine will on its best day give 15.2 mpg. :oops:
Well George, your truck is a bit different than mine. I'm 325/610 Cummins, 48RE w/373 and manual shift 4X4 dually, 05 SLT by Dodge. Nurse that puppy. G E N T L E.............almost to the point of pissin' off folks behind you........................E A S Y on that accelerator, and do the math at fill up. Don't trust that POS readout in the overhead center console. The ODO and fuel taken on board is the ONLY accurate means of mpg measurement. Try it......you may be surprised that if you drive C O N S E R V A T I V E L Y, you'll get better'n the 15.2 you mention. For the record, my overhead hovers at 18.7 when I'm deadheading. All that goes out the window when I haul anything.
Still...........it's my truck............I love it............its a good truck...........and I'm keepin' it. :2vrolijk_21:
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Just to make you remember what you gave up. [I am so mean]
BIGDOG,
You are hereby awarded EBCM # 9.25
AJ
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BIGDOG,
You are hereby awarded EBCM # 9.25
AJ
I've never seem my EBCM # published, but I believe it's # 1 so go easy on BIGDOG ok ; I can take it
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BIGDOG,
You are hereby awarded EBCM # 9.25
AJ
AJ, I'm sorry man. But 9.25 has already been issued. You need to check with the keeper :mango: .
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What..........are you kidding me? Dennis, you are one of the VERY FEW from whom that would be an honor. You'll get a phone call, Brother!
thanks bro. now if i could just get these new (used) parts installed and make it run on pump gas. got another little surprise up my sleeve! oh, gotta get a couple new cans of rattle paint, the dollar general stuff blew off.
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Look TC is just trying to make a living selling cars, it is not an easy
job. Have any of you tried it? He seems to be knowledgable about
his product and probably 95% of the people who want to trade
are upside down in their auto. He has no choice but to finance
the negative equity if he wants to sell a car and pay his bills.
You guys can be pretty cruel, lighten up on him. Remember
he is our friend isn't he?
TC, I hope you sell a lot of cars and that things are getting better
for you!! :2vrolijk_21:
Mark
Hey Mark
We're not being mean to TC, but this thread is about Gas prices not selling cars. SO we got off topic, like that's anything new around here. TC jumped in with some car sales stuff that some of us picked him up on. No different than when he posted 20 times a day about anything and everything and we'd go back and forth with him them. This has nothing to do with whether he's our friend or not. What are you saying, we have to accept everything he says at face value and buy a Prius from him to be his friend. hmmmmmmmm sounds more like he'd be our W - - - :oops: OK, I'm joking, but hopefully you get my drift.
B B
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AJ, I'm sorry man. But 9.25 has already been issued. You need to check with the keeper :mango: .
OK Recordkeeper, I believe 9.51 is available.
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Hey Mark
We're not being mean to TC, but this thread is about Gas prices not selling cars. SO we got off topic, like that's anything new around here. TC jumped in with some car sales stuff that some of us picked him up on. No different than when he posted 20 times a day about anything and everything and we'd go back and forth with him them. This has nothing to do with whether he's our friend or not. What are you saying, we have to accept everything he says at face value and buy a Prius from him to be his friend. hmmmmmmmm sounds more like he'd be our W - - - :oops: OK, I'm joking, but hopefully you get my drift.
B B
I really don't think he is trying to sell us on the site a car since
we are scattered out all over the nation, but I get your drift.
Mark
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OK Recordkeeper, I believe 9.51 is available.
Don
Remember, your dealing with the "Master of Sarcasm".
Be afraid, very afraid!
:2vrolijk_21:
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OK Recordkeeper, I believe 9.51 is available.
Not just every Tom, Mick or Sherry gets the precious invitation into our august and mostly sober comradelyshiperaraderie. And of those who've been granted a number there are five that stealth members. They don't display ??? . Then there's the few that display numbers never issued. It all gets very confusing (without enough beer). Now, what were we talking about anyway.... :drink:
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Don
Remember, your dealing with the "Master of Sarcasm".
Be afraid, very afraid!
:2vrolijk_21:
I'm probably at least competitive if I set my mind to it ::) . But since I'm all sweet and innocent and compassionate and nice and all that I never behave that way.
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Jesus H. Christ, guys...I'm not into the Toyota "moonie" thing by anyone's stretch of their imagination. Simply stating facts...period. I don't give a chit what you drive, want to drive, have driven, or is sitting in your driveway not being driven. And the last thing I'm trying to do is sell anyone on this site a car personally, as that would be geographically impossible, in 99% of the cases. I'm just telling what I know to be true, as I would for HD aftermarket products. The decision is always up to the individual reader.
The FACT of the matter is the AVERAGE working Joe out there is upside down on their vehicle, unless they paid cash (which, by the way is a rare person, if you've lost touch with what's happening with middle America, of which I am one). Well over half the people who trade their car in, for whatever reason, owe more than it's worth, for whatever reason. Those are the facts, from simple observation. I don't encourage, or discourage, people from doing what they WANT to do, and anyone who knows me would also know that I would never take advantage of someone, regardless.
As for a 3% profit for me on commission, I've got news for you buddy...if I was making that off each sale, I wouldn't have my beloved SEUC up for sale right now, so you don't know what the F you're talking about. Have you ever tried to sell 15 cars a month to make a pay plan work for you, so you can pay your house payment and other bills? If you've got money because of the choices in life you've made, more power to you, and I'm glad for you. I'm just a working guy who's struggled for everything I've got, has to be in debt or have nothing at all, and have no regrets for any of my choices in life. I've never been handed a red cent in my life, and don't anticipate that happening, even if somebody dies.
Also, please note, as did BM, that I am comparing apples to apples when it comes to trucks. Many Toyota's are built right here in this country, particularly the trucks, and are giving hard working Americans good paying jobs. They do practice the same manufacturing standards and practices of the Japanese plants...but, that is obviously not a bad thing since Ford, GM, Chrysler and others are sucking hind tits right now. Camry is the best selling car in America right now, and has been for 11 of the past 12 years, and Corolla is the best selling car in the WORLD, with over 30 million sold, with not ONE single recall since it's introduction, some 30 plus years ago. Those are cold hard facts, and ones which other manufacturers would like to achieve, if they have their chit together.
As for a Prius, the price for package 6 is almost 31k, plus taxes. Please refer to Toyota.com and build your own. And I'm also not saying it's "right" to charge over MSRP, but unfortunately, I'm not Mr. Toyota, so have no control over that...I'm just the messenger, so don't shoot me.
I'm also in no shape, form, or fashion suggesting anyone here buy a Toyota, particularly from me. Get whatever you want, from whomever you want, and pay for it however you want, or are able. I'm certainly no advocate of anyone financing negative equity, but I AM a realist, and some people may not have a choice, or if they do, they CHOOSE to do what they want to do at the time, and my job is not to force them into any choice, but merely to point out the benefits of owning the product I'm selling, which is one of the best out there...period. Otherwise, I would not be selling them. That is my personal standard, and the reason I cannot work for any other brand.
My intent was to point out that the product saves fuel, and for some people that is a deciding factor in making a purchase. That is a personal decision, and I'm not in a position to criticize anyone for the choices they make, as I've f'd up more than once in my lifetime.
So give me a f'ing break here...
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Jesus H. Christ, guys...I'm not into the Toyota "moonie" thing by anyone's stretch of their imagination. Simply stating facts...period. I don't give a chit what you drive, want to drive, have driven, or is sitting in your driveway not being driven. And the last thing I'm trying to do is sell anyone on this site a car personally, as that would be geographically impossible, in 99% of the cases. I'm just telling what I know to be true, as I would for HD aftermarket products. The decision is always up to the individual reader.
The FACT of the matter is the AVERAGE working Joe out there is upside down on their vehicle, unless they paid cash (which, by the way is a rare person, if you've lost touch with what's happening with middle America, of which I am one). Well over half the people who trade their car in, for whatever reason, owe more than it's worth, for whatever reason. Those are the facts, from simple observation. I don't encourage, or discourage, people from doing what they WANT to do, and anyone who knows me would also know that I would never take advantage of someone, regardless.
As for a 3% profit for me on commission, I've got news for you buddy...if I was making that off each sale, I wouldn't have my beloved SEUC up for sale right now, so you don't know what the F you're talking about. Have you ever tried to sell 15 cars a month to make a pay plan work for you, so you can pay your house payment and other bills? If you've got money because of the choices in life you've made, more power to you, and I'm glad for you. I'm just a working guy who's struggled for everything I've got, has to be in debt or have nothing at all, and have no regrets for any of my choices in life. I've never been handed a red cent in my life, and don't anticipate that happening, even if somebody dies.
Also, please note, as did BM, that I am comparing apples to apples when it comes to trucks. Many Toyota's are built right here in this country, particularly the trucks, and are giving hard working Americans good paying jobs. They do practice the same manufacturing standards and practices of the Japanese plants...but, that is obviously not a bad thing since Ford, GM, Chrysler and others are sucking hind tits right now. Camry is the best selling car in America right now, and has been for 11 of the past 12 years, and Corolla is the best selling car in the WORLD, with over 30 million sold, with not ONE single recall since it's introduction, some 30 plus years ago. Those are cold hard facts, and ones which other manufacturers would like to achieve, if they have their chit together.
As for a Prius, the price for package 6 is almost 31k, plus taxes. Please refer to Toyota.com and build your own. And I'm also not saying it's "right" to charge over MSRP, but unfortunately, I'm not Mr. Toyota, so have no control over that...I'm just the messenger, so don't shoot me.
I'm also in no shape, form, or fashion suggesting anyone here buy a Toyota, particularly from me. Get whatever you want, from whomever you want, and pay for it however you want, or are able. I'm certainly no advocate of anyone financing negative equity, but I AM a realist, and some people may not have a choice, or if they do, they CHOOSE to do what they want to do at the time, and my job is not to force them into any choice, but merely to point out the benefits of owning the product I'm selling, which is one of the best out there...period. Otherwise, I would not be selling them. That is my personal standard, and the reason I cannot work for any other brand.
My intent was to point out that the product saves fuel, and for some people that is a deciding factor in making a purchase. That is a personal decision, and I'm not in a position to criticize anyone for the choices they make, as I've f'd up more than once in my lifetime.
So give me a f'ing break here...
Well said Terry. :2vrolijk_21:
Jerry
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Jesus H. Christ, guys...
So give me a f'ing break here...
I don't knew beans about any of it. But there's no reason for TC (or anyone else for that matter) to feel like they're in a corner with this group and here. Buddy, you work there. If you say it it's good enough for me.
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Hay I am being given a very prestigious award here and I am trying to get a number to post quit whining about being casterated over selling Toyota's on this thread. :grin2: :grin2:
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Hay I am being given a very prestigious award here and I am trying to get a number to post quit whining about being casterated over selling Toyota's on this thread. :grin2: :grin2:
Nobody gets to be an EBCM for picking on Terry. You have the stones to pick on his damn bird, however, and I'll put you in immediately if not sooner!
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Well George, your truck is a bit different than mine. I'm 325/610 Cummins, 48RE w/373 and manual shift 4X4 dually, 05 SLT by Dodge. Nurse that puppy. G E N T L E.............almost to the point of pissin' off folks behind you........................E A S Y on that accelerator, and do the math at fill up. Don't trust that POS readout in the overhead center console. The ODO and fuel taken on board is the ONLY accurate means of mpg measurement. Try it......you may be surprised that if you drive C O N S E R V A T I V E L Y, you'll get better'n the 15.2 you mention. For the record, my overhead hovers at 18.7 when I'm deadheading. All that goes out the window when I haul anything.
Still...........it's my truck............I love it............its a good truck...........and I'm keepin' it. :2vrolijk_21:
You will have to pardon me on names to screen names. So I'll skip that.
The 15.2 is a calculated mileage from the ODO and fuel brought on board. The overhead has been reading 17.7 when I have that milege. On the hauling side, well that's a different story. Does 7.0 to 7.5 mpg sound a little familiar? And that is holding a consistant speed on level ground and weighting approx. Combined of 26K (truck and 5th wheel).
Like you Still.....NO PAYMENTS...it's my truck..it's a good truck...I love it and will keep it until the engine dies. :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21:
It's that even when I like driving it, I know I have to resist taching to 2400 and 3200. It just loves to go. And stretching it out to the top mph is a fuel killer, I still do it for the rush.
Terry,
I hope that you don't feel that I am negative on your sales position, I'm glad that you have a substantial job.
I wish you all the luck in the world. Sorry to read about the decision on the SEUC. That Sucks.
George
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Jesus H. Christ, guys...I'm not into the Toyota "moonie" thing by anyone's stretch of their imagination. Simply stating facts...period. I don't give a chit what you drive, want to drive, have driven, or is sitting in your driveway not being driven. And the last thing I'm trying to do is sell anyone on this site a car personally, as that would be geographically impossible, in 99% of the cases. I'm just telling what I know to be true, as I would for HD aftermarket products. The decision is always up to the individual reader.
The FACT of the matter is the AVERAGE working Joe out there is upside down on their vehicle, unless they paid cash (which, by the way is a rare person, if you've lost touch with what's happening with middle America, of which I am one). Well over half the people who trade their car in, for whatever reason, owe more than it's worth, for whatever reason. Those are the facts, from simple observation. I don't encourage, or discourage, people from doing what they WANT to do, and anyone who knows me would also know that I would never take advantage of someone, regardless.
As for a 3% profit for me on commission, I've got news for you buddy...if I was making that off each sale, I wouldn't have my beloved SEUC up for sale right now, so you don't know what the F you're talking about. Have you ever tried to sell 15 cars a month to make a pay plan work for you, so you can pay your house payment and other bills? If you've got money because of the choices in life you've made, more power to you, and I'm glad for you. I'm just a working guy who's struggled for everything I've got, has to be in debt or have nothing at all, and have no regrets for any of my choices in life. I've never been handed a red cent in my life, and don't anticipate that happening, even if somebody dies.
Also, please note, as did BM, that I am comparing apples to apples when it comes to trucks. Many Toyota's are built right here in this country, particularly the trucks, and are giving hard working Americans good paying jobs. They do practice the same manufacturing standards and practices of the Japanese plants...but, that is obviously not a bad thing since Ford, GM, Chrysler and others are sucking hind tits right now. Camry is the best selling car in America right now, and has been for 11 of the past 12 years, and Corolla is the best selling car in the WORLD, with over 30 million sold, with not ONE single recall since it's introduction, some 30 plus years ago. Those are cold hard facts, and ones which other manufacturers would like to achieve, if they have their chit together.
As for a Prius, the price for package 6 is almost 31k, plus taxes. Please refer to Toyota.com and build your own. And I'm also not saying it's "right" to charge over MSRP, but unfortunately, I'm not Mr. Toyota, so have no control over that...I'm just the messenger, so don't shoot me.
I'm also in no shape, form, or fashion suggesting anyone here buy a Toyota, particularly from me. Get whatever you want, from whomever you want, and pay for it however you want, or are able. I'm certainly no advocate of anyone financing negative equity, but I AM a realist, and some people may not have a choice, or if they do, they CHOOSE to do what they want to do at the time, and my job is not to force them into any choice, but merely to point out the benefits of owning the product I'm selling, which is one of the best out there...period. Otherwise, I would not be selling them. That is my personal standard, and the reason I cannot work for any other brand.
My intent was to point out that the product saves fuel, and for some people that is a deciding factor in making a purchase. That is a personal decision, and I'm not in a position to criticize anyone for the choices they make, as I've f'd up more than once in my lifetime.
So give me a f'ing break here...
Terry,
Best of luck in your new career. You seem to be passionate about what you are selling so more power to you.
BTW, did you consider selling HD's before you signed up for the auto gig? Just curious.
John
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Just to make you remember what you gave up. [I am so mean]
Hay I am being given a very prestigious award here and I am trying to get a number to post quit whining about being casterated over selling Toyota's on this thread. :grin2: :grin2:
BIGDOG, upon further review by instant replay and discussion with the Great Yoda Master of Sarcasm it has been adjudged that for the above cited and other abuse in combination you are hereby granted entry as an Evil Bastards Club Member (EBCM); NS (non stealth). Even though you didn't know you've been digitally anointed in EBCM oils, potentially groped against your will and likely been started on de-evolutionary moral whirlpool that will one day find you in Hell itself. So you see it is a great honor.
You are now EBCM #9.51 and a half .3 . Live long and prosper.
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BIGDOG, upon further review by instant replay and discussion with the Great Yoda Master of Sarcasm it has been adjudged that for the above cited and other abuse in combination you are hereby granted entry as an Evil Bastards Club Member (EBCM); NS (non stealth). Even though you didn't know you've been digitally anointed in EBCM oils, potentially groped against your will and likely been started on de-evolutionary moral whirlpool that will one day find you in Hell itself. So you see it is a great honor.
You are now EBCM #9.51 and a half .3 . Live long and prosper.
Crap, but then I see you've been displaying your number before it was officially granted. And an incorrect number at that. So sad. Now you're on probation until... well.... I haven't decided yet :confused5: .
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Crap, but then I see you've been displaying your number before it was officially granted. And an incorrect number at that. So sad. Now you're on probation until... well.... I haven't decided yet :confused5: .
But I could be bribed ::) .
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But I could be bribed ::) .
Ah, screw it. You're in. But fix your number :huepfenlol2: !
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You will have to pardon me on names to screen names. So I'll skip that.
The 15.2 is a calculated mileage from the ODO and fuel brought on board. The overhead has been reading 17.7 when I have that milege. On the hauling side, well that's a different story. Does 7.0 to 7.5 mpg sound a little familiar? And that is holding a consistant speed on level ground and weighting approx. Combined of 26K (truck and 5th wheel).
Like you Still.....NO PAYMENTS...it's my truck..it's a good truck...I love it and will keep it until the engine dies. :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21:
It's that even when I like driving it, I know I have to resist taching to 2400 and 3200. It just loves to go. And stretching it out to the top mph is a fuel killer, I still do it for the rush.
Terry,
I hope that you don't feel that I am negative on your sales position, I'm glad that you have a substantial job.
I wish you all the luck in the world. Sorry to read about the decision on the SEUC. That Sucks.
George
WOW, one extreme to the other between our trucks. Your's calculates high; mine, low. I don't have a fiver yet, but towing scooters nets me around 11-13mpg. It's all good. That Cummins is a beast, and I love it.
Henry
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You guys! My little Dodge Dakota only gets 17 mpg......ya'll kill me! har! :huepfenlol2: spyder
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WOW, one extreme to the other between our trucks. Your's calculates high; mine, low. I don't have a fiver yet, but towing scooters nets me around 11-13mpg. It's all good. That Cummins is a beast, and I love it.
Henry
Ditto that remark. On towing the scooter's 6x10 garage, I hit the 11-13 mpg range also.
I have thought of the Bully Dog upgrade on the ecm, but I want to run the warranty out first.
Getting all the mechanicals solid comes first, then the tuning upgrades. That engine can break things.
George
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Ditto that remark. On towing the scooter's 6x10 garage, I hit the 11-13 mpg range also.
I have thought of the Bully Dog upgrade on the ecm, but I want to run the warranty out first.
Getting all the mechanicals solid comes first, then the tuning upgrades. That engine can break things.
George
And pull stumps, and move foundations, and climb a hill with 26K lbs in tow with the greatest of ease. The truck will fall down around the engine, but that Cummins will still be pullin'. :2vrolijk_21:
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I read 4 pages of this thread & have come to the conclusion (prior to beer thirty) that higher gas prices is leading to a form of public insanity. Do not have a name for it yet. ??
Arguing Posting about trucks is interesting. Have an old F150 that mostly sits but pulls the boat occasionally or moves the kids here or there from time to time. Might look into a newer model King Ranch or HD one someday, but not anytime soon. Buyers market on used ones now.
Also decided to post my hard earned EBCM# since stealth mode has not placed me on any form of probation fro over 6 weeks.
Welcome to the club, BigDog!
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They promised me a one way ticket to Iran, and a FREE tank of gas once I got there! I guess I get a choice of a short or long fuse.
Don't fall for that offer. The Chithead was keeping those 21 virgins for himself. Get the full meal deal or tell him to look for another volunteer! :D
I wonder if I could get a free trial of those 21 virgins, or even an advance on just 2 or 3? :huepfenlol2:
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Ya all misunderstood it is VIRGILS not VIRGINS. If it were virgins then you would all be PEDIFILES. :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:
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Ya all misunderstood it is VIRGILS not VIRGINS. If it were virgins then you would all be PEDIFILES. :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:
I knew it was too good to be true!
(they don't tell you how old the virgins are, maybe their all over 80 or something. Or like you said one letter different changes my whole perspective). :confused5:
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I knew it was too good to be true!
(they don't tell you how old the virgins are, maybe their all over 80 or something. Or like you said one letter different changes my whole perspective). :confused5:
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What does a litre cost you guys (diesel) oil by the barrel :pepper: how much oil is in a barrel ??
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42 us gallons per barrel, almost $5 USD per us gallon.
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42 us gallons per barrel, almost $5 USD per us gallon.
And yet they package it in 55 gallon "drums"
And a barrel of beer is ?????
I know this 42 gallon number is correct because I sailed on an oil tanker in the Merchant Marines in my younger days, but I've always wondered where it comes from. Were the wooden barrels of yore 42 gallons ?
B B
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I don't know BB....is a gallon of oil "bigger" than a gallon of water, it sure is lighter...
A barrel of beer is never big enough....
I measure my facilties energy input in mmBtu's just to make it easier, :D
A barrel, 42gal, of good old bunker C oil has around 6 million btu's, or 145,000 a gal or 18700 a lb..Sheesh.
On the other hand, A thousand cu feet of natural gas has around 1 million btu's...fascinating huh? ???
I can't remember what tha black liquor at the paper mills had for calorific value, but they burned the crud outta it....we are not using any energy today, offline.. :nervous:
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When the environmentalists crippled oil corporation's abilities to explore, drill, and refine oil, starting in the 70's in the USA, the result now is:
$4+ a gallon for regular gasoline. They also prevented nuke plants, at the same time.
Success of such folks also greatly reduced oil spills and potential oil spills & nuke plant meltdowns. So now, we cannot drill or build nuke plants, why?
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When the environmentalists crippled oil corporation's abilities to explore, drill, and refine oil, starting in the 70's in the USA, the result now is:
$4+ a gallon for regular gasoline. They also prevented nuke plants, at the same time.
Success of such folks also greatly reduced oil spills and potential oil spills & nuke plant meltdowns. So now, we cannot drill or build nuke plants, why?
Well I guess you can blame them if you want, but congress taking money from oil companies, car companies not having to push up there MPG, and Americans just sitting back complaining while they drive their 12-15 MPG SUV's and trucks that over half of them have no need in the first place is a big problem. We need to work our way to a low oil dependency, which we should have been doing for over 20 years, until we do were stuck!
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Well I guess you can blame them if you want, but congress taking money from oil companies, car companies not having to push up there MPG, and Americans just sitting back complaining while they drive their 12-15 MPG SUV's and trucks that over half of them have no need in the first place is a big problem. We need to work our way to a low oil dependency, which we should have been doing for over 20 years, until we do were stuck!
The real blame lies with US, the voters, for voting bozos into power in Congress who have done little to nothing about the energy situation for over 30 years. Increasing gas mileage on cars is great & all but we will NOT conserve our way out of this any more than we can conserve our way out of a severe water drought. And domestically, we CREATED a severe drought re: oil resources. Conservation, sure, no problemo, but that alone cannot solve the problem. Increase mileage standards - fine, but think about SUPPLY also is my point.
Nobody ever posts much about the LOST jobs we have given up in the oil industry. Lost to other countries, along with multi-billion trade dollars. Jobs & infrastructure that could have been created in the USA. Good paying jobs & reduction in national trade deficit. Win-win.
A solution to this is not one sided, it is many faceted. Trouble is, the "drill/refine" solution facet has been left off the table. As have the viable alternative energy sources, such as nuclear. We caved as a country to anti-capitalism in regard to energy resources and the result should not be surprising. Blaming the oil companies & grilling oil execs before Congress is a colossal waste of time & effort, but it gives Congressmonkeys good sound bites for their constituents come voting feeding time.
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And yet they package it in 55 gallon "drums"
And a barrel of beer is ?????
I know this 42 gallon number is correct because I sailed on an oil tanker in the Merchant Marines in my younger days, but I've always wondered where it comes from. Were the wooden barrels of yore 42 gallons ?
B B
when algore was hangin at the hanoi hilton, waiting for his next photo op, he said it was 4/20. and after cnn proofread, it became 42 gallons.
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I know this 42 gallon number is correct because I sailed on an oil tanker in the Merchant Marines in my younger days, but I've always wondered where it comes from. Were the wooden barrels of yore 42 gallons ?
B B
Stretching the memory a bit Brian, but I think this is right. There was a 40 gallon barrel before the standard 42 gallon barrel became the accepted standard. That standard was accepted right after the Civil War and came out of Pennsylvania. Prior to the mid 1860s or 1870s just about any kind of container had been used. The final standard came from a commonly accepted and commonly available English wine barrel called a terce or tierce or something like that.
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Well the high gas prices are not affecting me very much. My gas tank on the F-150
was filled 5 weeks ago and I still have a quarter of a tank left. I only drive
it to work and back home and I only have to do that 3 times a week. The
rest of the time I am in the company truck burning their diesel fuel.
Mark
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I don't know BB....is a gallon of oil "bigger" than a gallon of water, it sure is lighter...
A barrel of beer is never big enough....
I measure my facilties energy input in mmBtu's just to make it easier, :D
A barrel, 42gal, of good old bunker C oil has around 6 million btu's, or 145,000 a gal or 18700 a lb..Sheesh.
On the other hand, A thousand cu feet of natural gas has around 1 million btu's...fascinating huh? ???
I can't remember what tha black liquor at the paper mills had for calorific value, but they burned the crud outta it....we are not using any energy today, offline.. :nervous:
How many BTU's in an average barrel of beer! :nixweiss:
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How many BTU's in an average barrel of beer! nixweiss :D
I think it's more commonly converted into calories for thermal units.
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It is partially converted to gas, I think! :'(
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It''s about time this thread
was hijacked morphed into a beer discussion.
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It is partially converted to gas, I think! :'(
yep, and that gas is low BTU-------obvious by its orange flame when lit. with the gas produced by some beer, the flame is not hot enough to burn hair, while with others, the flame will darken your toenails. be careful while testing---------------you may use all your carbon credits.
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yep, and that gas is low BTU-------obvious by its orange flame when lit. with the gas produced by some beer, the flame is not hot enough to burn hair, while with others, the flame will darken your toenails. be careful while testing---------------you may use all your carbon credits.
Not to also say, you might modify your clothes a little. :nervous: :nixweiss:
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This thread made me think where in the world is the cheapest gas currently and it's in Venezuela. They pay $.25/gallon (see here (http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/237914/cheapest_gasoline_in_the_world_venezuela.html)).
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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But the avaerage take home pay was only $2200 in 01....
http://www.nationsencyclopedia.com/Americas/Venezuela-INCOME.html
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Cheap gas in United States: Oklahoma cities make the list at #1 and #3
City Price Trend
Tulsa 3.728
Wichita 3.767
Oklahoma City 3.784
Tucson 3.816
Montgomery 3.855
Columbia 3.856
Albuquerque 3.859
Memphis 3.862
Omaha 3.863
Quad Cities 3.865
It's a pretty sad commentary on the state of things when you try to brag on having some of the cheapest gas at $3.73 per gallon :(
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But the avaerage take home pay was only $2200 in 01....
http://www.nationsencyclopedia.com/Americas/Venezuela-INCOME.html
We could all move to Venezuela, ride our steeds and raise economic havoc with our way of life.
What do you think?? :nixweiss: :huepfenlol2:
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Ever been there????
I was in Caracas once.......I won't go back, it is satans azzhole....Worse than the DMV. :apple:
Now Honduras, we can talk...
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I have done allot of looking into Ecuador and Costa Rica and they are looking more and more like a place to live or I should say RETIRE!!
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Ever been there????
I was in Caracas once.......I won't go back, it is satans azzhole....Worse than the DMV. :apple:
Now Honduras, we can talk...
I bet I can guess why you want to go to the Honduras'..... Is it because they roll their own..... cigars that is. :)
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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Woo Woo! Yupper!
I went there 2 years ago, way out of the squalid city of Teguchigalpa into Sandanista territory on the Nicuargua border...Beautiful weather, nice peasants, good food but only one paved road..The Pan American Hwy...Smoked a azzpile of cigars and drank enough Flor De Cana to float a ship in...Great vacation.
You get used to the armed guards after a while :orange:
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I have done allot of looking into Ecuador and Costa Rica and they are looking more and more like a place to live or I should say RETIRE!!
I travel to both countries frequently. You may want to put Ecuador on the far back burner as a place to live or retire. Costa Rica, on the other hand, FIRST CLASS. Lot's of US investment going on there at the moment due to the extremely favorable business climate.
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Cheap gas in United States: Oklahoma cities make the list at #1 and #3
City Price Trend
Tulsa 3.728
Wichita 3.767
Oklahoma City 3.784
Tucson 3.816
Montgomery 3.855
Columbia 3.856
Albuquerque 3.859
Memphis 3.862
Omaha 3.863
Quad Cities 3.865
It's a pretty sad commentary on the state of things when you try to brag on having some of the cheapest gas at $3.73 per gallon :(
IT all OKLAHOMA has for cripes sake let them have that at least. :bigcry:
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But the avaerage take home pay was only $2200 in 01....
http://www.nationsencyclopedia.com/Americas/Venezuela-INCOME.html
If you do the math that means that US citzens pay nearly twice as much for gas, as a percentage of their income, than the Venezuelans.
Anyone surprised?
:nixweiss:
Nige
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If you do the math that means that US citzens pay nearly twice as much for gas, as a percentage of their income, than the Venezuelans.
Anyone surprised?
:nixweiss:
Nige
Great, but we also don't live in a semi-communist dictatorship and have a quality of life far exceeding anything they could ever dream of.
Sean
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What's up with Ecuador? re they more Anti -American than they avertise?
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Great, but we also don't live in a semi-communist dictatorship and have a quality of life far exceeding anything they could ever dream of.
Sean
I can't argue with you there Sean. I don't think anyone would swap a US lifestyle for a Venezuelan one.
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Nige
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do you get to carry your own machine gun and drive a volkwagen bug?
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do you get to carry your own machine gun and drive a volkwagen bug?
Semi-Auto, three round burst when I am on the rifle range and I drove a VW in high school and college??
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'72 Baja edition Type 1 Bug is my 'daily driver' UAV. (Urban Assault Vehicle). Guess my AR-15 carbine is as close as I'm gonna get to carrying a 'machine gun' these days. :jack: har! spyder
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Gas could fall to $2 if Congress acts, analysts say
Limiting speculation would push prices to fundamental level, lawmakers told
By Rex Nutting & Michael Kitchen, MarketWatch
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- The price of retail gasoline could fall by half, to around $2 a gallon, within 30 days of passage of a law to limit speculation in energy-futures markets, four energy analysts told Congress on Monday. Testifying to the House Energy and Commerce Committee, Michael Masters of Masters Capital Management said that the price of oil would quickly drop closer to its marginal cost of around $65 to $75 a barrel, about half the current $135. Fadel Gheit of Oppenheimer & Co., Edward Krapels of Energy Security Analysis and Roger Diwan of PFC Energy Consultants agreed with Masters' assessment at a hearing on proposed legislation to limit speculation in futures markets. Krapels said that it wouldn't even take 30 days to drive prices lower, as fund managers quickly liquidated their positions in futures markets. "Record oil prices are inflated by speculation and not justified by market fundamentals," according to Gheit. "Based on supply and demand fundamentals, crude-oil prices should not be above $60 per barrel."
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Gas could fall to $2 if Congress acts, analysts say
Limiting speculation would push prices to fundamental level, lawmakers told
By Rex Nutting & Michael Kitchen, MarketWatch
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- The price of retail gasoline could fall by half, to around $2 a gallon, within 30 days of passage of a law to limit speculation in energy-futures markets, four energy analysts told Congress on Monday. Testifying to the House Energy and Commerce Committee, Michael Masters of Masters Capital Management said that the price of oil would quickly drop closer to its marginal cost of around $65 to $75 a barrel, about half the current $135. Fadel Gheit of Oppenheimer & Co., Edward Krapels of Energy Security Analysis and Roger Diwan of PFC Energy Consultants agreed with Masters' assessment at a hearing on proposed legislation to limit speculation in futures markets. Krapels said that it wouldn't even take 30 days to drive prices lower, as fund managers quickly liquidated their positions in futures markets. "Record oil prices are inflated by speculation and not justified by market fundamentals," according to Gheit. "Based on supply and demand fundamentals, crude-oil prices should not be above $60 per barrel."
And they used to regulate the phone and airlines also - both of which are not any longer...and are cheaper then they used to be.
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IT all OKLAHOMA has for cripes sake let them have that at least. :bigcry:
We are going to have an NBA team.......how about Washington? :D ;D
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Gas is bad enough but went o the movie this week and had to rub my eyes to verify that a medium popcorn and coke was $10.29! 24 oz. coke for $5.00 makes somewhere around $25.00 a gallon. Popcorn ... who knows. How could you send two or three kids to a movie? I just drank water, watched the show, got on my 32K scooter and rode away to the steakhouse. :D
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Gas could fall to $2 if Congress acts, analysts say
Limiting speculation would push prices to fundamental level, lawmakers told
By Rex Nutting & Michael Kitchen, MarketWatch
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- The price of retail gasoline could fall by half, to around $2 a gallon, within 30 days of passage of a law to limit speculation in energy-futures markets, four energy analysts told Congress on Monday. Testifying to the House Energy and Commerce Committee, Michael Masters of Masters Capital Management said that the price of oil would quickly drop closer to its marginal cost of around $65 to $75 a barrel, about half the current $135. Fadel Gheit of Oppenheimer & Co., Edward Krapels of Energy Security Analysis and Roger Diwan of PFC Energy Consultants agreed with Masters' assessment at a hearing on proposed legislation to limit speculation in futures markets. Krapels said that it wouldn't even take 30 days to drive prices lower, as fund managers quickly liquidated their positions in futures markets. "Record oil prices are inflated by speculation and not justified by market fundamentals," according to Gheit. "Based on supply and demand fundamentals, crude-oil prices should not be above $60 per barrel."
This sounds really really good. But by all past experience if Congress gets involved we had better hang onto our A$$es.
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Oh good more regulation....What is this the Socialist Republic on America...Free markets baby...
Regulate this and that...Regulate, schmegulate...There is tons of oil...
Regulated airlines has been a disaster, how many times have how many lines gone bankrupt, to be bailed out?
Regulate guns, works great, sure...Those Aholes in DC need to get a clue..
I'd run for office but the world ain't ready for me... :soapbox:
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Gas is bad enough but went o the movie this week and had to rub my eyes to verify that a medium popcorn and coke was $10.29! 24 oz. coke for $5.00 makes somewhere around $25.00 a gallon. Popcorn ... who knows. How could you send two or three kids to a movie? I just drank water, watched the show, got on my 32K scooter and rode away to the steakhouse. :D
32K Scooter
Fess up BigR55
32 was just the initial cost!
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Quoting myself.........OK, so I had to drive the ton truck today. Went to Rome, GA to drop off some stuff for Vgirl to sell in her new shop. I nursed it along. That big Cummins will actually get 22 mpg and better if I can keep my foot out of the fuel pump. I was rather impressed. It took alot of discipline to keep from rompin' on it, but at today's diesel prices.....................a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do.
OK Henry, I tried.
Didn't make your 22 mpg.
239 miles 11.5 gallons ='s 20.78
And I hated every minute of those 239 miles.
But I tried.
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OK Henry, I tried.
Didn't make your 22 mpg.
239 miles 11.5 gallons ='s 20.78
And I hated every minute of those 239 miles.
But I tried.
:nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss:
That's because we drive the good looking Fords.
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I managed 14 with trailer from chl..I wanted to get back before I qualified for socila security...I managed 21 up n back to Tampa last weekend driving like...well, an old lady.
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99 Ford Explorer all wheel drive-my average is 15 mpg as most of mine is town driving. I am ready to buy a one-seater hydrogen/flex fuel/electric/flux capacitor driven vehicle...currently costing me $72.00 per week to get to and from work. I don't like riding the bike in too much as we seem to be in a "dust and grime tunnel" where our office is located.
Flyndyna
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That's because we drive the good looking Fords.
Isn't that an oxymoron? :nixweiss: :huepfenlol2:
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Gas could fall to $2 if Congress acts, analysts say
Limiting speculation would push prices to fundamental level, lawmakers told
By Rex Nutting & Michael Kitchen, MarketWatch
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- The price of retail gasoline could fall by half, to around $2 a gallon, within 30 days of passage of a law to limit speculation in energy-futures markets, four energy analysts told Congress on Monday. Testifying to the House Energy and Commerce Committee, Michael Masters of Masters Capital Management said that the price of oil would quickly drop closer to its marginal cost of around $65 to $75 a barrel, about half the current $135. Fadel Gheit of Oppenheimer & Co., Edward Krapels of Energy Security Analysis and Roger Diwan of PFC Energy Consultants agreed with Masters' assessment at a hearing on proposed legislation to limit speculation in futures markets. Krapels said that it wouldn't even take 30 days to drive prices lower, as fund managers quickly liquidated their positions in futures markets. "Record oil prices are inflated by speculation and not justified by market fundamentals," according to Gheit. "Based on supply and demand fundamentals, crude-oil prices should not be above $60 per barrel."
and evil monkeys could fly out of my butt, circle the globe and land on my shoulder, but I'm not gonna hold my breath. I think bureaucratic control of private resources is a bad idea...
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I just filled up the F250. 498 miles = 31.41 gal @ $4.69 = $147.60 = 15.9 mpg. OUCH!!!
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At an exchange rate of $1.89 i calculate your purchase in uk prices $9.45 us gall want to join our club. >:( >:(
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From some of the comments referring to my post from Marketwatch yesterday, I get the feeling some didn't quite understand what those folks were saying. They weren't talking about regulating the price for gasoline, they were talking about regulating the speculators who have bid the prices of oil up on the futures markets to roughly double what those prices should be if you just look at supply and demand. These aren't the normal commodities traders who've been in the market forever, these are the fast buck artists who are screwing us over to line their pockets. They don't produce oil, they don't refine oil, they don't transport oil, they don't touch oil, they probably wouldn't know oil if they slipped and fell in it.
Jerry
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I understood what you were saying. I just am very leary of letting government take control or regulating anything. If they start saying who can invest in the stock marker and how much look out! Everyone in the country will be screwed.
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How to help the economy.
OPEC sells oil for $136.00 a barrel.
OPEC nations buy U.S. grain at $7.00 a bushel.
Solution: Sell grain for $136.00 a bushel.
Can't buy it? Tough! Eat your oil!
Ought to go well with a nice thick grilled filet of camel ass!!!
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From some of the comments referring to my post from Marketwatch yesterday, I get the feeling some didn't quite understand what those folks were saying. They weren't talking about regulating the price for gasoline, they were talking about regulating the speculators who have bid the prices of oil up on the futures markets to roughly double what those prices should be if you just look at supply and demand. These aren't the normal commodities traders who've been in the market forever, these are the fast buck artists who are screwing us over to line their pockets. They don't produce oil, they don't refine oil, they don't transport oil, they don't touch oil, they probably wouldn't know oil if they slipped and fell in it.
Jerry
Yes, you were right on the attempt to regulate speculation by increasing the normal 10% margin on futures purchases. The rest is dead wrong, pardon the expression "speculative" and obviously uninformed. No, futures traders did not "double" what the price should have been. The market did. It falls under the general heading of capitalism. If you will research the firms and locations purchasing significant dollar amounts of oil futures, you will find that the vast majority are foreign investors seeking to fill future contracts for their clients in their respective countries. That's their job, it's what they do. If you've had any experience in commodities, the term "fast buck artists" wouldn't apply. Nowhere, is there a riskier business than international commodities and the "fast buck artists" jump in as a result of a "brilliant idea", wreck, and go home and whine. As they say, if you can't piss with the big dogs...stay on the porch.
As far as commodities traders not knowing anything about oil....wrong.....if they've managed to stay afloat over 24 hours. It's really not as easy to research and forecast a futures market as the dem's on MSNBC would lead you to believe. Big or small it is high risk beyond all reasonable expectations. I deal in oil futures as well as corn, soybeans, beef, pork and occasionally the rice market. Yup, I do know a little something about oil from the rigs to the money players allowing you a seat at the table. I like to think I know enough about the other markets to make wise decisions as well. As you might expect, corn and soybeans will make a bundle, but I promise that I or anyone I know in the marketplace didn't cause the floods that are skyrocketing prices.
The best way to really learn if the "speculators" are driving up the market is to gather up your life savings, mortgage the house and jump in for some of that quick oil money. Let us know in a couple of weeks where you stand.
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32K Scooter
Fess up BigR55
32 was just the initial cost!
:2vrolijk_21:
Yea Silver, I think that was the initial kit price! ;)
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From some of the comments referring to my post from Marketwatch yesterday, I get the feeling some didn't quite understand what those folks were saying. They weren't talking about regulating the price for gasoline, they were talking about regulating the speculators who have bid the prices of oil up on the futures markets to roughly double what those prices should be if you just look at supply and demand. These aren't the normal commodities traders who've been in the market forever, these are the fast buck artists who are screwing us over to line their pockets. They don't produce oil, they don't refine oil, they don't transport oil, they don't touch oil, they probably wouldn't know oil if they slipped and fell in it.
Jerry
I can't speak for everyone Jerry, but I get the idea. My issue with that is that govt regulation is govt' regulation, whether its regulating foreign trade, interstate trade, or speculative ventures...they still do a really bad job of it for a myriad of reasons...and it's always expensive to implement and maintain...and almost always...somehow the "big fish" get away, leaving the little fish (i.e. the middle class tax payer) on the hook for it all.
Case in point, about two weeks ago an apparent suicide takes place on the Bear Mtn Bridge. No big deal...its a popular spot for that sort of thing...It turns out to be a guy by the name of Israel (last name) who was ordered by a NewYork State Supreme Court Judge to "turn himself in" in Massachusetts for embezzling 600 million in hedge funds. Turns out, he left his car on the bridge, and got a ride (probably to an awaiting private jet), and skipped out leaving alot of working class people in the lurch. He will have to forfit the $75k the New York Judge set as his bail though... ???
My opinion...less government is almost always better, and is always cheaper for us tax paying citizens.
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I can't speak for everyone Jerry, but I get the idea. My issue with that is that govt regulation is govt' regulation, whether its regulating foreign trade, interstate trade, or speculative ventures...they still do a really bad job of it for a myriad of reasons...and it's always expensive to implement and maintain...and almost always...somehow the "big fish" get away, leaving the little fish (i.e. the middle class tax payer) on the hook for it all.
Case in point, about two weeks ago an apparent suicide takes place on the Bear Mtn Bridge. No big deal...its a popular spot for that sort of thing...It turns out to be a guy by the name of Israel (last name) who was ordered by a NewYork State Supreme Court Judge to "turn himself in" in Massachusetts for embezzling 600 million in hedge funds. Turns out, he left his car on the bridge, and got a ride (probably to an awaiting private jet), and skipped out leaving alot of working class people in the lurch. He will have to forfit the $75k the New York Judge set as his bail though... ???
My opinion...less government is almost always better, and is always cheaper for us tax paying citizens.
except when it comes to the phone compony.
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Yea Silver, I think that was the initial kit price! ;)
Cheez, You got off cheap. 34 for mine. And I am starting to buy OCD tools for it.
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We are going to have an NBA team.......how about Washington? :D ;D
What a shot. But have ya seen there record!!!!!!! :nixweiss:
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Cheez, You got off cheap. 34 for mine. And I am starting to buy OCD tools for it.
Now George, you know that these things are like joining a country club...the 34k was just the initiation fee, you get the bike, that's it, then you will have to spend a certain minimum every year until you get sick of it...
Just like eating at the clubhouse dining room. :P
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Now George, you know that these things are like joining a country club...the 34k was just the initiation fee, you get the bike, that's it, then you will have to spend a certain minimum every year until you get sick of it...
Just like eating at the clubhouse dining room. :P
I'll never get sick of eating at the clubhouse. There is too much fun in riding. And it it's economical as well.
Approx 40 mpg. :huepfenjump3: :2vrolijk_21:
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Has anyone ever heard of Lindsey Williams? He wrote a book titled "The Energy non Crisis". Someone gave me a copy of a DVD yesterday of Lindsay telling his perspective of the energy crisis, or lack there of. It's interesting, but, I'm not sure of I buy it or not. He's a missionary Baptist preacher, and I just don't like the way he comes across.
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I put this on the Friday Beer thread, but couldn't resist adding it here too! :P
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Mebee he has got a "higher source" of info...Or is just a self important windbag..
There is lots of oil, not as cheap as it used to be but plenty of it. We just cain't make gas outter it cause a lack of refining capacity...Oh well... ??? Somebody is screwing somebody in all this and I think it is us getting the wood.. :'(
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I'm headed across the county leaving Dago next Tuesday (8 July) can I see some posts for mid grade prices in AZ,NM,TX,AK,TN,VA,MD,CT,and ME
B B
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I'm headed across the county leaving Dago next Tuesday (8 July) can I see some posts for mid grade prices in AZ,NM,TX,AK,TN,VA,MD,CT,and ME
B B
Hey Spidy,
So far, the max on 93 octane is $4.19 in my locale. This is Frederick county and Washington county. Some places are a little, but not by much, cheaper. Have a safe trip.
George
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Hey Spidy,
So far, the max on 93 octane is $4.19 in my locale. This is Frederick county and Washington county. Some places are a little, but not by much, cheaper. Have a safe trip.
George
Will be at Mr & Mrs We's house on Sun 13 July. We're planning a little ride. How far are you from Richmond VA ?
B B
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Will be at Mr & Mrs We's house on Sun 13 July. We're planning a little ride. How far are you from Richmond VA ?
B B
Let me ask Zumo, I get back to you.
Zumo says 147 mi to 1 Broad street in Richmond, Va.
Travel time 2 Hrs 22 min . I say probably a little longer due to traffic conditions.
Would make a nice trip for Judy and I.
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Let me ask Zumo, I get back to you.
You and your friends have funny names you know that ? :D
B B
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You and your friends have funny names you know that ? :D
B B
Har Har ;D
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You and your friends have funny names you know that ? :D
B B
Zumo Jetson?
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:jack:
Hey Jester, you never answered our request for the rest of the picture (face included) on the other thread You avoidin the subject dude ?
Ok, back to regular programming
B B
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Has anyone ever heard of Lindsey Williams? He wrote a book titled "The Energy non Crisis". Someone gave me a copy of a DVD yesterday of Lindsay telling his perspective of the energy crisis, or lack there of. It's interesting, but, I'm not sure of I buy it or not. He's a missionary Baptist preacher, and I just don't like the way he comes across.
I have not heard of him however you have my interest...
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I have not heard of him however you have my interest...
I watched an hour long thing on DVD. An uncle gave it to me to watch. I'm not sure what I thinka bout it. Here's a link I found though.
http://www.reformation.org/energy-non-crisis.html
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Zumo Jetson?
Yeah, he comes from the geeky robotic side of the family. :nervous: :huepfenlol2:
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great posts! I think the dems will say anything to avoid drilling. maybe they can repeal the law of supply and demand.
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great posts! I think the dems will say anything to avoid drilling. maybe they can repeal the law of supply and demand.
You read all the posts! And came up with this reply? Bro, you are definitly CVO material when you can follow these threads that well.
Welcome aboard. :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21:
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FYI, I was in Charleston this afternoon and filled up the VW wagon with diesel for $4.53. I saw it as low as $4.51 in my travels.
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FYI, I was in Charleston this afternoon and filled up the VW wagon with diesel for $4.53. I saw it as low as $4.51 in my travels.
As LOW as.... ??? :vrolijk27: :nervous:
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Latest news in the good old UK is that the government is thinking of making the tax on fuel a flat rate per litre rather than a percentage of the pump price. This would obviously give them a guaranteed revenue per annum rather than a huge windfall as the prices go up - on the reverse aspect if prices fell then they would still receive the same amount of money.
Around 12 months ago the UK government would have been receiving around 60p ($1.20) per litre in tax revenue. As at now they are receiving around 86p ($1.72) per litre. You would think that with all this extra revenue being poured into the coffers they would be giving us some extra benefits in other ways - strangely enough this doesn't appear to be happening. :o
Born free and taxed to death.
Nige
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Latest news in the good old UK is that the government is thinking of making the tax on fuel a flat rate per litre rather than a percentage of the pump price. This would obviously give them a guaranteed revenue per annum rather than a huge windfall as the prices go up - on the reverse aspect if prices fell then they would still receive the same amount of money.
Around 12 months ago the UK government would have been receiving around 60p ($1.20) per litre in tax revenue. As at now they are receiving around 86p ($1.72) per litre. You would think that with all this extra revenue being poured into the coffers they would be giving us some extra benefits in other ways - strangely enough this doesn't appear to be happening. :o
Born free and taxed to death.
Nige
Nige,
One thing our governments have in common - when they raise taxes, they find ways to wastefully spend the added revenue very quickly. Some here would like to see a huge tax on gas similar to your $1.72 per litre. This would not balance our budget, but it would build thousands pf "pork palaces". Our politicians do this to buy votes, legally. But at least we are not forced to pay prince Charles dry cleaning bills also.... ;)
Mike
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Nor powdered wigs.. ;)
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We still have ours, but honestly, it does not get many trips out of the yard, and it was never purchased to work hard. It's only job was to look good.
Been there done that!
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FYI, I was in Charleston this afternoon and filled up the VW wagon with diesel for $4.53. I saw it as low as $4.51 in my travels.
Those were the good old days if taken literally "filled up for $4.53."
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We are paying $4.19 for Premium for the bikes and my Subaru..sheesh...
George's truck stays parked most of the time because it's diesel...
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That VW Passat TDI of Linda's is getting better fuel mileage than my bike. The diesel gets 39mpg!
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That VW Passat TDI of Linda's is getting better fuel mileage than my bike. The diesel gets 39mpg!
You should be able to get 40mpg if you ride without riding too hard. Is that both in town and highway? :nixweiss: It seems to me that lately the gas is not as good or something has caused mine and others gas mileage to be less than before. :-\ spyder
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You should be able to get 40mpg if you ride without riding too hard. Is that both in town and highway? :nixweiss: It seems to me that lately the gas is not as good or something has caused mine and others gas mileage to be less than before. :-\ spyder
It's that "hard cider" they're putting in the fuel now, Spydy... ;D
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My sister has a VW Jetta Diesel and gets around 50 mpg..I get 48-50 on my bike..
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My sister has a VW Jetta Diesel and gets around 50 mpg..I get 48-50 on my bike..
And that would be a stock 88 inch motor correct ?
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And that would be a stock 88 inch motor correct ?
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I don't know..I ride a Yamaha V Star 1300..
Trying to raise money for a Harley...ya wanna contibute? LOL...
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I don't know..I ride a Yamaha V Star 1300..
Trying to raise money for a Harley...ya wanna contibute? LOL...
There's an old saying
" Use what you got to get what you want "
whatchagot ?
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There's an old saying
" Use what you got to get what you want "
whatchagot ?
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Hee hee....I am using it on George..not getting me a Harley yet..
I sell jewelry..
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Hee hee....I am using it on George..not getting me a Harley yet..
I sell jewelry..
Just because it's good ole George doesn't mean you can't follow the rule
As a gentleman, I will leave it at that
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Just because it's good ole George doesn't mean you can't follow the rule
As a gentleman, I will leave it at that
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RORLMFAO...okay kind sir..
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And that would be a stock 88 inch motor correct ?
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I have the original 2000 screamin eagle, 95 cubic inch and I get 48-50 mpg. Haven't done anything to it except put Hooker slipons on her.
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RORLMFAO...okay kind sir..
What the heck is RORLMFAO? IDGT! :nixweiss:
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What the heck is RORLMFAO? IDGT! :nixweiss:
I made a boo boo..ROFLMFAO! sorry :nixweiss:
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I made a boo boo..ROFLMFAO! sorry :nixweiss:
Thanks now I really feel DUMB what is ROFLMFAO. I have never worked for the government so I'm not good at acronyms
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Thanks now I really feel DUMB what is ROFLMFAO. I have never worked for the government so I'm not good at acronyms
ROFLMFAO stands for "Rolling on floor laughing my f.....g ass off."
Or it stands for "Rotting old flatulent liver meat from angry otters."
Maybe "Raw oyster flying lice monkeys from Akron, Ohio."
One of them...... ;)
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ROFLMFAO stands for "Rolling on floor laughing my f.....g ass off."
Or it stands for "Rotting old flatulent liver meat from angry otters."
Maybe "Raw oyster flying lice monkeys from Akron, Ohio."
One of them...... ;)
I feel so enlightened thanks! ;D
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New high - now as much as $2.70 for a litre of diesel in some places in the UK.
If you come on holiday here bring gas with you!
:o
Nige
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was paying close to 1.50 CD last week per litre
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was paying close to 1.50 CD last week per litre
What's that in American dollars?
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What's that in American dollars?
:nixweiss:
Baically its 1 to 1.
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was paying close to 1.50 CD last week per litre
Where the H have you been . You've made every one sooooo angry .Every one has been looking for you, CHECK IN once and a while
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I have the original 2000 screamin eagle, 95 cubic inch and I get 48-50 mpg. Haven't done anything to it except put Hooker slipons on her.
Thanks for the post, it kind of verifies my mpg's. I was thinking something was off with the speedo. Doc
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Hmmmm....
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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IKE UPDATE!!!
As high as $4.69 Regular Here...
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IKE UPDATE!!!
As high as $4.69 Regular Here...
We got about a .15 bump here due to Ike. Regular unleaded went up to about $3.59
Kinda puzzled..... diesel didn't go up any (yet anyway). Diesel is as low as $3.69 here.
Watched Fox News earlier today. They were saying that none of the rigs or refineries were damaged, so prices should drop back down pretty quick (I would think anyway). Especially since oil dropped below $100 per barrel briefly Friday.
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Our Gas prices are really running wild over here at the moment. I filled up my Cage today with a little over 14 Gallons of Gas and it cost me the equivalent of $150.00 - yep you read it right $150.00 for 14 Gallons of Gas.
Now that smarts.
>:(
Nige
Hell! I count my blessings after reviewing this post!
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was paying close to 1.50 CD last week per litre
That's $6.30 a US gallon as 4 liters = 1.05 gallon.
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That's $6.30 a US gallon as 4 liters = 1.05 gallon.
4.99 today!!! Told ya we should'a taken that place over 7 years ago!!! FTME!!!! ;)
Hoist! 8)
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4.99 today!!! Told ya we should'a taken that place over 7 years ago!!! FTME!!!! ;)
Hoist! 8)
Can't blame the middle east for the latest spikes. Crude has dropped below $100 officially as of today, which should translate to more than an $.80 per gallon drop in price for gasoline from the high point earlier this year. Now the problem isn't crude oil, but speculation in wholesale gasoline prices. Nowdays they don't wait for something to actually happen before jacking up prices, they look into their crystal ball and see a possibility of something disrupting supply so they increase prices "just in case". If supply isn't disrupted, I'm sure we will all get a rebate from the speculators, right? ???
Don't forget, Greed is Good!
Jerry
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Can't blame the middle east for the latest spikes. Crude has dropped below $100 officially as of today, which should translate to more than an $.80 per gallon drop in price for gasoline from the high point earlier this year. Now the problem isn't crude oil, but speculation in wholesale gasoline prices. Nowdays they don't wait for something to actually happen before jacking up prices, they look into their crystal ball and see a possibility of something disrupting supply so they increase prices "just in case". If supply isn't disrupted, I'm sure we will all get a rebate from the speculators, right? ???
Don't forget, Greed is Good!
Jerry
HeHe!!! Been blamin em since the 70's!!! ;)
Hoist! 8)
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Refinery locations & shut downs are the "reason" given for this one. However when MN or SD or some other state in the midwest (hell any state anywhere) wants to build a refinery, the tree huggers kill the deal & the oil companies chuckle loudly. Sometimes I wonder if the oil companies fund the tree huggers protests?
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Refinery locations & shut downs are the "reason" given for this one. However when MN or SD or some other state in the midwest (hell any state anywhere) wants to build a refinery, the tree huggers kill the deal & the oil companies chuckle loudly. Sometimes I wonder if the oil companies fund the tree huggers protests?
"Sometimes I wonder if the oil companies fund the tree huggers protests?"
Eureka! The big money Skull & Bones world is incestuous...
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"Sometimes I wonder if the oil companies fund the tree huggers protests?"
Eureka! The big money Skull & Bones world is incestuous...
/zaxtly! The Trilateral Commission is using the Federal Reserve to subjugate the citizens of the entire world into financial slavery, too.
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Rampant plooking of the public and each other...Slick Willy had nothing on these boys...
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I hear black helicopters hovering on quiet mode overhead just out of sight. shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh............
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IKE UPDATE!!!
As high as $4.69 Regular Here...
Well, I think this still qualifies as a good topic related to our beloved hobby and passion of riding. Regular gas around here is starting to hit $2.99 . With OPEC calling for measures to curb the drop in the barrel price I'd like to follow this pricing of gas for awhile.
How is it where you live and ride?
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Well, I think this still qualifies as a good topic related to our beloved hobby and passion of riding. Regular gas around here is starting to hit $2.99 . With OPEC calling for measures to curb the drop in the barrel price I'd like to follow this pricing of gas for awhile.
How is it where you live and ride?
Here in central Oklahoma regular unleaded is as low as $2.31 per gallon. Diesel is down to $3.28.... still not driving my truck very much and the RV has only been out twice this year. Was going to take the RV out this week, but too many things came up.
Glad the price is coming down, but oil closed below $70 per barrel today. The last time oil was below $70 per barrel, gasoline was around $1.70 per gallon. Gasoline should come down more if the price of oil stays down.
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Some price drops here too - Regular gas is now down to around $1.73 a litre - so multiplying that out to the US gallon = around $6.57.
$7.86 for the good old Imperial Gallon.
Nige
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Saw it at $2.82 a gallon in Pensacola on Wednesday...It's running at $2.85 here in Mobile...I'm actually surprised it's below $3.00 a gl. I was telling my grandson just a few months ago I didn't think we'd ever see it below 3 a gl again. I really thought the Arabs would never let it go that low again without tightining the spicket first. Oh well, lets see how long it takes em to reduce supply to the market and drive it back up...Just the SOS
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$ 2.82 - 3.08 gal in Charleston area 93 octane $ 3.05 and up!
Mike
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$2.82 here in East Central Indiana. Nice to see it going down instead of the other direction for a change! :orange:
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North Georgia was at $2.24 for regular.
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Supply & demand causing gas prices to rise & fall for over 100 years. I noticed that first when I looked at petrochemical pricing in the 1970's. Wow, so I am trying to contain my amazement here somewhat.
It will go up again, it will fall again. You can bet on it. Very safe bet, BTW.
It's in the $2.85 or so range here & dropping almost daily.
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Down to $3.19 at COSTCO yesterday. Come on $2.85!
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News Flash: Diesel $3.09 here in centeral Oklahoma! :bananarock: :2vrolijk_21:
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$2.85-$2.99 here for reg...still dropping. Demand has dropped, so there is a temp glut on the supply side. All the resst of the chit going on is driving prices down too. Retail sales are being hit hard all over...lots of good sales going on though.
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93 octane $3.05 here today!
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$2.79 for 87 swill in duluth, mn. $2.99 for 93. dropping sometimes twice a day. :orange:
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News Flash: Diesel $3.09 here in centeral Oklahoma! :bananarock: :2vrolijk_21:
Update: Diesel just dropped to $2.99 :huepfenjump3:
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Down to 2.69 for 87 regular in Mobile, Al. :2vrolijk_21: Better enjoy while we can.
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Down to 2.69 for 87 regular in Mobile, Al. :2vrolijk_21: Better enjoy while we can.
paid 2.39 exit 3 in GA today...
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paid 2.39 exit 3 in GA today...
$2.84 in the Yakima Valley today!
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More of the sunshine tax $3.3799 for regular in Poway CA
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More of the sunshine tax $3.3799 for regular in Poway CA
Paid $2.99 in S. Wisconsin yesterday...
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Paid $2.99 in S. Wisconsin yesterday...
$2.29 yesterday. Filled the SERG up with premium for $2.51.
In fact just finishing on the phone. Think I'll do my bit to aid the economic recovery by going and out using more fuel which will need to be purchased for replacement.
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It's a conspiracy. Gas prices are dropping due to...... well it has to be a conspiracy.
Nothing to do with supply or demand or nuttin'. A conspiracy. A full investigation is needed & Congress must act! or not.......
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It's a conspiracy. Gas prices are dropping due to...... well it has to be a conspiracy.
Nothing to do with supply or demand or nuttin'. A conspiracy. A full investigation is needed & Congress must act! or not.......
Has more to do with speculators jumping ship now that they have helped create a global recession. Time to move on to other commodities or investments. Sure hope they don't find a way to make quick profits on air, or we will need to learn how to breath much less. With my heart and lungs, I'd be a goner in no time.
Demand alone never did explain the rapid run-up in prices, and reduced demand doesn't explain the rapid decline. I wonder if those Trillions of dollars disappearing from hedge funds, commodities markets, and stock markets might have just a little to do with it? :confused5: Less OPM to gamble with.
BTW, our entire economy is a conspiracy, but don't tell. It's supposed to be a secret. :nervous:
Jerry
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$2.29 yesterday. Filled the SERG up with premium for $2.51.
In fact just finishing on the phone. Think I'll do my bit to aid the economic recovery by going and out using more fuel which will need to be purchased for replacement.
You have hit on the next big crisis, the petroleum storage tanks in this country are now overflowing which could lead to some ecological damage (only minor according to industry and government officials). We need to mobilize all those folks who were only buying a few dollars worth at a time and get them to all fill their tanks. Don't forget the lawn mowers, snow blowers, generators, etc. We may need to convene another special session of Congress to bail out rescue the petroleum industry by providing loans to build more storage tanks.
Jerry
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Watch heating oil, propane, kerosene, coal, & electricity.
Power Co. here has put in for an increase.
Mike
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Has more to do with speculators jumping ship now that they have helped create a global recession. Time to move on to other commodities or investments. Sure hope they don't find a way to make quick profits on air, or we will need to learn how to breath much less. With my heart and lungs, I'd be a goner in no time.
Demand alone never did explain the rapid run-up in prices, and reduced demand doesn't explain the rapid decline. I wonder if those Trillions of dollars disappearing from hedge funds, commodities markets, and stock markets might have just a little to do with it? :confused5: Less OPM to gamble with.
BTW, our entire economy is a conspiracy, but don't tell. It's supposed to be a secret. :nervous:
Jerry
I knew the economy was supposed to be a secret conspiracy of conspirators. Will tell no one. :2vrolijk_21:
Also noticed since capital gains are capital losses for the vast majority of losers investors - tax revenues from any "capital gains" taxes will be about nothing, if not less than nothing for quite a while.
Wonder what speculators will pick on next to help screw up? "Fat Cat" food maybe? :nixweiss:
Mike
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The economy a conspiracy?... Yes. Absolutely!
Gas prices?... No. The gas prices were all Bush's fault..... haven't you guys been listening to the libs? So, if high gas prices were Bush's fault.... shouldn't Bush be getting some credit now for doing something right, since gas prices are coming down? :D ;)
Oops.... Never Mind :lipsrsealed2:
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The economy a conspiracy?... Yes. Absolutely!
Gas prices?... No. The gas prices were all Bush's fault..... haven't you guys been listening to the libs? So, if high gas prices were Bush's fault.... shouldn't Bush be getting some credit now for doing something right, since gas prices are coming down? :D ;)
LR - it does not work that way. Blame is given by those who love to give blame for whatever reason they dream up/choose/imagine or pull loudly from their orifice de anallio to give blame. Credit for the reversal of such claimed blame is NEVER given especially by those who suffer publicly from BDS. Usually the reason for any of these good things happening are attributed to someone who had nothing to do with it or some distantly related activity that is placed by strained tangent into proximity of the good thing happening. Often this can be done by using a dancing unicorn frolicking near the mermaid pool at the end of the leprechaun rainbow of happinesses & treasures. The economic editorial boards of the NY Times & MSNBC use that methodology & many of their readers/viewers believe as well as enjoy it.
;)
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Nobody credits the:
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Many believe it's the:
(http://chandra.harvard.edu/photo/2004/darkenergy/pie.jpg)
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Well what do think fills the center? It delineates the torroid...What are you some sort of tater tot eater?! :o
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Careful, there are some teetering dangerously close to political discussion here...
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Well what do think fills the center? It delineates the torroid...What are you some sort of tater tot eater?! :o
Pshaw & semi-harrumph! Indeed I consume the tiny tots of the mighty taters. With ketchup, not catsup even though both spellings exist extant. Most recently I consumed the hash browns of the mighty taters - stringy little tangents of linear rectangular starch cooked crisply to a golden brown.........
I do not think of the center except to think of
(http://www.hello.com.au/uploads/brisbane-donut-wars.jpg)
Had several with my BSR for breakfast on Saturday in Daytona where you were not & I was. Mmmmmmmmm.......
A delinieated torroid needs this stuff mebbe?
(http://badideacatalog.com/Images/anusol2.JPG)
Gratuitous reference to pie.
;D ;D ;D
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Careful, there are some teetering dangerously close to political discussion here...
I have been almost forthcoming about my attachment to the Pie Lobby, but frankly have posted little about my fondness for the Pie Kitchen. Pie in the parlor is ok too as is pie in the den or living room & of course the dining room. Pie in the bedroom is altogether a different subject......
;D
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Deny the tater cake its rightoues place at the top of the mutilated tuber woild and see what happens!
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Pshaw & semi-harrumph! Indeed I consume the tiny tots of the mighty taters. With ketchup, not catsup even though both spellings exist extant. Most recently I consumed the hash browns of the mighty taters - stringy little tangents of linear rectangular starch cooked crisply to a golden brown.........
I do not think of the center except to think of
(http://www.hello.com.au/uploads/brisbane-donut-wars.jpg)
Had several with my BSR for breakfast on Saturday in Daytona where you were not & I was. Mmmmmmmmm.......
A delinieated torroid needs this stuff mebbe?
(http://badideacatalog.com/Images/anusol2.JPG)
I was at the other place you were not at with people that were not where you were. I ate a breakfast sangwitch.
Gratuitous reference to pie.
;D ;D ;D
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As a person of Irish descent potatoes of all shapes & sizes are usually preferred. Even the cheesy au gratin potatoes which came from France or some other cheese country like Switzerland with holey cheeses. Mashed taters beaten & tortured into large potato molecules of creaminess, even.
The cake is a pressed hash brown - formed into a convenient shape for easy consumption by steel & machine. It must not be denied.
What of the potato skin? The kind TGI Fridays fills with bacon & stuff & sells for almost as much money as Frito Lay sells their air fluffed colorfully packaged taters for?
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Speaking of conspiracies, how about that crap they've been teaching in school all these years about pi r square? Everybody with half a brain knows pies are round.
Aw chit, now ya got me doing it. Screw pie, let's eat cake! :birthdays:
Jerry
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Speaking of conspiracies, how about that crap they've been teaching in school all these years about pi r square? Everybody with half a brain knows pies are round.
Aw chit, now ya got me doing it. Screw pie, let's eat cake! :birthdays:
Jerry
Pi r square is a commie plot to make pies square instead of round.
Screw pie pics are not allowed here, but eating pie pics are. :nixweiss:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d4/Pi_pie2.jpg)
Mike
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I have been almost forthcoming about my attachment to the Pie Lobby, but frankly have posted little about my fondness for the Pie Kitchen. Pie in the parlor is ok too as is pie in the den or living room & of course the dining room. Pie in the bedroom is altogether a different subject......
;D
I've heard of these frightening "Pie Dens Of Iniquity"...it all starts with just one non-addictive slice, doesn't it??? Or, errr, maybe it was "Pig Pens Of Intensity"? I'll have to jot this down for later research, anyone got a Pig Pencil? My Pig Pen is out of (st)ink...
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Pi r square is a commie plot to make pies square instead of round.
Screw pie pics are not allowed here, but eating pie pics are. :nixweiss:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d4/Pi_pie2.jpg)
Mike
That aberration pictures is a cheese CAKE disguised as a Pi. Of all the innernet horrors....
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Speaking of conspiracies, how about that crap they've been teaching in school all these years about pi r square? Everybody with half a brain knows pies are round.
Aw chit, now ya got me doing it. Screw pie, let's eat cake! :birthdays:
Jerry
Ahhhhhhh A Kindred soul.
B B
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Careful, there are some teetering dangerously close to political discussion here...
No .... all our bikes run on gas so the deluded, conspiratrial, machinations of our political supermen dogsbodies affects our everyday perambulations.
:P
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I've heard of these frightening "Pie Dens Of Iniquity"...it all starts with just one non-addictive slice, doesn't it??? Or, errr, maybe it was "Pig Pens Of Intensity"? I'll have to jot this down for later research, anyone got a Pig Pencil? My Pig Pen is out of (st)ink...
I thought Pig Pen played keyboards and blew a harp for the Dead...what's he got to do with pie?
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$2.63 for regular unleaded
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$2.63 for regular unleaded
$2.79 for regular in Central Massachusetts
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Northwest Indiana has stalled at the $2.95 mark for several days now. I sense a large dose of profit taking, made possible by the proximity of Cook County Illinois where gasoline taxes (and all other taxes as well) are ridiculously high. That makes gas prices here seem cheap by comparison, even when they are screwing us. I figure without the Illinois influence we would be closer to $2.79 right now.
Jerry
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Still $3 in God's waiting room
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$2.75 in the Bellingham area, just off the beaten path a bit.
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Paid $2.99 in S. Wisconsin yesterday...
Paid $2.75 today...
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With a good siphon hose & a can, it's free.......
Nevermind the above. Blame the gas voices for that one.
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With a good siphon hose & a can, it's free.......
Nevermind the above. Blame the gas voices for that one.
And here you have it...
(http://www.aerostich.com/files/images/detailed/4986_1b.jpg)
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And here you have it...
(http://www.aerostich.com/files/images/detailed/4986_1b.jpg)
That looks more like something you give somebody an enema with than a Georgia credit card
B B
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That looks more like something you give somebody an enema with than a Georgia credit card
B B
And why wouldn't it...it's the prototype!
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And why wouldn't it...it's the prototype!
But there's a difference between syphon and - - - oh hell, forget it, the whole thing is disgusting :puke:
B B
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(http://www.americansforprosperity.org/includes/imagemanager/images/gas.jpg)
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(http://www.americansforprosperity.org/includes/imagemanager/images/gas.jpg)
Combat Ehtyl must have been some high octane :2vrolijk_21:
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But there's a difference between syphon and - - - oh hell, forget it, the whole thing is disgusting :puke:
B B
A difference...perhaps not...
;)
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What with the strengthening of the dollar and the decrease in crude prices you can now get a gallon of gas over here for as little as $5.50. Thats about half what it was when I was over in the USA in the summer.
Time to make dem plans and come for a holiday in the UK.
Nige
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What with the strengthening of the dollar and the decrease in crude prices you can now get a gallon of gas over here for as little as $5.50. Thats about half what it was when I was over in the USA in the summer.
Time to make dem plans and come for a holiday in the UK.
Nige
Just another excuse to burn up more in our lovely scoots. 8) har! :drink: spyder
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$2.45 for regular unleaded at COSTCO in Marysville, WA the other day.
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Central Oklahoma:
Regualr Unleaded $1.98
Diesel $2.75
Filled up my Dodge truck with diesel Saturday morning... spent $87.00. I don't put many miles on the truck, so the last fill up was probably a couple of months ago and the fill up cost $131
Filled up the car yesterday and paid $23.00 At the high point back a few months ago, it cost $50 to fill the car.
This is much better..... sure hope it last for a while.
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This is much better..... sure hope it last for a while.
Amen my friend, Amen!
A long while please.
Not sure if we will ever get back to the price of consumables that we had a year ago, cause that expense is still high, high, high!
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Central Oklahoma:
Regualr Unleaded $1.98
Diesel $2.75
Filled up my Dodge truck with diesel Saturday morning... spent $87.00. I don't put many miles on the truck, so the last fill up was probably a couple of months ago and the fill up cost $131
Filled up the car yesterday and paid $23.00 At the high point back a few months ago, it cost $50 to fill the car.
This is much better..... sure hope it last for a while.
I always knew OK was OK ;D
B B
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Paid $2.99 in S. Wisconsin yesterday...
Paid $2.75 today...
and paid $2.36 today...
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Paid $2.99 in S. Wisconsin yesterday...
and paid $2.36 today...
This morning - $2.18
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This must be a dastardly plot by the Big Evil Oil Companies to lower prices so their profits will drop. It is insidious, too. And also very bad. Terrible. Prices will be down to $.97 a gallon if it continued at this rate by March, maybe. Or was it $7.00 a gallon by 2010? I forget which predictions are infallible sometimes.
Congress should have hearings immediately to find the Evil, Bad, Etc. Oil Price Fixing culprits so they can yell nonsense at them!
Supply & demand of course have nothing to do with this...........
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Central Oklahoma:
Regualr Unleaded $1.98
Diesel $2.75
Update: Diesel $2.59
I may be able to use the RV again very soon
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This must be a dastardly plot by the Big Evil Oil Companies to lower prices so their profits will drop. It is insidious, too. And also very bad. Terrible. Prices will be down to $.97 a gallon if it continued at this rate by March, maybe. Or was it $7.00 a gallon by 2010? I forget which predictions are infallible sometimes.
Congress should have hearings immediately to find the Evil, Bad, Etc. Oil Price Fixing culprits so they can yell nonsense at them!
Supply & demand of course have nothing to do with this...........
There won't be any profit to redistribute at this rate. What about the Windfall profits tax. The sky is falling.................
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Could this be a feeble plot by "Big Oil" to alter the out come of the impending election?
Could Oil Companies have an ulterior motive to....?
Could they be trying to just lull us into a false sense of comfort.... and then yank the rug out from under us? Could this be a trick?
Inquiring Minds Want To Know!
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This must be a dastardly plot by the Big Evil Oil Companies to lower prices so their profits will drop. It is insidious, too. And also very bad. Terrible. Prices will be down to $.97 a gallon if it continued at this rate by March, maybe. Or was it $7.00 a gallon by 2010? I forget which predictions are infallible sometimes.
Congress should have hearings immediately to find the Evil, Bad, Etc. Oil Price Fixing culprits so they can yell nonsense at them!
Supply & demand of course have nothing to do with this...........
I hear you. But I STILL hate the oil companies!! Regular was $4 when oil was $140 a barrel. It closed yesterday around $63 a barrel. I did my gizintas on that figure and seems to me that gas ought to be somewhere around $1.80 and its still averaging $2.59 here in VA. So don't feel too bad for Exxon, they're not going out of business anytime soon!
Cheers
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There won't be any profit to redistribute at this rate. What about the Windfall profits tax. The sky is falling.................
:2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21:
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Could this be a feeble plot by "Big Oil" to alter the out come of the impending election?
Could Oil Companies have an ulterior motive to....?
Could they be trying to just lull us into a false sense of comfort.... and then yank the rug out from under us? Could this be a trick?
Inquiring Minds Want To Know!
WARNING THIS THREAD IS STRAYING INTO POLITICAL COMMENTARY WARNING
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Could this be a feeble plot by "Big Oil" to alter the out come of the impending election?
Could Oil Companies have an ulterior motive to....?
Could they be trying to just lull us into a false sense of comfort.... and then yank the rug out from under us? Could this be a trick?
Inquiring Minds Want To Know!
WARNING THIS THREAD IS STRAYING INTO POLITICAL COMMENTARY WARNING
Sorry... Thanks, Lost My Head There For An Instant
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STill it's cheaper than one year ago.
You can check it out on www.gasbuddy.com
Here is Virginia Beach County for example from today:
Today 2.281
Yesterday 2.311
One Week Ago 2.609
One Month Ago 3.572
One Year Ago 2.878
http://www.virginiabeachgasprices.com/Virginia_Beach_-_Central/index.aspx
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STill it's cheaper than one year ago.
You can check it out on www.gasbuddy.com
Here is Virginia Beach County for example from today:
Today 2.281
Yesterday 2.311
One Week Ago 2.609
One Month Ago 3.572
One Year Ago 2.878
http://www.virginiabeachgasprices.com/Virginia_Beach_-_Central/index.aspx
Filled up early this AM for $1.96 :2vrolijk_21: .
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Filled up early this AM for $1.96 :2vrolijk_21: .
How big is your gas tank? :coolblue:
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I reckon I'll have to take a trip if I want some of this cheaper gas ya'll quote. :confused5: har! spyder
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How big is your gas tank? :coolblue:
Max is 26 and change. Poured 24 gallons :drink: .
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Filled up early this AM for $1.96 :2vrolijk_21: .
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Max is 26 and change. Poured 24 gallons :drink: .
Cheap gas all over Joplin........... all of these at $1.97
Price Station Area Time Thanks
Casey's
Joplin Wed
11:03 AM troyks1
4800 S Range Line near 48th
Murphy USA
Joplin Wed
8:00 AM Soccermom32
2619 West 7th near Shifferdecker
Love's
Joplin Wed
7:53 AM BrotherCool
4013 MO-43 Exit 4 & Coyote Dr
BP
Joplin Wed
7:53 AM BrotherCool
4240 S MO-43 & I-44
Pilot
Joplin Wed
7:53 AM BrotherCool
4500 MO-43 near I-44
Flying J
Joplin Tue
10:48 PM got2bassfish
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Cheap gas all over Joplin........... all of these at $1.97
Suppose most of the locals don't really think about but we're in a geographic pocket surrounded by by major pipes. More than one service point off the pipes too. So delivery costs are comparatively low and supply is rarely a question. Obviously no local refining nor anything like that. Just in a good spot for distribution. Places an hour up the road in Springfield or down in Oklahoma are often even a bit cheaper than we are here.
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That does it!!!!!
Cheapest gas here is $2.32/gallon..... I'm moving to Joplin for cheap/er gas and a mechanic that works for :drink: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
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That does it!!!!!
Cheapest gas here is $2.32/gallon..... I'm moving to Joplin for cheap/er gas and a mechanic that works for :drink: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
:trailer: :trailer:
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I live 90 miles from one of the largest refineries on the west coast and gas is still over $3/gallon for regular.
Go figure
B B
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I live 90 miles from one of the largest refineries on the west coast and gas is still over $3/gallon for regular.
Go figure
B B
Could be due, in part, to state taxes on gasoline in your area
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Could be due, in part, to state taxes on gasoline in your area
Hey LRebel Just buy your cheap Okey gas and let me grumble in peace.
I don't need intelligence interjected into the conversation :huepfenjump3:
B B
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I live 90 miles from one of the largest refineries on the west coast and gas is still over $3/gallon for regular.
Go figure
B B
But you also have specific state laws requiring where the refined product you buy comes from and further requiring things done with that refined product that most everyone else does not require. California ain't normal... :huepfenlol2:
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Hey LRebel Just buy your cheap Okey gas and let me grumble in peace.
I don't need intelligence interjected into the conversation :huepfenjump3:
B B
:oops: :huepfenlol2: my bad :huepfenlol2: :oops:
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Hey LRebel Just buy your cheap Okey gas and let me grumble in peace.
I don't need intelligence interjected into the conversation :huepfenjump3:
B B
:D :D :D You could just move to Oklahoma, Missouri, Texas,.... where the taxes are lower :nixweiss: :huepfenlol2:
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Hey LRebel Just buy your cheap Okey gas and let me grumble in peace.
I don't need intelligence interjected into the conversation :huepfenjump3:
B B
I like to grumble in peace but our brainless legislators decided we need the California emissions up here too. Maybe the entire coast will fall into the ocean someday and clean up this mess.
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I like to grumble in peace but our brainless legislators decided we need the California emissions up here too. Maybe the entire coast will fall into the ocean someday and clean up this mess.
Oh no, we don't want that.... then your legislators would have to move east. No we don't want that :D
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$2.55 here at arco
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There won't be any profit to redistribute at this rate. What about the Windfall profits tax. The sky is falling.................
A hefty Capital Gains tax increase will be just as spiffy as a Windfall profits tax - since the cap. gains disappeared a month ago.
When the sky falls here we call it "Liquid Sunshine". I wonder if a brokerage called "Chicken Little Falling Sky Investments" would be a good name for an energy investment concern?
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I hear you. But I STILL hate the oil companies!! Regular was $4 when oil was $140 a barrel. It closed yesterday around $63 a barrel. I did my gizintas on that figure and seems to me that gas ought to be somewhere around $1.80 and its still averaging $2.59 here in VA. So don't feel too bad for Exxon, they're not going out of business anytime soon!
Cheers
S'ok to hate the oil companies. I was in a filthy gas station restroom this week, and figure the CEO could at least keep the damn thing clean. He appeared to be busy making book on the phone instead of tending to his chores as best I could tell. Smelled like an outhouse for swine with an Exlax diet, sorta.
In some states with refineries gas is hitting the $1.90 range & depending on SUPPLY, prices will adjust in other markets as well. One problem is the incredibly dumb CAFE crap where gas has to be made in a brazillion differing formulas for differing markets due to BS air quality standards that are all over the map instead of STANDARDIZED. Plays heck with the supply chain of gasoline in certain markets (price).
If any care to look at historical oil prices they go up, then they go down. Then they go up, then they go down. Up, down. Like a see saw, but our media treats the "ups" as EVIL Greed & yawns at the downs. Demonizing imitation butter coated popcorn at the movies would be preferred by me, but I do not own any media conglomerates to start my scathing attack on artificially colored and flavored yellow imitation butter type oils. While I do not hate this Evil Big Oil, I can understand why some do.
Cheers!
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$2.09 in Ypsilanti Michigan right now.
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Here is a website that you can enter your zipcode or any zipcode for that matter and find the cheapest gas in your area... Around my area the cheapest is $ 1.89 to $ 1.97
http://autos.msn.com/everyday/GasStationsBeta.aspx
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$1.75 per gallon here.
Beats all I have seen.
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$1.75 per gallon here.
Beats all I have seen.
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How much for 113 :nixweiss:
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How much for 113 :nixweiss:
Don't use it, but don't ask about 110!
:confused5: :'( :confused5: :'( :confused5: :'( :confused5: :'(
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Don't use it, but don't ask about 110!
:confused5: :'( :confused5: :'( :confused5: :'( :confused5: :'(
8.... 8.50......8.75........9 :nixweiss:
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I paid $1.99 today. I think that was $.30+/- less then what I paid a couple weeks ago.
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
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I paid $1.99 today. I think that was $.30+/- less then what I paid a couple weeks ago.
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
I was pleasantly surprised to see $1.79 at a spot just out of town this afternoon. Didn't need fuel but still almost stopped to top off on the Kool Aid.
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8.... 8.50......8.75........9 :nixweiss:
111 is $8.02 just south of Cullman.
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111 is $8.02 just south of Cullman.
That's very high!
Cam II 110 is 5.25.
Which was very reasonable when premium was 4.30.
NOW, is another story.
But fortunately the 09 can only use premium not the Cam II.
At least it can't this week!
Next week, another story!
:2vrolijk_21:
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That's very high!
Cam II 110 is 5.25.
Which was very reasonable when premium was 4.30.
NOW, is another story.
But fortunately the 09 can only use premium not the Cam II.
At least it can't this week!
Next week, another story!
:2vrolijk_21:
That quote ain't from me buying the stuff, Chip. When I was in Hanceville last Saturday, there was a gentleman there with a Luxury Blue 02 Ultra (so familiar to me) that had a Jims 131 in it. He also had a chain drive secondary about which he was concerned, so he asked Rod to have a gander. As Rod rolled his machine on the lift, I couldn't help but notice the ashen appearance of his Rinehart Exhaust, so I asked him what he was running. He told me he runs 1 gallon of 111 to 3 gallons of 93, "but that 111 is $8.02 a gallon."
Yeah.....I agree, that is high, but when all you have to measure against is 93.....heck, I wouldn't know what high is when it comes to that racin' fuel.
Matter of fact......the first time I ever saw the ashen residue was when when I met you in Nancy in MV last year......and I didn't think too much of it......just thought you ran your bikes lean. Then when you explained CAM II at CHL this March, it cleared things up. So I learned that ashen exhaust means the rider is running something other than, or in addition to, pump gas. I never even knew the stuff was available, and wouldn't know where to go or who to ask to get it.
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44K
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WOW! I'd eat off that thing. My JEs don't look near that good after 13K. I'll get some pix this weekend. Thanks for posting, Chip. :2vrolijk_21:
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$1.78 per gallon here now. First time below $2 in 3 years. Still going the right way for now.
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Not that low here but at $2.29 is not bad
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$2.14 here & falling daily.
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We seem to be holding at $1.85 to $1.89 :pumpkin:
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We seem to be holding at $1.85 to $1.89 :pumpkin:
And me with a giant refinery practically up the street is stuck at $2.35 for regular
Sun Tax we call it. Everything has a sun tax on it out here
B B
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$2.06 as of noon today.
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$2.06 as of noon today.
Cheaper up theya as you do not have the Palm Beach/Broward/Dade illegal alien work center development tax plus the funding to keep the Donald quiet. 2.55
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Cheaper up theya as you do not have the Palm Beach/Broward/Dade illegal alien work center development tax plus the funding to keep the Donald quiet. 2.55
Currently I am in the central Florida corridor of attractions horror know as Holando. They keep Walt's head in a cryovac freezer here with some blue Popsicles & it must cost less than keeping the Donald in hair plugs/wigs & blond bimbettas. Gas prices range from 2.20 to 2.06 from what I saw today, based in part on illegal alien siphoning shrinkages mebbe.
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Enjoy your Mickiness.
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Some here at $1.99 for reg and the vast majority in the $2.25 or lower.
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Low fuel light was flashing when I got back from the post office so I stopped to fill up at a local indy gas station.
Even with having to run premium in the Mitsu rocket sled, the fill-up was $38.
Gotta love that
B B
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Currently I am in the central Florida corridor of attractions horror know as Holando. They keep Walt's head in a cryovac freezer here with some blue Popsicles & it must cost less than keeping the Donald in hair plugs/wigs & blond bimbettas. Gas prices range from 2.20 to 2.06 from what I saw today, based in part on illegal alien siphoning shrinkages mebbe.
ISKI,
is it NW Florida or is it Tourist Hell I mean Hellando...... 2.19 up here in the Sanford Area
But the diesel is still breaking the bank :( raw fuel and it costs more dohh
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Here it is $2.10 for premium and $1.96 for regular. I love but what I'd really like to know is the last time oil was $54. per barrel, regular was $1.65 here. :nixweiss:
In other words we're still getting screwed but at least now we're happy. ;D
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Here it is $2.10 for premium and $1.96 for regular. I love but what I'd really like to know is the last time oil was $54. per barrel, regular was $1.65 here. :nixweiss:
In other words we're still getting screwed but at least now we're happy. ;D
Hmmm, most would say that was good.... at least I would. ;D
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
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Now $5.41 here for a US gallon. $1.42 per litre.
Diesel $6.27. $1.65 per litre.
Thes strengthening Dollar is killing my plans for a 2009 holiday to the west coast of the USA. I had budgeted on around £4,000.00 which would have given me about $8,000.00, when I came across earlier this year - now I would get less than $6,000.00 for my £4,000.00.
Guess y'all need to come across here.
Nige
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ISKI,
is it NW Florida or is it Tourist Hell I mean Hellando...... 2.19 up here in the Sanford Area
But the diesel is still breaking the bank :( raw fuel and it costs more dohh
Unbalanced - Stopped at a 7-11 at the entrance to Champions Gate (near the 27 exit on I-4) just south of Rattyworld & unleaded (87) was $2.06. 89 was 2.29 & 93 was 2.39. In the airport area prices ranging mostly around 2.15 or so for 87.
Cheapest gas in Tallywacky is 2.06 at a Chevron on Monroe St.
Cheap gas finder:
http://autos.msn.com/everyday/GasStations.aspx?m=1&l=1&zip=32312&x=12&y=9 (http://autos.msn.com/everyday/GasStations.aspx?m=1&l=1&zip=32312&x=12&y=9)
Feds explanation of diesel prices: http://www.eia.doe.gov/bookshelf/brochures/diesel/index.html (http://www.eia.doe.gov/bookshelf/brochures/diesel/index.html)
Fed chart on regional fuel price averages: http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/oog/info/gdu/gasdiesel.asp (http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/oog/info/gdu/gasdiesel.asp)
Glad I no longer have a diesel. Prices suck.
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Unbalanced - Stopped at a 7-11 at the entrance to Champions Gate (near the 27 exit on I-4) just south of Rattyworld & unleaded (87) was $2.06. 89 was 2.29 & 93 was 2.39. In the airport area prices ranging mostly around 2.15 or so for 87.
Cheapest gas in Tallywacky is 2.06 at a Chevron on Monroe St.
Cheap gas finder:
http://autos.msn.com/everyday/GasStations.aspx?m=1&l=1&zip=32312&x=12&y=9 (http://autos.msn.com/everyday/GasStations.aspx?m=1&l=1&zip=32312&x=12&y=9)
Feds explanation of diesel prices: http://www.eia.doe.gov/bookshelf/brochures/diesel/index.html (http://www.eia.doe.gov/bookshelf/brochures/diesel/index.html)
Fed chart on regional fuel price averages: http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/oog/info/gdu/gasdiesel.asp (http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/oog/info/gdu/gasdiesel.asp)
Glad I no longer have a diesel. Prices suck.
Cheapest here's been about $2.49.9! :o
Hoist! 8)
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Cheapest here's been about $2.49.9! :o
Hoist! 8)
I just saw $2.22 at a Roeseville Arco this morning. Heard rumblings that it could go below $2.00 this winter.
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We now have gas for $1.99 a gallon at arco. :)
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We now have gas for $1.99 a gallon at arco. :)
Nobody tells me nuthin, I didn't know you guys had moved to Tennessee :nixweiss:
B b
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Gas is $1.99 a gallon as of yesterday in the northern boonies of Florida. Below $2 in such a short time.....
I DEMAND a congressional investigation! Politicians told us gas would be $5 a gallon by Christmas. It's not even Thanksgiving & gas is below $2. Where is the outrage? Why is oil trading in the $50 per barrel range? Do the oil companies need a bail out to protect them against severe deflation? Huh? Huh?
I expect to see some DC capitol hearings with congresspersons screaming nonsense about stuff they know so little about (oil/gas). An oil dipstick has a higher energy IQ than many of those bozos. Gas will never be below $3 again and other hogwasheries of goofiness just a few weeks ago........
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Gas is $1.99 a gallon as of yesterday in the northern boonies of Florida. Below $2 in such a short time.....
I DEMAND a congressional investigation! Politicians told us gas would be $5 a gallon by Christmas. It's not even Thanksgiving & gas is below $2. Where is the outrage? Why is oil trading in the $50 per barrel range? Do the oil companies need a bail out to protect them against severe deflation? Huh? Huh?
I expect to see some DC capitol hearings with congresspersons screaming nonsense about stuff they know so little about (oil/gas). An oil dipstick has a higher energy IQ than many of those bozos. Gas will never be below $3 again and other hogwasheries of goofiness just a few weeks ago........
And our NOW 82 cent Canadian dollar will be very close to or at par with the US greenback for the seeable future. These boneheads doing these predictions don't have a friggin clue. We are at about 80 cents per litre of gas. It WOULD NEVER be below $1.00 again. I have more faith in the weather forecast. eg. very cloudy today with a good chance of sun. However no chance of rain or snow although the chance of precipitation could be as hoigh as 80%. WHAT CRAP!
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And our NOW 82 cent Canadian dollar will be very close to or at par with the US greenback for the seeable future. These boneheads doing these predictions don't have a friggin clue. We are at about 80 cents per litre of gas. It WOULD NEVER be below $1.00 again. I have more faith in the weather forecast. eg. very cloudy today with a good chance of sun. However no chance of rain or snow although the chance of precipitation could be as hoigh as 80%. WHAT CRAP!
The various prognosticators keep forgetting to insert the greed factor into their formulas, where greedy bastards kill the goose that laid all their golden eggs. All they had to do was look at a little history from the 70's and 80's to predict what we are seeing now. Energy prices rise dramatically, helping throw the world into a major recession. Demand falls, artificially inflated oil prices collapse, and we see relatively low oil prices for the next 15-20 years. Most efforts to conserve and/or find alternative energy sources die, policy makers and consumers forget the lessons of the recent past, and we start right back down the slippery slope again. We are already seeing the same affect, with many alternatives like wind farms losing viability due to relative cost. Until this country develops a real energy policy, we are destined to keep repeating this little bit of history until we finally use up the petroleum and find that we haven't invested enough in alternatives. IMHO, the current situation is the perfect time to increase the motor fuel tax to both keep the demand (and waste) from soaring again and to fund infrastructure maintenance and improvements that have been allowed to languish. Perhaps X% to infrastructure and the rest to alternative fuels research? All I know is, throughout my automotive career starting in the 70's the fuel situation has left us in an untenable situation. Look to the future and design fuel efficient vehicles, and then go out of business because customers want bigger and more powerful not small and efficient. Or design and build what the consumer wants, and then go out of business when the fickle consumers stop buying because fuel costs double. Either way the end result is the same. A proper energy policy, including variable fuel taxes to keep retail prices from swinging so wildly, is the only way I see to change the boom or bust system we have been living with. Now if we could just trust the Feds to set up and administer such a policy without turning it into just another money grab for the rich and connected.
Jerry
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As long as the Feds have anything to do with it it will never happen.It's TOO logical. THE MUFFMAN
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Jerry. I agree with you completely (which is very hard for me to say since I'm never in agreement on additional taxes). However, this would only work in a pure and perfect world where taxes aren't stolen to make up for shortfalls in other programs.
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I almost always agree w/ Jerry.........Jerry for President. (opps, I didn't mean to get 'political'......my bad) :nervous: har! :drink: spyder
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$1.97 today arco :)
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Paid $1.84 per gallon two days ago at Safeway (our Safeway has a detached gas station in the parking lot, the deal is for each $50.00 worth of groceries you buy, you get .10 off per gallon.) Yes, I had .10 off...
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And our NOW 82 cent Canadian dollar will be very close to or at par with the US greenback for the seeable future. These boneheads doing these predictions don't have a friggin clue. We are at about 80 cents per litre of gas. It WOULD NEVER be below $1.00 again. I have more faith in the weather forecast. eg. very cloudy today with a good chance of sun. However no chance of rain or snow although the chance of precipitation could be as high as 80%. WHAT CRAP!
Exactly - Nobody had a clue and these are the bozos in charge of our gummints. Trade deficit for the US is much better now that our economy has tanked, & lower oil prices will further decrease the trade deficit. Of course with a stronger dollar, the advatages to traveling to the US are lessened - such as the differences in cost that Nige posted about when comparing prices just a few months ago to now using dollars.
So instead of drilling & developing the naysayers will say yet again nuh-huh can't drill since oil is sooooooo cheap now & the cycle will repeat. It's dumb & would be mind numbing, but through the years watching this repeat it's nearly amusing, except for the hardships the fuel spikes cause some folks. Could be prevented, but doubt anything will be done as history repeats itself over & over on energy.
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$1.97 today arco :)
Soozie Like I said before, What part of Tennessee do you and Don live in now ?
B B
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Today at the Pilot travel center $1.79 per gallon. I hope it keeps going down.
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Today at the Pilot travel center $1.79 per gallon. I hope it keeps going down.
Now we wonder where will it end on the downside. Much better than on the rising side.
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Now we wonder where will it end on the downside. Much better than on the rising side.
Ain't that the truth. Wonder how those that ran out and got rid of their SUV's and took a beating are feeling now that gas is going down.
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
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Ain't that the truth. Wonder how those that ran out and got rid of their SUV's and took a beating are feeling now that gas is going down.
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Evidently they still haven't seen the current price, we had a guy that was willing to take a $26k beating on a trade of a Tundra 4X4 yesterday.
I believe people see this as a temporary downturn in gas. Not sure, but I think that gas will stay down as the the overall economy for the foreseeable future......maybe 6 to 12 months at a minimum .
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Evidently they still haven't seen the current price, we had a guy that was willing to take a $26k beating on a trade of a Tundra 4X4 yesterday.
I believe people see this as a temporary downturn in gas. Not sure, but I think that gas will stay down as the the overall economy for the foreseeable future......maybe 6 to 12 months at a minimum .
Wow!!! I just adjusted how I used my SUV then take the initial beating and the years it would take to recoup that loss. It was much easier for me to leave it parked, and coordinate outings to include multiple tasks. I'd much rather not have a car payment and make adjustments.
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
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Wow!!! I just adjusted how I used my SUV then take the initial beating and the years it would take to recoup that loss. It was much easier for me to leave it parked, and coordinate outings to include multiple tasks. I'd much rather not have a car payment and make adjustments.
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Have a 90 olds that gets 24 MPG you can ride in cheap.
Not a looker but always cranks.
:nixweiss:
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Have a 90 olds that gets 24 MPG you can ride in cheap.
Not a looker but always cranks.
:nixweiss:
And just think it could have been delivered recently. :(
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
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Wow!!! I just adjusted how I used my SUV then take the initial beating and the years it would take to recoup that loss. It was much easier for me to leave it parked, and coordinate outings to include multiple tasks. I'd much rather not have a car payment and make adjustments.
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
The voice of logic, how do you expect the economy to keep moving, we need all of you out there spending, spending, spending ::)
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The voice of logic, how do you expect the economy to keep moving, we need all of you out there spending, spending, spending ::)
My motto is "good credit is better then good sex.... it lasts a lot longer". After saying that I'm not going to spend more then I earn or can pay back in a month. Only way I'll spend more is earn more, and due to present situation I'm just happy to have a job. :nixweiss:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
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My motto is "good credit is better then good sex.... it lasts a lot longer". After saying that I'm not going to spend more then I earn or can pay back in a month. Only way I'll spend more is earn more, and due to present situation I'm just happy to have a job. :nixweiss:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
I'd normally agree...but I am stretching the family credit line on stuff I see not being readily available in the near future, or if you can score a deal that mitigates the credit line
I wish we were at my next duty station now, wanna get the wife a new vehicle and there are some screaming deals right now
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I think that big oil pretty much runs the economy of the country. Now that the
price is down you will start to see the economy get better but it will take a few months
of low prices to see any real change. It will take some time before people realize
they have extra money in their pocket after they fill up the tank. Then they will start
to spend more money on other things. Then the economy will get better. IMO.
Mark
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was 1.73 and 1.93 for super in NE Ohio I90 and rt 45 this AM
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petrol prices currently in switzerland r below the prices b4 the big hike! 1.53sfr 95o :2vrolijk_21:ctane
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petrol prices currently in switzerland r below the prices b4 the big hike! 1.53sfr 95o :2vrolijk_21:ctane
Per litre would be $1.29 US. So $5.86 per US gallon, yikes. :nervous:
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$1.99 at Hazel Green, AL CONOCO this morning......regular unleaded.
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Per litre would be $1.29 US. So $5.86 per US gallon, yikes. :nervous:
nah........$4.86 per US Gallon
Nige
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$1.97 here for unleaded. Still dropping....
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Pilot Travel Center today $1.75 per gallon and still dropping.
Mark
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FINALLY!...Dropped below $2.00 a gallon today....$1.99 a gallon in Mobile... :apple: :carrot: :jalapeno: :cucumber: :pineapple: :cherry: :pepper: :2vrolijk_21:
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Gas has finally dropped down to a reasonable level. (actually it should be about 30 cents).
Just in time to put my sickles away for the winter. :(
HOWEVER, it's supposed to be close to 70 for a high tomorrow, SO, I think I'll be ridin' one more time for the month. ;)
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We are down to 2.15/gallon for 87, but PA is the highest in the tri state area (NJ,PA,DE)
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Here in central Oklahoma regular unleaded is as low as $1.61 and diesel is down to $2.49 :bananarock:
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Diesel just broke the $3.00 barrier here and 87 is down near $2 bucks, but we are very high on the tax side which keeps it up there as well.
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Southern Ontario just dropped to around .79 cents per litre. Cheapest in four years. This translates into under $3.00 per US gallon. THE MUFFMAN
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$2.98 a gallon Canadian, what is the rate for Canadian to US right now? :pumpkin:
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$2.98 a gallon Canadian, what is the rate for Canadian to US right now? :pumpkin:
One USD costs $1.23 Canadian. THE MUFFMAN
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$1.75 here in windy southeast Wyoming :bananarock: :cucumber: :coolblue:
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Getting better here in southern Illinois. We are down to $1.88 for unleaded and $2.00 for premium. Highest taxes behind CA here in IL. I believe the $4.00 + gas is why the economy tanked more so than the housing debacle.
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Regular Unleded at $1.79
Premium at $1.99
Wichita
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Paid $1.74 for 87 last night...schweet! Keep on dropping, baby!
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$1.69 reg., $1.99 93-oct., N/E Ohio Sunoco
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Soozie Like I said before, What part of Tennessee do you and Don live in now ?
B B
$1.85 Arco............. Brian I think I missed something LOL ;D
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$1.85 Arco............. Brian I think I missed something LOL ;D
Nothing below $2.25 in my end of California.
I figued if you're paying $1.85 you must have moved to Tennessee or something
B B
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Nothing below $2.25 in my end of California.
I figued if you're paying $1.85 you must have moved to Tennessee or something
B B
My favorite Arco in Roseville is down to $2.03 today. The major stations are around $2.10-$2.14
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Brian
Lander Ave and 99 Turlock Ca Right down the road from us in little ole Hilmar.
Also on the opposite side of the freeway at Barrell Inn which is an arco it was $1.89.
Your in the wrong end of the state ;)
Soozie :cherry:
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1.72 HERE IN GA.
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Dont you all feel sorry for the oil companys. :-\
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Dont you all feel sorry for the oil companys. :-\
No.
Saudi tanker taken over by pirates. Amazed $$ didn't jump up. I'll just never understand.
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A rather strange disconnect. Media has convinced many of us to feel hatred for the oil industry yet our economy goes to hell if we do not have a profitable oil industry. Suppose it would be more difficult for the media to convince us to hate the shoe industry, but in ancient times sandal makers may have suffered from a similar type of bad press, considering.
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A rather strange disconnect. Media has convinced many of us to feel hatred for the oil industry yet our economy goes to hell if we do not have a profitable oil industry. Suppose it would be more difficult for the media to convince us to hate the shoe industry, but in ancient times sandal makers may have suffered from a similar type of bad press, considering.
Admittedly, I feel strangely disconnected AND hatered for the oil industry but find myself wearing shoes to bed :nixweiss: All while watching O'Reilly :coolblue:
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Admittedly, I feel strangely disconnected AND hatered for the oil industry but find myself wearing shoes to bed :nixweiss: All while watching O'Reilly :coolblue:
I was never well connected myself, Howie. I used to hate spotted owls but have learned to accept them despite their utter contempt for widgeons & coots. I do not wear shoes to bed but have seen a movie where a femalian wore shoes to bed & I thank God that O'Reilly was nowhere near that bed since she was rather busy at the time with some big oil & he would have been bloviating.
;)
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A rather strange disconnect. Media has convinced many of us to feel hatred for the oil industry yet our economy goes to hell if we do not have a profitable oil industry. Suppose it would be more difficult for the media to convince us to hate the shoe industry, but in ancient times sandal makers may have suffered from a similar type of bad press, considering.
I used to be a great fan of the shoe industry in my younger days. I well remember spending a whole weekend getting well laced with some well heeled people who had beer on tap. They all had personal trainers and had bodyguards armed with Stilettos. I eventually moved on though as I felt the whole scene had no soul.
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I used to be a great fan of the shoe industry in my younger days. I well remember spending a whole weekend getting well laced with some well heeled people who had beer on tap. They all had personal trainers and had bodyguards armed with Stilettos. I eventually moved on though as I felt the whole scene had no soul.
;D ;D ;D
So you gave it the boot?
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So back on topic: $1.67 for regular here in Ann Arbor Mi. Still going the right direction!
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Paid $1.87/gallon today down $0.12/gallon since last time I filled up. :2vrolijk_21:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
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Some analyst place the price around $1.50 by Christmas...
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Some analyst place the price around $1.50 by Christmas...
That would certainly put me in the christmas spirit!!!
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A barrel oil closed down under $50.00 today ($48.66) :orange: :huepfenjump3: :mango: :bananarock: :apple: :carrot: :jalapeno: :cucumber: :cherry: :pineapple: :pepper: Enjoy the ride while we can :2vrolijk_21:
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A barrel oil closed down under $50.00 today ($48.66) :orange: :huepfenjump3: :mango: :bananarock: :apple: :carrot: :jalapeno: :cucumber: :cherry: :pineapple: :pepper: Enjoy the ride while we can :2vrolijk_21:
two fewer new Rolls Royces for the sheiks
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Some analyst place the price around $1.50 by Christmas...
Opps......I thought when I saw this you were talking about the price of Harley Davidson Motor Co. stock (HOG). :nervous: aaaargh. spyder
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$1.76 this morning here. 5 cent less if pay cash. :orange: :mango: :bananarock:
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Correction: Regular unleaded $1.56 and Diesel $2.39 here in Oklahoma this morning.
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Youze guys are pissing me off now. We're getting scammed here in NYC. Still $2.30-$2.50 here in NYC! Damn you Bloomberg! You're doing it to us once again! :o >:(
Hoist! 8)
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Correction: Regular unleaded $1.56 and Diesel $2.39 here in Oklahoma this morning.
Thats quite scary - 83 cents between unleaded and diesel. Before you know it it''l be a Dollar difference. I thought it was cheaper to produce Diesel than unleaded petrol.
Nige
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Thats quite scary - 83 cents between unleaded and diesel. Before you know it it''l be a Dollar difference. I thought it was cheaper to produce Diesel than unleaded petrol.
Nige
Nige,
The difference here has been around 80 cents per gallon for a long while. Makes no sense. When I first started driving diesel pick-up trucks back in the early 90's diesel was around 70% of the price of gasoline. I suspect this is a "Green" thing.
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Just paid $1.59 this morning for regular at Kroger with the .10 discount. Also note Tennessee has one of the highest "at the pump" fuel tax rates in the country. That and the 10% sales tax is why we don't have a state income tax, yet!
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$2.89 diesel at Hess...Nice to fill up for unner a cnote...Could drop anudder buck though. NO i did not buy any Krispy Kremes, but they had a Godfathers pizza that called to me. And a bud tall...
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Thats quite scary - 83 cents between unleaded and diesel. Before you know it it'll be a Dollar difference. I thought it was cheaper to produce Diesel than unleaded petrol.
Nige
Used to be a factor of diesel refining, now there are many fewer refineries as they have been converted over to petrol and the addition of "clean" diesel last year was an excuse to raise the price as well. It was easily a dollar different here from regular at the peak of pricing but has now narrowed to 70 cents or so.
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Youze guys are pissing me off now. We're getting scammed here in NYC. Still $2.30-$2.50 here in NYC! Damn you Bloomberg! You're doing it to us once again! :o >:(
Hoist! 8)
Bloomberg is running as Mayor for Life maybe? :nixweiss:
Gas is cheaper in Florida plus it's warm enough to ride all weekend. :huepfenlol2:
The ride last night was a little chilly (40's), but fun. And gas is below $2 most places now.
Just in case you weren't pissed enough already, Howie. ;)
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Just paid $1.59 this morning for regular at Kroger with the .10 discount. Also note Tennessee has one of the highest "at the pump" fuel tax rates in the country. That and the 10% sales tax is why we don't have a state income tax, yet!
Best damn gas in the entire USA too Mark. I get on average a 10% bump in my fuel mileage when driving through the great state of Tennessee :2vrolijk_21:
B B
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Best damn gas in the entire USA too Mark. I get on average a 10% bump in my fuel mileage when driving through the great state of Tennessee :2vrolijk_21:
B B
Brian, that's just from the buzz you get being that close to Elvis again.
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Brian, that's just from the buzz you get being that close to Elvis again.
Actually it was the smell of beer, BBQ and Horsechit on Beal St that did it Don
:huepfenlol2:
B B
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Filled up the Mustang today.
I do that every couple of months.
$1.69 for reg, but the Mustang loves that $1.92 premium.
How can you argue with $1.92 premium?
:nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss:
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Filled up the Mustang today.
I do that every couple of months.
$1.69 for reg, but the Mustang loves that $1.92 premium.
How can you argue with $1.92 premium?
:nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss:
How bout under $5 Torco
Would that work ?
B B
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My favorite Arco is now $1.94 The price drops almost daily :orange: sometimes a few times in a single day
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Regular is as low as $1.72 here...
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Finally below $2 here in Dago county. Mobil Station in Ramona was selling reg for $1.99
You watch it shoot back up to $4 when it's time for me to drive to Maine for the summer next May.
B B
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How bout under $5 Torco
Would that work ?
B B
Well YES!
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Well YES!
Nothing is every truly absolute is it my friend ?
B B
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Pilot Travel Center has regular gas for $1.63 here. I heard on the radio
that one station in Little Rock had it for $1.55 and traffic was backed up
to the interstate to get it.
Mark
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Pilot Travel Center has regular gas for $1.63 here. I heard on the radio
that one station in Little Rock had it for $1.55 and traffic was backed up
to the interstate to get it.
Mark
And 60 days ago we stood in line to get $4.00 gas for our bikes, and were damn glad to get it!
A world in turmoil!
:(
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Back when media energy geeeniersouses were predicting "$5 a gallon gas by you fill in the date in 2009", those of us who noted gas goes up, then comes down were met with unbridled skepticism & stuff.
Where are these same geeeniersouses now & why are they not predicting "$1.00 a gallon gas by you fill in the date in 2009"?
I suspect a conspiracy of media energy geeeniersouses, at the very least.
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down to 1.59 in Ashtubula OH
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Here in the western St. Louis are when you use your debit card, it's $1.55/9. That's about 1 mile from my house.
Over the past year or so, not needing premium I didn't pay that close attention, but it used to be that the Reg was $X.XX, Mid was $X.XX + 10¢, and Prem was $X.XX + another 10¢. Then for some reason they raised the up charges by 5¢ each and now there is a 30¢ difference between Reg and Prem, not the 20¢ there used to be.
I think that's a sneaky way to keep the Reg low and still make a better margin on the mid and premium grades.
What's the bump between grades in other area?
My son lives in Des Moines and in IA the Mid grade is cheaper than Reg grade. Most of the plains states are that way.
They've accomplished what they wanted to do, make us HAPPY to be paying less than $2.00/gallon.
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And 60 days ago we stood in line to get $4.00 gas for our bikes, and were damn glad to get it!
A world in turmoil!
:(
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Chip
I have this picture in my mind of you going to a gas station and dickering with the poor slob behind the counter over the price. " $4 a gallon , Hell no, I'll give you $3.50 and that's it " When you die at 100 or however long you live, I expect you'll dicker with St. Peter for an upgrade ;D ;D ;D
B B
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Here in the western St. Louis are when you use your debit card, it's $1.55/9. That's about 1 mile from my house.
Over the past year or so, not needing premium I didn't pay that close attention, but it used to be that the Reg was $X.XX, Mid was $X.XX + 10¢, and Prem was $X.XX + another 10¢. Then for some reason they raised the up charges by 5¢ each and now there is a 30¢ difference between Reg and Prem, not the 20¢ there used to be.
I think that's a sneaky way to keep the Reg low and still make a better margin on the mid and premium grades.
What's the bump between grades in other area?
My son lives in Des Moines and in IA the Mid grade is cheaper than Reg grade. Most of the plains states are that way.
They've accomplished what they wanted to do, make us HAPPY to be paying less than $2.00/gallon.
The spread here in NW Indiana is still 10 and 20 over regular. Funny you should mention that, I was just thinking about it the other day when I was staring at a gas station sign waiting for a traffic light. If there was a real cost difference to the refinery between grades, don't you think it would be a percentage and not just a flat 10 cents? Hmmmmm.
Jerry
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The spread here in NW Indiana is still 10 and 20 over regular. Funny you should mention that, I was just thinking about it the other day when I was staring at a gas station sign waiting for a traffic light. If there was a real cost difference to the refinery between grades, don't you think it would be a percentage and not just a flat 10 cents? Hmmmmm.
Jerry
10 cents a gallon for 2 point octane boost maybe ?
B B
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Chip
I have this picture in my mind of you going to a gas station and dickering with the poor slob behind the counter over the price. " $4 a gallon , Hell no, I'll give you $3.50 and that's it " When you die at 100 or however long you live, I expect you'll dicker with St. Peter for an upgrade ;D ;D ;D
B B
Your right Brian
I expect you'll dicker with St. Peter for an upgrade
Yup! It will go like this.
"Over in my Castle I want three of those new Screaming Eagle Road Glides, yes three, one for me, one for Nancy and and a orange and black one for my buddy BB!"
:2vrolijk_21:
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Your right Brian
Yup! It will go like this.
"Over in my Castle I want three of those new Screaming Eagle Road Glides, yes three, one for me, one for Nancy and and a orange and black one for my buddy BB!"
:2vrolijk_21:
You only have one friend?? :nixweiss: just asking :nixweiss:
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You only have one friend?? :nixweiss: just asking :nixweiss:
Hey Scott, get your own sugardaddy, Chip's taken :)
B B
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You only have one friend?? :nixweiss: just asking :nixweiss:
Hey Scott, get your own sugardaddy, Chip's taken :)
B B
Scott it would appear that way. :nixweiss: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
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Hey Scott, get your own sugardaddy, Chip's taken :)
B B
:D ;D :) :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: har. spyder
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During higher than usual travel times (summer, Thangsgiving, Christmas) gas usually goes up in price?
Will gas increase in price this week, as usual?
Answers can include:
yes
no
maybe
I don't know
harrumph
or........
still laughing about me being the only HD dealer in heaven, per my agreement with St. Peter ;)
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I got lost in San Diego County yesterday and went through a little town and the the gas was 1.69 a gallon...twilight zone ?? ??? Doc
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I got lost in San Diego County yesterday and went through a little town and the the gas was 1.69 a gallon...twilight zone ?? ??? Doc
GPD
Did you see any Boss 302 Mustangs, 69 Z-28's or hemi Cuda's, , , , now that would be the "Twilight Zone"?
:2vrolijk_21:
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GPD
Did you see any Boss 302 Mustangs, 69 Z-28's or hemi Cuda's, , , , now that would be the "Twilight Zone"?
:2vrolijk_21:
:o Uh, how'd you know that. By the time I told my riding buddy what I saw, gas was back up to 2.09 again. Doc
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$1.57 per gallon here and still dropping! Thanksgiving week!! who would have thought?!!
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$1.57 per gallon here and still dropping! Thanksgiving week!! who would have thought?!!
Not me! It's a over a $1 less per gal than a year ago but we are still around $2.40/gal. I guess the shieks are settling on brass toilets instead of gold now.
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$1.69 per gallon fer reg'lar yesstiddy...if trends continue, will they be paying us to use gas? Anyways, I am glad to see it's more reasonable, especially his time of year!
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Oil projected to fall to $25 a barrel!
(http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aIUEV3pCOJeo&refer=worldwide)
I expect Congress to call oil execs in for another inane grilling to find out why the price has dropped so fast & what they are going to do about it - or not.
Will this projection be as accurate as the $200 per barrel projections were just a few months ago by the oil geniuses? :nixweiss:
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An Executive from the oil industry predicted gas would reach $1.00/ gallon
deflation is here and alive..
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An Executive from the oil industry predicted gas would reach $1.00/ gallon
deflation is here and alive..
.....and 'inflation' will surely follow. :'( aaaargh. spyder
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Oil projected to fall to $25 a barrel!
(http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aIUEV3pCOJeo&refer=worldwide)
I expect Congress to call oil execs in for another inane grilling to find out why the price has dropped so fast & what they are going to do about it - or not.
Will this projection be as accurate as the $200 per barrel projections were just a few months ago by the oil geniuses? :nixweiss:
I will consult with my broken clock which is usually right twice every day about oil futures before I close my short position in oih today.....
Unless one of those pesky time/space continuum anomalies pops up then it can be right more than twice or entirely wrong but you can't tell.....I hate when that happens...
Where is my flux capacitor anyway???
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The irony, is that with the gas prices so low, and the states all hurting financially, the legislators are looking at a hefty tax increase on gas.
Any other states seeing this trend?
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Taxachusetts leads the way!
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I would react badly if one of my Legislators tried to increase revenues on fuel at this time. Any tax increases at this time would would get my verbose disapproval. All of our legislators need to know that we did did not create this mess and cannot tax us to death to get us out. They need to make cuts from the budgets plain and simple.
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It was 1.40 in Jacksboro Tenn on Wednesday!
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.....and 'inflation' will surely follow. :'( aaaargh. spyder
It's already here in guns, ammo, reloading supplies and survival gear as a result of the .... er, ummm ...... "change" in views :2vrolijk_21:
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I will consult with my broken clock which is usually right twice every day about oil futures before I close my short position in oih today.....
Unless one of those pesky time/space continuum anomalies pops up then it can be right more than twice or entirely wrong but you can't tell.....I hate when that happens...
Where is my flux capacitor anyway???
If the energy geniuses of Congress would call a special committee meeting and yell "harrumph" at oil execs like they did last time, the results would be....... the media & media watchers would enjoy the "harrumphing" 'cept for those of us who enjoy it for the other reason. Windfall profits have fallen from the ..... wind?
I found this used flux cap.:
(http://www.thegreenhead.com/imgs/back-to-the-future-flux-capacitor-replica-3.jpg)
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arco $1.49 a gallon this morning
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Thanks you Squire Iski!
It is entirely too nice today down here in Gawd's waiting room, I feel the visual problem developed last week returning.
The Square Grouper is calling me...
http://www.squaregrouper.net/
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I been promoted - thanks Sir Miker.
Have not been there - yet.
Today in the hinterlands it will be in the mid 60's but am stuck mining salt semi-diligently.
(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u186/heatherrocks77/Funny.jpg)
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$1.46 at my favorite Arco today. Supper is now $1.86.
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$1.46 at my favorite Arco today. Supper is now $1.86.
Hey Gordy, gas is cheap and you get supper for under 2 bucks too, sweet :2vrolijk_21: :huepfenlol2:
All kidding aside, it is unbelievable how quickly gas has dropped, next week Congress will call a Bailout for the Oil Companies.
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Hey Gordy, gas is cheap and you get supper for under 2 bucks too, sweet :2vrolijk_21: :huepfenlol2:
All kidding aside, it is unbelievable how quickly gas has dropped, next week Congress will call a Bailout for the Oil Companies.
It is unbelievable to say the least. I think of all the people that bailed (sold) their SUV's when gas went up and I'm glad I just cut back on my driving and held on to mine. I bet some of those that had vehicles paid for, took a beating on trading/selling them, and now have a monthly payment for a smaller vehicle aren't to happy right now.
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
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The irony, is that with the gas prices so low, and the states all hurting financially, the legislators are looking at a hefty tax increase on gas.
Any other states seeing this trend?
The governor of SD is also looking at more road tax on gas because we don't have the money to fix our roads/bridges.
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It is unbelievable to say the least. I think of all the people that bailed (sold) their SUV's when gas went up and I'm glad I just cut back on my driving and held on to mine. I bet some of those that had vehicles paid for, took a beating on trading/selling them, and now have a monthly payment for a smaller vehicle aren't to happy right now.
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
I think you're right Gary.
Happens each time we have the climb and drop.
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Diesel is $2.29 here..... I'm driving the 4X4 diesel again :bananarock: :pepper: :jalapeno:
(don't tell anyone... don't want the greenies coming after me ;))
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Diesel is $2.29 here..... I'm driving the 4X4 diesel again :bananarock: :pepper: :jalapeno:
(don't tell anyone... don't want the greenies coming after me ;))
Hey, it's clean diesel now :2vrolijk_21:
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Hey, it's clean diesel now :2vrolijk_21:
Not for long.... as soon as Banks makes available a programmer that will reprogram so that stupid particulate filter can be removed, the new diesel trucks will be rocking again ;)
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It is unbelievable to say the least. I think of all the people that bailed (sold) their SUV's when gas went up and I'm glad I just cut back on my driving and held on to mine. I bet some of those that had vehicles paid for, took a beating on trading/selling them, and now have a monthly payment for a smaller vehicle aren't to happy right now.
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
I sold my F-150 100th Anniversary Silver/Black H-D Supercrew when gas hit $3/gallon on the way to $4. I was driving 350 miles a week, getting 13 miles per gallon with a vehicle that only used Premium grade gasoline.I had a payment of $640/month. I got nearly $4k OVER Blue Book for the truck at the time because they are very desireble models (even the 09's today are not discounted) I bought a Ranger extended cab with all the bells and whistles for a payment of $390/month with 0 cash down. The Ranger burns regular grade gas and averages 22 mpg.
NOW, had I known 14 months ago that I would be disabled today and driving only 50 miles per week AND, that premium grade gasoline would be $1.91 a gallon I would have kept the H-D truck.
Of course I'd also have bought Microsoft, Intell and Fidelity Magellan IPO's if I had known in advance what the future would be.
B B
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Bought regular unleaded at wal-mart tonight for $1.499 gal. Rumor on the news is that it could bust $1.00 by spring. What the heck is going on? Is nickel beer on the horizon?
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Bought regular unleaded at wal-mart tonight for $1.499 gal. Rumor on the news is that it could bust $1.00 by spring. What the heck is going on? Is nickel beer on the horizon?
I'm not holding out for the nickel beer.
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Bought regular unleaded at wal-mart tonight for $1.499 gal. Rumor on the news is that it could bust $1.00 by spring. What the heck is going on? Is nickel beer on the horizon?
What's going on? It's just one more bubble bursting, like the inflated prices on homes. BTW, wholesale gasoline was trading in the 90 cent range Friday, and as usual the OPEC folks were pumping way more oil than their recent agreement called for. Funny thing about crooks and con artists, you can't trust them to keep their word long enough for the ink to dry. There is even a rumor floating around that some oil producers are looking for extra tankers to use as storage until they can find someone to buy all the excess. I think you can safely assume that retail prices will continue to drop for awhile.
IMHO, this is the ideal time to phase in a higher motor fuel tax. We definitely need the funding for infrastructure repair and the jobs associated with that, but I also know enough about the typical American's nearsighted attitudes to realize if fuel prices stay low past the end of the year, all those conservation efforts will go out the window and we'll be back to dodging Hummers and 9 passenger SUV's (with no passengers) as they blow past at 20 over the limit.
Jerry
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I'm not holding out for the nickel beer.
I wouldn't either. Have you noticed how all those prices that spiked over the past 6 months "due to high fuel prices" haven't really gone back down much. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting on too many price cuts, but we should see improvement in the stock market as these companies start reporting big increases in profits.
Jerry
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I wouldn't either. Have you noticed how all those prices that spiked over the past 6 months "due to high fuel prices" haven't really gone back down much. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting on too many price cuts, but we should see improvement in the stock market as these companies start reporting big increases in profits.
Jerry
Don't see that happening for some time Jerry due to the world wide bubble bust. Obviously we're not the only ones to have been consuming more than we could afford. (Maybe we took it to the most extreme) spyder
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What's going on? It's just one more bubble bursting, like the inflated prices on homes. BTW, wholesale gasoline was trading in the 90 cent range Friday, and as usual the OPEC folks were pumping way more oil than their recent agreement called for. Funny thing about crooks and con artists, you can't trust them to keep their word long enough for the ink to dry. There is even a rumor floating around that some oil producers are looking for extra tankers to use as storage until they can find someone to buy all the excess. I think you can safely assume that retail prices will continue to drop for awhile.
IMHO, this is the ideal time to phase in a higher motor fuel tax. We definitely need the funding for infrastructure repair and the jobs associated with that, but I also know enough about the typical American's nearsighted attitudes to realize if fuel prices stay low past the end of the year, all those conservation efforts will go out the window and we'll be back to dodging Hummers and 9 passenger SUV's (with no passengers) as they blow past at 20 over the limit.
Jerry
A lot of what is going on is the USA cut back on fuel usage. We are also in a economic down turn so both consumers and industry are using less fuel.
China who was growing in fuel usage by leaps and bounds the past few years is in a much worse down turn than we are.
Basicall the whole world cut back on fuel usage, so supply stayed the same world wide, but demand fell world wide.
Naw, I will not get rid of the 30 mpg Impala I bought when diesel was going thru the roof. I am starting to like the car. I did not get rid of my 06 Crew cab dually diesel, I just quit using it as a daily driver. I prefere the big truck but continue to drive the car unless I need the truck.
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I kept my paid off 98 Chevy Tahoe with 135k miles. It doesnt get the best gas mileage but it is paid for and since I dont have a heavy daily commute requirement (work out of the home office), that made sense to me.
All bets are off if I get laid off (knock on wood) and have to find work that involves commuting but we have a good bus system.
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I wouldn't either. Have you noticed how all those prices that spiked over the past 6 months "due to high fuel prices" haven't really gone back down much. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting on too many price cuts, but we should see improvement in the stock market as these companies start reporting big increases in profits.
Jerry
Hops have rised dramatically too. People are favoring them to rice I guess :nixweiss:
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I wouldn't either. Have you noticed how all those prices that spiked over the past 6 months "due to high fuel prices" haven't really gone back down much. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting on too many price cuts, but we should see improvement in the stock market as these companies start reporting big increases in profits.
Jerry
Actually, I've seen a couple of my accounts drop the "fuel surcharge"
B B
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My wife's niece's husband (Derek) has worked for a exploration/drilling company since his return from Iraq (Marine). He got news yesterday that his company is laying off 60% of their work force at the end of next week -- really rotten news to get just weeks before Christmas. The company has been drilling like crazy and then capping the wells.
I guess the company is going to set on the wells and wait for the price of oil to come back up :nixweiss:
Eric is a smart kid and will land on his feet. He will most likely wind up working for one of the contractors at Tinker AFB making about half the $$$... for a while anyway.
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:orange: Paid $1.99 per gallon for 91 octane in Central California. Can't remember the last time it was that cheap! :orange:
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$2.19 Diesel here in Oklahoma! :bananarock:
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Pilot Travel Center $1.45 per gallon yesterday for regular. Still coming down!!!!!
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My wife's niece's husband (Derek) has worked for a exploration/drilling company since his return from Iraq (Marine). He got news yesterday that his company is laying off 60% of their work force at the end of next week -- really rotten news to get just weeks before Christmas. The company has been drilling like crazy and then capping the wells.
I guess the company is going to set on the wells and wait for the price of oil to come back up :nixweiss:
Eric is a smart kid and will land on his feet. He will most likely wind up working for one of the contractors at Tinker AFB making about half the $$$... for a while anyway.
Was he working the the land drilling sector?
I have yet to notice a drop in the Deep Water off shore sector.
I feel it may be coming though. We are drilling in 4500 feet of water right now, and it takes 42 a barrel to break even according to the oil company my company is drilling for.
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Drove to Florida and back yesterday, paid $1.48 (Memphis), $1.72 (Birmingham), $1.79 (Destin) and $1.64 (Georgianna).
Hows that for consistency? :nixweiss:
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Someone on the news yesterday said it will go 1.00 a gallon in 09. Folks are driving less and they predict its going to stay that way. I guess that means the taxes are going to go up, so then people will buy less stuff...and the taxes will go up. So :drink: Doc
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Someone on the news yesterday said it will go 1.00 a gallon in 09. Folks are driving less and they predict its going to stay that way. I guess that means the taxes are going to go up, so then people will buy less stuff...and the taxes will go up. So :drink: Doc
Any time taxes are going up it means the government wishes to waste our money inefficiently instead of letting us waste it stupidly as we see fit. Government is insidious - consumption on gas drops, fuel taxe revenues drop, so to offset, they wish to RAISE taxes. Idiotic. Government should decrease since their revenues have decreased. With gas taxes of $.40 a gollon would be real interesting to see $1 gas - not predicting that one but I have been wrong a lot.
People are not buying as much so sales tax revenues will also drop. Company profits will as well. Might see deflation for a while instead of inflation & that is a whole different set of marbles. :drink: Mike
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I feel finacially defalted...
The end result may be self deflation, which my doctor has been after me for years to do...
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My ego has been deflated & I lost my id on a weekend bender in college.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/feedarticle/8164687
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Lowest around here $1.43
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Diesel now at about $1.50 a litre. Gas at $1.32 litre.
US Gallon equivalent = $5.70 & $5.00 respectively.
UK tax element = $4.56 & $4.00 respectively.
The government lets the oil companies play with the rest.
:nixweiss:
Nige
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Diesel now at about $1.50 a litre. Gas at $1.32 litre.
US Gallon equivalent = $5.70 & $5.00 respectively.
UK tax element = $4.56 & $4.00 respectively.
The government lets the oil companies play with the rest.
:nixweiss:
Nige
Nige,
The tax you are paying is higher than our total price :o
Here in Oklahoma, we are paying around $1.50 for gasoline and I saw diesel for $2.10 a gallon last evening. Oklahoma is not too bad on the fuel taxes.
Some of the other states that have a bunch of "tree-huggers" politicians are paying much more for fuel than we are here in Oklahoma due to higher fuel taxes.
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Here in Michigan it went from a high of $4.49 per gallon to $1.49. What a swing!
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Houston / back down to 1.35 / gallon for regular.
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Where you at in Michigan? It is $1.65 here in Muskegon. West side of the state.
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We've seen prices in the $1.2? in our area, but in OH last weekend it seemed to be ranging in the $1.5? range.
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We've seen prices in the $1.2? in our area, but in OH last weekend it seemed to be ranging in the $1.5? range.
Prices rising up in the Sacto area, from a low of $1.45 before Xmas to $1.85 today.
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I wonder if this was not some sort of plan to lower the gas prices so that everyone would get out an vote. Then they decided to keep it around the same price for the Christmas season so that people would buy more goods with their now extra money. Now I wonder if it is going to go right back up to where it was before.
Topper
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I wonder if this was not some sort of plan to lower the gas prices so that everyone would get out an vote. Then they decided to keep it around the same price for the Christmas season so that people would buy more goods with their now extra money. Now I wonder if it is going to go right back up to where it was before.
Topper
:nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss:
I wouldn't go out and buy a new suburban ;)
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Already have an F-250 Crew. GAS
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Already have an F-250 Crew. GAS
Yep, I have the Dodge Cummins version with 4WD and I ain't giving it up. Diesel is down to $1.99 here. I actually filled the truck up last Friday for $60... much better than $130 back in August.
Just saying.... I wouldn't buy a gas-hog if you don't really need one. The first time a hurricane hits the gulf or a refinery explodes, the oil companies will have reason to jack fuel prices again.
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Wow diesel here is $2.65 ish. I think you are right and they agreed to cut back on production of oil too. I am happy with the break in the prices but sure with it would stay around $1.50. I think our economy would be better off. We are an oil driven nation and if we can't keep the prices around $1.50 I think it will take longer to pull out of this hard time.
Topper
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Regular gas down to 1.30 in southern Jersey. I too refuse to give up my gas hog trucks. I Need more power.
Thats why I spend every available minute in the saddle of one of my scoots. 40 vs 9 MPG is a no brainer. All my estimating, meetings or light pickups were done with the bikes.
Even though my Landscape company was spending 2K weekly in fuel alone. My personal savings in fuel consumption from the truck to the bike netted me my SEFB.
Or so I told the Mrs.... That's my story and I'm sticking with it...........
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Wow that is a good one. I wonder if I could use that one someday. :huepfenlol2:
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Wow that is a good one. I wonder if I could use that one someday. :huepfenlol2:
why not? It's 'tried & proven' right here on THE SITE. ;D har! spyder
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:ROFLOL:
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Gas just jumped up from $1.65 to $1.89 Come on It's a holiday. I thought the prices went up when they were trading not on Holidays and the weekends. This is such a joke!
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Gas just jumped up from $1.65 to $1.89 Come on It's SUNDAY. I thought the prices went up when they were trading not on Holidays and the weekends. This is such a joke!
:nixweiss: Rough night?
Same story here in NW Indiana. Went to bed with gas averaging $1.65 - $1.69, woke up with it at $1.89 pretty much across the area. Must have something to do with starting a new year, or perhaps the wholesaler's and retailer's are trying to pay for their New Year's parties.
Jerry
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We haven't seen the reduction in prices over here that you guys have. Since the highs of last year the prices have only fallen by 25%. This is mainly down to our wonderful tax system on fuel which takes the equivalent of $4.10 on every gallon irrespective of the pump price.
So if I now fill my car with 16 US Gallons of gas it costs me around $86.00 at the pump and around $63.00 of that goes straight to the good old British government.
That's what makes Britain great !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nige
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We haven't seen the reduction in prices over here that you guys have. Since the highs of last year the prices have only fallen by 25%. This is mainly down to our wonderful tax system on fuel which takes the equivalent of $4.10 on every gallon irrespective of the pump price.
So if I now fill my car with 16 US Gallons of gas it costs me around $86.00 at the pump and around $63.00 of that goes straight to the good old British government.
That's what makes Britain great !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nige
Some here in the US are considering a rising tax scenario currently, Nige. It would temporarily limit consumption and pose a true hardship on many who depend on petroleum to get where they are going, since mass transit here is VERY limited except in large metro areas.
I bet our govt. could effectively waste these "extra" gas tax dollars as effectively as your govt. wastes yours, but in truth I hope we do not get to find out anytime soon.
If we would drill a few thousand wells here in the good ol' USA each month (easily done except for govt. interference) , some of the pricing sting could be eliminated.
Mike
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We haven't seen the reduction in prices over here that you guys have. Since the highs of last year the prices have only fallen by 25%. This is mainly down to our wonderful tax system on fuel which takes the equivalent of $4.10 on every gallon irrespective of the pump price.
So if I now fill my car with 16 US Gallons of gas it costs me around $86.00 at the pump and around $63.00 of that goes straight to the good old British government.
That's what makes Britain great !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nige
[\sarcasm on]But don't you have a wicked awesome health care system that all that money is supporting?[\sarcasm off]
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Was up to $1.99 on Friday now down to $1.93 in MI
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So if I now fill my car with 16 US Gallons of gas it costs me around $86.00 at the pump and around $63.00 of that goes straight to the good old British government.
That's what makes Britain great !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nige
Now I know why our fore fathers left. Problem is, where do we go from here????
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Now I know why our fore fathers left. Problem is, where do we go from here????
Australia? :nixweiss: spyder
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[\sarcasm on]But don't you have a wicked awesome health care system that all that money is supporting?[\sarcasm off]
Yes we do Sean but I don't think the money we pay in fuel taxes go toward that.
The health care system is good, of that there is no doubt. We pay for all of it in different ways though. If you earned $100,000 over here you would only see about $60,000 in your pay packet after taxes. We pay NHI (National Health Insurance) direct from our wages and the more you earn the more you pay. On an average salary of $35,000 per year it would be about $4,600 per year. I guess you could buy a reasonable Health Insurance policy for that over there.
Nige
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Regular unleaded $ 1.63 gal. today!
Mike
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$1.89 today in MI
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It's up to a $1.99 at my favorite ARCO in Roseville. Just to clarify, i don't burn ARCO gas in my motorcycle. My vehicles get the crap gas, my motorcycle gets Premium Union or Shell and that price is at $2.38 here in Sacto area
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$1.95 regular here in NW Indiana. Really strange how the price went up $0.40 at the same time that crude, gasoline, and distillates inventories all increased significantly. So much for supply and demand determining prices (which I haven't believed in a long time, btw). I was glad to see Sunday night that 60 Minutes agreed with my earlier statements in this thread about the real cause of the price runup last year. For those who didn't see the report, they also concluded after their investigation that the price gouging was not related to supply and demand, but in fact speculation by hedge funds, pension funds, and various others in the futures markets. Really nice, screw up the financial markets, then move on and help trigger a recession by screwing up the energy markets. But of course, no regulation is needed, as the "free markets" know best. BS!
Jerry
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$1.69 here today in SE PA 87 Octane
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Do you see whats happening here? The gas prices are creeping up just in time for me to pull my big trailer to Daytona. (9 miles per gallon.) Yee Ha!
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Do you see whats happening here? The gas prices are creeping up just in time for me to pull my big trailer to Daytona. (9 miles per gallon.) Yee Ha!
The price here in Oklahoma jumped about .30 a week or so ago to about $1.67. Now it has dropped back down to about $1.55 :nixweiss:
My guess is that we will see gas prices creep back up as warm weather approaches. The oil companies will want to cash in during the summer months.
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Watched a show the other day, the blame the past jump in gas prices on speculators and large investment firms working their way around the sparse regulations. Gas stockpiles were going up, but so were the prices. Enron was big into this and the guys working there went to other investment firms after their demise.
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This is a joke. I was talking to my dad who has coffee every morning with his buddies. One of them charts gas and oil prices and he said that the price of gas today should be around $1.45 a gal. when you look at the price per barrel of oil.
A staion by my house is at $1.89 and there is one by my work and their price is $1.80. I have never seen that much difference. It almost seems like they don't know what to charge anymore.
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As long as viable energy sources that make sense - nuclear, coal, and petroleum - are relegated to the control of USA global warming bogeymen believers and anti-capitalists, the price manipulation of segments of the energy price structures are easier for those speculators who wish to cash in. Investments in alternatives - including solar and wind and especially ethanol - will not add enough energy to the mix to prevent this in the foreseeable future.
In other words, unless we produce more energy that is cost efficient HERE, we rely on other countries and OPEC. Such reliance has prove to be a foolish path in the past. The current administration appears to demonize coal and appears unwilling to allow drilling for oil where vast supplies exist or build nuke plants. GM, Ford, & Chrysler may be required to place large cloth sails on the top of their new fuel efficient land schooners soon, though. HD is considering rubber band technology according to unfounded internet rumors. Bike will self wind but power output is not even.... across the band.
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This is a joke. I was talking to my dad who has coffee every morning with his buddies. One of them charts gas and oitl prices and he said that the price of gas today should be around $1.45 a gal. when you look at the price per barrel of oil.
A staion by my house is at $1.89 and there is one by my work and their price is $1.80. I have never seen that much difference. It almost seems like they don't know what to charge anymore.
Costco at $1.89 last Sunday
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Gas here in New Orleans went from a low of $1.31 to yesterday its about 1.59.
Although there can be a difference of .30 within 5 miles!
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A lot of the country's in a deep freeze. Refineries ramp up their output of home heating oil (#2) and cut back on gasoline production. The price of gas goes up. So even though we don't need heating oil here in SoCal, we pay for it indirectly. I will simply say You're Welcome to all you snowbirds :P
B B
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BB, we we're talking about this the other day. No question that the home heating oil market buoys the prices in the winter.
Along of course with the usual specualtors that are always pushing the envelope, maybe there are fewer players now, we can always hope. :nixweiss:
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60 Minutes on oil prices.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/01/08/60minutes/main4707770.shtml
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BB, we we're talking about this the other day. No question that the home heating oil market buoys the prices in the winter.
Along of course with the usual specualtors that are always pushing the envelope, maybe there are fewer players now, we can always hope. :nixweiss:
We can only hope, but I'm not encouraged after speaking with a friend over the weekend who is in management at one of the "big 3" in the country. He reported during our conversation that less than 30% of the future oil contracts were held by the majors. The remainder held and traded by third party/speculators. They're as pissed as everyone else about the false influence on the crude prices.
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That's right. We are 70% DEPENDENT on foreign oil. And these foreigners are not our friends.
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That's right. We are 70% DEPENDENT on foreign oil. And these foreigners are not our friends.
What about North Dakota ?
B B
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What about North Dakota ?
B B
They're our friends.
:devil:
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Fargo was a funny movie, & they appeared to be friendly, for the most part.
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the gas prices bottomed out last month but have started creeping back up again. :nervous:
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Oil fell $2 to below $42 a barrel on Friday as gloomy economic data gave fresh signs of the depth of the recession which has eroded oil consumption.
British data confirmed the economy had gone into recession for the first time since 1991, and Spanish unemployment surged to a nine-year high.
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You're Welcome to all you snowbirds
B B
We sure have a bunch of them around here this winter. The local campgounds and businesses really really appreciate their business. Hey I thought I was going to have to keep your memory alive like this, welcome back. ;D Doc
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We sure have a bunch of them around here this winter. The local campgounds and businesses really really appreciate their business. Hey I thought I was going to have to keep your memory alive like this, welcome back. ;D Doc
Unfortunately that was written prior to his departure Doc :-\
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Unfortunately that was written prior to his departure Doc :-\
Thanks for the heads up RJ, I thought the guest status declared his new presence. Uh, by the way gas prices are up...we are not going to hijack this thread. ;) Doc
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Thanks for the heads up RJ, I thought the guest status declared his new presence. Uh, by the way gas prices are up...we are not going to hijack this thread. ;) Doc
With oil below $42 I would like to see some stability i gas prices. Ours are up here from a low in the $1.59 range to around $2.09.
I can live with a $2 range but let's not return to $4.
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With oil below $42 I would like to see some stability i gas prices. Ours are up here from a low in the $1.59 range to around $2.09.
I can live with a $2 range but let's not return to $4.
If we can keep the price of oil down, Iran will be in big trouble. I'll do my part by riding my bike more. :2vrolijk_21: Doc
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With oil below $42 I would like to see some stability i gas prices. Ours are up here from a low in the $1.59 range to around $2.09.
I can live with a $2 range but let's not return to $4.
The thing is that even at $42.00 a barrel it should be around $1.50 a gal. Remember that when we were paying $4.00+ a gal. Price per barrel was over $150.00. Gas here today is $1.81 a gal on the west side of Michigan. I think they are raising the price to help cover their losses etc...